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I kissed a woman for the first time in

I kissed a woman for the first time in the early 90s it happened in the parking

the early 90s it happened in the parking

the early 90s it happened in the parking lot of a gay bar she was a straight girl

lot of a gay bar she was a straight girl

lot of a gay bar she was a straight girl in the mood to party and she was dressed

in the mood to party and she was dressed

in the mood to party and she was dressed like one in capri pants fuchsia flats on

like one in capri pants fuchsia flats on

like one in capri pants fuchsia flats on a cropped sweater her eyes were the same

a cropped sweater her eyes were the same

a cropped sweater her eyes were the same walnut brown as the spiral curls that

walnut brown as the spiral curls that

walnut brown as the spiral curls that fell to her waist she was 21

fell to her waist she was 21

fell to her waist she was 21 her name was Karen the kiss was her idea

her name was Karen the kiss was her idea

her name was Karen the kiss was her idea and it took me by surprise but I’ve

and it took me by surprise but I’ve

and it took me by surprise but I’ve longed a dream to this moment

longed a dream to this moment

longed a dream to this moment so I praised my good luck and moved my

so I praised my good luck and moved my

so I praised my good luck and moved my curious hands to her waist I’d expected

curious hands to her waist I’d expected

curious hands to her waist I’d expected a woman to feel soft and small and she

a woman to feel soft and small and she

a woman to feel soft and small and she did I’d expected to enjoy the silkiness

did I’d expected to enjoy the silkiness

did I’d expected to enjoy the silkiness of her hair but I was surprised to be

of her hair but I was surprised to be

of her hair but I was surprised to be intrigued by the contour of her lower

intrigued by the contour of her lower

intrigued by the contour of her lower back under the fabric of her short

back under the fabric of her short

back under the fabric of her short blouse my finger slipped into the

blouse my finger slipped into the

blouse my finger slipped into the unexpectedly deep groove running the

unexpectedly deep groove running the

unexpectedly deep groove running the length of her spine her torso felt

length of her spine her torso felt

length of her spine her torso felt nothing like a man’s it wasn’t simply a

nothing like a man’s it wasn’t simply a

nothing like a man’s it wasn’t simply a smaller one but one ordered by foreign

smaller one but one ordered by foreign

smaller one but one ordered by foreign rules by the trigonometry that governs

rules by the trigonometry that governs

rules by the trigonometry that governs the proportions of a woman I imagined da

the proportions of a woman I imagined da

the proportions of a woman I imagined da Vinci’s Anatomy diagrams all circles and

Vinci’s Anatomy diagrams all circles and

Vinci’s Anatomy diagrams all circles and angles and lines as I followed the

angles and lines as I followed the

angles and lines as I followed the dimples where her back man her bottom

dimples where her back man her bottom

dimples where her back man her bottom traced the steady widening of her hips

traced the steady widening of her hips

traced the steady widening of her hips my encounter with Karen was brief there

my encounter with Karen was brief there

my encounter with Karen was brief there would be other women and more exciting

would be other women and more exciting

would be other women and more exciting moments but I’d remember the shape of

moments but I’d remember the shape of

moments but I’d remember the shape of Karen’s back more vividly than many of

Karen’s back more vividly than many of

Karen’s back more vividly than many of these its lucky you’re attracted to

these its lucky you’re attracted to

these its lucky you’re attracted to women friends often say but dear husband

women friends often say but dear husband

women friends often say but dear husband here in our bed tonight you need for me

here in our bed tonight you need for me

here in our bed tonight you need for me to not know the touch of a woman I come

to not know the touch of a woman I come

to not know the touch of a woman I come to you with my eyes open still in love

to you with my eyes open still in love

to you with my eyes open still in love with you ready to touch and appreciate

with you ready to touch and appreciate

with you ready to touch and appreciate every inch of your body but that makes

every inch of your body but that makes

every inch of your body but that makes you uncomfortable now you want me to see

you uncomfortable now you want me to see

you uncomfortable now you want me to see you only in candlelight and to squint to

you only in candlelight and to squint to

you only in candlelight and to squint to focus on your eyeliner and to overlook

focus on your eyeliner and to overlook

focus on your eyeliner and to overlook your receding hairline to pull your long

your receding hairline to pull your long

your receding hairline to pull your long hair in front of your chest and avert my

