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Never Give Up: A Lesson from a USS Indianapolis Survivor | Robert Cantrell | TEDxAshburnSalon


have you ever chased a dragon yeah and

have you ever chased a dragon yeah and by that I mean pursued a risky venture

by that I mean pursued a risky venture

by that I mean pursued a risky venture voluntarily got a little bit more than

voluntarily got a little bit more than

voluntarily got a little bit more than you bargained for yeah how did it go I

you bargained for yeah how did it go I

you bargained for yeah how did it go I saw a couple hands raised okay on the

saw a couple hands raised okay on the

saw a couple hands raised okay on the night of June 1st 2011 on the edge of

night of June 1st 2011 on the edge of

night of June 1st 2011 on the edge of the continental shelf I found myself at

the continental shelf I found myself at

the continental shelf I found myself at night face to face with the most

night face to face with the most

night face to face with the most dangerous of all sharks the oceanic

dangerous of all sharks the oceanic

dangerous of all sharks the oceanic whitetip the shark of the world war ii

whitetip the shark of the world war ii

whitetip the shark of the world war ii sea disasters and this is exactly what I

sea disasters and this is exactly what I

sea disasters and this is exactly what I wanted how did I get there began with a

wanted how did I get there began with a

wanted how did I get there began with a corporate downsizing knocked me out of

corporate downsizing knocked me out of

corporate downsizing knocked me out of my ordinary world I needed a change so I

my ordinary world I needed a change so I

my ordinary world I needed a change so I decided to take an adventure I gathered

decided to take an adventure I gathered

decided to take an adventure I gathered a team and we did the first-ever night

a team and we did the first-ever night

a team and we did the first-ever night dive outside of a shark cage with

dive outside of a shark cage with

dive outside of a shark cage with multiple oceanic whitetip sharks in

multiple oceanic whitetip sharks in

multiple oceanic whitetip sharks in history this was the last dive that was

history this was the last dive that was

history this was the last dive that was left undone with the marquee dangerous

left undone with the marquee dangerous

left undone with the marquee dangerous sharks my inspiration for this dive was

sharks my inspiration for this dive was

sharks my inspiration for this dive was a man named Peter gimble he did the

a man named Peter gimble he did the

a man named Peter gimble he did the granddaddy of all shark documentaries I

granddaddy of all shark documentaries I

granddaddy of all shark documentaries I don’t know if anybody here has heard of

don’t know if anybody here has heard of

don’t know if anybody here has heard of blue water white death they search for

blue water white death they search for

blue water white death they search for the great white shark it’s a film that

the great white shark it’s a film that

the great white shark it’s a film that came out in 1969 it was one of the films

came out in 1969 it was one of the films

came out in 1969 it was one of the films that inspired jaws so in in 1969 Peter

that inspired jaws so in in 1969 Peter

that inspired jaws so in in 1969 Peter gimble and his team left their shark

gimble and his team left their shark

gimble and his team left their shark cages to swim among hundreds of oceanic

cages to swim among hundreds of oceanic

cages to swim among hundreds of oceanic whitetip sharks underneath harpoon sperm

whitetip sharks underneath harpoon sperm

whitetip sharks underneath harpoon sperm whales that ended up being the signature

whales that ended up being the signature

whales that ended up being the signature scene of the film even though they found

scene of the film even though they found

scene of the film even though they found white sharks at the end because the

white sharks at the end because the

white sharks at the end because the people were exposed they were vulnerable

people were exposed they were vulnerable

people were exposed they were vulnerable well gamble regretted that he didn’t

well gamble regretted that he didn’t

well gamble regretted that he didn’t leave a shark cage at night he told

leave a shark cage at night he told

leave a shark cage at night he told author Peter Matheson recorded his word

author Peter Matheson recorded his word

author Peter Matheson recorded his word he said I regret now that I did it would

he said I regret now that I did it would

he said I regret now that I did it would have made all the difference in our

have made all the difference in our

have made all the difference in our night sequence and it turned out that

night sequence and it turned out that

night sequence and it turned out that four decades later still no one had done

four decades later still no one had done

four decades later still no one had done that particular dive where did it lead

that particular dive where did it lead

that particular dive where did it lead well it led me to meet surviving members

well it led me to meet surviving members

well it led me to meet surviving members of Gimbels team it led me to meet member

