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Let’s simulate new societies | Friedrich Kirschner | TEDxSSC


life is a messy business I think that

life is a messy business I think that much we can all agree on there are so

much we can all agree on there are so

much we can all agree on there are so many different experiences that we have

many different experiences that we have

many different experiences that we have every day so many things that people

every day so many things that people

every day so many things that people tell us so many news that we watch or

tell us so many news that we watch or

tell us so many news that we watch or maybe read on Facebook or on Twitter and

maybe read on Facebook or on Twitter and

maybe read on Facebook or on Twitter and I wonder if only there would be a way

I wonder if only there would be a way

I wonder if only there would be a way for civilization to come up with a

for civilization to come up with a

for civilization to come up with a system in which we could structure all

system in which we could structure all

system in which we could structure all of these experiences and make them part

of these experiences and make them part

of these experiences and make them part of our identity so I’m going to talk a

of our identity so I’m going to talk a

of our identity so I’m going to talk a little bit about storytelling today and

little bit about storytelling today and

little bit about storytelling today and particularly about one of the oldest

particularly about one of the oldest

particularly about one of the oldest forms of storytelling one of the oldest

forms of storytelling one of the oldest

forms of storytelling one of the oldest forms of public storytelling that we

forms of public storytelling that we

forms of public storytelling that we know which would be theater so I’m very

know which would be theater so I’m very

know which would be theater so I’m very lucky to have a day job that is called a

lucky to have a day job that is called a

lucky to have a day job that is called a professor for digital media in the

professor for digital media in the

professor for digital media in the School of Performing Arts else Bush in

School of Performing Arts else Bush in

School of Performing Arts else Bush in Berlin and I’d like to show you what my

Berlin and I’d like to show you what my

Berlin and I’d like to show you what my day-to-day job looks like this is my lab

day-to-day job looks like this is my lab

day-to-day job looks like this is my lab and as you can see there’s some students

and as you can see there’s some students

and as you can see there’s some students some acting students actually part of my

some acting students actually part of my

some acting students actually part of my lab and here are some more acting

lab and here are some more acting

lab and here are some more acting students who are part of my lab but

students who are part of my lab but

students who are part of my lab but where you can probably also see is that

where you can probably also see is that

where you can probably also see is that they’re not really acting out

they’re not really acting out

they’re not really acting out Shakespeare what they’re doing is they

Shakespeare what they’re doing is they

Shakespeare what they’re doing is they engage with technology and they’re

engage with technology and they’re

engage with technology and they’re trying to figure out how we can use all

trying to figure out how we can use all

trying to figure out how we can use all of this new digital technology to come

of this new digital technology to come

of this new digital technology to come up with new ways of performing things on

up with new ways of performing things on

up with new ways of performing things on stage and how we can tell stories that

stage and how we can tell stories that

stage and how we can tell stories that are relevant in this day and age so we

are relevant in this day and age so we

are relevant in this day and age so we build robots and see what we can do with

build robots and see what we can do with

build robots and see what we can do with them on stage sometimes we build our own

