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Future of Distress: Education and Narratives of Discovery | Brendan Stone | TEDxUniversityofLeeds


[Applause]

[Applause] hello I’m going to be talking to you

hello I’m going to be talking to you

hello I’m going to be talking to you about two themes which ostensible seem a

about two themes which ostensible seem a

about two themes which ostensible seem a long way apart one is the future of

long way apart one is the future of

long way apart one is the future of education in this country and in

education in this country and in

education in this country and in particular the future of higher

particular the future of higher

particular the future of higher education and the future and a vision

education and the future and a vision

education and the future and a vision for universities just like this one and

for universities just like this one and

for universities just like this one and the second thing I’m going to be talking

the second thing I’m going to be talking

the second thing I’m going to be talking about is the future of distress and by

about is the future of distress and by

about is the future of distress and by distress I some of you may call that

distress I some of you may call that

distress I some of you may call that mental illness I prefer mental distress

mental illness I prefer mental distress

mental illness I prefer mental distress I’m going to be talking about how we as

I’m going to be talking about how we as

I’m going to be talking about how we as a country address mental health I think

a country address mental health I think

a country address mental health I think you probably agree with me that both of

you probably agree with me that both of

you probably agree with me that both of those themes have faced their challenges

those themes have faced their challenges

those themes have faced their challenges in recent times i think that the ways

in recent times i think that the ways

in recent times i think that the ways forward to address both education higher

forward to address both education higher

forward to address both education higher education and mental health are linked

education and mental health are linked

education and mental health are linked so that’s the link and i’m going to try

so that’s the link and i’m going to try

so that’s the link and i’m going to try and persuade you that there is a link

and persuade you that there is a link

and persuade you that there is a link i’m going to start with the quotation

i’m going to start with the quotation

i’m going to start with the quotation given by the great poet and little red

given by the great poet and little red

given by the great poet and little red poet john masefield almost 70 years ago

poet john masefield almost 70 years ago

poet john masefield almost 70 years ago not exactly on the edge of tomorrow and

not exactly on the edge of tomorrow and

not exactly on the edge of tomorrow and at an event that an important ceremony

at an event that an important ceremony

at an event that an important ceremony at my university and Masefield describes

at my university and Masefield describes

at my university and Masefield describes what a university should be now I don’t

what a university should be now I don’t

what a university should be now I don’t fully agree with mace filled with what

fully agree with mace filled with what

fully agree with mace filled with what he says here but there are ideas here

he says here but there are ideas here

he says here but there are ideas here that are important I’ve underlined them

that are important I’ve underlined them

that are important I’ve underlined them and the theme that I think Masefield is

and the theme that I think Masefield is

and the theme that I think Masefield is in part addressing in this piece is the

in part addressing in this piece is the

in part addressing in this piece is the way in which it is critical for

way in which it is critical for

way in which it is critical for universities to be porous entities not

universities to be porous entities not

universities to be porous entities not to be sealed off from the worlds in

to be sealed off from the worlds in

to be sealed off from the worlds in which they sit not to be sealed off from

which they sit not to be sealed off from

which they sit not to be sealed off from their neighborhoods from their

their neighborhoods from their

their neighborhoods from their communities and from there from their

communities and from there from their

communities and from there from their cities and let’s just look at the first

cities and let’s just look at the first

cities and let’s just look at the first few lines we’re not going to read all

few lines we’re not going to read all

few lines we’re not going to read all this out of maize fields of text there

this out of maize fields of text there

this out of maize fields of text there are few earthly things more splendid

are few earthly things more splendid

are few earthly things more splendid than a university he begins in these

than a university he begins in these

than a university he begins in these days of broken frontiers and collapsing

days of broken frontiers and collapsing

days of broken frontiers and collapsing values when the dams are down and the

values when the dams are down and the

values when the dams are down and the floods are made

floods are made

floods are made King misery when every future looks

King misery when every future looks

King misery when every future looks somewhat grim and every ancient foothold

somewhat grim and every ancient foothold

somewhat grim and every ancient foothold has become something of a quagmire

has become something of a quagmire

has become something of a quagmire wherever a university stands it stands

wherever a university stands it stands

wherever a university stands it stands and shines what a vision 1946 1946 just

and shines what a vision 1946 1946 just

and shines what a vision 1946 1946 just think about what was going on then the

think about what was going on then the

think about what was going on then the challenges and uncertainties of that

challenges and uncertainties of that

challenges and uncertainties of that time and let’s think too about the

time and let’s think too about the

time and let’s think too about the challenges and uncertainties that we

challenges and uncertainties that we

challenges and uncertainties that we live in right now universities I think

live in right now universities I think

live in right now universities I think are undergoing a crisis of identity in

are undergoing a crisis of identity in

are undergoing a crisis of identity in part and i want to lay out a vision for

part and i want to lay out a vision for

part and i want to lay out a vision for higher education abroad idealistic

higher education abroad idealistic

higher education abroad idealistic utopian some would say old-fashioned

utopian some would say old-fashioned

utopian some would say old-fashioned vision for what universities are and

vision for what universities are and

vision for what universities are and should be a vision which goes against

should be a vision which goes against

should be a vision which goes against the grain which is not reactive which

the grain which is not reactive which

the grain which is not reactive which doesn’t just roll over and respond to

doesn’t just roll over and respond to

doesn’t just roll over and respond to market pressures which refuses to finish

market pressures which refuses to finish

market pressures which refuses to finish our thoughts with the conclusion that

our thoughts with the conclusion that

our thoughts with the conclusion that students are consumers I want to kind of

students are consumers I want to kind of

students are consumers I want to kind of trace out a bigger more generous and

trace out a bigger more generous and

trace out a bigger more generous and more important vision and what I want to

more important vision and what I want to

more important vision and what I want to say drawing on the likes of Ernest Boyer

