I love I guess I could call it love I love talking to people who disagree with
love talking to people who disagree with
love talking to people who disagree with me it’s a great it’s a great time right
me it’s a great it’s a great time right
me it’s a great it’s a great time right now to talk to people to disagree
now to talk to people to disagree
now to talk to people to disagree because let’s face it ahead of time and
because let’s face it ahead of time and
because let’s face it ahead of time and there’s a lot of argument going on I
there’s a lot of argument going on I
there’s a lot of argument going on I like trying to understand what what
like trying to understand what what
like trying to understand what what their values are what makes them tick
their values are what makes them tick
their values are what makes them tick why are they thinking away they’re
why are they thinking away they’re
why are they thinking away they’re thinking and what is it that has led
thinking and what is it that has led
thinking and what is it that has led them down a different course to my own
them down a different course to my own
them down a different course to my own why the views that they are holding
why the views that they are holding
why the views that they are holding different to mine this has really been
different to mine this has really been
different to mine this has really been also a journey of my own activism of
also a journey of my own activism of
also a journey of my own activism of trying to be more effective and as I’ll
trying to be more effective and as I’ll
trying to be more effective and as I’ll try and explain to you also trying to
try and explain to you also trying to
try and explain to you also trying to incorporate values of real diversity
incorporate values of real diversity
incorporate values of real diversity trying basically to make change I
trying basically to make change I
trying basically to make change I haven’t I haven’t always been like this
haven’t I haven’t always been like this
haven’t I haven’t always been like this I am a radical environmental campaigner
I am a radical environmental campaigner
I am a radical environmental campaigner and I spent a lot of my time shouting at
and I spent a lot of my time shouting at
and I spent a lot of my time shouting at people this isn’t in a previous
people this isn’t in a previous
people this isn’t in a previous incarnation jeez seven heads of state
incarnation jeez seven heads of state
incarnation jeez seven heads of state meeting not just shouting at people but
meeting not just shouting at people but
meeting not just shouting at people but also making sure that I’m chained to
also making sure that I’m chained to
also making sure that I’m chained to something so I cannot be removed from
something so I cannot be removed from
something so I cannot be removed from earshot in this case plastic garden
earshot in this case plastic garden
earshot in this case plastic garden chain grape gets past the metal
chain grape gets past the metal
chain grape gets past the metal detectors
detectors
detectors shouting is great isn’t it everybody
shouting is great isn’t it everybody
shouting is great isn’t it everybody have a shout just Anna oh that’s
have a shout just Anna oh that’s
have a shout just Anna oh that’s fantastic doesn’t that feel good to be
fantastic doesn’t that feel good to be
fantastic doesn’t that feel good to be shouting with people who you know who
shouting with people who you know who
shouting with people who you know who you like who who support what you stand
you like who who support what you stand
you like who who support what you stand for but listening is a lot not harder
for but listening is a lot not harder
for but listening is a lot not harder and listening to people you don’t agree
and listening to people you don’t agree
and listening to people you don’t agree with is is truly challenging and as a
with is is truly challenging and as a
with is is truly challenging and as a radical as ice I think of myself as a
radical as ice I think of myself as a
radical as ice I think of myself as a radical actually listening has been the
radical actually listening has been the
radical actually listening has been the most radical thing that I can do I
most radical thing that I can do I
most radical thing that I can do I become climate change climate changes
become climate change climate changes
become climate change climate changes it’s an issue you really want to shout
it’s an issue you really want to shout
it’s an issue you really want to shout about because I’d say all of the issues
about because I’d say all of the issues
about because I’d say all of the issues we’re hearing about today it’s the one
we’re hearing about today it’s the one
we’re hearing about today it’s the one where people’s attitudes become most
where people’s attitudes become most
where people’s attitudes become most detached from the overall threat
detached from the overall threat
detached from the overall threat they’re kind of like cut away from the
they’re kind of like cut away from the
they’re kind of like cut away from the ice sheet of scientific fact I’m sort of
ice sheet of scientific fact I’m sort of
ice sheet of scientific fact I’m sort of floating across the ocean and also
floating across the ocean and also
floating across the ocean and also iceberg of self-sustaining positive
iceberg of self-sustaining positive
iceberg of self-sustaining positive fantasy I became so concerned about this
fantasy I became so concerned about this
fantasy I became so concerned about this I formed an organization 12 years ago
I formed an organization 12 years ago
I formed an organization 12 years ago called Climate outreach and we are
called Climate outreach and we are
called Climate outreach and we are leading specialists in Europe in talking
leading specialists in Europe in talking
leading specialists in Europe in talking to people who are normally not engaged
