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How Much Do Banks Owe Us? | David Kinley | TEDxFulbrightSydney


what do you think of bankers it’s a

what do you think of bankers it’s a rhetorical question do you know any are

rhetorical question do you know any are

rhetorical question do you know any are you one I do you think that they cheat

you one I do you think that they cheat

you one I do you think that they cheat and if they cheat

and if they cheat

and if they cheat is that because banking attracts cheats

is that because banking attracts cheats

is that because banking attracts cheats or it creates them well a few years ago

or it creates them well a few years ago

or it creates them well a few years ago a team of behavioural economists from

a team of behavioural economists from

a team of behavioural economists from Switzerland set out to answer that very

Switzerland set out to answer that very

Switzerland set out to answer that very question they gathered together a

question they gathered together a

question they gathered together a hundred and twenty eight bankers and

hundred and twenty eight bankers and

hundred and twenty eight bankers and split them into two groups 64 in each

split them into two groups 64 in each

split them into two groups 64 in each they then asked primed the first group

they then asked primed the first group

they then asked primed the first group with questions about their personal

with questions about their personal

with questions about their personal lives their families their hobbies that

lives their families their hobbies that

lives their families their hobbies that they loved or did they hate reality

they loved or did they hate reality

they loved or did they hate reality television

television

television the second group they primed them with

the second group they primed them with

the second group they primed them with questions about their work their roles

questions about their work their roles

questions about their work their roles and responsibilities at the bank they

and responsibilities at the bank they

and responsibilities at the bank they then asked everyone in both groups to

then asked everyone in both groups to

then asked everyone in both groups to toss a coin 10 times and to record the

toss a coin 10 times and to record the

toss a coin 10 times and to record the results but they added this important

results but they added this important

results but they added this important rider you will get 20 dollars for every

rider you will get 20 dollars for every

rider you will get 20 dollars for every head that you record you get nothing for

head that you record you get nothing for

head that you record you get nothing for any tails so what did they find well you

any tails so what did they find well you

any tails so what did they find well you would expect if it was pure chance and

would expect if it was pure chance and

would expect if it was pure chance and there was no cheating that there would

there was no cheating that there would

there was no cheating that there would be pretty even numbers of heads and

be pretty even numbers of heads and

be pretty even numbers of heads and tails and indeed with the first group

tails and indeed with the first group

tails and indeed with the first group that’s what they found 640 tosses almost

that’s what they found 640 tosses almost

that’s what they found 640 tosses almost even heads and tails but with the second

even heads and tails but with the second

even heads and tails but with the second group the results were quite different

group the results were quite different

group the results were quite different many more heads than tails now this this

many more heads than tails now this this

many more heads than tails now this this is a statistically significant deviation

is a statistically significant deviation

is a statistically significant deviation from pure chance and it led the

from pure chance and it led the

from pure chance and it led the researchers to the conclusion that

researchers to the conclusion that

researchers to the conclusion that bankers thinking banking thoughts are

bankers thinking banking thoughts are

bankers thinking banking thoughts are more willing to cheat dishonesty in

more willing to cheat dishonesty in

more willing to cheat dishonesty in banking and finance is a breach of trust

banking and finance is a breach of trust

banking and finance is a breach of trust it’s a breach of our trust in banks that