hair in front of your chest and avert my

hair in front of your chest and avert my eyes from its flatness you want me to

eyes from its flatness you want me to

eyes from its flatness you want me to map woman on to you to not just say but

map woman on to you to not just say but

map woman on to you to not just say but to believe as though I am not familiar

to believe as though I am not familiar

to believe as though I am not familiar with the curve of a woman’s back I try

with the curve of a woman’s back I try

with the curve of a woman’s back I try to concentrate but forbidden thoughts

to concentrate but forbidden thoughts

to concentrate but forbidden thoughts surface that a woman is a thing and not

surface that a woman is a thing and not

surface that a woman is a thing and not an absence of a thing that a woman is a

an absence of a thing that a woman is a

an absence of a thing that a woman is a woman in every cell of her body

woman in every cell of her body

woman in every cell of her body too complex to fashion wholly from

too complex to fashion wholly from

too complex to fashion wholly from something else more than hair removal

something else more than hair removal

something else more than hair removal and cosmetics and lace that you are

and cosmetics and lace that you are

and cosmetics and lace that you are already perfect and need not hide from

already perfect and need not hide from

already perfect and need not hide from me I suppress these thoughts redouble my

me I suppress these thoughts redouble my

me I suppress these thoughts redouble my efforts but the illusion is tenuous and

efforts but the illusion is tenuous and

efforts but the illusion is tenuous and easily broken you move or face the light

easily broken you move or face the light

easily broken you move or face the light and I see you so I do the unthinkable I

and I see you so I do the unthinkable I

and I see you so I do the unthinkable I go ahead and love the you I’m not

go ahead and love the you I’m not

go ahead and love the you I’m not supposed to love the one I’ve always

supposed to love the one I’ve always

supposed to love the one I’ve always loved

loved

loved I love the remaining stubble you’re

I love the remaining stubble you’re

I love the remaining stubble you’re paying a laser salon to remove I love

paying a laser salon to remove I love

paying a laser salon to remove I love the freckles you cover with foundation

the freckles you cover with foundation

the freckles you cover with foundation the jawline you stroke disapprovingly

the jawline you stroke disapprovingly

the jawline you stroke disapprovingly when you look in the mirror I close my

when you look in the mirror I close my

when you look in the mirror I close my eyes and let my hands find the truth you

eyes and let my hands find the truth you

eyes and let my hands find the truth you work so hard to conceal but you forbid

work so hard to conceal but you forbid

work so hard to conceal but you forbid this kind of love

this kind of love

this kind of love so I hide what I’m doing it wasn’t so

so I hide what I’m doing it wasn’t so

so I hide what I’m doing it wasn’t so long ago that this bed saw

long ago that this bed saw

long ago that this bed saw laughter play in passion but these have

laughter play in passion but these have

laughter play in passion but these have been displaced by your one and only

been displaced by your one and only

been displaced by your one and only preoccupation now there is work to do

preoccupation now there is work to do

preoccupation now there is work to do there are roles to play I’m no longer

there are roles to play I’m no longer

there are roles to play I’m no longer allowed to drink you in to just feel

allowed to drink you in to just feel

allowed to drink you in to just feel instead I perform for you flatter you

instead I perform for you flatter you

instead I perform for you flatter you censor myself and pretend I’ve learned

censor myself and pretend I’ve learned

censor myself and pretend I’ve learned that you can’t be here for me anymore

that you can’t be here for me anymore

that you can’t be here for me anymore then it’s my job to work around that but

then it’s my job to work around that but

then it’s my job to work around that but what happens when I can no longer be

what happens when I can no longer be

what happens when I can no longer be here for you I haven’t adjusted to being

here for you I haven’t adjusted to being

here for you I haven’t adjusted to being your actress I cling instead to a desire

