Press "Enter" to skip to content

What Ten Year Olds Taught Us About Our Tech Start-Up | Jean Leggett | TEDxCollingwood


your software sucks

your software sucks this thing’s buggy don’t you have

this thing’s buggy don’t you have

this thing’s buggy don’t you have spellcheck out of the mouths of babes

spellcheck out of the mouths of babes

spellcheck out of the mouths of babes you know they say there are three things

you know they say there are three things

you know they say there are three things that will tell you the the truth drunk

that will tell you the the truth drunk

that will tell you the the truth drunk people children and yoga pants so I’m a

people children and yoga pants so I’m a

people children and yoga pants so I’m a stand-up comedian and I also have an

stand-up comedian and I also have an

stand-up comedian and I also have an English degree which occasionally means

English degree which occasionally means

English degree which occasionally means that I spout off romantic snarky haiku

that I spout off romantic snarky haiku

that I spout off romantic snarky haiku and I’m also known to recite the body

and I’m also known to recite the body

and I’m also known to recite the body parts of The Canterbury Tales but five

parts of The Canterbury Tales but five

parts of The Canterbury Tales but five years ago I found myself in an unusual

years ago I found myself in an unusual

years ago I found myself in an unusual journey in entrepreneurship you see my

journey in entrepreneurship you see my

journey in entrepreneurship you see my husband had nearly died from a medical

husband had nearly died from a medical

husband had nearly died from a medical error while we were living in Dallas

error while we were living in Dallas

error while we were living in Dallas Texas and we thought what better time to

Texas and we thought what better time to

Texas and we thought what better time to return to our hometown where we hadn’t

return to our hometown where we hadn’t

return to our hometown where we hadn’t lived in 20 years and we don’t know

lived in 20 years and we don’t know

lived in 20 years and we don’t know anybody other than mom and dad to start

anybody other than mom and dad to start

anybody other than mom and dad to start something to start something risky and

something to start something risky and

something to start something risky and daring and not worry about life sounds

daring and not worry about life sounds

daring and not worry about life sounds like a really easy journey right a

like a really easy journey right a

like a really easy journey right a straight path to success instead it kind

straight path to success instead it kind

straight path to success instead it kind of looks like that a bit of a winding

of looks like that a bit of a winding

of looks like that a bit of a winding mountain sometimes their son sometimes

mountain sometimes their son sometimes

mountain sometimes their son sometimes there’s rain so we set off to create

there’s rain so we set off to create

there’s rain so we set off to create software for writers to take short

software for writers to take short

software for writers to take short stories and novels and create narrative

stories and novels and create narrative

stories and novels and create narrative based video games you know for word

based video games you know for word

based video games you know for word nerds are you a word nerd I’m a word

nerds are you a word nerd I’m a word

nerds are you a word nerd I’m a word nerd I like haiku come on so what was

nerd I like haiku come on so what was

nerd I like haiku come on so what was interesting through that journey is we

interesting through that journey is we

interesting through that journey is we decided we were gonna work with children

decided we were gonna work with children

decided we were gonna work with children now I have to tell you something I’m 40

now I have to tell you something I’m 40