it’s a breach of our trust in banks that

it’s a breach of our trust in banks that they’re honest and ethical and that the

they’re honest and ethical and that the

they’re honest and ethical and that the financial system as a whole is fair a

financial system as a whole is fair a

financial system as a whole is fair a force for good and not evil and indeed

force for good and not evil and indeed

force for good and not evil and indeed it was this good not evil thing that got

it was this good not evil thing that got

it was this good not evil thing that got me a human rights law professor

me a human rights law professor

me a human rights law professor interested in global finance in the

interested in global finance in the

interested in global finance in the first place more than 10 years ago I

first place more than 10 years ago I

first place more than 10 years ago I wanted to better understand how finance

wanted to better understand how finance

wanted to better understand how finance operates and what sort of impact it has

operates and what sort of impact it has

operates and what sort of impact it has on

on

on human rights and it’s been a daunting

human rights and it’s been a daunting

human rights and it’s been a daunting challenge not just because so few people

challenge not just because so few people

challenge not just because so few people outside finance really understand how

outside finance really understand how

outside finance really understand how the system works but because so many

the system works but because so many

the system works but because so many people inside finance struggle to

people inside finance struggle to

people inside finance struggle to explain what it is that they do bankers

explain what it is that they do bankers

explain what it is that they do bankers will point to sophisticated mathematical

will point to sophisticated mathematical

will point to sophisticated mathematical models for predicting the financial

models for predicting the financial

models for predicting the financial future but ultimately none of those

future but ultimately none of those

future but ultimately none of those models can handle the sheer

models can handle the sheer

models can handle the sheer unpredictability of what we human beings

unpredictability of what we human beings

unpredictability of what we human beings do with our money the biggest challenge

do with our money the biggest challenge

do with our money the biggest challenge of all though is to try and harness the

of all though is to try and harness the

of all though is to try and harness the immense power of finance to do more that

immense power of finance to do more that

immense power of finance to do more that helps human rights rather than harms

helps human rights rather than harms

helps human rights rather than harms them and to help them more like this

them and to help them more like this

them and to help them more like this finance has helped to create the wealth

finance has helped to create the wealth

finance has helped to create the wealth that has fueled this spectacular drop in

that has fueled this spectacular drop in

that has fueled this spectacular drop in global poverty from a position in 1990

global poverty from a position in 1990

global poverty from a position in 1990 when nearly 40% of the world’s

when nearly 40% of the world’s

when nearly 40% of the world’s population lived in abject poverty – a

population lived in abject poverty – a

population lived in abject poverty – a position today where it’s less than 10%

position today where it’s less than 10%

position today where it’s less than 10% now that 10% still represents more than

now that 10% still represents more than

now that 10% still represents more than 700 million people living on less than

700 million people living on less than

700 million people living on less than one point nine dollars a day but at

one point nine dollars a day but at

one point nine dollars a day but at least we are moving in the right

least we are moving in the right

least we are moving in the right direction where finance has pushed us in

direction where finance has pushed us in

direction where finance has pushed us in the wrong direction is in the matter of

the wrong direction is in the matter of

the wrong direction is in the matter of distribution of wealth the world today

distribution of wealth the world today

distribution of wealth the world today is richer than it has ever been before

is richer than it has ever been before

is richer than it has ever been before and yet so much of that wealth is

and yet so much of that wealth is

and yet so much of that wealth is concentrated in the hands of so few the

concentrated in the hands of so few the

concentrated in the hands of so few the richest 1% of the world’s population now

richest 1% of the world’s population now

richest 1% of the world’s population now possess more wealth than the other 99%

possess more wealth than the other 99%

possess more wealth than the other 99% so while it is true that the financial

so while it is true that the financial

so while it is true that the financial system has helped the poor a little it’s

system has helped the poor a little it’s

system has helped the poor a little it’s helped the rich a whole lot more

helped the rich a whole lot more

helped the rich a whole lot more economists call this the trickle-down

economists call this the trickle-down

economists call this the trickle-down effect but there you go that’s it it’s a

effect but there you go that’s it it’s a

effect but there you go that’s it it’s a trickle and it’s no accident the

trickle and it’s no accident the

trickle and it’s no accident the financial system is designed this way

financial system is designed this way

financial system is designed this way there’s a revolving door between finance

there’s a revolving door between finance

there’s a revolving door between finance and our lawmakers Wall Street today

and our lawmakers Wall Street today

and our lawmakers Wall Street today occupies government’s and has persuaded

occupies government’s and has persuaded

occupies government’s and has persuaded our leaders to believe that what is good

our leaders to believe that what is good

our leaders to believe that what is good for finance good for the wealthy is good

for finance good for the wealthy is good

for finance good for the wealthy is good for the rest of the economy banks big

for the rest of the economy banks big

for the rest of the economy banks big banks in particular have become a sort

banks in particular have become a sort

banks in particular have become a sort of protected species

of protected species

of protected species they’re encouraged to take enormous

they’re encouraged to take enormous

they’re encouraged to take enormous risks and if those risks pay off they

risks and if those risks pay off they

risks and if those risks pay off they get to keep the profits but if they go

get to keep the profits but if they go

get to keep the profits but if they go horribly wrong the state steps in and

horribly wrong the state steps in and

horribly wrong the state steps in and bails the might it’s a bit like having a

bails the might it’s a bit like having a

bails the might it’s a bit like having a cat as a pet you think you owners are in

cat as a pet you think you owners are in

cat as a pet you think you owners are in reality it owns you tax laws are a vivid

reality it owns you tax laws are a vivid

reality it owns you tax laws are a vivid example of a rigged financial system why

example of a rigged financial system why

example of a rigged financial system why do you think it is that multinational

do you think it is that multinational

do you think it is that multinational corporations are able so successfully to

corporations are able so successfully to

corporations are able so successfully to avoid paying tax by shifting their

avoid paying tax by shifting their

avoid paying tax by shifting their profits and losses across the globe well

profits and losses across the globe well

profits and losses across the globe well they can because it’s legal

they can because it’s legal

they can because it’s legal it may be unethical it may be unfair but

it may be unethical it may be unfair but

it may be unethical it may be unfair but it is not illegal in fact the reason why

it is not illegal in fact the reason why

it is not illegal in fact the reason why our tax laws are so incredibly long is

our tax laws are so incredibly long is

our tax laws are so incredibly long is because they contain so many complicated

because they contain so many complicated

because they contain so many complicated tax deductions for those rich enough to

tax deductions for those rich enough to

tax deductions for those rich enough to be able to claim them the United States

be able to claim them the United States

be able to claim them the United States tax code is four million words long

tax code is four million words long

tax code is four million words long that’s seven times the length of

that’s seven times the length of

that’s seven times the length of Tolstoy’s war and peace or four times

Tolstoy’s war and peace or four times

Tolstoy’s war and peace or four times the length of all the Harry Potter

the length of all the Harry Potter

the length of all the Harry Potter novels put together but whatever it’s an

novels put together but whatever it’s an

novels put together but whatever it’s an awful lot of tax breaks warren buffett

awful lot of tax breaks warren buffett

awful lot of tax breaks warren buffett tells this story of asking everyone in

tells this story of asking everyone in

tells this story of asking everyone in his office to note down their annual

his office to note down their annual

his office to note down their annual income tax rate so this is secretaries

income tax rate so this is secretaries

income tax rate so this is secretaries janitors middle management and Buffett

janitors middle management and Buffett

janitors middle management and Buffett himself and when the results come back

himself and when the results come back

himself and when the results come back it is Warren Buffett the world’s second

it is Warren Buffett the world’s second

it is Warren Buffett the world’s second richest human being that is paying the

richest human being that is paying the

richest human being that is paying the lowest income tax rate by far so the

lowest income tax rate by far so the

lowest income tax rate by far so the financial fat cats have got their cream

financial fat cats have got their cream

financial fat cats have got their cream and we’ve let them have it indeed are we

and we’ve let them have it indeed are we

and we’ve let them have it indeed are we complicit in this crime

complicit in this crime

complicit in this crime so seduced have we become by finance and

so seduced have we become by finance and

so seduced have we become by finance and money

money

money we’ve reached we’ve reached a position

we’ve reached we’ve reached a position

we’ve reached we’ve reached a position today where we live our lives like Oscar

today where we live our lives like Oscar

today where we live our lives like Oscar Wilde’s definition of a cynic we know

Wilde’s definition of a cynic we know

Wilde’s definition of a cynic we know the price of everything in the value of

the price of everything in the value of

the price of everything in the value of nothing an Adid everything does seem to

nothing an Adid everything does seem to

nothing an Adid everything does seem to have a price tag these days we will sell

have a price tag these days we will sell

have a price tag these days we will sell our spare rooms to strangers for a night

our spare rooms to strangers for a night

our spare rooms to strangers for a night we’ve turned our private cars into

we’ve turned our private cars into

we’ve turned our private cars into public taxis some people sell their

public taxis some people sell their

public taxis some people sell their kidneys and other people sell their

kidneys and other people sell their

kidneys and other people sell their children and then there’s this guy in

children and then there’s this guy in

children and then there’s this guy in the you now

the you now

the you now States who sold his forehead for

States who sold his forehead for

States who sold his forehead for advertising space for a month for thirty

advertising space for a month for thirty

advertising space for a month for thirty seven thousand three hundred and seventy

seven thousand three hundred and seventy

seven thousand three hundred and seventy five dollars most of all we’ve allowed

five dollars most of all we’ve allowed

five dollars most of all we’ve allowed money to become the measure of all that

money to become the measure of all that

money to become the measure of all that we achieve in life and it may be that

we achieve in life and it may be that

we achieve in life and it may be that the rich are particularly clever or

the rich are particularly clever or

the rich are particularly clever or they’re very greedy or they’re just very

they’re very greedy or they’re just very

they’re very greedy or they’re just very lucky

lucky

lucky but whatever we venerate them as symbols

but whatever we venerate them as symbols

but whatever we venerate them as symbols of success in our society and then our

of success in our society and then our

of success in our society and then our eagerness to emulate them we binge on

eagerness to emulate them we binge on

eagerness to emulate them we binge on debt and thereby we’ve allowed banks to

debt and thereby we’ve allowed banks to

debt and thereby we’ve allowed banks to effectively control our lives so we’ve

effectively control our lives so we’ve

effectively control our lives so we’ve created a monster and just like dr.

created a monster and just like dr.