say drawing on the likes of Ernest Boyer

say drawing on the likes of Ernest Boyer and John Dewey is that we need to

and John Dewey is that we need to

and John Dewey is that we need to articulate an idea that education not

articulate an idea that education not

articulate an idea that education not just education in universities education

just education in universities education

just education in universities education is a way of living it is a way of being

is a way of living it is a way of being

is a way of living it is a way of being and universities can articulate that

and universities can articulate that

and universities can articulate that vision if we choose to we certainly need

vision if we choose to we certainly need

vision if we choose to we certainly need in my view to inhabit that vision in

in my view to inhabit that vision in

in my view to inhabit that vision in this view drawing on thinkers like Boyer

this view drawing on thinkers like Boyer

this view drawing on thinkers like Boyer but actually going back to the ancient

but actually going back to the ancient

but actually going back to the ancient Greeks education is not just a way of

Greeks education is not just a way of

Greeks education is not just a way of obtaining the necessary knowledge and

obtaining the necessary knowledge and

obtaining the necessary knowledge and qualifications to get yourself a job

qualifications to get yourself a job

qualifications to get yourself a job education is

education is

education is vital critical resource for social

vital critical resource for social

vital critical resource for social progress and reform indeed education is

progress and reform indeed education is

progress and reform indeed education is critical in these thinkers minds to the

critical in these thinkers minds to the

critical in these thinkers minds to the nourishing of democratic free societies

nourishing of democratic free societies

nourishing of democratic free societies democracy here is conceived as the good

democracy here is conceived as the good

democracy here is conceived as the good life as a means by which citizens strive

life as a means by which citizens strive

life as a means by which citizens strive for the good of their fellow citizens

for the good of their fellow citizens

for the good of their fellow citizens and I want to think about citizenship

and I want to think about citizenship

and I want to think about citizenship here in a global sense and the Academy

here in a global sense and the Academy

here in a global sense and the Academy has something dedicated to the renewal

has something dedicated to the renewal

has something dedicated to the renewal of society so in this view education yes

of society so in this view education yes

of society so in this view education yes is about the acquiring of subject

is about the acquiring of subject

is about the acquiring of subject knowledge absolutely critical it is

knowledge absolutely critical it is

knowledge absolutely critical it is about individual good it is about social

about individual good it is about social

about individual good it is about social mobility as crystal so beautifully

mobility as crystal so beautifully

mobility as crystal so beautifully articulated and it is also about

articulated and it is also about

articulated and it is also about learning what citizenship is its

learning what citizenship is its

learning what citizenship is its learning to value and have a stake in

learning to value and have a stake in

learning to value and have a stake in communities and society it’s

communities and society it’s

communities and society it’s understanding the vital role for a

understanding the vital role for a

understanding the vital role for a healthy democracy of being able to

healthy democracy of being able to

healthy democracy of being able to critically engage with ideas and

critically engage with ideas and

critically engage with ideas and contemporary issues above all for me

contemporary issues above all for me

contemporary issues above all for me it’s about partnership teams and

it’s about partnership teams and

it’s about partnership teams and communities ultimately education

communities ultimately education

communities ultimately education scholarship is about the transformation

scholarship is about the transformation

scholarship is about the transformation of the world an attempt to transform

of the world an attempt to transform

of the world an attempt to transform reality to make life better for

reality to make life better for

reality to make life better for ourselves and crucially for others to

ourselves and crucially for others to

ourselves and crucially for others to work for change now practically in

work for change now practically in

work for change now practically in universities what does this mean well it

universities what does this mean well it

universities what does this mean well it poses challenges to us those of us who

poses challenges to us those of us who

poses challenges to us those of us who teach like me who are educators it poses

teach like me who are educators it poses

teach like me who are educators it poses challenges to those who manage

challenges to those who manage

challenges to those who manage institutions like this

institutions like this

institutions like this in their mission statement in terms of

in their mission statement in terms of

in their mission statement in terms of teaching we need to be working with our

teaching we need to be working with our

teaching we need to be working with our students collaboratively forming