now I have to tell you something I’m 40 no pets no plants no children if it

no pets no plants no children if it

no pets no plants no children if it can’t feed itself I can’t live in my

can’t feed itself I can’t live in my

can’t feed itself I can’t live in my house

house

house hobbies okay because he’s learned how to

hobbies okay because he’s learned how to

hobbies okay because he’s learned how to work the microwave and he’s great at

work the microwave and he’s great at

work the microwave and he’s great at takeout so what were we thinking to take

takeout so what were we thinking to take

takeout so what were we thinking to take on kids and teach them we don’t have a

on kids and teach them we don’t have a

on kids and teach them we don’t have a background as teachers he’s a software

background as teachers he’s a software

background as teachers he’s a software engineer and I’m a stand-up comic why

engineer and I’m a stand-up comic why

engineer and I’m a stand-up comic why would you trust your children to us

would you trust your children to us

would you trust your children to us honestly so that very first summer in

honestly so that very first summer in

honestly so that very first summer in 2015 we had four children parents who

2015 we had four children parents who

2015 we had four children parents who knew us and trusted us and figured hey

knew us and trusted us and figured hey

knew us and trusted us and figured hey we couldn’t lose their children if they

we couldn’t lose their children if they

we couldn’t lose their children if they were in a confined space for a week we

were in a confined space for a week we

were in a confined space for a week we had two boys and two girls now I have to

had two boys and two girls now I have to

had two boys and two girls now I have to say the two girls that made me super

say the two girls that made me super

say the two girls that made me super happy because there are less than 15% of

happy because there are less than 15% of

happy because there are less than 15% of women in video game development so hey

women in video game development so hey

women in video game development so hey we were looking at a 50/50 ratio in our

we were looking at a 50/50 ratio in our

we were looking at a 50/50 ratio in our first week that’s kind of cool

first week that’s kind of cool

first week that’s kind of cool Rachel number one wanted to create a

Rachel number one wanted to create a

Rachel number one wanted to create a Minecraft Maze Runner

Minecraft Maze Runner

Minecraft Maze Runner you know minecraft all the rage with the

you know minecraft all the rage with the

you know minecraft all the rage with the kids these days Rachel number two she

kids these days Rachel number two she

kids these days Rachel number two she wanted to make a murder mystery with

wanted to make a murder mystery with

wanted to make a murder mystery with classic Star Trek characters who killed

classic Star Trek characters who killed

classic Star Trek characters who killed the Klingon ah that was so awesome

the Klingon ah that was so awesome

the Klingon ah that was so awesome in that first week we saw all of the

in that first week we saw all of the

in that first week we saw all of the bugs with our software did you know that

bugs with our software did you know that

bugs with our software did you know that we hadn’t prepared for more than one

we hadn’t prepared for more than one

we hadn’t prepared for more than one person to play a game one of our kids

person to play a game one of our kids

person to play a game one of our kids was named Spencer tester and boy did he

was named Spencer tester and boy did he

was named Spencer tester and boy did he ever test he tested the software and my

ever test he tested the software and my

ever test he tested the software and my patience but he was really fantastic and

patience but he was really fantastic and

patience but he was really fantastic and we learned so much in that first week in