to people who are normally not engaged
to people who are normally not engaged with climate change at all I spend a lot
with climate change at all I spend a lot
with climate change at all I spend a lot of my time in focus groups in interviews
of my time in focus groups in interviews
of my time in focus groups in interviews sitting and listening to people not like
sitting and listening to people not like
sitting and listening to people not like myself who are cut off from the green
myself who are cut off from the green
myself who are cut off from the green debate a lot of time with grassroots
debate a lot of time with grassroots
debate a lot of time with grassroots conservatives but also have trades union
conservatives but also have trades union
conservatives but also have trades union activists with people of different
activists with people of different
activists with people of different faiths of people of different ages and
faiths of people of different ages and
faiths of people of different ages and classes and cultures people basically
classes and cultures people basically
classes and cultures people basically cut off but I also spend lot of my time
cut off but I also spend lot of my time
cut off but I also spend lot of my time talking compulsively to strangers I
talking compulsively to strangers I
talking compulsively to strangers I haven’t I have a target that every day I
haven’t I have a target that every day I
haven’t I have a target that every day I will speak to us as one stranger about
will speak to us as one stranger about
will speak to us as one stranger about climate change and I don’t cheat on that
climate change and I don’t cheat on that
climate change and I don’t cheat on that because I could can’t use a thousand
because I could can’t use a thousand
because I could can’t use a thousand days and that’s like the offer 3 yes and
days and that’s like the offer 3 yes and
days and that’s like the offer 3 yes and I think you’re an easy I think you’re an
I think you’re an easy I think you’re an
I think you’re an easy I think you’re an easy audience to like strangers sitting
easy audience to like strangers sitting
easy audience to like strangers sitting down talking with my live in a small
down talking with my live in a small
down talking with my live in a small town two and a half thousand people I’m
town two and a half thousand people I’m
town two and a half thousand people I’m stunned getting feeling what people now
stunned getting feeling what people now
stunned getting feeling what people now crossing to the other side of a road and
crossing to the other side of a road and
crossing to the other side of a road and they see me coming with a that they’re
they see me coming with a that they’re
they see me coming with a that they’re worried but you know they might be my
worried but you know they might be my
worried but you know they might be my quota for the day and I hear all kinds
quota for the day and I hear all kinds
quota for the day and I hear all kinds of things a lot of people are scared a
of things a lot of people are scared a
of things a lot of people are scared a lot of people concerned not be what I
lot of people concerned not be what I
lot of people concerned not be what I want to talk about as at all two-thirds
want to talk about as at all two-thirds
want to talk about as at all two-thirds of people have never had a conversation
of people have never had a conversation
of people have never had a conversation of anyone in their lives about really
of anyone in their lives about really
of anyone in their lives about really the largest so I would say existential
the largest so I would say existential
the largest so I would say existential threat to our futures two-thirds of
threat to our futures two-thirds of
threat to our futures two-thirds of people that means when I do it I hope
people that means when I do it I hope
people that means when I do it I hope when you leave here you will do it too
when you leave here you will do it too
when you leave here you will do it too that could be the very first
that could be the very first
that could be the very first conversation I’ve ever had in their
conversation I’ve ever had in their
conversation I’ve ever had in their lives with something about this issue
lives with something about this issue
lives with something about this issue and I hear all kinds of weird and crazy
and I hear all kinds of weird and crazy
and I hear all kinds of weird and crazy things you know Oh climate change don’t
things you know Oh climate change don’t
things you know Oh climate change don’t need to worry about that that’s not
need to worry about that that’s not
need to worry about that that’s not going to happen for thousands of years
going to happen for thousands of years
going to happen for thousands of years okay I change all that that’s already
okay I change all that that’s already
okay I change all that that’s already happened in the past has it oh it’s
happened in the past has it oh it’s
happened in the past has it oh it’s always happened
always happened
always happened oh I don’t poo is it’s a bit cold today
oh I don’t poo is it’s a bit cold today
oh I don’t poo is it’s a bit cold today I don’t see not that global warming you
I don’t see not that global warming you
I don’t see not that global warming you keep talking about oh my god it’s nice
keep talking about oh my god it’s nice
keep talking about oh my god it’s nice and warm today oh this is nice maybe
and warm today oh this is nice maybe
and warm today oh this is nice maybe with climate change I’ll be able to grow
with climate change I’ll be able to grow
with climate change I’ll be able to grow grapes in my back garden a climate
grapes in my back garden a climate
grapes in my back garden a climate change it’s caused by the rich it’s
change it’s caused by the rich it’s
change it’s caused by the rich it’s caused by the poor of all their babies
caused by the poor of all their babies