students collaboratively forming

students collaboratively forming communities of learning holding the

communities of learning holding the

communities of learning holding the script the skills of inquiry and

script the skills of inquiry and

script the skills of inquiry and critical reflection and for me above all

critical reflection and for me above all

critical reflection and for me above all we need to provide opportunities for

we need to provide opportunities for

we need to provide opportunities for students to learn alongside with and

students to learn alongside with and

students to learn alongside with and from communities and organizations

from communities and organizations

from communities and organizations outside the walls of the Academy and an

outside the walls of the Academy and an

outside the walls of the Academy and an example of this which is a project that

example of this which is a project that

example of this which is a project that I oversee in Sheffield is called engage

I oversee in Sheffield is called engage

I oversee in Sheffield is called engage learning and a couple of quick slides so

learning and a couple of quick slides so

learning and a couple of quick slides so our engage learning modules and courses

our engage learning modules and courses

our engage learning modules and courses as it says they combine traditional

as it says they combine traditional

as it says they combine traditional academic work with opportunities to

academic work with opportunities to

academic work with opportunities to student for students to learn with and

student for students to learn with and

student for students to learn with and from external partners real-world

from external partners real-world

from external partners real-world challenges and experiences outside the

challenges and experiences outside the

challenges and experiences outside the university with these learning

university with these learning

university with these learning activities usually focused on issues of

activities usually focused on issues of

activities usually focused on issues of of public concern in Sheffield many of

of public concern in Sheffield many of

of public concern in Sheffield many of our engaged learning projects focus on

our engaged learning projects focus on

our engaged learning projects focus on issues of inequality social

issues of inequality social

issues of inequality social marginalization and exclusion and I see

marginalization and exclusion and I see

marginalization and exclusion and I see this kind of work as intimately

this kind of work as intimately

this kind of work as intimately connected to ideas concerning

connected to ideas concerning

connected to ideas concerning citizenship and social responsibility

citizenship and social responsibility

citizenship and social responsibility and I’m really delighted to know that

and I’m really delighted to know that

and I’m really delighted to know that under rates leadership this university

under rates leadership this university

under rates leadership this university is developing ideas for similar work

is developing ideas for similar work

is developing ideas for similar work I’ve worked in this area myself a great

I’ve worked in this area myself a great

I’ve worked in this area myself a great deal and I’ll mention some of what I’ve

deal and I’ll mention some of what I’ve

deal and I’ll mention some of what I’ve done later on these are some of the

done later on these are some of the

done later on these are some of the kinds of projects that we work with on

kinds of projects that we work with on

kinds of projects that we work with on students like them we work with young

students like them we work with young

students like them we work with young people in in in schools who are

people in in in schools who are

people in in in schools who are struggling to read we work in dementia

struggling to read we work in dementia

struggling to read we work in dementia education mental health with refugees

education mental health with refugees

education mental health with refugees and asylum-seekers

and asylum-seekers

and asylum-seekers and all of this activity is predicated

and all of this activity is predicated

and all of this activity is predicated not on the notion that universities

not on the notion that universities

not on the notion that universities might dispense their beneficence to be

might dispense their beneficence to be

might dispense their beneficence to be knighted communities far from 0 in my

knighted communities far from 0 in my

knighted communities far from 0 in my view knowledge is multiplied located it

view knowledge is multiplied located it

view knowledge is multiplied located it doesn’t just live in places like this

doesn’t just live in places like this

doesn’t just live in places like this it’s out there too in communities all

it’s out there too in communities all

it’s out there too in communities all kinds of knowledge different kinds of

kinds of knowledge different kinds of

kinds of knowledge different kinds of knowledge and to equip our students for

knowledge and to equip our students for

knowledge and to equip our students for the worlds in which they will work for

the worlds in which they will work for

the worlds in which they will work for the worlds in which they will take their

the worlds in which they will take their

the worlds in which they will take their places hopefully active concerned

places hopefully active concerned

places hopefully active concerned citizens it’s vital for us to provide