we learned so much in that first week in

we learned so much in that first week in that second year we had made all of

that second year we had made all of

that second year we had made all of these improvements to the software and

these improvements to the software and

these improvements to the software and we started to teach more children now

we started to teach more children now

we started to teach more children now the thing is with linear storytelling

the thing is with linear storytelling

the thing is with linear storytelling we’re all used to reading a book from

we’re all used to reading a book from

we’re all used to reading a book from page one all the way to the end unless

page one all the way to the end unless

page one all the way to the end unless you’re one of those weird people that

you’re one of those weird people that

you’re one of those weird people that just goes right to the end because you

just goes right to the end because you

just goes right to the end because you want to know who done it we were

want to know who done it we were

want to know who done it we were teaching children how to be diverse

teaching children how to be diverse

teaching children how to be diverse thinkers and creating nonlinear

thinkers and creating nonlinear

thinkers and creating nonlinear narratives this is actually a picture of

narratives this is actually a picture of

narratives this is actually a picture of one of the games created by a child she

one of the games created by a child she

one of the games created by a child she was 12 years old and in her name is

was 12 years old and in her name is

was 12 years old and in her name is Zahra she created a mystery set in a

Zahra she created a mystery set in a

Zahra she created a mystery set in a castle setting now have to say the girls

castle setting now have to say the girls

castle setting now have to say the girls tended to create games that were

tended to create games that were

tended to create games that were friendlier and the boys more conflict

friendlier and the boys more conflict

friendlier and the boys more conflict based which I thought was a very

based which I thought was a very

based which I thought was a very interesting observation

interesting observation

interesting observation but in that second year the kids were

but in that second year the kids were

but in that second year the kids were able to play all of the games created by

able to play all of the games created by

able to play all of the games created by the kids and student in year 1 you see

the kids and student in year 1 you see

the kids and student in year 1 you see year 1 their benchmark was an hour long

year 1 their benchmark was an hour long

year 1 their benchmark was an hour long game that our professional designers had

game that our professional designers had

game that our professional designers had created so they had no idea that they

created so they had no idea that they

created so they had no idea that they thought they could create a 1 hour game

thought they could create a 1 hour game

thought they could create a 1 hour game in 20 hours of class but by the second

in 20 hours of class but by the second

in 20 hours of class but by the second year they were able to benchmark

year they were able to benchmark

year they were able to benchmark themselves against other 11 12 and 13

themselves against other 11 12 and 13

themselves against other 11 12 and 13 year old kids I can do that I can do

year old kids I can do that I can do

year old kids I can do that I can do that better so we were starting to see

that better so we were starting to see

that better so we were starting to see really cool things like voice overs and

really cool things like voice overs and

really cool things like voice overs and customization and stories that really

customization and stories that really

customization and stories that really blew our minds now here’s the remarkable

blew our minds now here’s the remarkable

blew our minds now here’s the remarkable thing there is incredible joy on a

thing there is incredible joy on a

thing there is incredible joy on a child’s face when they become engaged

child’s face when they become engaged

child’s face when they become engaged with what it is that they’re creating

with what it is that they’re creating

with what it is that they’re creating right now there’s a huge push in the

right now there’s a huge push in the

right now there’s a huge push in the education system for stem science

education system for stem science

education system for stem science technology engineering and math I feel

technology engineering and math I feel

technology engineering and math I feel like we’ve missed a really important

like we’ve missed a really important

like we’ve missed a really important piece of that a for the Arts steam what

piece of that a for the Arts steam what

piece of that a for the Arts steam what we were seeing was that children were so

we were seeing was that children were so

we were seeing was that children were so engaged in the act of storytelling and

engaged in the act of storytelling and

engaged in the act of storytelling and printing in that code they actually have

printing in that code they actually have

printing in that code they actually have to learn Lua script because all of that

to learn Lua script because all of that

to learn Lua script because all of that stuff they have to have the logic built

stuff they have to have the logic built

stuff they have to have the logic built in for that game to work that is the

in for that game to work that is the

in for that game to work that is the exact look on the face of a 13 year old

exact look on the face of a 13 year old