of Gimbels team it led me to meet member

of Gimbels team it led me to meet member the jaws team and allow me to meet

the jaws team and allow me to meet

the jaws team and allow me to meet survivors of the USS Indianapolis men

survivors of the USS Indianapolis men

survivors of the USS Indianapolis men who had faced this shark under dire

who had faced this shark under dire

who had faced this shark under dire circumstances including the oceanic

circumstances including the oceanic

circumstances including the oceanic whitetip horror for the Indianapolis

whitetip horror for the Indianapolis

whitetip horror for the Indianapolis began on the just after midnight on July

began on the just after midnight on July

began on the just after midnight on July 30th 1945 over the deep waters of the

30th 1945 over the deep waters of the

30th 1945 over the deep waters of the Marianas Basin the Philippine Sea two

Marianas Basin the Philippine Sea two

Marianas Basin the Philippine Sea two torpedoes slammed into the starboard

torpedoes slammed into the starboard

torpedoes slammed into the starboard side of the ship twin blasts radiated

side of the ship twin blasts radiated

side of the ship twin blasts radiated outward shearing off the bow and blowing

outward shearing off the bow and blowing

outward shearing off the bow and blowing a hole underneath the forward turnips

a hole underneath the forward turnips

a hole underneath the forward turnips seawater rushed in the moving ship’s

seawater rushed in the moving ship’s

seawater rushed in the moving ship’s goods being water by the ton

goods being water by the ton

goods being water by the ton twelve minutes later mile from where it

twelve minutes later mile from where it

twelve minutes later mile from where it was hit screws still slowly turning the

was hit screws still slowly turning the

was hit screws still slowly turning the ship rolled onto its side and began to

ship rolled onto its side and began to

ship rolled onto its side and began to sink at the bow the stern rose high

sink at the bow the stern rose high

sink at the bow the stern rose high bobbed there for a time and the ship

bobbed there for a time and the ship

bobbed there for a time and the ship began its descent three miles to the

began its descent three miles to the

began its descent three miles to the øresund floor below the Indianapolis

øresund floor below the Indianapolis

øresund floor below the Indianapolis was already guaranteed a footnote in

was already guaranteed a footnote in

was already guaranteed a footnote in history a ship and their crew had

history a ship and their crew had

history a ship and their crew had delivered the bomb the atomic bomb the

delivered the bomb the atomic bomb the

delivered the bomb the atomic bomb the Hiroshima Banda Tinian and then the

Hiroshima Banda Tinian and then the

Hiroshima Banda Tinian and then the tragedy came for the crew 1196 men had

tragedy came for the crew 1196 men had

tragedy came for the crew 1196 men had been aboard the ship when it was hit

been aboard the ship when it was hit

been aboard the ship when it was hit perhaps 900 survived the sinking 400 may

perhaps 900 survived the sinking 400 may

perhaps 900 survived the sinking 400 may still have been alive when they were

still have been alive when they were

still have been alive when they were finally spotted from the air after four

finally spotted from the air after four

finally spotted from the air after four days adrift 322 were rescued 317

days adrift 322 were rescued 317

days adrift 322 were rescued 317 survived one of those survivors that I

survived one of those survivors that I

survived one of those survivors that I met Richard Hale and I learned had

met Richard Hale and I learned had

met Richard Hale and I learned had joined the Navy at 17 in order to avoid

joined the Navy at 17 in order to avoid

joined the Navy at 17 in order to avoid being drafted in the army nor to avoid

being drafted in the army nor to avoid

being drafted in the army nor to avoid being drafted in the army at 18 this was

being drafted in the army at 18 this was

being drafted in the army at 18 this was born from his interest in the sea and

born from his interest in the sea and

born from his interest in the sea and also his plans that survived the war the

also his plans that survived the war the

also his plans that survived the war the Navy was the safer bet and a few months

Navy was the safer bet and a few months

Navy was the safer bet and a few months later he found himself adrift held

later he found himself adrift held

later he found himself adrift held afloat in the end by three soggy kapok

afloat in the end by three soggy kapok

afloat in the end by three soggy kapok life vests he had been in a group he’d

life vests he had been in a group he’d

life vests he had been in a group he’d been in the water he’d been a group of

been in the water he’d been a group of

been in the water he’d been a group of 80 people in the beginning by the time

80 people in the beginning by the time

80 people in the beginning by the time he was rescued

he was rescued

he was rescued there were 12 left Richard told me about

there were 12 left Richard told me about

there were 12 left Richard told me about his third day adrift and he said

his third day adrift and he said

his third day adrift and he said hopefully I’ll get his words right he

hopefully I’ll get his words right he

hopefully I’ll get his words right he said well I figured it’s only a matter

said well I figured it’s only a matter