citizens it’s vital for us to provide

citizens it’s vital for us to provide access not just to our libraries but

access not just to our libraries but

access not just to our libraries but also to that citizen knowledge okay

also to that citizen knowledge okay

also to that citizen knowledge okay that’s the bit about universities and

that’s the bit about universities and

that’s the bit about universities and now mental health now I don’t know how

now mental health now I don’t know how

now mental health now I don’t know how many of you know that there are such

many of you know that there are such

many of you know that there are such things in this country as recovery

things in this country as recovery

things in this country as recovery colleges but there are there’s quite a

colleges but there are there’s quite a

colleges but there are there’s quite a lot most of them are owned by NHS trusts

lot most of them are owned by NHS trusts

lot most of them are owned by NHS trusts with responsibility for mental illness

with responsibility for mental illness

with responsibility for mental illness learning disabilities and the like it’s

learning disabilities and the like it’s

learning disabilities and the like it’s a movement that’s been going probably

a movement that’s been going probably

a movement that’s been going probably for about 10 years now and it’s

for about 10 years now and it’s

for about 10 years now and it’s predicated on a notion that instead of

predicated on a notion that instead of

predicated on a notion that instead of being service users people are students

being service users people are students

being service users people are students they sign up to a recovery college and

they sign up to a recovery college and

they sign up to a recovery college and they might take courses in for instance

they might take courses in for instance

they might take courses in for instance learning to manage my bipolar disorder

learning to manage my bipolar disorder

learning to manage my bipolar disorder how to stay active when my depression is

how to stay active when my depression is

how to stay active when my depression is bad how to manage hostile voices in my

bad how to manage hostile voices in my

bad how to manage hostile voices in my head how to manage on a budget if you’re

head how to manage on a budget if you’re

head how to manage on a budget if you’re on disability benefits those kind of

on disability benefits those kind of

on disability benefits those kind of courses if you look at the prospectuses

courses if you look at the prospectuses

courses if you look at the prospectuses on the whole that’s what they they will

on the whole that’s what they they will

on the whole that’s what they they will provide now recovery colleges emerged

provide now recovery colleges emerged

provide now recovery colleges emerged from the recovery movement and the

from the recovery movement and the

from the recovery movement and the principles of recovery were formulated

principles of recovery were formulated

principles of recovery were formulated by mental hell

by mental hell

by mental hell activists they weren’t formulated by

activists they weren’t formulated by

activists they weren’t formulated by clinicians or academics though former

clinicians or academics though former

clinicians or academics though former formulated in the 60s and 70s by mental

formulated in the 60s and 70s by mental

formulated in the 60s and 70s by mental health activists in the States people

health activists in the States people

health activists in the States people living with mental illness who decided

living with mental illness who decided

living with mental illness who decided that instead of spending the rest of

that instead of spending the rest of

that instead of spending the rest of their lives hoping that one day the

their lives hoping that one day the

their lives hoping that one day the symptoms would go away people would

symptoms would go away people would

symptoms would go away people would start building the lives that they

start building the lives that they

start building the lives that they wanted to have right now I think these

wanted to have right now I think these

wanted to have right now I think these principles are great but as with so many

principles are great but as with so many

principles are great but as with so many good energetic ideas their

good energetic ideas their

good energetic ideas their implementation has become somewhat stale

implementation has become somewhat stale

implementation has become somewhat stale some of that energy seems to have been

some of that energy seems to have been

some of that energy seems to have been chewed up as initial activity gets

chewed up as initial activity gets

chewed up as initial activity gets passed through corporate sibs and as I

passed through corporate sibs and as I

passed through corporate sibs and as I said the courses that recovery colleges

said the courses that recovery colleges

said the courses that recovery colleges offer these days are often very focused

offer these days are often very focused

offer these days are often very focused on symptom reduction on coping there

on symptom reduction on coping there

on symptom reduction on coping there isn’t so much of that energy to have a

isn’t so much of that energy to have a

isn’t so much of that energy to have a life now rather than whenever I get

life now rather than whenever I get

life now rather than whenever I get better and look the problem with this is