exact look on the face of a 13 year old girl named Maddie who coated for the

girl named Maddie who coated for the

girl named Maddie who coated for the first time and the tutorial box popped

first time and the tutorial box popped

first time and the tutorial box popped up and there was us it was amazing and

up and there was us it was amazing and

up and there was us it was amazing and then all of the other kids came to her

then all of the other kids came to her

then all of the other kids came to her for help with how to code we later would

for help with how to code we later would

for help with how to code we later would see that again with an eight-year-old I

see that again with an eight-year-old I

see that again with an eight-year-old I know no pets no plants no children what

know no pets no plants no children what

know no pets no plants no children what am I doing with your children earlier

am I doing with your children earlier

am I doing with your children earlier this year we were asked by Microsoft to

this year we were asked by Microsoft to

this year we were asked by Microsoft to come out to Vancouver and teach their

come out to Vancouver and teach their

come out to Vancouver and teach their employees children how to make games

employees children how to make games

employees children how to make games except these children were going to be

except these children were going to be

except these children were going to be between the ages of 8 and 12 and in fact

between the ages of 8 and 12 and in fact

between the ages of 8 and 12 and in fact they snuck a seven and a half year old

they snuck a seven and a half year old

they snuck a seven and a half year old in there I guess she was tall for her

in there I guess she was tall for her

in there I guess she was tall for her age that was an interesting experience

age that was an interesting experience

age that was an interesting experience so instead of having solo projects for

so instead of having solo projects for

so instead of having solo projects for each child we had to think about what

each child we had to think about what

each child we had to think about what would the outcome going to be you know

would the outcome going to be you know

would the outcome going to be you know as adults we’ve become very

as adults we’ve become very

as adults we’ve become very outcome oriented so my idea was that

outcome oriented so my idea was that

outcome oriented so my idea was that these children were coming for one week

these children were coming for one week

these children were coming for one week and they would have a game and then they

and they would have a game and then they

and they would have a game and then they would go home on Friday well this was

would go home on Friday well this was

would go home on Friday well this was gonna be a little bit different we had

gonna be a little bit different we had

gonna be a little bit different we had two groups of five girls

two groups of five girls

two groups of five girls I took the younger ones Blair took the

I took the younger ones Blair took the

I took the younger ones Blair took the older ones his team team shadow created

older ones his team team shadow created

older ones his team team shadow created an inverse world of the Disney stories

an inverse world of the Disney stories

an inverse world of the Disney stories where the bad guys won I thought that

where the bad guys won I thought that

where the bad guys won I thought that was kind of cool they’re all girls but

was kind of cool they’re all girls but

was kind of cool they’re all girls but they wanted like the deep gory stuff and

they wanted like the deep gory stuff and

they wanted like the deep gory stuff and my adorable children wanted to create

my adorable children wanted to create

my adorable children wanted to create the adventures of Finn and GAC’s they

the adventures of Finn and GAC’s they

the adventures of Finn and GAC’s they were going to go on a picnic in the

were going to go on a picnic in the

were going to go on a picnic in the woods and meet super monkey super kitty

woods and meet super monkey super kitty

woods and meet super monkey super kitty and Julio the big bad wolf and at the

and Julio the big bad wolf and at the

and Julio the big bad wolf and at the end of the game there was going to be

end of the game there was going to be

end of the game there was going to be three swirling portals and you could

three swirling portals and you could

three swirling portals and you could choose what happy ending that you were

choose what happy ending that you were

choose what happy ending that you were going to have now in entrepreneurship

going to have now in entrepreneurship

going to have now in entrepreneurship you are going to experience highs and

you are going to experience highs and

you are going to experience highs and lows and some surprises so imagine my

lows and some surprises so imagine my

lows and some surprises so imagine my surprise when my seven and a half year

surprise when my seven and a half year

surprise when my seven and a half year old in the group says I want to jump

old in the group says I want to jump

old in the group says I want to jump scare in the game a jump scare and she

scare in the game a jump scare and she

scare in the game a jump scare and she proceeds to draw what I can only

proceeds to draw what I can only

proceeds to draw what I can only describe as a disturbing bloody doll

and then the other girls say I want to

and then the other girls say I want to have a doll in there too and then the

have a doll in there too and then the

have a doll in there too and then the other and then the other and then the

other and then the other and then the