said well I figured it’s only a matter of time they’re gonna get me or I’m

of time they’re gonna get me or I’m

of time they’re gonna get me or I’m gonna give up or something I didn’t give

gonna give up or something I didn’t give

gonna give up or something I didn’t give up but I thought I would crack I would

up but I thought I would crack I would

up but I thought I would crack I would drink the water as you said and drink

drink the water as you said and drink

drink the water as you said and drink the water a shark would get me I didn’t

the water a shark would get me I didn’t

the water a shark would get me I didn’t give up in the terms of giving out but I

give up in the terms of giving out but I

give up in the terms of giving out but I didn’t think I was going to make it

didn’t think I was going to make it

didn’t think I was going to make it because men are dying all around you and

because men are dying all around you and

because men are dying all around you and I figured hell I’m gonna be one of them

I figured hell I’m gonna be one of them

I figured hell I’m gonna be one of them too richer would not talk about his

too richer would not talk about his

too richer would not talk about his experience for 30 years when he finally

experience for 30 years when he finally

experience for 30 years when he finally did talk about it he like many of the

did talk about it he like many of the

did talk about it he like many of the other survivors anchored on a simple

other survivors anchored on a simple

other survivors anchored on a simple message never give up and he told me he

message never give up and he told me he

message never give up and he told me he said I’ve got letters from school kids

said I’ve got letters from school kids

said I’ve got letters from school kids in a box and people asked me why do you

in a box and people asked me why do you

in a box and people asked me why do you why do you go to school to talk and so

why do you go to school to talk and so

why do you go to school to talk and so well you read those letters then you’ll

well you read those letters then you’ll

well you read those letters then you’ll then you’ll know because my theory is

then you’ll know because my theory is

then you’ll know because my theory is not giving up I had trouble when I come

not giving up I had trouble when I come

not giving up I had trouble when I come home with my family and my by myself

home with my family and my by myself

home with my family and my by myself that I never give up it’ll carry the

that I never give up it’ll carry the

that I never give up it’ll carry the rest your life you know what I’m trying

rest your life you know what I’m trying

rest your life you know what I’m trying to say to you when my adventure became

to say to you when my adventure became

to say to you when my adventure became the cornerstone of reinventing my career

the cornerstone of reinventing my career

the cornerstone of reinventing my career I asked myself what is never giving up

I asked myself what is never giving up

I asked myself what is never giving up really mean and while it’s easy to

really mean and while it’s easy to

really mean and while it’s easy to understand in the terms and richer stems

understand in the terms and richer stems

understand in the terms and richer stems and the terms of survival what would it

and the terms of survival what would it

and the terms of survival what would it mean in terms of of other things no

mean in terms of of other things no

mean in terms of of other things no matter the scale of the accomplish or

matter the scale of the accomplish or

matter the scale of the accomplish or the the challenge because as I found

the the challenge because as I found

the the challenge because as I found that reinventing my career came with its

that reinventing my career came with its

that reinventing my career came with its own style of challenges trying to move

own style of challenges trying to move

own style of challenges trying to move forward when it was easier to move

forward when it was easier to move

forward when it was easier to move backwards I account coined a term

backwards I account coined a term

backwards I account coined a term tongue-in-cheek I called it how to how

tongue-in-cheek I called it how to how

tongue-in-cheek I called it how to how to never give up without going Ahab and

to never give up without going Ahab and

to never give up without going Ahab and you may know a hobbies the captain ahab

you may know a hobbies the captain ahab

you may know a hobbies the captain ahab from he was a guy who pastored the great

from he was a guy who pastored the great

from he was a guy who pastored the great white whale in the classic novel Moby

white whale in the classic novel Moby

white whale in the classic novel Moby Dick

Dick

Dick well his vengeance was reprised by Quint

well his vengeance was reprised by Quint

well his vengeance was reprised by Quint in the movie Jaws and Quint be in the

in the movie Jaws and Quint be in the

in the movie Jaws and Quint be in the fictional USS Indianapolis survivor who

fictional USS Indianapolis survivor who

fictional USS Indianapolis survivor who spoke to vengeance whereas most of the

spoke to vengeance whereas most of the

spoke to vengeance whereas most of the the survivors had had taken to silence

the survivors had had taken to silence

the survivors had had taken to silence but but I thought about it and I thought

but but I thought about it and I thought

but but I thought about it and I thought about his message and and I looked and I

