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Learning through experience | Jane Frost | TEDxCanberra


thank you

thank you hello everybody well there’s a lot of

hello everybody well there’s a lot of

hello everybody well there’s a lot of you today isn’t there well my name’s

you today isn’t there well my name’s

you today isn’t there well my name’s Marjorie and Marjorie Templeton and I go

Marjorie and Marjorie Templeton and I go

Marjorie and Marjorie Templeton and I go into the university and I talk to the

into the university and I talk to the

into the university and I talk to the students there I used to be a nurse you

students there I used to be a nurse you

students there I used to be a nurse you know and I go in and I talk about my

know and I go in and I talk about my

know and I go in and I talk about my experiences because I have some health

experiences because I have some health

experiences because I have some health problems well at at 81 who hasn’t and my

problems well at at 81 who hasn’t and my

problems well at at 81 who hasn’t and my my husband Jacques has the Parkinson’s

my husband Jacques has the Parkinson’s

my husband Jacques has the Parkinson’s and I’ve cared for him for a long time

and I’ve cared for him for a long time

and I’ve cared for him for a long time but he’s had to go into a nursing home

but he’s had to go into a nursing home

but he’s had to go into a nursing home now so that’s a bit sad but I’ve got

now so that’s a bit sad but I’ve got

now so that’s a bit sad but I’ve got something to show you today

something to show you today

something to show you today let me see if I can find it I don’t know

let me see if I can find it I don’t know

let me see if I can find it I don’t know if you’ve seen one of these before and

if you’ve seen one of these before and

if you’ve seen one of these before and it’s got a bit of a funny name so this

it’s got a bit of a funny name so this

it’s got a bit of a funny name so this is called a fidget mouth and it’s it’s

is called a fidget mouth and it’s it’s

is called a fidget mouth and it’s it’s supposed to be for people with with the

supposed to be for people with with the

supposed to be for people with with the Alzheimer’s and dementia it it’s quite

Alzheimer’s and dementia it it’s quite

Alzheimer’s and dementia it it’s quite soothing so I I bought it for my husband

soothing so I I bought it for my husband

soothing so I I bought it for my husband jock because he has the tremor in the

jock because he has the tremor in the

jock because he has the tremor in the Parkinson’s and yes I thought it might

Parkinson’s and yes I thought it might

Parkinson’s and yes I thought it might help but I ordered it on the Google and

help but I ordered it on the Google and

help but I ordered it on the Google and it came it was pink I thought I’d

it came it was pink I thought I’d

it came it was pink I thought I’d ordered brown so I might just have to

ordered brown so I might just have to

ordered brown so I might just have to keep it myself and hope that it stops me

keep it myself and hope that it stops me

keep it myself and hope that it stops me getting the Alzheimers what do you think

getting the Alzheimers what do you think

getting the Alzheimers what do you think yes well I thought I’d tell you a story

yes well I thought I’d tell you a story

yes well I thought I’d tell you a story I tell my students

I tell my students

I tell my students and that’s about going to the when I see

and that’s about going to the when I see

and that’s about going to the when I see the diabetic doctor because I have the

the diabetic doctor because I have the

the diabetic doctor because I have the diabetes and I went a few weeks ago with

diabetes and I went a few weeks ago with

diabetes and I went a few weeks ago with my grandson Louie so he’s only small and

my grandson Louie so he’s only small and

my grandson Louie so he’s only small and before we went in I I went I took him to

before we went in I I went I took him to

before we went in I I went I took him to the cafe and he got one of those big

the cafe and he got one of those big

the cafe and he got one of those big sticky doughnuts yes you know the ones

sticky doughnuts yes you know the ones

sticky doughnuts yes you know the ones full of sugar well I’m a grandma I’m

full of sugar well I’m a grandma I’m

full of sugar well I’m a grandma I’m allowed to give him it anyway I went I

allowed to give him it anyway I went I

allowed to give him it anyway I went I went to the clinic and the woman that

went to the clinic and the woman that

went to the clinic and the woman that was taking my blood sugar said have you

was taking my blood sugar said have you

was taking my blood sugar said have you had one of those

had one of those

had one of those I said no I said I’m coming to the

I said no I said I’m coming to the

I said no I said I’m coming to the diabetic clinic anyway she took my blood

diabetic clinic anyway she took my blood

diabetic clinic anyway she took my blood glucose and she went oh it’s normal and

glucose and she went oh it’s normal and

glucose and she went oh it’s normal and I said yes

I said yes

I said yes well I didn’t have one you didn’t

well I didn’t have one you didn’t

well I didn’t have one you didn’t believe me did you and she said no and I

believe me did you and she said no and I

believe me did you and she said no and I thought well you know I might be old but

thought well you know I might be old but

thought well you know I might be old but I’m not silly I’d left mine in my

I’m not silly I’d left mine in my

I’m not silly I’d left mine in my handbag for when I left yes

anyway I I think I have to go now

anyway I I think I have to go now there’s a clock down here that’s telling

there’s a clock down here that’s telling

there’s a clock down here that’s telling me to leave so I better get off there’s

me to leave so I better get off there’s

me to leave so I better get off there’s someone that I work with it’s coming on

someone that I work with it’s coming on

someone that I work with it’s coming on next I believe so

next I believe so

next I believe so just just a moment

[Applause]

[Applause] so I’m not Margery Templeton my name’s

so I’m not Margery Templeton my name’s

so I’m not Margery Templeton my name’s Jane frost and I’m going to come and

Jane frost and I’m going to come and

Jane frost and I’m going to come and talk to you about why I use mascara in a

talk to you about why I use mascara in a

talk to you about why I use mascara in a moment I’m just going to slip into

moment I’m just going to slip into

moment I’m just going to slip into something more comfortable

our dish is a completely realized person

our dish is a completely realized person like she is a real patient sitting there

like she is a real patient sitting there

like she is a real patient sitting there with you which is such a cool

with you which is such a cool

with you which is such a cool opportunity because in the other labs

opportunity because in the other labs

opportunity because in the other labs they’re high fidelity dummies but

they’re high fidelity dummies but

they’re high fidelity dummies but they’re not alive but Marjorie’s like

they’re not alive but Marjorie’s like

they’re not alive but Marjorie’s like this real live breathing person they get

this real live breathing person they get

this real live breathing person they get to me you never fit get any questions to

to me you never fit get any questions to

to me you never fit get any questions to ask her because she comes back and back

ask her because she comes back and back

ask her because she comes back and back and you can cover so much stuff things I

and you can cover so much stuff things I

and you can cover so much stuff things I really enjoyed about Marjorie coming

really enjoyed about Marjorie coming

really enjoyed about Marjorie coming into the class was the fact that it is a

into the class was the fact that it is a

into the class was the fact that it is a person you can engage with and it

person you can engage with and it

person you can engage with and it connects you more with the content that

connects you more with the content that

connects you more with the content that we’re being taught each week

we’re being taught each week

we’re being taught each week Marjorie goes along with the subject

Marjorie goes along with the subject

Marjorie goes along with the subject matter we’re trying to learn that week

matter we’re trying to learn that week

matter we’re trying to learn that week and for me being someone who enjoys

and for me being someone who enjoys

and for me being someone who enjoys learning that way it made it a lot

learning that way it made it a lot

learning that way it made it a lot easier to take in the content and make

easier to take in the content and make

easier to take in the content and make it stick a little bit better you thought

it stick a little bit better you thought

it stick a little bit better you thought she was real I think she was real oh

she was real I think she was real oh

she was real I think she was real oh people in the class she’s completely

people in the class she’s completely

people in the class she’s completely real

real

real it’s scary well it’s not often that you

it’s scary well it’s not often that you

it’s scary well it’s not often that you get to a teacher that’s go on full Meryl

get to a teacher that’s go on full Meryl

get to a teacher that’s go on full Meryl Streep into character and it’s going to

Streep into character and it’s going to

Streep into character and it’s going to the effort it’s got just so much effort

the effort it’s got just so much effort

the effort it’s got just so much effort to just try and teach you something in a

to just try and teach you something in a

to just try and teach you something in a fun way that everybody

I’d like you to think about kindness

I’d like you to think about kindness compassion and communication and how

compassion and communication and how

compassion and communication and how important that is for healthcare

important that is for healthcare

important that is for healthcare professionals I’d like you to think at

professionals I’d like you to think at

professionals I’d like you to think at the last time you had an interaction

the last time you had an interaction

the last time you had an interaction with the healthcare professional and

with the healthcare professional and

with the healthcare professional and think about whether it was good or

think about whether it was good or

think about whether it was good or whether it was bad and I hasten to guess

whether it was bad and I hasten to guess

whether it was bad and I hasten to guess that the reason that it was either good

that the reason that it was either good

that the reason that it was either good or bad was because of the communication

or bad was because of the communication

or bad was because of the communication and the connection you felt with that

and the connection you felt with that

and the connection you felt with that healthcare professional Maya Angelou

healthcare professional Maya Angelou

healthcare professional Maya Angelou famously said that people don’t remember

famously said that people don’t remember

famously said that people don’t remember what you say and they often don’t

what you say and they often don’t

what you say and they often don’t remember what you do they remember how

remember what you do they remember how

remember what you do they remember how you make them feel and this is really

you make them feel and this is really

you make them feel and this is really important

important

important I teach nursing students and nurses are

I teach nursing students and nurses are

I teach nursing students and nurses are the health care professional that spends

the health care professional that spends

the health care professional that spends the most time with patients research in

the most time with patients research in

the most time with patients research in the United States has shown that

the United States has shown that

the United States has shown that kindness and compassion improve health

kindness and compassion improve health

kindness and compassion improve health outcomes they reduce blood pressure it

outcomes they reduce blood pressure it

outcomes they reduce blood pressure it reduces wound healing times reduces

reduces wound healing times reduces

reduces wound healing times reduces anxiety it the shorter stays in hospital

anxiety it the shorter stays in hospital

anxiety it the shorter stays in hospital and even it affects the severity and the

and even it affects the severity and the

and even it affects the severity and the duration of the common cold my research

duration of the common cold my research

duration of the common cold my research has linked communication with

has linked communication with

has linked communication with empowerment and enablement and I found

empowerment and enablement and I found

empowerment and enablement and I found that a mutual respect trust and a good

that a mutual respect trust and a good

that a mutual respect trust and a good communication style linked with patients

communication style linked with patients

communication style linked with patients being able to cope or understand and

being able to cope or understand and

being able to cope or understand and manage their illness better but how do

manage their illness better but how do

manage their illness better but how do we teach it or how do you learn how to

we teach it or how do you learn how to

we teach it or how do you learn how to communicate if you think back to when

communicate if you think back to when

communicate if you think back to when you were growing up you learned through

you were growing up you learned through

you were growing up you learned through experience you learned through practice

experience you learned through practice

experience you learned through practice and you learnt from that through the

and you learnt from that through the

and you learnt from that through the feedback that you were given remember

feedback that you were given remember

feedback that you were given remember when you learn to say something and you

when you learn to say something and you

when you learn to say something and you practice it with your mom or your

practice it with your mom or your

practice it with your mom or your parents with your peers and the reaction

parents with your peers and the reaction

parents with your peers and the reaction that you got made you realize whether

that you got made you realize whether

that you got made you realize whether you actually got your message across

being able to practice and that learning

being able to practice and that learning through experience is why I bring

through experience is why I bring

through experience is why I bring Marjorie into my classroom Marjorie is a

Marjorie into my classroom Marjorie is a

Marjorie into my classroom Marjorie is a character that I’ve created through a

character that I’ve created through a

character that I’ve created through a technique called mask ed mask edge was

technique called mask ed mask edge was

technique called mask ed mask edge was developed by Professor Carrie Reed sue

developed by Professor Carrie Reed sue

developed by Professor Carrie Reed sue at the central Queensland University and

at the central Queensland University and

at the central Queensland University and I learned how to do this technique in

I learned how to do this technique in

I learned how to do this technique in 2013 and I can honestly say that

2013 and I can honestly say that

2013 and I can honestly say that transformed the way that I teach I was

transformed the way that I teach I was

transformed the way that I teach I was able to see an engagement with my

able to see an engagement with my

able to see an engagement with my students and you can see from the video

students and you can see from the video

students and you can see from the video that they really get involved with

that they really get involved with

that they really get involved with Marjorie they like learning this way and

Marjorie they like learning this way and

Marjorie they like learning this way and how much more do you learn when you’re

how much more do you learn when you’re

how much more do you learn when you’re having fun

Marjorie it’s a mixture of people that I

Marjorie it’s a mixture of people that I know and people that I’ve missed

know and people that I’ve missed

know and people that I’ve missed Marjorie is a mixture of all these

Marjorie is a mixture of all these

Marjorie is a mixture of all these people and that means that I can make

people and that means that I can make

people and that means that I can make her real I’ve been a nurse for over 20

her real I’ve been a nurse for over 20

her real I’ve been a nurse for over 20 years and I’ve had a chronic illness for

years and I’ve had a chronic illness for

years and I’ve had a chronic illness for over 30 years and that experience allows

over 30 years and that experience allows

over 30 years and that experience allows me to portray a patient experience that

me to portray a patient experience that

me to portray a patient experience that students can then engage with mosket is

students can then engage with mosket is

students can then engage with mosket is safe it’s effective and it allows you to

safe it’s effective and it allows you to

safe it’s effective and it allows you to coach students as they are learning they

coach students as they are learning they

coach students as they are learning they can practice communication in lots of

can practice communication in lots of

can practice communication in lots of ways but Marjorie isn’t my only

ways but Marjorie isn’t my only

ways but Marjorie isn’t my only character I have some other characters

character I have some other characters

character I have some other characters as you can see on the slide these are

as you can see on the slide these are

as you can see on the slide these are all me so we have Elsie who comes into

all me so we have Elsie who comes into

all me so we have Elsie who comes into our workshop and teaches the students

our workshop and teaches the students

our workshop and teaches the students about correct ID correctly identifying a

about correct ID correctly identifying a

about correct ID correctly identifying a patient and that’s really important when

patient and that’s really important when

patient and that’s really important when we’re giving medication you need to

we’re giving medication you need to

we’re giving medication you need to correctly identify the patient and

correctly identify the patient and

correctly identify the patient and that’s hard to learn on a mannequin that

that’s hard to learn on a mannequin that

that’s hard to learn on a mannequin that doesn’t interact with you

doesn’t interact with you

doesn’t interact with you Hildur on here was in an

Hildur on here was in an

Hildur on here was in an interprofessional learning experience

interprofessional learning experience

interprofessional learning experience that we ran and Hilda had had a hip

that we ran and Hilda had had a hip

that we ran and Hilda had had a hip replacement

replacement

replacement now during that experience she needed to

now during that experience she needed to

now during that experience she needed to have her hip dressed now I’ll just

have her hip dressed now I’ll just

have her hip dressed now I’ll just mention there that mask edge involves

mention there that mask edge involves

mention there that mask edge involves the use of silicon props and masks so

the use of silicon props and masks so

the use of silicon props and masks so you wear a mask but you can also wear

you wear a mask but you can also wear

you wear a mask but you can also wear different parts of the body – so Hilda

different parts of the body – so Hilda

different parts of the body – so Hilda had a hip wound she was in bed in her

had a hip wound she was in bed in her

had a hip wound she was in bed in her nightie one of the nursing students was

nightie one of the nursing students was

nightie one of the nursing students was doing a wound dress dressing on that hip

doing a wound dress dressing on that hip

doing a wound dress dressing on that hip wound so she had her backside exposed

wound so she had her backside exposed

wound so she had her backside exposed and some other students came over and

and some other students came over and

and some other students came over and asked Hilda if they could take a health

asked Hilda if they could take a health

asked Hilda if they could take a health history and poor Hilda went oh yeah

history and poor Hilda went oh yeah

history and poor Hilda went oh yeah suppose so because she was vulnerable

suppose so because she was vulnerable

suppose so because she was vulnerable and she was in that bed and she thought

and she was in that bed and she thought

and she was in that bed and she thought as most patients do I should really

as most patients do I should really

as most patients do I should really answer all these questions they’re

answer all these questions they’re

answer all these questions they’re helping me but when I was when I took

helping me but when I was when I took

helping me but when I was when I took the mask off I was then able to debrief

the mask off I was then able to debrief

the mask off I was then able to debrief with the students and say hey did he

with the students and say hey did he

with the students and say hey did he think about dignity there did he think

think about dignity there did he think

think about dignity there did he think about how vulnerable she was feeling and

about how vulnerable she was feeling and

about how vulnerable she was feeling and when they said she said it was okay yeah

when they said she said it was okay yeah

when they said she said it was okay yeah but you need to think about that more

but you need to think about that more

but you need to think about that more you need to reflect on what you’re doing

you need to reflect on what you’re doing

you need to reflect on what you’re doing and that’s part of what we’re teaching

and that’s part of what we’re teaching

and that’s part of what we’re teaching through experience is about reflecting

through experience is about reflecting

through experience is about reflecting and getting it right the next time on

and getting it right the next time on

and getting it right the next time on the premise of learning through

the premise of learning through

the premise of learning through experience I asked my students to do

experience I asked my students to do

experience I asked my students to do some other things so one of the things I

some other things so one of the things I

some other things so one of the things I asked them to do is to wear a colostomy

asked them to do is to wear a colostomy

asked them to do is to wear a colostomy bag I asked them to wear a colostomy bag

bag I asked them to wear a colostomy bag

bag I asked them to wear a colostomy bag for 24 to 48 hours and I fill it with

for 24 to 48 hours and I fill it with

for 24 to 48 hours and I fill it with fake feces makes it a bit more realistic

fake feces makes it a bit more realistic

fake feces makes it a bit more realistic and the idea is that they wear this bag

and the idea is that they wear this bag

and the idea is that they wear this bag and they go out and they just go about

and they go out and they just go about

and they go out and they just go about their normal lives when they come back

their normal lives when they come back

their normal lives when they come back the following week they say things like

the following week they say things like

the following week they say things like I had to take it off I went to the gym

I had to take it off I went to the gym

I had to take it off I went to the gym it won’t fit under my gym clothes I had

it won’t fit under my gym clothes I had

it won’t fit under my gym clothes I had to take it off because I didn’t want it

to take it off because I didn’t want it

to take it off because I didn’t want it to leak in the bed and they have

to leak in the bed and they have

to leak in the bed and they have interesting

interesting

interesting stories of how partners didn’t want to

stories of how partners didn’t want to

stories of how partners didn’t want to come with them when they have this bag

come with them when they have this bag

come with them when they have this bag on that was fake and then I get them to

on that was fake and then I get them to

on that was fake and then I get them to reflect on the fact that patients who

reflect on the fact that patients who

reflect on the fact that patients who need colostomy bags don’t have the

need colostomy bags don’t have the

need colostomy bags don’t have the choice to take it off and I’ve asked

choice to take it off and I’ve asked

choice to take it off and I’ve asked them to walk in their shoes for a small

them to walk in their shoes for a small

them to walk in their shoes for a small amount of time another thing that I

amount of time another thing that I

amount of time another thing that I asked my students to do is to wear a

asked my students to do is to wear a

asked my students to do is to wear a bariatric suit now a bariatric suit is a

bariatric suit now a bariatric suit is a

bariatric suit now a bariatric suit is a suit that almost doubles the size of the

suit that almost doubles the size of the

suit that almost doubles the size of the body and bulks the body out and allows

body and bulks the body out and allows

body and bulks the body out and allows people to experience what it would be

people to experience what it would be

people to experience what it would be like to be in the obese category or to

like to be in the obese category or to

like to be in the obese category or to be categorized as being obese and this

be categorized as being obese and this

be categorized as being obese and this has been really powerful for some of our

has been really powerful for some of our

has been really powerful for some of our students because they realize that they

students because they realize that they

students because they realize that they had thought about obesity differently

had thought about obesity differently

had thought about obesity differently and they had all the answers they were

and they had all the answers they were

and they had all the answers they were going to get people to go for a run they

going to get people to go for a run they

going to get people to go for a run they put on the suit they can’t reach their

put on the suit they can’t reach their

put on the suit they can’t reach their toes or they find it difficult to put

toes or they find it difficult to put

toes or they find it difficult to put their shoes on and there’s a moment

their shoes on and there’s a moment

their shoes on and there’s a moment there that they realize that they needed

there that they realize that they needed

there that they realize that they needed to step in someone else’s shoes and

to step in someone else’s shoes and

to step in someone else’s shoes and think about the person when I first

think about the person when I first

think about the person when I first started nursing I was ridiculed by some

started nursing I was ridiculed by some

started nursing I was ridiculed by some of my colleagues because I was looking

of my colleagues because I was looking

of my colleagues because I was looking after someone who had who was in a coma

after someone who had who was in a coma

after someone who had who was in a coma and as I was looking after them I was

and as I was looking after them I was

and as I was looking after them I was talking to them I was chatting away

talking to them I was chatting away

talking to them I was chatting away about the weather I held their hands as

about the weather I held their hands as

about the weather I held their hands as I did their observation and my

I did their observation and my

I did their observation and my colleagues at the time said you know why

colleagues at the time said you know why

colleagues at the time said you know why are you bothering to do that and I

are you bothering to do that and I

are you bothering to do that and I thought if there is just the slightest

thought if there is just the slightest

thought if there is just the slightest chance that this person can hear me

chance that this person can hear me

chance that this person can hear me talking or feel my touch then that is

talking or feel my touch then that is

talking or feel my touch then that is what I would want someone to do for me

what I would want someone to do for me

what I would want someone to do for me and why does this all matter to you

and why does this all matter to you

and why does this all matter to you everybody in this audience is going to

everybody in this audience is going to

everybody in this audience is going to be touched by a nurse at some point

be touched by a nurse at some point

be touched by a nurse at some point whether it’s for a flu jab whether it’s

whether it’s for a flu jab whether it’s

whether it’s for a flu jab whether it’s for a longer stay in hospital and one

for a longer stay in hospital and one

for a longer stay in hospital and one thing’s for sure as we all get older

thing’s for sure as we all get older

thing’s for sure as we all get older we’re going to be needing health care

we’re going to be needing health care

we’re going to be needing health care more and more frequently don’t you want

more and more frequently don’t you want

more and more frequently don’t you want that nurse to recognize you as a person

that nurse to recognize you as a person

that nurse to recognize you as a person and not just your illness

and not just your illness

and not just your illness and I’m going to leave you with a quote

and I’m going to leave you with a quote

and I’m going to leave you with a quote from JK Rowling and a famous wizard

from JK Rowling and a famous wizard

from JK Rowling and a famous wizard words are our most inexhaustible source

words are our most inexhaustible source

words are our most inexhaustible source of magic capable of inflicting great

of magic capable of inflicting great

of magic capable of inflicting great harm but also of remedying it thank you

harm but also of remedying it thank you

harm but also of remedying it thank you [Applause]

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