other and then the other and then the other so now I have five creepy looking

other so now I have five creepy looking

other so now I have five creepy looking dolls and they’re like Jean can you pick

dolls and they’re like Jean can you pick

dolls and they’re like Jean can you pick the best one

my goodness so we put them all in if you

my goodness so we put them all in if you pick the yellow portal that is where

pick the yellow portal that is where

pick the yellow portal that is where you’re going to have the creepy dolls

you’re going to have the creepy dolls

you’re going to have the creepy dolls that your children drew I did not

that your children drew I did not

that your children drew I did not encourage this this is your children

encourage this this is your children

encourage this this is your children however I may have been strategic in

however I may have been strategic in

however I may have been strategic in placing the creepy renditions for added

placing the creepy renditions for added

placing the creepy renditions for added effects now I will tell you they were

effects now I will tell you they were

effects now I will tell you they were audible gasps when I showed them this

because those children we assume that

because those children we assume that girls aren’t into horror but

girls aren’t into horror but

girls aren’t into horror but surprisingly they were really into

surprisingly they were really into

surprisingly they were really into horror you know we want to lump them

horror you know we want to lump them

horror you know we want to lump them into unicorns and fairies and princesses

into unicorns and fairies and princesses

into unicorns and fairies and princesses know they these are actually the tamer

know they these are actually the tamer

know they these are actually the tamer ones these are the tamer ones but these

ones these are the tamer ones but these

ones these are the tamer ones but these are the surprises that we had not

are the surprises that we had not

are the surprises that we had not anticipated as educators that these kids

anticipated as educators that these kids

anticipated as educators that these kids were gonna be like really into creepy

were gonna be like really into creepy

were gonna be like really into creepy stuff I thought that was kind of cool it

stuff I thought that was kind of cool it

stuff I thought that was kind of cool it surprised me how engaged they were their

surprised me how engaged they were their

surprised me how engaged they were their parents of the eight year old said you

parents of the eight year old said you

parents of the eight year old said you know my kid goes to camp for one day and

know my kid goes to camp for one day and

know my kid goes to camp for one day and she’s bored but you got them engaged for

she’s bored but you got them engaged for

she’s bored but you got them engaged for five days and it’s not a magic of who we

five days and it’s not a magic of who we

five days and it’s not a magic of who we are as educators it’s a magic of that

are as educators it’s a magic of that

are as educators it’s a magic of that engagement because now you have that

engagement because now you have that

engagement because now you have that child who’s really excited to see this

child who’s really excited to see this

child who’s really excited to see this thing come to life it’s their story it’s

thing come to life it’s their story it’s

thing come to life it’s their story it’s their words and it’s their magic you

their words and it’s their magic you

their words and it’s their magic you know at the end of each camp we sit down

know at the end of each camp we sit down

know at the end of each camp we sit down each of our kids and we say so what did

each of our kids and we say so what did

each of our kids and we say so what did you think would you do it again and what

you think would you do it again and what

you think would you do it again and what they all say is it was harder than

they all say is it was harder than

they all say is it was harder than anything I’d ever done in school and it

anything I’d ever done in school and it

anything I’d ever done in school and it kind of was scary looking on the Monday

kind of was scary looking on the Monday

kind of was scary looking on the Monday right just like anything else in life

right just like anything else in life

right just like anything else in life when you get started it’s scary if you

when you get started it’s scary if you

when you get started it’s scary if you had asked me four years ago to run a

had asked me four years ago to run a

had asked me four years ago to run a tech startup and go through months of

tech startup and go through months of

tech startup and go through months of lean times would I have done it years of

lean times would I have done it years of

lean times would I have done it years of lean times even I don’t know it’s scary

lean times even I don’t know it’s scary

lean times even I don’t know it’s scary and it’s the unknown but these kids

and it’s the unknown but these kids

and it’s the unknown but these kids prove to us that if you work hard

prove to us that if you work hard

prove to us that if you work hard there’s something really valuable that’s

there’s something really valuable that’s

there’s something really valuable that’s going to come at the end of it and so

going to come at the end of it and so

going to come at the end of it and so their advice to the incoming students

their advice to the incoming students

their advice to the incoming students was it looks scary but it’s not and it’s

was it looks scary but it’s not and it’s

was it looks scary but it’s not and it’s really kind of cool we also learned that