created a monster and just like dr. Frankenstein we’ve come to regret the

Frankenstein we’ve come to regret the

Frankenstein we’ve come to regret the creation our levels of distrust of banks

creation our levels of distrust of banks

creation our levels of distrust of banks have reached epic proportions in a

have reached epic proportions in a

have reached epic proportions in a recent global survey barely fifty

recent global survey barely fifty

recent global survey barely fifty percent of us believed that banks were

percent of us believed that banks were

percent of us believed that banks were trustworthy institutions when we

trustworthy institutions when we

trustworthy institutions when we describe banks we use words like

describe banks we use words like

describe banks we use words like unethical arrogant socially useless and

unethical arrogant socially useless and

unethical arrogant socially useless and my personal favorite a giant vampire

my personal favorite a giant vampire

my personal favorite a giant vampire squid wrapped around the face of

squid wrapped around the face of

squid wrapped around the face of humanity our views of banks and bankers

humanity our views of banks and bankers

humanity our views of banks and bankers have become so jaundiced that we now

have become so jaundiced that we now

have become so jaundiced that we now expect bankers to cheat now this is not

expect bankers to cheat now this is not

expect bankers to cheat now this is not how it should be banking should be a

how it should be banking should be a

how it should be banking should be a pillar of society not some sort of

pillar of society not some sort of

pillar of society not some sort of sheltered workshop for bankers so we’ve

sheltered workshop for bankers so we’ve

sheltered workshop for bankers so we’ve got to reclaim finance for the sake of

got to reclaim finance for the sake of

got to reclaim finance for the sake of society and for the sake of bankers

society and for the sake of bankers

society and for the sake of bankers we’ve got to rewrite the mission

we’ve got to rewrite the mission

we’ve got to rewrite the mission statement of Finance so that social

statement of Finance so that social

statement of Finance so that social responsibility is not seen as some sort

responsibility is not seen as some sort

responsibility is not seen as some sort of optional extra but it’s part of the

of optional extra but it’s part of the

of optional extra but it’s part of the core business of banking and that

core business of banking and that

core business of banking and that bankers are made to take responsibility

bankers are made to take responsibility

bankers are made to take responsibility for the wider consequences of their

for the wider consequences of their

for the wider consequences of their action rather than be excused them as

action rather than be excused them as

action rather than be excused them as they are today

they are today

they are today the banks can do this because bankers

the banks can do this because bankers

the banks can do this because bankers are men and women just like you and me

are men and women just like you and me

are men and women just like you and me they have passions and desires and they

they have passions and desires and they

they have passions and desires and they need to be respected like everyone else

need to be respected like everyone else

need to be respected like everyone else I remember this one executive top

I remember this one executive top

I remember this one executive top executive banker telling me that when he

executive banker telling me that when he

executive banker telling me that when he looks at himself in the mirror in the

looks at himself in the mirror in the

looks at himself in the mirror in the morning he wants to be proud of what it

morning he wants to be proud of what it

morning he wants to be proud of what it is that he does that day

is that he does that day

is that he does that day we can work with this we could appeal to

we can work with this we could appeal to

we can work with this we could appeal to the better angel with in banking and

the better angel with in banking and

the better angel with in banking and there is one for I’ve seen over the

there is one for I’ve seen over the

there is one for I’ve seen over the years how access to financial services

years how access to financial services

years how access to financial services has fueled that dramatic decline in

has fueled that dramatic decline in

has fueled that dramatic decline in poverty that we saw earlier how in the

poverty that we saw earlier how in the

poverty that we saw earlier how in the poor remittances this is money sent back

poor remittances this is money sent back

poor remittances this is money sent back by family members working overseas have

by family members working overseas have

by family members working overseas have been lifelines for those back home how

been lifelines for those back home how

been lifelines for those back home how in the Pacific Islands micro financing

in the Pacific Islands micro financing

in the Pacific Islands micro financing programs have helped to unlock the

programs have helped to unlock the

programs have helped to unlock the wealth creating potential of the poor

wealth creating potential of the poor

wealth creating potential of the poor and particularly of women and how in

and particularly of women and how in

and particularly of women and how in Myanmar Indonesia and even China a small

Myanmar Indonesia and even China a small

Myanmar Indonesia and even China a small but growing band of ethical investors

but growing band of ethical investors

but growing band of ethical investors are trying to better protect the

are trying to better protect the

are trying to better protect the environment and here in the West the

environment and here in the West the

environment and here in the West the growth of social impact investing the

growth of social impact investing the

growth of social impact investing the idea that you can do good and make a

idea that you can do good and make a

idea that you can do good and make a profit at the same time is being used to

profit at the same time is being used to

profit at the same time is being used to protect and promote human rights so

protect and promote human rights so

protect and promote human rights so there’s an enormous potential within

there’s an enormous potential within

there’s an enormous potential within finance to help everyone in society and

finance to help everyone in society and

finance to help everyone in society and not just a privileged view but for that

not just a privileged view but for that

not just a privileged view but for that potential to be exploited we have got to

potential to be exploited we have got to

potential to be exploited we have got to change our attitudes and expectations of

change our attitudes and expectations of

change our attitudes and expectations of banks and bankers be less tolerant and

banks and bankers be less tolerant and

banks and bankers be less tolerant and accepting of ideas and cultures of

accepting of ideas and cultures of

accepting of ideas and cultures of entitlement selfishness of greed and

entitlement selfishness of greed and

entitlement selfishness of greed and more demanding that banks give back more

more demanding that banks give back more

more demanding that banks give back more than they take banks after all are the

than they take banks after all are the

than they take banks after all are the servants of society not its master and

servants of society not its master and

servants of society not its master and so my message and it’s been a long time

so my message and it’s been a long time

so my message and it’s been a long time coming might my message to banks is

coming might my message to banks is

coming might my message to banks is simple and it is this ask not what

simple and it is this ask not what

simple and it is this ask not what society can do for you but what you can

society can do for you but what you can

society can do for you but what you can do for society and that’s what banks o

do for society and that’s what banks o

do for society and that’s what banks o us

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