your actress I cling instead to a desire

your actress I cling instead to a desire to just be your lover its lucky you’re

to just be your lover its lucky you’re

to just be your lover its lucky you’re attracted to women a friend said to me

attracted to women a friend said to me

attracted to women a friend said to me over coffee last week since your husband

over coffee last week since your husband

over coffee last week since your husband is becoming your wife it’s the

is becoming your wife it’s the

is becoming your wife it’s the conventional wisdom and it seemed true

conventional wisdom and it seemed true

conventional wisdom and it seemed true enough at the time you’ve said it

enough at the time you’ve said it

enough at the time you’ve said it yourself to your husband to me and to

yourself to your husband to me and to

yourself to your husband to me and to your support group and on your blog how

your support group and on your blog how

your support group and on your blog how lucky you are to have me a wife who is

lucky you are to have me a wife who is

lucky you are to have me a wife who is supportive adventurous a wife who

supportive adventurous a wife who

supportive adventurous a wife who encourages you to be yourself a wife

encourages you to be yourself a wife

encourages you to be yourself a wife who’s queer

you’ve just heard a condensed excerpt

you’ve just heard a condensed excerpt from my memoir in progress 18 months

from my memoir in progress 18 months

from my memoir in progress 18 months it’s the story of how a lovely 15-year

it’s the story of how a lovely 15-year

it’s the story of how a lovely 15-year relationship met its rapid demise when

relationship met its rapid demise when

relationship met its rapid demise when my husband whom all called Jaime came

my husband whom all called Jaime came

my husband whom all called Jaime came out as transgender on paper we

out as transgender on paper we

out as transgender on paper we represented the best case scenario for

represented the best case scenario for

represented the best case scenario for weathering this type of challenge I’m

weathering this type of challenge I’m

weathering this type of challenge I’m liberal open-minded adventurous and I

liberal open-minded adventurous and I

liberal open-minded adventurous and I was happy with Jaime and I was motivated

was happy with Jaime and I was motivated

was happy with Jaime and I was motivated to save my marriage

to save my marriage

to save my marriage but despite the tremendous amount of

but despite the tremendous amount of

but despite the tremendous amount of effort I put into supporting Jaime love

effort I put into supporting Jaime love

effort I put into supporting Jaime love was not enough within 18 short months my

was not enough within 18 short months my

was not enough within 18 short months my marriage failed spectacularly

marriage failed spectacularly

marriage failed spectacularly a quick word about pronouns it’s now

a quick word about pronouns it’s now

a quick word about pronouns it’s now commonly understood that journalists

commonly understood that journalists

commonly understood that journalists commit an unforgivable faux pas when

commit an unforgivable faux pas when

commit an unforgivable faux pas when they describe American trans woman

they describe American trans woman

they describe American trans woman Caitlyn Jenner as the athlete you may

Caitlyn Jenner as the athlete you may

Caitlyn Jenner as the athlete you may remember as Bruce we are to remember

remember as Bruce we are to remember

remember as Bruce we are to remember Caitlyn Jenner as a woman retro actively

Caitlyn Jenner as a woman retro actively

Caitlyn Jenner as a woman retro actively or to say that Kaelin grew up has a

or to say that Kaelin grew up has a

or to say that Kaelin grew up has a little girl and was the first woman to

little girl and was the first woman to

little girl and was the first woman to win a men’s Olympic decathlon so I’m

win a men’s Olympic decathlon so I’m

win a men’s Olympic decathlon so I’m expected to refer to Jamie with feminine

expected to refer to Jamie with feminine

expected to refer to Jamie with feminine pronouns and out of respect for Jamie I

pronouns and out of respect for Jamie I

pronouns and out of respect for Jamie I did that while we were together but I

did that while we were together but I

did that while we were together but I spent 15 years with Jamie a third of my

spent 15 years with Jamie a third of my

spent 15 years with Jamie a third of my life and I entered into that

life and I entered into that

life and I entered into that relationship as a heterosexual one with

relationship as a heterosexual one with

relationship as a heterosexual one with a man and that is how I experienced that

a man and that is how I experienced that

a man and that is how I experienced that relationship Jamie’s personal

relationship Jamie’s personal

relationship Jamie’s personal revelations didn’t reshape my experience

revelations didn’t reshape my experience

revelations didn’t reshape my experience of my past so I hope you will forgive me

of my past so I hope you will forgive me

of my past so I hope you will forgive me if I tell my story the way I remember it

if I tell my story the way I remember it

if I tell my story the way I remember it and not with revisionist language that

and not with revisionist language that

and not with revisionist language that would speak more to someone else’s truth

would speak more to someone else’s truth

would speak more to someone else’s truth than to my own a couple of things about

than to my own a couple of things about

than to my own a couple of things about my story one is that most people don’t

my story one is that most people don’t

my story one is that most people don’t want me to tell it and the second is

want me to tell it and the second is

want me to tell it and the second is that it contradicts the commonly popular

that it contradicts the commonly popular

that it contradicts the commonly popular narrative on what it’s like when someone