about his message and and I looked and I

about his message and and I looked and I saw that my own career had traces of

saw that my own career had traces of

saw that my own career had traces of Ahab ie when I got out of the army I

Ahab ie when I got out of the army I

Ahab ie when I got out of the army I pursued lofty goals when I still

pursued lofty goals when I still

pursued lofty goals when I still believed that I could do anything and

believed that I could do anything and

believed that I could do anything and one of those first assignments what

one of those first assignments what

one of those first assignments what anything was the first time was a new

anything was the first time was a new

anything was the first time was a new business assignment in New York City

business assignment in New York City

business assignment in New York City where I was going to attempt to succeed

where I was going to attempt to succeed

where I was going to attempt to succeed where eleven other sales representatives

where eleven other sales representatives

where eleven other sales representatives were failing two of us sold anything

were failing two of us sold anything

were failing two of us sold anything that year so our reward was we got a

that year so our reward was we got a

that year so our reward was we got a chance to do it again the next year but

chance to do it again the next year but

chance to do it again the next year but for half the Commission’s the other ten

for half the Commission’s the other ten

for half the Commission’s the other ten were sent packing and so what did I do

were sent packing and so what did I do

were sent packing and so what did I do I tried again it went poorly this was my

I tried again it went poorly this was my

I tried again it went poorly this was my first experience in business with what I

first experience in business with what I

first experience in business with what I called the wall the the impossible goal

called the wall the the impossible goal

called the wall the the impossible goal and I knew that in in my own life I had

and I knew that in in my own life I had

and I knew that in in my own life I had I was predisposed I didn’t know it at

I was predisposed I didn’t know it at

I was predisposed I didn’t know it at the time to charge walls if I didn’t

the time to charge walls if I didn’t

the time to charge walls if I didn’t help that in my own experience in the

help that in my own experience in the

help that in my own experience in the military my mission had the big one

military my mission had the big one

military my mission had the big one happened would have been to fight Soviet

happened would have been to fight Soviet

happened would have been to fight Soviet tanks and artillery from a none armored

tanks and artillery from a none armored

tanks and artillery from a none armored Humvee and and later to parachute into

Humvee and and later to parachute into

Humvee and and later to parachute into Norway yeah assuming that country was

Norway yeah assuming that country was

Norway yeah assuming that country was going to be overrun neither these

going to be overrun neither these

going to be overrun neither these scenarios played well particularly well

scenarios played well particularly well

scenarios played well particularly well in the in the war games

in the in the war games

in the in the war games and I also think about my senior quote

and I also think about my senior quote

and I also think about my senior quote where I said never say it can’t be done

where I said never say it can’t be done

where I said never say it can’t be done because anything is possible if you give

because anything is possible if you give

because anything is possible if you give it your all noble perhaps true

it your all noble perhaps true

it your all noble perhaps true absolutely not and so I realized that I

absolutely not and so I realized that I

absolutely not and so I realized that I had learned the lesson how to succeed or

had learned the lesson how to succeed or

had learned the lesson how to succeed or what I could do to succeed years before

what I could do to succeed years before

what I could do to succeed years before if I was only willing to listen my army

if I was only willing to listen my army

if I was only willing to listen my army CEO once gave me and my team of five

CEO once gave me and my team of five

CEO once gave me and my team of five others a very simple mission the mission

others a very simple mission the mission

others a very simple mission the mission was to take a two and a half ton truck

was to take a two and a half ton truck

was to take a two and a half ton truck and push it many miles down a dirt road

and push it many miles down a dirt road

and push it many miles down a dirt road on the clock get it up onto an Arras

on the clock get it up onto an Arras

on the clock get it up onto an Arras trip and across the finish line what I

trip and across the finish line what I

trip and across the finish line what I didn’t know was the purpose behind this

didn’t know was the purpose behind this

didn’t know was the purpose behind this mission the purpose behind this mission

mission the purpose behind this mission

mission the purpose behind this mission was to see how I and my team would

was to see how I and my team would

was to see how I and my team would handle failure because no team in all

handle failure because no team in all

handle failure because no team in all the years of this exercise had ever

the years of this exercise had ever

the years of this exercise had ever gotten that truck up on over the lip

gotten that truck up on over the lip

gotten that truck up on over the lip that surrounds the entire airfield and

that surrounds the entire airfield and

that surrounds the entire airfield and onto the airstrip and across the finish

onto the airstrip and across the finish

onto the airstrip and across the finish line but I had insight that no one else

line but I had insight that no one else

line but I had insight that no one else had I knew from working out by pushing

had I knew from working out by pushing

had I knew from working out by pushing my pickup truck around an open field

my pickup truck around an open field

my pickup truck around an open field that your legs are a lot stronger when

that your legs are a lot stronger when

that your legs are a lot stronger when you kind of get on the bumper and extend

you kind of get on the bumper and extend

you kind of get on the bumper and extend versus finally do it the traditional way

versus finally do it the traditional way

versus finally do it the traditional way of getting behind it and pushing so I

of getting behind it and pushing so I

of getting behind it and pushing so I got my team on the front bumper of that

got my team on the front bumper of that

got my team on the front bumper of that truck and we got it up over that lip so

truck and we got it up over that lip so

truck and we got it up over that lip so easily we had no idea we were supposed

easily we had no idea we were supposed

easily we had no idea we were supposed to fail so what did I do with that

to fail so what did I do with that

to fail so what did I do with that insight for the next two decades in a

insight for the next two decades in a

insight for the next two decades in a few more years I went right ahead

few more years I went right ahead

few more years I went right ahead charging walls and then I met Richard

charging walls and then I met Richard

charging walls and then I met Richard and I asked myself again what does it

and I asked myself again what does it

and I asked myself again what does it really mean to never give up I remember

really mean to never give up I remember

really mean to never give up I remember what he had told me about his time and

what he had told me about his time and

what he had told me about his time and never giving up from his experience

never giving up from his experience

never giving up from his experience being in the water and also his life

being in the water and also his life

being in the water and also his life afterward and I realized that never

afterward and I realized that never

afterward and I realized that never giving up means three things the first

giving up means three things the first

giving up means three things the first is survival straight up the second is

is survival straight up the second is

is survival straight up the second is justice and the third is ambition

justice and the third is ambition

justice and the third is ambition Richard however his experience was

Richard however his experience was

Richard however his experience was driven by misfortune mine and a halves

driven by misfortune mine and a halves

driven by misfortune mine and a halves were driven by choice but each has one

were driven by choice but each has one

were driven by choice but each has one thing in common each offers a chance if

thing in common each offers a chance if

thing in common each offers a chance if there is a chance because truth be told

there is a chance because truth be told

there is a chance because truth be told sometimes there isn’t a chance

sometimes there isn’t a chance

sometimes there isn’t a chance so never giving up guarantees nothing

so never giving up guarantees nothing

so never giving up guarantees nothing but it does offer a chance if there’s a

but it does offer a chance if there’s a

but it does offer a chance if there’s a chance to be had and in more dire

chance to be had and in more dire

chance to be had and in more dire circumstances perhaps it offers hope so

circumstances perhaps it offers hope so

circumstances perhaps it offers hope so I thought about the challenge that

I thought about the challenge that

I thought about the challenge that brought me to meet Richard and

brought me to meet Richard and

brought me to meet Richard and what happened to me is I my industry

what happened to me is I my industry

what happened to me is I my industry change out the financial crisis so I had

change out the financial crisis so I had

change out the financial crisis so I had to reinvent myself make a new career so

to reinvent myself make a new career so

to reinvent myself make a new career so what did I do

what did I do

what did I do well I gathered a team got together and

well I gathered a team got together and

well I gathered a team got together and we went and did the first night dive

we went and did the first night dive

we went and did the first night dive among multiple oceanic whitetip sharks

among multiple oceanic whitetip sharks

among multiple oceanic whitetip sharks the most dangerous of all sharks the

the most dangerous of all sharks the

the most dangerous of all sharks the shark of the world war ii sea disasters

and it kind of worked out but after that

and it kind of worked out but after that I finally thought about that truck and

I finally thought about that truck and

I finally thought about that truck and it’s not that I wanted to pursue easy

it’s not that I wanted to pursue easy

it’s not that I wanted to pursue easy tasks nobody had gotten that truck up

tasks nobody had gotten that truck up

tasks nobody had gotten that truck up that runway for years but I wanted to

that runway for years but I wanted to

that runway for years but I wanted to pursue tasks that were easy for me where

pursue tasks that were easy for me where

pursue tasks that were easy for me where I could do the seemingly impossible and

I could do the seemingly impossible and

I could do the seemingly impossible and still succeed and where the prospect of

still succeed and where the prospect of

still succeed and where the prospect of giving up novello longer loomed so large

giving up novello longer loomed so large

giving up novello longer loomed so large and that’s what I wanted to share

and that’s what I wanted to share

and that’s what I wanted to share tonight thank you

tonight thank you

tonight thank you [Applause]

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