really kind of cool we also learned that

really kind of cool we also learned that there is magic and helping people see

there is magic and helping people see

there is magic and helping people see what’s possible when you’re in a

what’s possible when you’re in a

what’s possible when you’re in a traditional classroom environment and

traditional classroom environment and

traditional classroom environment and you have one teacher for twenty eight to

you have one teacher for twenty eight to

you have one teacher for twenty eight to thirty students they don’t get that

thirty students they don’t get that

thirty students they don’t get that connection with you and they want to be

connection with you and they want to be

connection with you and they want to be connected the other thing is I as a very

connected the other thing is I as a very

connected the other thing is I as a very business minded person providing this

business minded person providing this

business minded person providing this service

service

service was completely oblivious to the fact

was completely oblivious to the fact

was completely oblivious to the fact that they wanted to make friends with

that they wanted to make friends with

that they wanted to make friends with each other I know right they actually

each other I know right they actually

each other I know right they actually liked each other oh that’s an

liked each other oh that’s an

liked each other oh that’s an interesting thing because it was very

interesting thing because it was very

interesting thing because it was very adult very adult I read something online

adult very adult I read something online

adult very adult I read something online that says that at five years old we use

that says that at five years old we use

that says that at five years old we use 80% of our creativity and by the time we

80% of our creativity and by the time we

80% of our creativity and by the time we reach 12 it’s 2% and that it stays at 2%

reach 12 it’s 2% and that it stays at 2%

reach 12 it’s 2% and that it stays at 2% for the rest of our lives now I read

for the rest of our lives now I read

for the rest of our lives now I read this and I thought that can’t be true

this and I thought that can’t be true

this and I thought that can’t be true that cannot be true I looked for proof

that cannot be true I looked for proof

that cannot be true I looked for proof to refute it something to prove it and I

to refute it something to prove it and I

to refute it something to prove it and I couldn’t I just found somebody repeating

couldn’t I just found somebody repeating

couldn’t I just found somebody repeating the same thing over and over again

the same thing over and over again

the same thing over and over again because you know it’s the Internet but

because you know it’s the Internet but

because you know it’s the Internet but deep down inside I have to wonder if

deep down inside I have to wonder if

deep down inside I have to wonder if it’s true because I don’t see a lot of

it’s true because I don’t see a lot of

it’s true because I don’t see a lot of adults engaging in creativity and when

adults engaging in creativity and when

adults engaging in creativity and when we are in creativity we are in joy when

we are in creativity we are in joy when

we are in creativity we are in joy when is the last time that you were fully

is the last time that you were fully

is the last time that you were fully creative you know we have our knitting

creative you know we have our knitting

creative you know we have our knitting bombers like we’re yeah knit and you

bombers like we’re yeah knit and you

bombers like we’re yeah knit and you throw it on a tree that’s kind of

throw it on a tree that’s kind of

throw it on a tree that’s kind of creative maybe you’re really into fancy

creative maybe you’re really into fancy

creative maybe you’re really into fancy artisanal cheeses well if you’re making

artisanal cheeses well if you’re making

artisanal cheeses well if you’re making them that’s creative but from their

them that’s creative but from their

them that’s creative but from their day-to-day lives we are so caught up in

day-to-day lives we are so caught up in

day-to-day lives we are so caught up in our mortgages and our relationships and

our mortgages and our relationships and

our mortgages and our relationships and our jobs and all of that stress that we

our jobs and all of that stress that we

our jobs and all of that stress that we have forgotten to have joy and

have forgotten to have joy and

have forgotten to have joy and creativity and working with those kids

creativity and working with those kids

creativity and working with those kids reminded me of how lacking in creativity

reminded me of how lacking in creativity

reminded me of how lacking in creativity that the stand-up comedian was until I

that the stand-up comedian was until I

that the stand-up comedian was until I started creating my own games and I see

started creating my own games and I see

started creating my own games and I see that in other adult writers they want to

that in other adult writers they want to

that in other adult writers they want to create too because everybody has a story

create too because everybody has a story

create too because everybody has a story what I realized was that we weren’t just

what I realized was that we weren’t just

what I realized was that we weren’t just building a technology company we were

building a technology company we were

building a technology company we were building a dream we were building a

building a dream we were building a

building a dream we were building a story machine and we each have stories

story machine and we each have stories

story machine and we each have stories to tell

to tell

to tell what’s yours

you

you [Music]

”

Be First to Comment

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *