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Arctic Ice Management | Steven Desch | TEDxASU


hi thank you for letting me speak to you

hi thank you for letting me speak to you tonight about Arctic ice management

tonight about Arctic ice management

tonight about Arctic ice management which is a term I coined which means two

which is a term I coined which means two

which is a term I coined which means two things to me it means a call to arms to

things to me it means a call to arms to

things to me it means a call to arms to do something to preserve and restore the

do something to preserve and restore the

do something to preserve and restore the sea ice in the Arctic and also a

sea ice in the Arctic and also a

sea ice in the Arctic and also a possible means of doing so you may be

possible means of doing so you may be

possible means of doing so you may be wondering Steve you are an

wondering Steve you are an

wondering Steve you are an astrophysicist you are a planetary

astrophysicist you are a planetary

astrophysicist you are a planetary scientist what are you doing talking

scientist what are you doing talking

scientist what are you doing talking about the Arctic is so far away

about the Arctic is so far away

about the Arctic is so far away especially from Arizona we in the desert

especially from Arizona we in the desert

especially from Arizona we in the desert maybe you have a romantic notion of the

maybe you have a romantic notion of the

maybe you have a romantic notion of the Arctic as I do it is this distant place

Arctic as I do it is this distant place

Arctic as I do it is this distant place you know nobody even visited the Arctic

you know nobody even visited the Arctic

you know nobody even visited the Arctic the North Pole until 1926 so it’s only

the North Pole until 1926 so it’s only

the North Pole until 1926 so it’s only been a century that people have explored

been a century that people have explored

been a century that people have explored its full extent and it seems as a place

its full extent and it seems as a place

its full extent and it seems as a place that is ancient and unchanging and

that is ancient and unchanging and

that is ancient and unchanging and difficult to cross and so we may

difficult to cross and so we may

difficult to cross and so we may remember that there were people who are

remember that there were people who are

remember that there were people who are attempting to go through the Northwest

attempting to go through the Northwest

attempting to go through the Northwest Passage –is these areas in the

Passage –is these areas in the

Passage –is these areas in the northwest part of Canada for centuries

northwest part of Canada for centuries

northwest part of Canada for centuries and this is a depiction of the 1830’s

and this is a depiction of the 1830’s

and this is a depiction of the 1830’s attempt where a ship is mired in the ice

attempt where a ship is mired in the ice

attempt where a ship is mired in the ice and in 1845 the doomed expedition of

and in 1845 the doomed expedition of

and in 1845 the doomed expedition of Franklin this is not an easy place to

Franklin this is not an easy place to

Franklin this is not an easy place to get to

get to

get to we think it’s formidable ancient

we think it’s formidable ancient

we think it’s formidable ancient unchanging but it’s not it is changing

unchanging but it’s not it is changing

unchanging but it’s not it is changing rapidly this is a more recent picture of

rapidly this is a more recent picture of

rapidly this is a more recent picture of the Nordic Orion which is a cargo ship

the Nordic Orion which is a cargo ship

the Nordic Orion which is a cargo ship which in 2013 carried coal from

which in 2013 carried coal from

which in 2013 carried coal from Vancouver through the Northwest Passage

Vancouver through the Northwest Passage

Vancouver through the Northwest Passage to Finland and even more recently last

to Finland and even more recently last

to Finland and even more recently last September you could have booked a cruise

September you could have booked a cruise

September you could have booked a cruise on the Crystal serenity cruise ship

on the Crystal serenity cruise ship

on the Crystal serenity cruise ship which went through the Northwest Passage

which went through the Northwest Passage

which went through the Northwest Passage –is something that people had tried for

–is something that people had tried for

–is something that people had tried for centuries to do but is now something

centuries to do but is now something

centuries to do but is now something that can be done for tourism things are

that can be done for tourism things are

that can be done for tourism things are changing the Arctic rapidly the passages

changing the Arctic rapidly the passages

changing the Arctic rapidly the passages are open it’s an historic event we are

are open it’s an historic event we are

are open it’s an historic event we are going to see this more and more as the

going to see this more and more as the

going to see this more and more as the years go by says the director of the

years go by says the director of the

years go by says the director of the national snow and ice data center what

national snow and ice data center what

national snow and ice data center what is changing the Arctic is simple to

is changing the Arctic is simple to

is changing the Arctic is simple to understand the Arctic is melting as

understand the Arctic is melting as

understand the Arctic is melting as climate change is happening and

climate change is happening and

climate change is happening and temperatures are increasing we have

temperatures are increasing we have

temperatures are increasing we have increasingly less ice in the Arctic this

increasingly less ice in the Arctic this

increasingly less ice in the Arctic this is a graph depicting the amount of ice

is a graph depicting the amount of ice

is a graph depicting the amount of ice the volume of ice in thousands of cubic

the volume of ice in thousands of cubic

the volume of ice in thousands of cubic kilometers versus every month of the

kilometers versus every month of the

kilometers versus every month of the year

year

year so this is

so this is

so this is the normal trend this is the average

the normal trend this is the average

the normal trend this is the average from the 80s and 90s and to thousands of

from the 80s and 90s and to thousands of

from the 80s and 90s and to thousands of how much ice there is in January it is

how much ice there is in January it is

how much ice there is in January it is maximized at the end of Arctic winter in

maximized at the end of Arctic winter in

maximized at the end of Arctic winter in April it melts during the summer and is

April it melts during the summer and is

April it melts during the summer and is a minimum in September and then it

a minimum in September and then it

a minimum in September and then it freezes again during the Arctic winter

freezes again during the Arctic winter

freezes again during the Arctic winter and the gray band denotes the the

and the gray band denotes the the

and the gray band denotes the the average amount and what is normal the 1

average amount and what is normal the 1

average amount and what is normal the 1 into Sigma levels these colored lines

into Sigma levels these colored lines

into Sigma levels these colored lines show the results from the 7 most recent

show the results from the 7 most recent

show the results from the 7 most recent years and you can see that every year

years and you can see that every year

years and you can see that every year less ice exists in the winter less ice

less ice exists in the winter less ice

less ice exists in the winter less ice freezes in the winter more ice melts in

freezes in the winter more ice melts in

freezes in the winter more ice melts in the summer and the red line is this year

the summer and the red line is this year

the summer and the red line is this year and this is hot off the presses

and this is hot off the presses

and this is hot off the presses quite literally this is a record low

quite literally this is a record low

quite literally this is a record low amount of ice for this time of year if

amount of ice for this time of year if

amount of ice for this time of year if you plot the amount of ice that exists

you plot the amount of ice that exists

you plot the amount of ice that exists at the maximum time this time of year

at the maximum time this time of year

at the maximum time this time of year the end of the winter every year it’s

the end of the winter every year it’s

the end of the winter every year it’s getting smaller and this is the amount

getting smaller and this is the amount

getting smaller and this is the amount that exists at the end of the summer the

that exists at the end of the summer the

that exists at the end of the summer the minimum amount and every year it’s

minimum amount and every year it’s

minimum amount and every year it’s getting smaller these trends tell us

getting smaller these trends tell us

getting smaller these trends tell us that every year there’s 300 cubic

that every year there’s 300 cubic

that every year there’s 300 cubic kilometres less ice on average than the

kilometres less ice on average than the

kilometres less ice on average than the year before and to visualize this

year before and to visualize this

year before and to visualize this imagine an ice cube 4 miles on a side we

imagine an ice cube 4 miles on a side we

imagine an ice cube 4 miles on a side we have one less of those every year and

have one less of those every year and

have one less of those every year and there aren’t an infinite number of these

there aren’t an infinite number of these

there aren’t an infinite number of these ice cubes as you can see these trends

ice cubes as you can see these trends

ice cubes as you can see these trends past the line of zero ice by the end of

past the line of zero ice by the end of

past the line of zero ice by the end of the summer in around 230 2030 and that’s

the summer in around 230 2030 and that’s

the summer in around 230 2030 and that’s a time when we’ll have no ice in the

a time when we’ll have no ice in the

a time when we’ll have no ice in the Arctic at the end of the summer and

Arctic at the end of the summer and

Arctic at the end of the summer and that’s an unprecedented event

graphs are one thing I think this visual

graphs are one thing I think this visual will help you visualize what’s going on

will help you visualize what’s going on

will help you visualize what’s going on this is a depiction of satellite imagery

this is a depiction of satellite imagery

this is a depiction of satellite imagery from NASA of how much the ice extends

from NASA of how much the ice extends

from NASA of how much the ice extends over the Arctic during September of each

over the Arctic during September of each

over the Arctic during September of each year and from the dawn of the satellite

year and from the dawn of the satellite

year and from the dawn of the satellite era in the late 70s through the 80s you

era in the late 70s through the 80s you

era in the late 70s through the 80s you have a typical amount of ice at the end

have a typical amount of ice at the end

have a typical amount of ice at the end of the summer

of the summer

of the summer over half of the arctic’s covered but

over half of the arctic’s covered but

over half of the arctic’s covered but starting in the late 90s you start to

starting in the late 90s you start to

starting in the late 90s you start to see that the extent of the ice is

see that the extent of the ice is

see that the extent of the ice is significantly less and the years 2007

significantly less and the years 2007

significantly less and the years 2007 and 2012 are particularly low and this

and 2012 are particularly low and this

and 2012 are particularly low and this is happening more and more each year so

is happening more and more each year so

is happening more and more each year so it’s easy to see how we are quickly

it’s easy to see how we are quickly

it’s easy to see how we are quickly reaching a state where there will be

reaching a state where there will be

reaching a state where there will be practically no sea ice at the end of the

practically no sea ice at the end of the

practically no sea ice at the end of the summer and that’s bad for the Arctic

summer and that’s bad for the Arctic

summer and that’s bad for the Arctic multi-year ice is stronger without

multi-year ice is stronger without

multi-year ice is stronger without multi-year ice

multi-year ice

multi-year ice I used to persist through the summer

I used to persist through the summer

I used to persist through the summer it’s harder for ice to freeze in the

it’s harder for ice to freeze in the

it’s harder for ice to freeze in the winter and the ice is weak or more

winter and the ice is weak or more

winter and the ice is weak or more easily disrupted and carried southward

easily disrupted and carried southward

easily disrupted and carried southward so this matters as well for the

so this matters as well for the

so this matters as well for the reflectivity of the earth the Arctic is

reflectivity of the earth the Arctic is

reflectivity of the earth the Arctic is the world’s air conditioner it reflects

the world’s air conditioner it reflects

the world’s air conditioner it reflects back a lot of sunlight the sea ice is

back a lot of sunlight the sea ice is

back a lot of sunlight the sea ice is reflective but in 2012 this much area of

reflective but in 2012 this much area of

reflective but in 2012 this much area of the Arctic was missing ice compared to a

the Arctic was missing ice compared to a

the Arctic was missing ice compared to a typical year of 1979 this area was much

typical year of 1979 this area was much

typical year of 1979 this area was much darker than previous years and that is

darker than previous years and that is

darker than previous years and that is because sea ice reflects back over 90%

because sea ice reflects back over 90%

because sea ice reflects back over 90% of the sunlight that hits it whereas

of the sunlight that hits it whereas

of the sunlight that hits it whereas once that ice melts and you have open

once that ice melts and you have open

once that ice melts and you have open ocean it absorbs over 90% of the

ocean it absorbs over 90% of the

ocean it absorbs over 90% of the sunlight this is a runaway process once

sunlight this is a runaway process once

sunlight this is a runaway process once you melt ice and the sunlight is

you melt ice and the sunlight is

you melt ice and the sunlight is absorbed into the ocean the temperatures

absorbed into the ocean the temperatures

absorbed into the ocean the temperatures increase and that makes it easier for

increase and that makes it easier for

increase and that makes it easier for the ice to melt and makes it harder for

the ice to melt and makes it harder for

the ice to melt and makes it harder for it to freeze again in the winter we call

it to freeze again in the winter we call

it to freeze again in the winter we call this the ice albedo feedback albedo is

this the ice albedo feedback albedo is

this the ice albedo feedback albedo is the ability of something to reflect

the ability of something to reflect

the ability of something to reflect light and that feedback is one of the

light and that feedback is one of the

light and that feedback is one of the reasons why temperatures are increasing

reasons why temperatures are increasing

reasons why temperatures are increasing faster in the Arctic than anywhere else

faster in the Arctic than anywhere else

faster in the Arctic than anywhere else this is a graph from 1880 to the present

this is a graph from 1880 to the present

this is a graph from 1880 to the present day of global temperatures that’s the

day of global temperatures that’s the

day of global temperatures that’s the black line and they have increased by

black line and they have increased by

black line and they have increased by about a degree centigrade over the last

about a degree centigrade over the last

about a degree centigrade over the last century but the blue line denotes the

century but the blue line denotes the

century but the blue line denotes the temp

temp

temp in the Arctic and they have been

in the Arctic and they have been

in the Arctic and they have been increasing at a faster rate and they are

increasing at a faster rate and they are

increasing at a faster rate and they are much warmer today than ever before this

much warmer today than ever before this

much warmer today than ever before this is one feedback that exists in the

is one feedback that exists in the

is one feedback that exists in the Arctic and another feedback is the

Arctic and another feedback is the

Arctic and another feedback is the methane release feedback there are

methane release feedback there are

methane release feedback there are regions of the globe around the Arctic

regions of the globe around the Arctic

regions of the globe around the Arctic that are permanently frozen the

that are permanently frozen the

that are permanently frozen the permafrost regions are denoted in this

permafrost regions are denoted in this

permafrost regions are denoted in this dark blue these are regions that have

dark blue these are regions that have

dark blue these are regions that have stayed frozen since the last ice age but

stayed frozen since the last ice age but

stayed frozen since the last ice age but they’re beginning to thaw and as a

they’re beginning to thaw and as a

they’re beginning to thaw and as a result they are releasing methane

result they are releasing methane

result they are releasing methane methane natural gas is something that is

methane natural gas is something that is

methane natural gas is something that is naturally found in swamps and other

naturally found in swamps and other

naturally found in swamps and other places where your vegetative decay and

places where your vegetative decay and

places where your vegetative decay and that methane has remained trapped under

that methane has remained trapped under

that methane has remained trapped under the permafrost since before the ice age

the permafrost since before the ice age

the permafrost since before the ice age but now that the permafrost is thawing

but now that the permafrost is thawing

but now that the permafrost is thawing it’s releasing methane so much that you

it’s releasing methane so much that you

it’s releasing methane so much that you could ignite it just like the burner on

could ignite it just like the burner on

could ignite it just like the burner on your stove we have seen methane

your stove we have seen methane

your stove we have seen methane emissions increase from half a million

emissions increase from half a million

emissions increase from half a million tons per year 20 years ago to over 17

tons per year 20 years ago to over 17

tons per year 20 years ago to over 17 million tons released in 2013 this is a

million tons released in 2013 this is a

million tons released in 2013 this is a problem that’s accelerating because of

problem that’s accelerating because of

problem that’s accelerating because of the feedback the ice I’ll be too a

the feedback the ice I’ll be too a

the feedback the ice I’ll be too a feedback because of the methane feedback

feedback because of the methane feedback

feedback because of the methane feedback what happens in the Arctic affects the

what happens in the Arctic affects the

what happens in the Arctic affects the entire climate system and because of

entire climate system and because of

entire climate system and because of these feedbacks it turns out the Arctic

these feedbacks it turns out the Arctic

these feedbacks it turns out the Arctic is one of the most sensitive places to

is one of the most sensitive places to

is one of the most sensitive places to the climate that’s happening elsewhere

the climate that’s happening elsewhere

the climate that’s happening elsewhere in the world and the more I learned

in the world and the more I learned

in the world and the more I learned about this and the more I understood the

about this and the more I understood the

about this and the more I understood the problem the more compelled I felt to do

problem the more compelled I felt to do

problem the more compelled I felt to do something about it

something about it

something about it so in 2013 I taught a class with my

so in 2013 I taught a class with my

so in 2013 I taught a class with my colleagues here at ASU Hilary Hartnett

colleagues here at ASU Hilary Hartnett

colleagues here at ASU Hilary Hartnett and Chris crappie where we explored

and Chris crappie where we explored

and Chris crappie where we explored these issues and we explored a possible

these issues and we explored a possible

these issues and we explored a possible technology that I came up with for

technology that I came up with for

technology that I came up with for possibly restoring some of the sea ice

possibly restoring some of the sea ice

possibly restoring some of the sea ice and restoring the Arctic to it’s cooling

and restoring the Arctic to it’s cooling

and restoring the Arctic to it’s cooling role in the climate we taught this class

role in the climate we taught this class

role in the climate we taught this class and we explored some of these aspects of

and we explored some of these aspects of

and we explored some of these aspects of this technology and then finally we

this technology and then finally we

this technology and then finally we published our results in the refereed

published our results in the refereed

published our results in the refereed journal Earth’s future and this is a

journal Earth’s future and this is a

journal Earth’s future and this is a copy of the paper and all the students

copy of the paper and all the students

copy of the paper and all the students were made co-authors something that

were made co-authors something that

were made co-authors something that we’re quite proud of the idea expressed

we’re quite proud of the idea expressed

we’re quite proud of the idea expressed in this paper is one we have to do

in this paper is one we have to do

in this paper is one we have to do something about the Arctic but also

something about the Arctic but also

something about the Arctic but also here’s something that might work the

here’s something that might work the

here’s something that might work the idea is quite simple if you had a device

idea is quite simple if you had a device

idea is quite simple if you had a device of

of

of we that you put out into the ocean in a

we that you put out into the ocean in a

we that you put out into the ocean in a place where multi-year ice was not

place where multi-year ice was not

place where multi-year ice was not forming and you left it there in the

forming and you left it there in the

forming and you left it there in the summer then as the winter came and the

summer then as the winter came and the

summer then as the winter came and the ice started to freeze around it this

ice started to freeze around it this

ice started to freeze around it this buoy would support a wind turbine and

buoy would support a wind turbine and

buoy would support a wind turbine and there is plentiful wind power in the

there is plentiful wind power in the

there is plentiful wind power in the Arctic even through the Arctic winter

Arctic even through the Arctic winter

Arctic even through the Arctic winter and that wind power could be used to

and that wind power could be used to

and that wind power could be used to raise water from below the sea ice which

raise water from below the sea ice which

raise water from below the sea ice which is only a few meters thick raise it up

is only a few meters thick raise it up

is only a few meters thick raise it up to above the sea ice where it would be

to above the sea ice where it would be

to above the sea ice where it would be held in a tank until distribute it and

held in a tank until distribute it and

held in a tank until distribute it and then distribute it over the ice where it

then distribute it over the ice where it

then distribute it over the ice where it would freeze more rapidly

would freeze more rapidly

would freeze more rapidly right now the freezing of seawater into

right now the freezing of seawater into

right now the freezing of seawater into sea ice is limited once the ice gets to

sea ice is limited once the ice gets to

sea ice is limited once the ice gets to be more than a few meters thick because

be more than a few meters thick because

be more than a few meters thick because the ocean is relatively warm and the

the ocean is relatively warm and the

the ocean is relatively warm and the cold part is on the top by putting the

cold part is on the top by putting the

cold part is on the top by putting the water on top it freezes faster and we’ve

water on top it freezes faster and we’ve

water on top it freezes faster and we’ve calculated these effects by our

calculated these effects by our

calculated these effects by our calculations we estimate that one device

calculations we estimate that one device

calculations we estimate that one device like this could increase the thickness

like this could increase the thickness

like this could increase the thickness of sea ice over the course of one Arctic

of sea ice over the course of one Arctic

of sea ice over the course of one Arctic winter by about one meter over an area

winter by about one meter over an area

winter by about one meter over an area of 1/10 of a square kilometer now one

of 1/10 of a square kilometer now one

of 1/10 of a square kilometer now one meter doesn’t sound like a lot but these

meter doesn’t sound like a lot but these

meter doesn’t sound like a lot but these are the average depths of the sea ice

are the average depths of the sea ice

are the average depths of the sea ice throughout the Arctic and it’s no more

throughout the Arctic and it’s no more

throughout the Arctic and it’s no more than a few meters and in most places

than a few meters and in most places

than a few meters and in most places it’s less than a meter so if you could

it’s less than a meter so if you could

it’s less than a meter so if you could add one meter to the thickness of the

add one meter to the thickness of the

add one meter to the thickness of the ice you would significantly increase the

ice you would significantly increase the

ice you would significantly increase the volume of ice that’s there and we

volume of ice that’s there and we

volume of ice that’s there and we estimate that ten million devices

estimate that ten million devices

estimate that ten million devices distributed over a million square

distributed over a million square

distributed over a million square kilometers 10% of the area of the Arctic

kilometers 10% of the area of the Arctic

kilometers 10% of the area of the Arctic could actually produce a thousand cubic

could actually produce a thousand cubic

could actually produce a thousand cubic kilometers of ice extra per year and

kilometers of ice extra per year and

kilometers of ice extra per year and offset the loss of ice that we’re seeing

offset the loss of ice that we’re seeing

offset the loss of ice that we’re seeing 10 million that seems like a big number

10 million that seems like a big number

10 million that seems like a big number but I want to remind you that we make in

but I want to remind you that we make in

but I want to remind you that we make in this country 10 million cars every year

this country 10 million cars every year

this country 10 million cars every year and these are not as complicated as cars

and these are not as complicated as cars

and these are not as complicated as cars so it’s something that we decided in the

so it’s something that we decided in the

so it’s something that we decided in the paper is feasible doable and if we could

paper is feasible doable and if we could

paper is feasible doable and if we could employ these we might see 10 million of

employ these we might see 10 million of

employ these we might see 10 million of these devices increase the amount of ice

these devices increase the amount of ice

these devices increase the amount of ice and restore the the Isis there now to be

and restore the the Isis there now to be

and restore the the Isis there now to be sure we’re not trying to solve all of

sure we’re not trying to solve all of

sure we’re not trying to solve all of the world’s climate change problems we

the world’s climate change problems we

the world’s climate change problems we can’t until co2 emissions are brought

can’t until co2 emissions are brought

can’t until co2 emissions are brought under control but what we are advocating

under control but what we are advocating

under control but what we are advocating is studying this method for reducing the

is studying this method for reducing the

is studying this method for reducing the worst of the feedbacks for footage

worst of the feedbacks for footage

worst of the feedbacks for footage pushing on the

pushing on the

pushing on the break rather than the accelerator in the

break rather than the accelerator in the

break rather than the accelerator in the Arctic now this may sound like

Arctic now this may sound like

Arctic now this may sound like geoengineering and it is it’s a project

geoengineering and it is it’s a project

geoengineering and it is it’s a project where we are purposely intervening in

where we are purposely intervening in

where we are purposely intervening in the climate to change something about it

the climate to change something about it

the climate to change something about it but we think it’s relatively benign

but we think it’s relatively benign

but we think it’s relatively benign compared to some standard geoengineering

compared to some standard geoengineering

compared to some standard geoengineering concepts such as stratospheric aerosol

concepts such as stratospheric aerosol

concepts such as stratospheric aerosol injection where sulfuric acid is sprayed

injection where sulfuric acid is sprayed

injection where sulfuric acid is sprayed into the stratosphere suspended there

into the stratosphere suspended there

into the stratosphere suspended there for months to reflect back sunlight that

for months to reflect back sunlight that

for months to reflect back sunlight that will cool the earth but with other

will cool the earth but with other

will cool the earth but with other effects or iron fertilization of the

effects or iron fertilization of the

effects or iron fertilization of the oceans where iron is poured into the

oceans where iron is poured into the

oceans where iron is poured into the ocean to help fertilize the growth of

ocean to help fertilize the growth of

ocean to help fertilize the growth of plankton which would draw down co2 these

plankton which would draw down co2 these

plankton which would draw down co2 these are ideas which have been discussed and

are ideas which have been discussed and

are ideas which have been discussed and each of them has effects and our project

each of them has effects and our project

each of them has effects and our project may also have effects that we haven’t

may also have effects that we haven’t

may also have effects that we haven’t thought through but the point is that

thought through but the point is that

thought through but the point is that it’s relatively benign because what

it’s relatively benign because what

it’s relatively benign because what we’re doing is trying to get a natural

we’re doing is trying to get a natural

we’re doing is trying to get a natural process to go a little bit faster to

process to go a little bit faster to

process to go a little bit faster to restore the ice to the state that it

restore the ice to the state that it

restore the ice to the state that it existed in just 20 years ago our next

existed in just 20 years ago our next

existed in just 20 years ago our next steps are to build and test a prototype

steps are to build and test a prototype

steps are to build and test a prototype to see if such a device could actually

to see if such a device could actually

to see if such a device could actually survive the Arctic winter

survive the Arctic winter

survive the Arctic winter and whether it would thicken the ice as

and whether it would thicken the ice as

and whether it would thicken the ice as advertised and to improve the modeling

advertised and to improve the modeling

advertised and to improve the modeling we need to understand how this would

we need to understand how this would

we need to understand how this would affect ice in the Arctic spraying salt

affect ice in the Arctic spraying salt

affect ice in the Arctic spraying salt water over ice can weaken it we need to

water over ice can weaken it we need to

water over ice can weaken it we need to understand all of these things but if

understand all of these things but if

understand all of these things but if the choice is to not have ice or to have

the choice is to not have ice or to have

the choice is to not have ice or to have this ice we think that it’s better but

this ice we think that it’s better but

this ice we think that it’s better but we need to model at all and our goal is

we need to model at all and our goal is

we need to model at all and our goal is to provoke a technical discussion and

to provoke a technical discussion and

to provoke a technical discussion and also a non-technical discussion it’s

also a non-technical discussion it’s

also a non-technical discussion it’s important to widen the dialogue to bring

important to widen the dialogue to bring

important to widen the dialogue to bring in the relevant stakeholders and the

in the relevant stakeholders and the

in the relevant stakeholders and the people who live in the Arctic and

people who live in the Arctic and

people who live in the Arctic and discuss the ethics of such projects and

discuss the ethics of such projects and

discuss the ethics of such projects and who would manage such projects and I

who would manage such projects and I

who would manage such projects and I just want to leave you with one final

just want to leave you with one final

just want to leave you with one final thought which is that climate change is

thought which is that climate change is

thought which is that climate change is a big problem and the loss of sea ice in

a big problem and the loss of sea ice in

a big problem and the loss of sea ice in the Arctic is staggering in its scope

the Arctic is staggering in its scope

the Arctic is staggering in its scope but climate change is an accidental

but climate change is an accidental

but climate change is an accidental byproduct of our great industrial

byproduct of our great industrial

byproduct of our great industrial capacity and we have the ability to

capacity and we have the ability to

capacity and we have the ability to great things and if one small fraction

great things and if one small fraction

great things and if one small fraction of our capacity was directed at solving

of our capacity was directed at solving

of our capacity was directed at solving these problems I have every hope that we

these problems I have every hope that we

these problems I have every hope that we can restore the ice in the Arctic and

can restore the ice in the Arctic and

can restore the ice in the Arctic and buy us time to work on all the other

buy us time to work on all the other

buy us time to work on all the other problems too we have great powers as a

problems too we have great powers as a

problems too we have great powers as a species we have great imagination and

species we have great imagination and

species we have great imagination and innovative capability as a species what

innovative capability as a species what

innovative capability as a species what we don’t have is time

we don’t have is time

we don’t have is time thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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