narrative on what it’s like when someone

narrative on what it’s like when someone comes out as transgender and these two

comes out as transgender and these two

comes out as transgender and these two things are related

things are related

things are related my story is inconvenient the popular

my story is inconvenient the popular

my story is inconvenient the popular narrative says that transgender people

narrative says that transgender people

narrative says that transgender people know their gender from

know their gender from

know their gender from young age it says they suffer for years

young age it says they suffer for years

young age it says they suffer for years and then as they come out as their true

and then as they come out as their true

and then as they come out as their true authentic self they become happy but

authentic self they become happy but

authentic self they become happy but this isn’t at all how my story goes we

this isn’t at all how my story goes we

this isn’t at all how my story goes we hear that males who want to transition

hear that males who want to transition

hear that males who want to transition to females have female brains but just

to females have female brains but just

to females have female brains but just before Jamie came out he worked in IT he

before Jamie came out he worked in IT he

before Jamie came out he worked in IT he enjoyed video games

enjoyed video games

enjoyed video games he loved backpacking and whisky Johnny

he loved backpacking and whisky Johnny

he loved backpacking and whisky Johnny Cash he even took pride in growing a

Cash he even took pride in growing a

Cash he even took pride in growing a large hipster beard the fact is gender

large hipster beard the fact is gender

large hipster beard the fact is gender identity didn’t cross Jamie’s mind until

identity didn’t cross Jamie’s mind until

identity didn’t cross Jamie’s mind until he was 40 years old and took an interest

he was 40 years old and took an interest

he was 40 years old and took an interest and what’s commonly called tranny porn

and what’s commonly called tranny porn

and what’s commonly called tranny porn even then Jamie cross dressed for the

even then Jamie cross dressed for the

even then Jamie cross dressed for the better part of a year and he called

better part of a year and he called

better part of a year and he called himself a gender non-conforming male he

himself a gender non-conforming male he

himself a gender non-conforming male he said he was happy being a man then Jamie

said he was happy being a man then Jamie

said he was happy being a man then Jamie started frequenting queer message boards

started frequenting queer message boards

started frequenting queer message boards where he saw transgender people lauded

where he saw transgender people lauded

where he saw transgender people lauded as beautiful and brave and he saw cross

as beautiful and brave and he saw cross

as beautiful and brave and he saw cross dressers disparaged as kinky or too

dressers disparaged as kinky or too

dressers disparaged as kinky or too cowardly to transition one by one we

cowardly to transition one by one we

cowardly to transition one by one we watched the people on those message

watched the people on those message

watched the people on those message boards who identified as cross dressers

boards who identified as cross dressers

boards who identified as cross dressers begin to come out as transgender and

begin to come out as transgender and

begin to come out as transgender and then Jamie became one of them and it was

then Jamie became one of them and it was

then Jamie became one of them and it was only after Jamie called himself

only after Jamie called himself

only after Jamie called himself transgender and pursued transition that

transgender and pursued transition that

transgender and pursued transition that he spiraled into depression he quit his

he spiraled into depression he quit his

he spiraled into depression he quit his job he stopped doing work around the

job he stopped doing work around the

job he stopped doing work around the house he even lost interest in hobbies

house he even lost interest in hobbies

house he even lost interest in hobbies we used to love to go camping but we

we used to love to go camping but we

we used to love to go camping but we couldn’t go anymore because it would

couldn’t go anymore because it would

couldn’t go anymore because it would interfere with his makeup routine

Jamie spiraled into depression he

Jamie spiraled into depression he started crying every night I had to

started crying every night I had to

started crying every night I had to console him through crying jags he spent

console him through crying jags he spent

console him through crying jags he spent every day ruminating about his

every day ruminating about his

every day ruminating about his appearance he started talking about

appearance he started talking about

appearance he started talking about suicide our sex life began to suffer and

suicide our sex life began to suffer and

suicide our sex life began to suffer and this was before Jamie went on hormones

this was before Jamie went on hormones

this was before Jamie went on hormones Jamie couldn’t reconcile hating his body

Jamie couldn’t reconcile hating his body

Jamie couldn’t reconcile hating his body with allowing me to love it and he

with allowing me to love it and he

with allowing me to love it and he couldn’t reconcile hating his body with

couldn’t reconcile hating his body with

couldn’t reconcile hating his body with using it for pleasure sex

using it for pleasure sex

using it for pleasure sex came a minefield of potential offenses

came a minefield of potential offenses

came a minefield of potential offenses and concerns and worse Jamie lost

and concerns and worse Jamie lost

and concerns and worse Jamie lost interest in ordinary sex and became

interest in ordinary sex and became

interest in ordinary sex and became interested only in sex games that made

interested only in sex games that made

interested only in sex games that made him feel submissive what was once a

him feel submissive what was once a

him feel submissive what was once a loving communion between the two of us

loving communion between the two of us

loving communion between the two of us had become a soulless negotiation and

had become a soulless negotiation and

had become a soulless negotiation and when I saw that my sex life would be

when I saw that my sex life would be

when I saw that my sex life would be sacrificed for Jamie’s priorities that

sacrificed for Jamie’s priorities that

sacrificed for Jamie’s priorities that felt like a betrayal of his commitment

felt like a betrayal of his commitment

felt like a betrayal of his commitment to our marriage

to our marriage

to our marriage and then our communication began to

and then our communication began to

and then our communication began to suffer Jamie found out that some of his

suffer Jamie found out that some of his

suffer Jamie found out that some of his views were offensive and out of favor so

views were offensive and out of favor so

views were offensive and out of favor so he denounced them and he even dropped

he denounced them and he even dropped

he denounced them and he even dropped friends whose views were not

friends whose views were not

friends whose views were not ideologically pure the truth became

ideologically pure the truth became

ideologically pure the truth became embarrassing to him it became

embarrassing to him it became

embarrassing to him it became unspeakable in our home

unspeakable in our home

unspeakable in our home Jamie stopped having frank conversations

Jamie stopped having frank conversations

Jamie stopped having frank conversations with me even about matters that deeply

with me even about matters that deeply

with me even about matters that deeply affected our lives like whether or not

affected our lives like whether or not

affected our lives like whether or not he planned to go on hormones so we

he planned to go on hormones so we

he planned to go on hormones so we weren’t having sex we weren’t talking we

weren’t having sex we weren’t talking we

weren’t having sex we weren’t talking we weren’t even enjoying hobbies together

weren’t even enjoying hobbies together

weren’t even enjoying hobbies together this was a barrage of assaults on our

this was a barrage of assaults on our

this was a barrage of assaults on our intimacy that would render our marriage

intimacy that would render our marriage

intimacy that would render our marriage unsalvageable my story surprises people

unsalvageable my story surprises people

unsalvageable my story surprises people why because the media likes to tell only

why because the media likes to tell only

why because the media likes to tell only one story when it comes to the

one story when it comes to the

one story when it comes to the transgender experience that’s the story

transgender experience that’s the story

transgender experience that’s the story of a particular happy healthy trans

of a particular happy healthy trans

of a particular happy healthy trans woman who were to understand does not

woman who were to understand does not

woman who were to understand does not merely identify as a woman but is

merely identify as a woman but is

merely identify as a woman but is literally a woman even biologically for

literally a woman even biologically for

literally a woman even biologically for her her life is held before transition

her her life is held before transition

her her life is held before transition but it is happy afterward for her

but it is happy afterward for her

but it is happy afterward for her transition is inevitable and it’s the

transition is inevitable and it’s the

transition is inevitable and it’s the only legitimate response but this story

only legitimate response but this story

only legitimate response but this story doesn’t fit Jamie at all the fact is

doesn’t fit Jamie at all the fact is

doesn’t fit Jamie at all the fact is people aren’t getting real about this

people aren’t getting real about this

people aren’t getting real about this issue as you might imagine my experience

issue as you might imagine my experience

issue as you might imagine my experience has put me in touch with a community of

has put me in touch with a community of

has put me in touch with a community of wives who are in a similar position to

wives who are in a similar position to

wives who are in a similar position to mine as well as parents and other allies

mine as well as parents and other allies

mine as well as parents and other allies and the recurring story I hear from them