them on stage sometimes we build our own

them on stage sometimes we build our own smart devices and see how we can use

smart devices and see how we can use

smart devices and see how we can use them in new forms of storytelling maybe

them in new forms of storytelling maybe

them in new forms of storytelling maybe involving the audience and we even do

involving the audience and we even do

involving the audience and we even do some venturing into VR technology

some venturing into VR technology

some venturing into VR technology because apparently everybody’s doing

because apparently everybody’s doing

because apparently everybody’s doing that right now

that right now

that right now so why shouldn’t we do it too and

so why shouldn’t we do it too and

so why shouldn’t we do it too and sometimes when the weather is really

sometimes when the weather is really

sometimes when the weather is really nice which often times it’s not in

nice which often times it’s not in

nice which often times it’s not in Berlin we even try to turn our whole

Berlin we even try to turn our whole

Berlin we even try to turn our whole school into a stage that we can

school into a stage that we can

school into a stage that we can for me and then after we look at all of

for me and then after we look at all of

for me and then after we look at all of these technologies and we see how they

these technologies and we see how they

these technologies and we see how they work and how we can use them we try to

work and how we can use them we try to

work and how we can use them we try to transfer them into future pieces and I’d

transfer them into future pieces and I’d

transfer them into future pieces and I’d like to show you some examples of

like to show you some examples of

like to show you some examples of theater pieces that we were creating

theater pieces that we were creating

theater pieces that we were creating together with the students that used a

together with the students that used a

together with the students that used a lot of these new technologies so the

lot of these new technologies so the

lot of these new technologies so the first example you might know this story

first example you might know this story

first example you might know this story called Moby Dick

called Moby Dick

called Moby Dick it’s about being at sea and whale

it’s about being at sea and whale

it’s about being at sea and whale hunting in a man often times and we

hunting in a man often times and we

hunting in a man often times and we thought it would be interesting for

thought it would be interesting for

thought it would be interesting for young audiences to change the setting of

young audiences to change the setting of

young audiences to change the setting of this play and not have it play actually

this play and not have it play actually

this play and not have it play actually at sea and actually hunt whales because

at sea and actually hunt whales because

at sea and actually hunt whales because that’s not something that anybody should

that’s not something that anybody should

that’s not something that anybody should do nowadays but actually create a

do nowadays but actually create a

do nowadays but actually create a situation where for young people meet in

situation where for young people meet in

situation where for young people meet in a living room on a giant couch as you

a living room on a giant couch as you

a living room on a giant couch as you can see and they’re playing a video game

can see and they’re playing a video game

can see and they’re playing a video game and that video game is Moby Dick we’re

and that video game is Moby Dick we’re

and that video game is Moby Dick we’re showing this video game on stage and we

showing this video game on stage and we

showing this video game on stage and we use large-scale 3d projections using

use large-scale 3d projections using

use large-scale 3d projections using video game graphics and all of the

video game graphics and all of the

video game graphics and all of the characters that they’re playing are

characters that they’re playing are

characters that they’re playing are actually puppets that have been designed

actually puppets that have been designed

actually puppets that have been designed specifically to look a little bit like

specifically to look a little bit like

specifically to look a little bit like videogame characters in this other

videogame characters in this other

videogame characters in this other example we were working together with

example we were working together with

example we were working together with the Berlin concert hall and we were

the Berlin concert hall and we were

the Berlin concert hall and we were given the task to bring to life an opera

given the task to bring to life an opera

given the task to bring to life an opera by Shostakovich that had been lost

by Shostakovich that had been lost

by Shostakovich that had been lost during the Second World War and this was

during the Second World War and this was

during the Second World War and this was part of a short animated movie that he

part of a short animated movie that he

part of a short animated movie that he was collaborating with other people back

was collaborating with other people back

was collaborating with other people back in the Soviet Union and only a part of

in the Soviet Union and only a part of

in the Soviet Union and only a part of that movie was still available and so

that movie was still available and so

that movie was still available and so our task was to recreate the rest of the

our task was to recreate the rest of the

our task was to recreate the rest of the movie live on stage and so we used a

movie live on stage and so we used a

movie live on stage and so we used a whole bunch of digital technologies from

whole bunch of digital technologies from

whole bunch of digital technologies from cameras but also very traditional

cameras but also very traditional

cameras but also very traditional puppetry methods like giant cutouts or

puppetry methods like giant cutouts or

puppetry methods like giant cutouts or sock puppet sensors where we would have

sock puppet sensors where we would have

sock puppet sensors where we would have little digital sensors in socks and when

little digital sensors in socks and when

little digital sensors in socks and when you move the socks up and down you can

you move the socks up and down you can

you move the socks up and down you can actually synchronize the opera singers

actually synchronize the opera singers

actually synchronize the opera singers when they’re singing or sometimes we go

when they’re singing or sometimes we go

when they’re singing or sometimes we go a bit crazy and then together with the

a bit crazy and then together with the

a bit crazy and then together with the students we write our own new theater

students we write our own new theater

students we write our own new theater pieces this one for example he’s using

pieces this one for example he’s using

pieces this one for example he’s using the robot that we were building but we

the robot that we were building but we

the robot that we were building but we also have students playing their own

also have students playing their own

also have students playing their own versions of

versions of

versions of robots and androids and we’re combining

robots and androids and we’re combining

robots and androids and we’re combining different types of technology including

different types of technology including

different types of technology including VR technology to tell a story about a

VR technology to tell a story about a

VR technology to tell a story about a future Society and to see how people

future Society and to see how people

future Society and to see how people react to this vision of what we have in

react to this vision of what we have in

react to this vision of what we have in mind of how society might develop using

mind of how society might develop using

mind of how society might develop using a lot of these technologies so all of

a lot of these technologies so all of

a lot of these technologies so all of these are super fun experiments but when

these are super fun experiments but when

these are super fun experiments but when you work with technology a lot and you

you work with technology a lot and you

you work with technology a lot and you work with theater a lot at some point

work with theater a lot at some point

work with theater a lot at some point you come to ask yourself this very very

you come to ask yourself this very very

you come to ask yourself this very very important question like what are the

important question like what are the

important question like what are the stories that are actually worth telling

stories that are actually worth telling

stories that are actually worth telling and are we telling the right stories

and are we telling the right stories

and are we telling the right stories when we do theater because there’s lots

when we do theater because there’s lots

when we do theater because there’s lots of other things that people do in the

of other things that people do in the

of other things that people do in the evening there’s lots of other media that

evening there’s lots of other media that

evening there’s lots of other media that get a lot more funding for what they’re

get a lot more funding for what they’re

get a lot more funding for what they’re doing when we want to tell the story so

doing when we want to tell the story so

doing when we want to tell the story so you get to wonder about what is it that

you get to wonder about what is it that

you get to wonder about what is it that makes theater special and unique what is

makes theater special and unique what is

makes theater special and unique what is it that only we can do that other media

it that only we can do that other media

it that only we can do that other media can’t that the cinema can’t do that

can’t that the cinema can’t do that

can’t that the cinema can’t do that books can’t do and that video games

books can’t do and that video games

books can’t do and that video games maybe can’t do and then you start

maybe can’t do and then you start

maybe can’t do and then you start reading a couple of books about

reading a couple of books about

reading a couple of books about sociology and you find these very

sociology and you find these very

sociology and you find these very interesting things where they tell you

interesting things where they tell you

interesting things where they tell you that the way we socialize is actually

that the way we socialize is actually

that the way we socialize is actually through shared knowledge and through

through shared knowledge and through

through shared knowledge and through shared experiences and then you realize

shared experiences and then you realize

shared experiences and then you realize that at the very bottom of theater

that at the very bottom of theater

that at the very bottom of theater there’s this thing that we’re all

there’s this thing that we’re all

there’s this thing that we’re all together in the same room very much like

together in the same room very much like

together in the same room very much like we are right now and that we share in a

we are right now and that we share in a

we are right now and that we share in a common experience that we create

common experience that we create

common experience that we create together actually even though sometimes

together actually even though sometimes

together actually even though sometimes there’s only some people talking

there’s only some people talking

there’s only some people talking sometimes there’s more people talking

sometimes there’s more people talking

sometimes there’s more people talking but usually there should be to some

but usually there should be to some

but usually there should be to some people talking and a lot of people

people talking and a lot of people

people talking and a lot of people listening and then when you take a step

listening and then when you take a step

listening and then when you take a step back and you think about what theater

back and you think about what theater

back and you think about what theater actually really is then you notice that

actually really is then you notice that

actually really is then you notice that there’s a there’s a giant powerful thing

there’s a there’s a giant powerful thing

there’s a there’s a giant powerful thing somewhere in there and in order to

somewhere in there and in order to

somewhere in there and in order to illustrate that giant powerful thing I

illustrate that giant powerful thing I

illustrate that giant powerful thing I will sadly have to tell you a joke and

will sadly have to tell you a joke and

will sadly have to tell you a joke and the joke is not going to be funny for

the joke is not going to be funny for

the joke is not going to be funny for two reasons the first reason it’s a math

two reasons the first reason it’s a math

two reasons the first reason it’s a math joke and the second reason is because my

joke and the second reason is because my

joke and the second reason is because my cultural background does not allow me to

cultural background does not allow me to

cultural background does not allow me to be funny

so the joke goes a little bit like this

so the joke goes a little bit like this so how does a mathematician catch a lion

so how does a mathematician catch a lion

so how does a mathematician catch a lion in the desert the answer is actually

in the desert the answer is actually

in the desert the answer is actually quite simple she builds a cage and then

quite simple she builds a cage and then

quite simple she builds a cage and then she sits inside the cage and then she

she sits inside the cage and then she

she sits inside the cage and then she defines the inside of the cage as the

defines the inside of the cage as the

defines the inside of the cage as the outside not funny but the mathematician

outside not funny but the mathematician

outside not funny but the mathematician didn’t just catch one lion

didn’t just catch one lion

didn’t just catch one lion she caught all of the lions and she’s

she caught all of the lions and she’s

she caught all of the lions and she’s also very safe from the Lions because

also very safe from the Lions because

also very safe from the Lions because she built herself a little cage

she built herself a little cage

she built herself a little cage they keep she can sit inside and hang

they keep she can sit inside and hang

they keep she can sit inside and hang out and watch all of the lines all over

out and watch all of the lines all over

out and watch all of the lines all over the world be caught in whatever it is

the world be caught in whatever it is

the world be caught in whatever it is that she was defining and the reason I

that she was defining and the reason I

that she was defining and the reason I like this joke is not just because I’m

like this joke is not just because I’m

like this joke is not just because I’m German but it’s also because I feel like

German but it’s also because I feel like

German but it’s also because I feel like it encapsulates what theatre really is

it encapsulates what theatre really is

it encapsulates what theatre really is because in theatre we do very very

because in theatre we do very very

because in theatre we do very very similar things we usually build a space

similar things we usually build a space

similar things we usually build a space and then we go inside the space and then

and then we go inside the space and then

and then we go inside the space and then we pretend that what we do in this space

we pretend that what we do in this space

we pretend that what we do in this space somehow has something to do with the

somehow has something to do with the

somehow has something to do with the outside world but we also create this

outside world but we also create this

outside world but we also create this space as a safe space where we can do

space as a safe space where we can do

space as a safe space where we can do things that would be a little bit weird

things that would be a little bit weird

things that would be a little bit weird if we would do them in the outside world

if we would do them in the outside world

if we would do them in the outside world sometimes we’re way too loud we yell at

sometimes we’re way too loud we yell at

sometimes we’re way too loud we yell at each other we hit each other sometimes

each other we hit each other sometimes

each other we hit each other sometimes we do fencing sometimes there’s a horse

we do fencing sometimes there’s a horse

we do fencing sometimes there’s a horse on stage which is something that you

on stage which is something that you

on stage which is something that you don’t necessarily see every day so we

don’t necessarily see every day so we

don’t necessarily see every day so we can do all these things because we as a

can do all these things because we as a

can do all these things because we as a society have decided that this is a

society have decided that this is a

society have decided that this is a completely valid thing to do that we can

completely valid thing to do that we can

completely valid thing to do that we can create spaces and everybody agrees that

create spaces and everybody agrees that

create spaces and everybody agrees that whatever happens on this stage is fine

whatever happens on this stage is fine

whatever happens on this stage is fine and it’s somehow going to show us

and it’s somehow going to show us

and it’s somehow going to show us something about the outside world

something about the outside world

something about the outside world and I think we can use this this very

and I think we can use this this very

and I think we can use this this very essence of theater the fact that we have

essence of theater the fact that we have

essence of theater the fact that we have a space that everybody can do stuff in

a space that everybody can do stuff in

a space that everybody can do stuff in and it’s completely okay and we can

and it’s completely okay and we can

and it’s completely okay and we can combine it with the idea that all of us

combine it with the idea that all of us

combine it with the idea that all of us are actually really good actors in fact

are actually really good actors in fact

are actually really good actors in fact you’re also good actors that in order to

you’re also good actors that in order to

you’re also good actors that in order to teach our students how to do acting

teach our students how to do acting

teach our students how to do acting sometimes we tell them

sometimes we tell them

sometimes we tell them to just go sit in a bus and watch you

to just go sit in a bus and watch you

to just go sit in a bus and watch you perform or go to a bar and watch you

perform or go to a bar and watch you

perform or go to a bar and watch you perform

perform

perform so everybody is actually really good at

so everybody is actually really good at

so everybody is actually really good at performing certain things everybody

performing certain things everybody

performing certain things everybody knows what a police officer is supposed

knows what a police officer is supposed

knows what a police officer is supposed to do everybody knows what a fireman is

to do everybody knows what a fireman is

to do everybody knows what a fireman is some of us are very good at acting out

some of us are very good at acting out

some of us are very good at acting out to be dads or mothers or those are very

to be dads or mothers or those are very

to be dads or mothers or those are very good at being very good friends and so

good at being very good friends and so

good at being very good friends and so what actors really do is they combine a

what actors really do is they combine a

what actors really do is they combine a lot of these different traits and they

lot of these different traits and they

lot of these different traits and they put them into one big thing and then you

put them into one big thing and then you

put them into one big thing and then you learn how to be like these other people

learn how to be like these other people

learn how to be like these other people but it’s not that hard to create roles

but it’s not that hard to create roles

but it’s not that hard to create roles for people to inhabit and then to act

for people to inhabit and then to act

for people to inhabit and then to act out and then the other thing that’s

out and then the other thing that’s

out and then the other thing that’s actually really nice is that we’re not

actually really nice is that we’re not

actually really nice is that we’re not just social with each other we’re also

just social with each other we’re also

just social with each other we’re also social with our objects now we’re very

social with our objects now we’re very

social with our objects now we’re very social with our objects specifically

social with our objects specifically

social with our objects specifically when they don’t work who hasn’t talked

when they don’t work who hasn’t talked

when they don’t work who hasn’t talked to their car when it broke down or who’s

to their car when it broke down or who’s

to their car when it broke down or who’s not like actually really anxious when

not like actually really anxious when

not like actually really anxious when their cell phone battery’s at like 5% in

their cell phone battery’s at like 5% in

their cell phone battery’s at like 5% in they’re like no so objects have this way

they’re like no so objects have this way

they’re like no so objects have this way of making us social and they become

of making us social and they become

of making us social and they become actors by themselves and they give us

actors by themselves and they give us

actors by themselves and they give us the possibility to act towards these

the possibility to act towards these

the possibility to act towards these objects and the the objects act back and

objects and the the objects act back and

objects and the the objects act back and if you add other people then suddenly

if you add other people then suddenly

if you add other people then suddenly you notice that when you’re in a

you notice that when you’re in a

you notice that when you’re in a conversation and somebody else is coming

conversation and somebody else is coming

conversation and somebody else is coming in and that one person knows the other

in and that one person knows the other

in and that one person knows the other person really well and you don’t quite

person really well and you don’t quite

person really well and you don’t quite know them that well then you can just

know them that well then you can just

know them that well then you can just take out your cell phone you’re like no

take out your cell phone you’re like no

take out your cell phone you’re like no no it’s okay it’s completely fine you

no it’s okay it’s completely fine you

no it’s okay it’s completely fine you can just talk and I’ll just press random

can just talk and I’ll just press random

can just talk and I’ll just press random buttons and notice that I have apps

buttons and notice that I have apps

buttons and notice that I have apps installed that I didn’t even know I had

installed that I didn’t even know I had

installed that I didn’t even know I had installed so objects can do that they

installed so objects can do that they

installed so objects can do that they don’t necessarily have to be digital

don’t necessarily have to be digital

don’t necessarily have to be digital media objects but sometimes it helps

media objects but sometimes it helps

media objects but sometimes it helps because we’re very used to interacting

because we’re very used to interacting

because we’re very used to interacting with digital media objects so we were

with digital media objects so we were

with digital media objects so we were wondering together with students how

wondering together with students how

wondering together with students how could we use this knowledge and how

could we use this knowledge and how

could we use this knowledge and how could we create spaces in which it’s not

could we create spaces in which it’s not

could we create spaces in which it’s not up to us to tell you stories but in

up to us to tell you stories but in

up to us to tell you stories but in which all of us can participate and find

which all of us can participate and find

which all of us can participate and find new ways in which we might negotiate

new ways in which we might negotiate

new ways in which we might negotiate every day lives in which we might come

every day lives in which we might come

every day lives in which we might come up with new ways of figuring out how

up with new ways of figuring out how

up with new ways of figuring out how societies should work and we’ve tested

societies should work and we’ve tested

societies should work and we’ve tested this I’m going to talk a little bit

this I’m going to talk a little bit

this I’m going to talk a little bit about an example project that we’ve done

about an example project that we’ve done

about an example project that we’ve done for about 70 people that thought they

for about 70 people that thought they

for about 70 people that thought they would go to see a theater piece with

would go to see a theater piece with

would go to see a theater piece with robots

robots

robots now robots are great because people

now robots are great because people

now robots are great because people apparently really like robots and

apparently really like robots and

apparently really like robots and there’s reasons people go to see robots

there’s reasons people go to see robots

there’s reasons people go to see robots just because so we thought that’s a very

just because so we thought that’s a very

just because so we thought that’s a very very good idea to have robots in there

very good idea to have robots in there

very good idea to have robots in there people will come and then we can do

people will come and then we can do

people will come and then we can do stuff with them and the way this worked

stuff with them and the way this worked

stuff with them and the way this worked is that we split the audience into two

is that we split the audience into two

is that we split the audience into two groups and we told them that there are

groups and we told them that there are

groups and we told them that there are two societies and these two societies

two societies and these two societies

two societies and these two societies consist of workers and politicians and

consist of workers and politicians and

consist of workers and politicians and people that do culture and people that

people that do culture and people that

people that do culture and people that do press so just like any other society

do press so just like any other society

do press so just like any other society but in a space where people can act out

but in a space where people can act out

but in a space where people can act out different ways of how they want to be a

different ways of how they want to be a

different ways of how they want to be a worker and this is kind of what it

worker and this is kind of what it

worker and this is kind of what it looked like this was one group of

looked like this was one group of

looked like this was one group of workers and they were given like welding

workers and they were given like welding

workers and they were given like welding helmets welding aprons and we thought

helmets welding aprons and we thought

helmets welding aprons and we thought the best way of representing work would

the best way of representing work would

the best way of representing work would be for them to press little buttons and

be for them to press little buttons and

be for them to press little buttons and every time they press the button once

every time they press the button once

every time they press the button once they would generate gross domestic

they would generate gross domestic

they would generate gross domestic product or we just called it energy

product or we just called it energy

product or we just called it energy because nobody really knows what gross

because nobody really knows what gross

because nobody really knows what gross domestic product means nowadays and this

domestic product means nowadays and this

domestic product means nowadays and this is the other group of workers and so

is the other group of workers and so

is the other group of workers and so they’re happily working away and they’re

they’re happily working away and they’re

they’re happily working away and they’re generating this energy and the energy is

generating this energy and the energy is

generating this energy and the energy is used to move society which is

used to move society which is

used to move society which is represented by these wonderful robots on

represented by these wonderful robots on

represented by these wonderful robots on an imaginary landscape and move from

an imaginary landscape and move from

an imaginary landscape and move from country to country in societies always

country to country in societies always

country to country in societies always have to move forward because that’s how

have to move forward because that’s how

have to move forward because that’s how we Europeans think that things should

we Europeans think that things should

we Europeans think that things should work and the way that the workers were

work and the way that the workers were

work and the way that the workers were governed was by politicians and so

governed was by politicians and so

governed was by politicians and so politicians were in a separate space in

politicians were in a separate space in

politicians were in a separate space in a large tent and they had all of these

a large tent and they had all of these

a large tent and they had all of these amazing interfaces they had like

amazing interfaces they had like

amazing interfaces they had like television screens that were showing

television screens that were showing

television screens that were showing them the current number of energy that

them the current number of energy that

them the current number of energy that the country was having they were showing

the country was having they were showing

the country was having they were showing them the current amount of work that

them the current amount of work that

them the current amount of work that people were doing and they could decide

people were doing and they could decide

people were doing and they could decide how long people would have to work how

how long people would have to work how

how long people would have to work how long they would have three time how much

long they would have three time how much

long they would have three time how much energy they

energy they

energy they would use to move society forward how

would use to move society forward how

would use to move society forward how much under the energy they would use to

much under the energy they would use to

much under the energy they would use to do press conferences and tell the

do press conferences and tell the

do press conferences and tell the workers to keep on working and be

workers to keep on working and be

workers to keep on working and be motivated and then of course when the

motivated and then of course when the

motivated and then of course when the workers have free time they have to

workers have free time they have to

workers have free time they have to decide what they want to do with their

decide what they want to do with their

decide what they want to do with their time they want to be entertained so we

time they want to be entertained so we

time they want to be entertained so we had to have cultural workers and we gave

had to have cultural workers and we gave

had to have cultural workers and we gave them little funny costumes so they know

them little funny costumes so they know

them little funny costumes so they know that they can be funny and we gave them

that they can be funny and we gave them

that they can be funny and we gave them little Playmobil figurines and we even

little Playmobil figurines and we even

little Playmobil figurines and we even bought like a miniature football set and

bought like a miniature football set and

bought like a miniature football set and we told them that they can do everything

we told them that they can do everything

we told them that they can do everything that they wanted they can create theatre

that they wanted they can create theatre

that they wanted they can create theatre pieces they can create little soap

pieces they can create little soap

pieces they can create little soap operas they can create little commentary

operas they can create little commentary

operas they can create little commentary for football matches and the workers

for football matches and the workers

for football matches and the workers when they have free time they could go

when they have free time they could go

when they have free time they could go and hang out with the cultural people

and hang out with the cultural people

and hang out with the cultural people and see what the cultural people had

and see what the cultural people had

and see what the cultural people had produced for them or they could go to a

produced for them or they could go to a

produced for them or they could go to a bar and have a drink so we also had a

bar and have a drink so we also had a

bar and have a drink so we also had a bar and then finally that was the press

bar and then finally that was the press

bar and then finally that was the press and the press was moving around and

and the press was moving around and

and the press was moving around and talking to people doing interviews

talking to people doing interviews

talking to people doing interviews taking photographs and just making sure

taking photographs and just making sure

taking photographs and just making sure that they know whatever was going on and

that they know whatever was going on and

that they know whatever was going on and there were a bunch of very very

there were a bunch of very very

there were a bunch of very very interesting things that were happening

interesting things that were happening

interesting things that were happening during that one very specific evening

during that one very specific evening

during that one very specific evening and I’d like to share some anecdotes

and I’d like to share some anecdotes

and I’d like to share some anecdotes with you of what was going on the first

with you of what was going on the first

with you of what was going on the first thing that happened and this was not

thing that happened and this was not

thing that happened and this was not planned so we literally just did this

planned so we literally just did this

planned so we literally just did this and then we were thinking of hoping that

and then we were thinking of hoping that

and then we were thinking of hoping that something interesting would come out of

something interesting would come out of

something interesting would come out of it and actually quite a few interesting

it and actually quite a few interesting

it and actually quite a few interesting things would come out of it the first

things would come out of it the first

things would come out of it the first thing was that people were unionizing

thing was that people were unionizing

thing was that people were unionizing like after about 10 minutes each of the

like after about 10 minutes each of the

like after about 10 minutes each of the groups were forming worker unions they

groups were forming worker unions they

groups were forming worker unions they were like we have to speak with a common

were like we have to speak with a common

were like we have to speak with a common voice and we have to go to the

voice and we have to go to the

voice and we have to go to the politicians and demand more money and

politicians and demand more money and

politicians and demand more money and more free time and after about 35

more free time and after about 35

more free time and after about 35 minutes after that kind of didn’t work

minutes after that kind of didn’t work

minutes after that kind of didn’t work out the way that they wanted they were

out the way that they wanted they were

out the way that they wanted they were doing a revolution so they would walk

doing a revolution so they would walk

doing a revolution so they would walk into the tent and kick out the

into the tent and kick out the

into the tent and kick out the politicians and be like hey this is our

politicians and be like hey this is our

politicians and be like hey this is our country or whatever and we really want

country or whatever and we really want

country or whatever and we really want things to run indifferently and then all

things to run indifferently and then all

things to run indifferently and then all the politicians left and they sat there

the politicians left and they sat there

the politicians left and they sat there with all the monitors and all the weird

with all the monitors and all the weird

with all the monitors and all the weird interfaces that we’ve created and they

interfaces that we’ve created and they

interfaces that we’ve created and they were like wait a minute we don’t know

were like wait a minute we don’t know

were like wait a minute we don’t know how this works

how this works

how this works so they went back out and get some of

so they went back out and get some of

so they went back out and get some of the old politicians to come back in

the old politicians to come back in

the old politicians to come back in and then they would ask them you have to

and then they would ask them you have to

and then they would ask them you have to tell me now how does this society thing

tell me now how does this society thing

tell me now how does this society thing work because I’m just a worker I really

work because I’m just a worker I really

work because I’m just a worker I really don’t know and another really really

don’t know and another really really

don’t know and another really really funny thing happened and that is one of

funny thing happened and that is one of

funny thing happened and that is one of the workers had some computer equipment

the workers had some computer equipment

the workers had some computer equipment with them and so he took out of his bag

with them and so he took out of his bag

with them and so he took out of his bag like a laptop and some electronics this

like a laptop and some electronics this

like a laptop and some electronics this was at a festival so there were people

was at a festival so there were people

was at a festival so there were people that had some electronics with them and

that had some electronics with them and

that had some electronics with them and he would start fiddling with his

he would start fiddling with his

he would start fiddling with his electronics until at some point he would

electronics until at some point he would

electronics until at some point he would have an automatic worker created again

have an automatic worker created again

have an automatic worker created again this was not something that we had on

this was not something that we had on

this was not something that we had on our radar so he would go around to the

our radar so he would go around to the

our radar so he would go around to the other workers and he by the hey look I

other workers and he by the hey look I

other workers and he by the hey look I can automate your work you don’t have to

can automate your work you don’t have to

can automate your work you don’t have to work any more at all ever in your life

work any more at all ever in your life

work any more at all ever in your life and would you give me some money and

and would you give me some money and

and would you give me some money and then we can just share you know with

then we can just share you know with

then we can just share you know with share this automatic worker with all of

share this automatic worker with all of

share this automatic worker with all of us and most of the workers said that no

us and most of the workers said that no

us and most of the workers said that no they really don’t want to not have work

they really don’t want to not have work

they really don’t want to not have work anymore because then what are they gonna

anymore because then what are they gonna

anymore because then what are they gonna do with their lives like just go to the

do with their lives like just go to the

do with their lives like just go to the cultural people they don’t like what

cultural people they don’t like what

cultural people they don’t like what they’re doing cultural people actually

they’re doing cultural people actually

they’re doing cultural people actually were very frustrated because everybody

were very frustrated because everybody

were very frustrated because everybody just wanted to go to a bar and nobody

just wanted to go to a bar and nobody

just wanted to go to a bar and nobody wanted to go see high culture it’s a

wanted to go see high culture it’s a

wanted to go see high culture it’s a whole different story

whole different story

whole different story so that was very interesting because

so that was very interesting because

so that was very interesting because suddenly we had all of these different

suddenly we had all of these different

suddenly we had all of these different discussions and actually the discussions

discussions and actually the discussions

discussions and actually the discussions lasted for hours afterwards when we

lasted for hours afterwards when we

lasted for hours afterwards when we would go out for beer and talk to people

would go out for beer and talk to people

would go out for beer and talk to people because we also didn’t know all of the

because we also didn’t know all of the

because we also didn’t know all of the things that were happening because it

things that were happening because it

things that were happening because it wasn’t a scripted story it was all of

wasn’t a scripted story it was all of

wasn’t a scripted story it was all of these different people performing

these different people performing

these different people performing specific roles and there were all of

specific roles and there were all of

specific roles and there were all of these small stories happening in between

these small stories happening in between

these small stories happening in between that were super interesting for us to

that were super interesting for us to

that were super interesting for us to hear and so I do believe that first of

hear and so I do believe that first of

hear and so I do believe that first of all it’s not very hard to create these

all it’s not very hard to create these

all it’s not very hard to create these situations because we can all do it we

situations because we can all do it we

situations because we can all do it we can all just negotiate and make sure

can all just negotiate and make sure

can all just negotiate and make sure that there’s spaces in our lives where

that there’s spaces in our lives where

that there’s spaces in our lives where we can behave whichever way we want and

we can behave whichever way we want and

we can behave whichever way we want and try to come up with new ways of dealing

try to come up with new ways of dealing

try to come up with new ways of dealing with each other and the other thing that

with each other and the other thing that

with each other and the other thing that I find quite interesting is that

I find quite interesting is that

I find quite interesting is that sometimes you need technology to get

sometimes you need technology to get

sometimes you need technology to get people to be playful again but really

people to be playful again but really

people to be playful again but really technology is just the stake that you

technology is just the stake that you

technology is just the stake that you throw over the fence to distract the dog

throw over the fence to distract the dog

throw over the fence to distract the dog if you want to rob the house

if you want to rob the house

if you want to rob the house thank you very much

thank you very much

thank you very much [Applause]

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