caused by the poor of all their babies it’s caused by the Americans it’s called
it’s caused by the Americans it’s called
it’s caused by the Americans it’s called by the Chinese it’s
by the Chinese it’s
by the Chinese it’s oh why don’t you scientists of make up
oh why don’t you scientists of make up
oh why don’t you scientists of make up your minds and tell us what’s going on
your minds and tell us what’s going on
your minds and tell us what’s going on and hear all of this stuff and the
and hear all of this stuff and the
and hear all of this stuff and the important thing about this is that it
important thing about this is that it
important thing about this is that it shows that actually people’s attitudes
shows that actually people’s attitudes
shows that actually people’s attitudes are not grounded in the science they’re
are not grounded in the science they’re
are not grounded in the science they’re grounded in narratives narratives based
grounded in narratives narratives based
grounded in narratives narratives based around values attitudes things that they
around values attitudes things that they
around values attitudes things that they hear from other people like themselves
hear from other people like themselves
hear from other people like themselves that’s why we have to understand what
that’s why we have to understand what
that’s why we have to understand what makes people tick
makes people tick
makes people tick and the people who don’t accept what I
and the people who don’t accept what I
and the people who don’t accept what I work on so we can try and find a way of
work on so we can try and find a way of
work on so we can try and find a way of meeting that matching point between what
meeting that matching point between what
meeting that matching point between what they believe in and the truth of it the
they believe in and the truth of it the
they believe in and the truth of it the other thing is that those views don’t
other thing is that those views don’t
other thing is that those views don’t come from nowhere all of these little
come from nowhere all of these little
come from nowhere all of these little denial tropes about climate change have
denial tropes about climate change have
denial tropes about climate change have actually been planted by people because
actually been planted by people because
actually been planted by people because I’m a climate change communicator and
I’m a climate change communicator and
I’m a climate change communicator and out there there’s a posse of climate
out there there’s a posse of climate
out there there’s a posse of climate change non communicators just I dedicate
change non communicators just I dedicate
change non communicators just I dedicate my life to try to create action on this
my life to try to create action on this
my life to try to create action on this there’s a whole world of people out
there’s a whole world of people out
there’s a whole world of people out there who dedicate their lives to trying
there who dedicate their lives to trying
there who dedicate their lives to trying to undermine my work and you know what I
to undermine my work and you know what I
to undermine my work and you know what I want to talk to them too but if I’m
want to talk to them too but if I’m
want to talk to them too but if I’m going to talk to people who disagree
going to talk to people who disagree
going to talk to people who disagree with me I’d better talk with a real arch
with me I’d better talk with a real arch
with me I’d better talk with a real arch people who disagree with me like this
people who disagree with me like this
people who disagree with me like this guy here this is actually a post of it
guy here this is actually a post of it
guy here this is actually a post of it was up all around Paris is one of the
was up all around Paris is one of the
was up all around Paris is one of the number one climate criminals this is
number one climate criminals this is
number one climate criminals this is Myron Ebell he’s now he’s now what lead
Myron Ebell he’s now he’s now what lead
Myron Ebell he’s now he’s now what lead advisor to Donald Trump on climate
advisor to Donald Trump on climate
advisor to Donald Trump on climate change and he is the person who’s been
change and he is the person who’s been
change and he is the person who’s been put in charge of deconstructing the
put in charge of deconstructing the
put in charge of deconstructing the Environmental Protection Agency I had a
Environmental Protection Agency I had a
Environmental Protection Agency I had a great afternoon of Marnie though
great afternoon of Marnie though
great afternoon of Marnie though listening I have to say listening I said
listening I have to say listening I said
listening I have to say listening I said – and we’re not going to agree on any of
– and we’re not going to agree on any of
– and we’re not going to agree on any of this stuff you know what your
this stuff you know what your
this stuff you know what your communicator I’m a communicator tell me
communicator I’m a communicator tell me
communicator I’m a communicator tell me what you know tell me how you have
what you know tell me how you have
what you know tell me how you have gotten to be so good at this let’s face
gotten to be so good at this let’s face
gotten to be so good at this let’s face everybody likes to be flattered you were
everybody likes to be flattered you were
everybody likes to be flattered you were so good at what you do tell me
so good at what you do tell me
so good at what you do tell me everything I’d learned so damn much from
everything I’d learned so damn much from
everything I’d learned so damn much from that meeting of course he said a lot of
that meeting of course he said a lot of
that meeting of course he said a lot of rude things to me as well he had a
rude things to me as well he had a
rude things to me as well he had a parlor a stack of papers in front of him
parlor a stack of papers in front of him
parlor a stack of papers in front of him when we when we met in his offices and
when we when we met in his offices and
when we when we met in his offices and it turned out that they were printed
it turned out that they were printed
it turned out that they were printed from my blog every single rude thing I’d
from my blog every single rude thing I’d
from my blog every single rude thing I’d ever said about Marnie Bell which he
ever said about Marnie Bell which he
ever said about Marnie Bell which he then sat there and read to me page after
then sat there and read to me page after
then sat there and read to me page after page and can I say if any of you write
page and can I say if any of you write
page and can I say if any of you write obscure blogs anyone if anybody reads it
obscure blogs anyone if anybody reads it
obscure blogs anyone if anybody reads it I cannot tell you how satisfying it is
I cannot tell you how satisfying it is
I cannot tell you how satisfying it is to have it read back to you by a very
to have it read back to you by a very
to have it read back to you by a very person that you’ve been slacking off all
person that you’ve been slacking off all
person that you’ve been slacking off all of these years now Myron Ebell the
of these years now Myron Ebell the
of these years now Myron Ebell the meeting with Myron led to another
meeting with Myron led to another
meeting with Myron led to another peculiar thing which was an invitation
peculiar thing which was an invitation
peculiar thing which was an invitation an invitation to be the guest speaker
an invitation to be the guest speaker
an invitation to be the guest speaker for the mid Texan Tea Party always happy
for the mid Texan Tea Party always happy
for the mid Texan Tea Party always happy to meet new people
to meet new people
to meet new people sure why not my hostess for lovely
sure why not my hostess for lovely
sure why not my hostess for lovely Deborah Deborah Deborah the hostess with
Deborah Deborah Deborah the hostess with
Deborah Deborah Deborah the hostess with the mostest mostest small-arms this is
the mostest mostest small-arms this is
the mostest mostest small-arms this is this actually photograph is not by me
this actually photograph is not by me
this actually photograph is not by me this is the photograph which is on her
this is the photograph which is on her
this is the photograph which is on her advertising campaign materials when she
advertising campaign materials when she
advertising campaign materials when she run for the governorship of Texas where
run for the governorship of Texas where
run for the governorship of Texas where she got an alarmingly large number of
she got an alarmingly large number of
she got an alarmingly large number of votes for I’m there in front of 4050
votes for I’m there in front of 4050
votes for I’m there in front of 4050 well lubricated Texan libertarians on a
well lubricated Texan libertarians on a
well lubricated Texan libertarians on a ranch in the middle of nowhere with
ranch in the middle of nowhere with
ranch in the middle of nowhere with plenty of space to hide the bodies tell
plenty of space to hide the bodies tell
plenty of space to hide the bodies tell me I said because I’m always up for
me I said because I’m always up for
me I said because I’m always up for listening tell me what you think about
listening tell me what you think about
listening tell me what you think about climate change Wow
climate change Wow
climate change Wow they said relaxin was probably off more
they said relaxin was probably off more
they said relaxin was probably off more Texan than my home counties well they
Texan than my home counties well they
Texan than my home counties well they said it’s a lie well we’re sorry it’s a
said it’s a lie well we’re sorry it’s a
said it’s a lie well we’re sorry it’s a lie created by extremist socialist
lie created by extremist socialist
lie created by extremist socialist environmentalist whoa to undermine the
environmentalist whoa to undermine the
environmentalist whoa to undermine the American Way of life to destroy and take
American Way of life to destroy and take
American Way of life to destroy and take away our resources to take away our
away our resources to take away our
away our resources to take away our fundamental constitutional freedoms and
fundamental constitutional freedoms and
fundamental constitutional freedoms and extend the power of government whoa whoa
extend the power of government whoa whoa
extend the power of government whoa whoa whoa there all go oh well thank you
whoa there all go oh well thank you
whoa there all go oh well thank you that’s very interesting I found when I
that’s very interesting I found when I
that’s very interesting I found when I listen I listen back to the tape I’d
listen I listen back to the tape I’d
listen I listen back to the tape I’d gone all Terry Thomas everywhere how
gone all Terry Thomas everywhere how
gone all Terry Thomas everywhere how interesting it’s very bracing but
interesting it’s very bracing but
interesting it’s very bracing but what is funny being up with a room of
what is funny being up with a room of
what is funny being up with a room of avidly passionately opposed people it’s
avidly passionately opposed people it’s
avidly passionately opposed people it’s not easy either
not easy either
not easy either I mean there’s a lot of things in their
I mean there’s a lot of things in their
I mean there’s a lot of things in their values in their politics which I
values in their politics which I
values in their politics which I fundamentally and utterly disagree with
fundamentally and utterly disagree with
fundamentally and utterly disagree with but I’m not going to find that out
but I’m not going to find that out
but I’m not going to find that out unless I go and meet them and talk with
unless I go and meet them and talk with
unless I go and meet them and talk with them and I took other things from that
them and I took other things from that
them and I took other things from that meeting as well one thing I took from it
meeting as well one thing I took from it
meeting as well one thing I took from it was what these are not bad people
was what these are not bad people
was what these are not bad people these were politically engaged active
these were politically engaged active
these were politically engaged active community active
community active
community active of a kind which I have worked to all of
of a kind which I have worked to all of
of a kind which I have worked to all of my life on community-based campaigns
my life on community-based campaigns
my life on community-based campaigns against opencast coal mining against new
against opencast coal mining against new
against opencast coal mining against new against new supermarkets against forest
against new supermarkets against forest
against new supermarkets against forest destruction the other thing was that
destruction the other thing was that
destruction the other thing was that they had formed a set of narratives
they had formed a set of narratives
they had formed a set of narratives around their values and that there was
around their values and that there was
around their values and that there was an alternative world in which it could
an alternative world in which it could
an alternative world in which it could have been a very very different
have been a very very different
have been a very very different narrative they could have been just as
narrative they could have been just as
narrative they could have been just as passionate in their campaigning for
passionate in their campaigning for
passionate in their campaigning for action on climate change there’s nothing
action on climate change there’s nothing
action on climate change there’s nothing in climate change but inherently makes
in climate change but inherently makes
in climate change but inherently makes it a left wing or a right wing or a
it a left wing or a right wing or a
it a left wing or a right wing or a socialist or libertarian issue there was
socialist or libertarian issue there was
socialist or libertarian issue there was an alternative narrative that climate
an alternative narrative that climate
an alternative narrative that climate change was the greatest threat to their
change was the greatest threat to their
change was the greatest threat to their freedoms to their security to their
freedoms to their security to their
freedoms to their security to their property to their opportunities to God’s
property to their opportunities to God’s
property to their opportunities to God’s creation to their landscape to the
creation to their landscape to the
creation to their landscape to the rights of the unborn child there was an
rights of the unborn child there was an
rights of the unborn child there was an alternative narrative that could have
alternative narrative that could have
alternative narrative that could have been there but dealing with it was the
been there but dealing with it was the
been there but dealing with it was the biggest opportunity it could make
biggest opportunity it could make
biggest opportunity it could make America great again it could provide
America great again it could provide
America great again it could provide jobs it could provide new opportunities
jobs it could provide new opportunities
jobs it could provide new opportunities security world leadership this is not my
security world leadership this is not my
security world leadership this is not my values I don’t like most of these
values I don’t like most of these
values I don’t like most of these narratives these are very valuable
narratives these are very valuable
narratives these are very valuable appointees there was a world in which
appointees there was a world in which
appointees there was a world in which there could have been narratives which
there could have been narratives which
there could have been narratives which fitted with who they were but the
fitted with who they were but the
fitted with who they were but the problem was that people like myself my
problem was that people like myself my
problem was that people like myself my colleagues bless them in the
colleagues bless them in the
colleagues bless them in the environmental movement other people who
environmental movement other people who
environmental movement other people who are active on climate change had never
are active on climate change had never
are active on climate change had never bothered to even talk with them most of
bothered to even talk with them most of
bothered to even talk with them most of my friends thought I was insane even
my friends thought I was insane even
my friends thought I was insane even going there well why are you talking
going there well why are you talking
going there well why are you talking with them because in truth not only they
with them because in truth not only they
with them because in truth not only they not talk of them but they despised them
not talk of them but they despised them
not talk of them but they despised them and everything that they stood for that
and everything that they stood for that
and everything that they stood for that creates a void and into that void moves
creates a void and into that void moves
creates a void and into that void moves people like Myron Ebell the people who
people like Myron Ebell the people who
people like Myron Ebell the people who move into that space are ones who poison
move into that space are ones who poison
move into that space are ones who poison the well and have poisoned it for a
the well and have poisoned it for a
the well and have poisoned it for a generation now and this is deadly for
generation now and this is deadly for
generation now and this is deadly for climate change is an issue every single
climate change is an issue every single
climate change is an issue every single Republican candidate in the u.s.
Republican candidate in the u.s.
Republican candidate in the u.s. fundamentally denied climate change and
fundamentally denied climate change and
fundamentally denied climate change and that climate change science it’s become
that climate change science it’s become
that climate change science it’s become such a mark of conservative belief in
such a mark of conservative belief in
such a mark of conservative belief in the United States that now climate
the United States that now climate
the United States that now climate change your attitudes on climate change
change your attitudes on climate change
change your attitudes on climate change is a better predictor of your politics
is a better predictor of your politics
is a better predictor of your politics than any other single issue abortion gun
than any other single issue abortion gun
than any other single issue abortion gun control Capitol
control Capitol
control Capitol punishment none of these issues are as
punishment none of these issues are as
punishment none of these issues are as divided as climate change we’re not that
divided as climate change we’re not that
divided as climate change we’re not that bad yet but we’re getting there you are
bad yet but we’re getting there you are
bad yet but we’re getting there you are twice as likely the things that climate
twice as likely the things that climate
twice as likely the things that climate change is a myth if you are conservative
change is a myth if you are conservative
change is a myth if you are conservative than if you’re left-wing you are twice
than if you’re left-wing you are twice
than if you’re left-wing you are twice as likely to think that climate change
as likely to think that climate change
as likely to think that climate change is the real major threat that it is if
is the real major threat that it is if
is the real major threat that it is if your left-wing than if you’re
your left-wing than if you’re
your left-wing than if you’re conservative so I guess what I’m saying
conservative so I guess what I’m saying
conservative so I guess what I’m saying here is actually much bigger than
here is actually much bigger than
here is actually much bigger than climate change it’s but we’re a very
climate change it’s but we’re a very
climate change it’s but we’re a very important point in history at the moment
important point in history at the moment
important point in history at the moment as activists as campaigners as change
as activists as campaigners as change
as activists as campaigners as change makers we really have a we have a choice
makers we really have a we have a choice
makers we really have a we have a choice about where things can go from here we
about where things can go from here we
about where things can go from here we can go back into our shouty mode mount
can go back into our shouty mode mount
can go back into our shouty mode mount our barricades say you’re idiots we’re
our barricades say you’re idiots we’re
our barricades say you’re idiots we’re not talking to you go to hell and let’s
not talking to you go to hell and let’s
not talking to you go to hell and let’s face it we have the most polarizing
face it we have the most polarizing
face it we have the most polarizing president in American history at the
president in American history at the
president in American history at the moment this is his strategy this is how
moment this is his strategy this is how
moment this is his strategy this is how he runs his politics we can do it by his
he runs his politics we can do it by his
he runs his politics we can do it by his game or we can do it by our own and our
game or we can do it by our own and our
game or we can do it by our own and our own I suggest involves actively
own I suggest involves actively
own I suggest involves actively listening we talk a lot about listening
listening we talk a lot about listening
listening we talk a lot about listening but in the end we find it very hard to
but in the end we find it very hard to
but in the end we find it very hard to do this is not easy this is hard
do this is not easy this is hard
do this is not easy this is hard listening to people who are not like
listening to people who are not like
listening to people who are not like ourselves not necessarily liking them
ourselves not necessarily liking them
ourselves not necessarily liking them not agreeing with them not finding
not agreeing with them not finding
not agreeing with them not finding necessarily a consensus but listening to
necessarily a consensus but listening to
necessarily a consensus but listening to them and understanding but they need to
them and understanding but they need to
them and understanding but they need to see the key issues of our times in their
see the key issues of our times in their
see the key issues of our times in their terms not ours with narratives based
terms not ours with narratives based
terms not ours with narratives based around their values not necessarily our
around their values not necessarily our
around their values not necessarily our values and I’ll give you so for reasons
values and I’ll give you so for reasons
values and I’ll give you so for reasons I guess wise an activist I think that
I guess wise an activist I think that
I guess wise an activist I think that this is so important I think firstly
this is so important I think firstly
this is so important I think firstly because on the issue I’m working on
because on the issue I’m working on
because on the issue I’m working on climate change we don’t have a hope in
climate change we don’t have a hope in
climate change we don’t have a hope in hell of dealing with climate change
hell of dealing with climate change
hell of dealing with climate change unless everybody is on board so any
unless everybody is on board so any
unless everybody is on board so any pretense but we can just talk within one
pretense but we can just talk within one
pretense but we can just talk within one with on one group in one bubble and not
with on one group in one bubble and not
with on one group in one bubble and not extend out with the challenge of
extend out with the challenge of
extend out with the challenge of speaking to people across the spectrum
speaking to people across the spectrum
speaking to people across the spectrum is delusional I think a second reason is
is delusional I think a second reason is
is delusional I think a second reason is that if we if we don’t do this
that if we if we don’t do this
that if we if we don’t do this we’ll pay a very high cost if you don’t
we’ll pay a very high cost if you don’t
we’ll pay a very high cost if you don’t listen to people not like you you don’t
listen to people not like you you don’t
listen to people not like you you don’t learn things you know
learn things you know
learn things you know there’s only really two people who tell
there’s only really two people who tell
there’s only really two people who tell you the things you really need to hear
you the things you really need to hear
you the things you really need to hear the people who love you and the people
the people who love you and the people
the people who love you and the people who can’t stand you I’m always very
who can’t stand you I’m always very
who can’t stand you I’m always very happy to other people who can’t stand me
happy to other people who can’t stand me
happy to other people who can’t stand me telling me what they think because I
telling me what they think because I
telling me what they think because I know that I might hear some truths
know that I might hear some truths
know that I might hear some truths they’re very useful you know it’s an
they’re very useful you know it’s an
they’re very useful you know it’s an enormous mistake in the 1930s for the
enormous mistake in the 1930s for the
enormous mistake in the 1930s for the conservative not to listen to the
conservative not to listen to the
conservative not to listen to the Socialists who are warning about the
Socialists who are warning about the
Socialists who are warning about the rise of fascism but I suggest actually
rise of fascism but I suggest actually
rise of fascism but I suggest actually was an even bigger mistake for the
was an even bigger mistake for the
was an even bigger mistake for the Socialists for the activists of airheads
Socialists for the activists of airheads
Socialists for the activists of airheads buried in the Morningstar not to listen
buried in the Morningstar not to listen
buried in the Morningstar not to listen to the warnings and a very clear
to the warnings and a very clear
to the warnings and a very clear evidence of what Stalin nightmare was
evidence of what Stalin nightmare was
evidence of what Stalin nightmare was turning into because that was coming
turning into because that was coming
turning into because that was coming from the pages of a Daily Telegraph and
from the pages of a Daily Telegraph and
from the pages of a Daily Telegraph and these the Second World War has is an
these the Second World War has is an
these the Second World War has is an important parallel for what we’re
important parallel for what we’re
important parallel for what we’re working on because it is the proof that
working on because it is the proof that
working on because it is the proof that as a as a society as an economy we can
as a as a society as an economy we can
as a as a society as an economy we can completely retool and rebuild ourselves
completely retool and rebuild ourselves
completely retool and rebuild ourselves once we have recognized there is an
once we have recognized there is an
once we have recognized there is an overarching threat but we need to all
overarching threat but we need to all
overarching threat but we need to all work together on climate change is an
work together on climate change is an
work together on climate change is an overarching threat it needs a complete
overarching threat it needs a complete
overarching threat it needs a complete reconstruction of society in the economy
reconstruction of society in the economy
reconstruction of society in the economy and what was relevant in the Second
and what was relevant in the Second
and what was relevant in the Second World War was that it did not have or
World War was that it did not have or
World War was that it did not have or involve the left and the right and all
involve the left and the right and all
involve the left and the right and all the different shades of opinion reaching
the different shades of opinion reaching
the different shades of opinion reaching a consensus agreeing with each other
a consensus agreeing with each other
a consensus agreeing with each other liking each other or they had to agree
liking each other or they had to agree
liking each other or they had to agree on us but they were all going to play
on us but they were all going to play
on us but they were all going to play their part against an overarching threat
their part against an overarching threat
their part against an overarching threat they had different ideas different
they had different ideas different
they had different ideas different values and at the end of it very
values and at the end of it very
values and at the end of it very different visions about world aware
different visions about world aware
different visions about world aware where the world was going to go and that
where the world was going to go and that
where the world was going to go and that for me is the model of change because
for me is the model of change because
for me is the model of change because the third lesson is to say changes are
the third lesson is to say changes are
the third lesson is to say changes are always be diverse change political
always be diverse change political
always be diverse change political change now in a much different sides
change now in a much different sides
change now in a much different sides might like to airbrush out the
might like to airbrush out the
might like to airbrush out the complexity of it has always been about
complexity of it has always been about
complexity of it has always been about people from across the board learning
people from across the board learning
people from across the board learning and supporting each other the
and supporting each other the
and supporting each other the anti-slavery slave trade campaign was
anti-slavery slave trade campaign was
anti-slavery slave trade campaign was led by a number of evangelical
led by a number of evangelical
led by a number of evangelical conservatives campaigns for campaigns
conservatives campaigns for campaigns
conservatives campaigns for campaigns against apartheid campaigns for for
against apartheid campaigns for for
against apartheid campaigns for for social rights for justice for for gay
social rights for justice for for gay
social rights for justice for for gay rights for gender have always drawn on
rights for gender have always drawn on
rights for gender have always drawn on people unlikely partners coming together
people unlikely partners coming together
people unlikely partners coming together and learning from each other
and learning from each other
and learning from each other and I guess that brings me to her to
and I guess that brings me to her to
and I guess that brings me to her to recollect that the final point on this
recollect that the final point on this
recollect that the final point on this which is that that I believe
which is that that I believe
which is that that I believe passionately in diversity diversity is a
passionately in diversity diversity is a
passionately in diversity diversity is a source of enormous strength because it
source of enormous strength because it
source of enormous strength because it come the strength comes from a
come the strength comes from a
come the strength comes from a difference I support diversity in all of
difference I support diversity in all of
difference I support diversity in all of its forms of gender of ability of
its forms of gender of ability of
its forms of gender of ability of sexuality of race of faith and so on but
sexuality of race of faith and so on but
sexuality of race of faith and so on but I think my colleagues in the wider
I think my colleagues in the wider
I think my colleagues in the wider movement have an enormous blind spot
movement have an enormous blind spot
movement have an enormous blind spot when it comes to the diversity of
when it comes to the diversity of
when it comes to the diversity of politics of political worldview and on
politics of political worldview and on
politics of political worldview and on the issue I work on that is the most
the issue I work on that is the most
the issue I work on that is the most deadly right down the middle polarizing
deadly right down the middle polarizing
deadly right down the middle polarizing force of all and that’s why something
force of all and that’s why something
force of all and that’s why something needs to cross over now we all know this
needs to cross over now we all know this
needs to cross over now we all know this this is all sort of oh don’t develop
this is all sort of oh don’t develop
this is all sort of oh don’t develop don’t on time we all we all know this
don’t on time we all we all know this
don’t on time we all we all know this intuitively don’t we we all know when we
intuitively don’t we we all know when we
intuitively don’t we we all know when we deal with our neighbor that we’re going
deal with our neighbor that we’re going
deal with our neighbor that we’re going to find common ground we’re going to get
to find common ground we’re going to get
to find common ground we’re going to get along we’re going to like them we’re
along we’re going to like them we’re
along we’re going to like them we’re going to find similar things to joke
going to find similar things to joke
going to find similar things to joke about we all know that when we’re
about we all know that when we’re
about we all know that when we’re working on a community campaign I don’t
working on a community campaign I don’t
working on a community campaign I don’t know heaven so we’ve got 72 fight for
know heaven so we’ve got 72 fight for
know heaven so we’ve got 72 fight for madly to fight for our local hospital or
madly to fight for our local hospital or
madly to fight for our local hospital or our local school we know they’re but
our local school we know they’re but
our local school we know they’re but we’re going to find common ground with
we’re going to find common ground with
we’re going to find common ground with our people because we’re all facing a
our people because we’re all facing a
our people because we’re all facing a similar problem and we know that when we
similar problem and we know that when we
similar problem and we know that when we form a community-based campaign like
form a community-based campaign like
form a community-based campaign like that that actually diversity is strength
that that actually diversity is strength
that that actually diversity is strength we want people from all different walks
we want people from all different walks
we want people from all different walks of life different ways of seeing things
of life different ways of seeing things
of life different ways of seeing things to come together because we know what
to come together because we know what
to come together because we know what we’ll learn together but when we get
we’ll learn together but when we get
we’ll learn together but when we get bigger we lose sight of that when we
bigger we lose sight of that when we
bigger we lose sight of that when we deal with these large huge overwhelming
deal with these large huge overwhelming
deal with these large huge overwhelming challenges we all start to get kind of
challenges we all start to get kind of
challenges we all start to get kind of tribally so I like feeling groovy it’s
tribally so I like feeling groovy it’s
tribally so I like feeling groovy it’s like I’m feeling sort of charming behind
like I’m feeling sort of charming behind
like I’m feeling sort of charming behind our banners rah rah and that’s where for
our banners rah rah and that’s where for
our banners rah rah and that’s where for me to share with you as an activist the
me to share with you as an activist the
me to share with you as an activist the greatest learning the greatest challenge
greatest learning the greatest challenge
greatest learning the greatest challenge has been how to take the common sense
has been how to take the common sense
has been how to take the common sense from a smaller scale to a larger scale
from a smaller scale to a larger scale
from a smaller scale to a larger scale to learn across to spend my time not
to learn across to spend my time not
to learn across to spend my time not just thinking about it but actively
just thinking about it but actively
just thinking about it but actively going and finding the people I disagree
going and finding the people I disagree
going and finding the people I disagree with sitting down listening to them
with sitting down listening to them
with sitting down listening to them respecting that they have a point of
respecting that they have a point of
respecting that they have a point of view I’m trying to learn from it
view I’m trying to learn from it
view I’m trying to learn from it so do you agree with me good good right
so do you agree with me good good right
so do you agree with me good good right on sir thank you very much
on sir thank you very much
on sir thank you very much [Applause]
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