and the recurring story I hear from them

and the recurring story I hear from them is that they do not feel that they’re

is that they do not feel that they’re

is that they do not feel that they’re allowed to tell the truth about what’s

allowed to tell the truth about what’s

allowed to tell the truth about what’s going on

going on

going on their homes and other voices are being

their homes and other voices are being

their homes and other voices are being lost too

just last year the Philadelphia trans

just last year the Philadelphia trans health conference had scheduled two

health conference had scheduled two

health conference had scheduled two people to speak about regretting their

people to speak about regretting their

people to speak about regretting their transitions they wanted to talk about

transitions they wanted to talk about

transitions they wanted to talk about alternatives to transition but they were

alternatives to transition but they were

alternatives to transition but they were cancelled when activists complained

cancelled when activists complained

cancelled when activists complained earlier last month protesters turned

earlier last month protesters turned

earlier last month protesters turned violent while trying to stop a debate in

violent while trying to stop a debate in

violent while trying to stop a debate in London called what is gender and baths

London called what is gender and baths

London called what is gender and baths Paul University blocked a psychotherapy

Paul University blocked a psychotherapy

Paul University blocked a psychotherapy students research into people who regret

students research into people who regret

students research into people who regret gender reassignment surgery calling it

gender reassignment surgery calling it

gender reassignment surgery calling it politically incorrect but if we want to

politically incorrect but if we want to

politically incorrect but if we want to get real and help this community we need

get real and help this community we need

get real and help this community we need to ask the hard questions is it possible

to ask the hard questions is it possible

to ask the hard questions is it possible that transition is not a panacea

that transition is not a panacea

that transition is not a panacea I watched Jamie’s condition worsen not

I watched Jamie’s condition worsen not

I watched Jamie’s condition worsen not improve as he pursued transition is it

improve as he pursued transition is it

improve as he pursued transition is it possible that activists are not telling

possible that activists are not telling

possible that activists are not telling the whole story but the story that best

the whole story but the story that best

the whole story but the story that best advances their political goals I went to

advances their political goals I went to

advances their political goals I went to a LGBT social at my university recently

a LGBT social at my university recently

a LGBT social at my university recently and I sat down at a table full of young

and I sat down at a table full of young

and I sat down at a table full of young people who took turns announcing their

people who took turns announcing their

people who took turns announcing their preferred pronouns fully 75% of the

preferred pronouns fully 75% of the

preferred pronouns fully 75% of the people at my table identified as

people at my table identified as

people at my table identified as transgender

transgender

transgender does it seem odd that I meant three

does it seem odd that I meant three

does it seem odd that I meant three times more trans people than all other

times more trans people than all other

times more trans people than all other representatives of the rainbow combined

representatives of the rainbow combined

representatives of the rainbow combined the number of Americans and people

the number of Americans and people

the number of Americans and people across the world who are identifying as

across the world who are identifying as

across the world who are identifying as transgender has increased sharply

transgender has increased sharply

transgender has increased sharply recently and the referrals of children

recently and the referrals of children

recently and the referrals of children to gender clinics has also increased by

to gender clinics has also increased by

to gender clinics has also increased by almost 900 percent by one estimate these

almost 900 percent by one estimate these

almost 900 percent by one estimate these clinics promote early and aggressive

clinics promote early and aggressive

clinics promote early and aggressive medical intervention for children who

medical intervention for children who

medical intervention for children who question their gender sometimes as young

question their gender sometimes as young

question their gender sometimes as young as four years old but where’s the

as four years old but where’s the

as four years old but where’s the research indicating that this is the

research indicating that this is the

research indicating that this is the best approach open dialog has never been

best approach open dialog has never been

best approach open dialog has never been our enemy and it is not our enemy now I

our enemy and it is not our enemy now I

our enemy and it is not our enemy now I cared about Jamie and I watched him

cared about Jamie and I watched him

cared about Jamie and I watched him become more and more unhappy if we want

become more and more unhappy if we want

become more and more unhappy if we want to support

to support

to support this community compassionately and

this community compassionately and

this community compassionately and effectively we need to move beyond the

effectively we need to move beyond the

effectively we need to move beyond the feel-good story with the ideal outcome

feel-good story with the ideal outcome

feel-good story with the ideal outcome and we need to ask the hard questions

and we need to ask the hard questions

and we need to ask the hard questions and we need to examine all the

and we need to examine all the

and we need to examine all the information not just that which is

information not just that which is

information not just that which is convenient pleasant or politically

convenient pleasant or politically

convenient pleasant or politically expedient

expedient

expedient [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

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