better and look the problem with this is

better and look the problem with this is that it locks people in two narratives

that it locks people in two narratives

that it locks people in two narratives in which they’re defined by what they

in which they’re defined by what they

in which they’re defined by what they can’t do rather than book by what they

can’t do rather than book by what they

can’t do rather than book by what they can and it’s not an easy place to get

can and it’s not an easy place to get

can and it’s not an easy place to get out of when you’re kind of locked into

out of when you’re kind of locked into

out of when you’re kind of locked into this story and you’re so used to

this story and you’re so used to

this story and you’re so used to defining yourself in terms of difficulty

defining yourself in terms of difficulty

defining yourself in terms of difficulty lack dysfunction when you’re very unused

lack dysfunction when you’re very unused

lack dysfunction when you’re very unused to speaking about what you love what you

to speaking about what you love what you

to speaking about what you love what you hope for what you think about the

hope for what you think about the

hope for what you think about the politics of the day how you might

politics of the day how you might

politics of the day how you might contribute how you might mount a

contribute how you might mount a

contribute how you might mount a campaign what you care about it’s a very

campaign what you care about it’s a very

campaign what you care about it’s a very very different it’s a very very

very different it’s a very very

very different it’s a very very different focus so

different focus so

different focus so what would it be like I wonder if we

what would it be like I wonder if we

what would it be like I wonder if we brought some of that energy from those

brought some of that energy from those

brought some of that energy from those ideas about radical pedagogy critical

ideas about radical pedagogy critical

ideas about radical pedagogy critical educational ideas into the recovery

educational ideas into the recovery

educational ideas into the recovery college movement well this is something

college movement well this is something

college movement well this is something we’re trying to do in Sheffield at the

we’re trying to do in Sheffield at the

we’re trying to do in Sheffield at the moment so I have lots of different hats

moment so I have lots of different hats

moment so I have lots of different hats I’m also a director of a mental health

I’m also a director of a mental health

I’m also a director of a mental health charity as well as working for the NHS

charity as well as working for the NHS

charity as well as working for the NHS and we’re beginning to try and do this

and we’re beginning to try and do this

and we’re beginning to try and do this so watch this space what about if we

so watch this space what about if we

so watch this space what about if we actually help people to enlarge their

actually help people to enlarge their

actually help people to enlarge their imagination to develop their critical

imagination to develop their critical

imagination to develop their critical skills what about if we drew on the

skills what about if we drew on the

skills what about if we drew on the expertise that people already have the

expertise that people already have the

expertise that people already have the expertise of living with a mental

expertise of living with a mental

expertise of living with a mental illness but also their expertise in

illness but also their expertise in

illness but also their expertise in whatever their life has led to at this

whatever their life has led to at this

whatever their life has led to at this moment what about if our educational

moment what about if our educational

moment what about if our educational offers were about empowerment and

offers were about empowerment and

offers were about empowerment and participation and citizenship and the

participation and citizenship and the

participation and citizenship and the strength and strengthening of

strength and strengthening of

strength and strengthening of criticality the discovery of hope and

criticality the discovery of hope and

criticality the discovery of hope and talent and community what if that was

talent and community what if that was

talent and community what if that was what was going on in recovery colleges

what was going on in recovery colleges

what was going on in recovery colleges and what if they were open to everybody

and what if they were open to everybody

and what if they were open to everybody you don’t actually have to have a

you don’t actually have to have a

you don’t actually have to have a diagnosis of mental illness what if you

diagnosis of mental illness what if you

diagnosis of mental illness what if you were unemployed or lonely or old and

were unemployed or lonely or old and

were unemployed or lonely or old and isolated what about opening up recovery

isolated what about opening up recovery

isolated what about opening up recovery colleges and where my University’s fit

colleges and where my University’s fit

colleges and where my University’s fit within this well I think universities do

within this well I think universities do

within this well I think universities do have a place and in fact university is

have a place and in fact university is

have a place and in fact university is already are beginning to make moves in

already are beginning to make moves in

already are beginning to make moves in this direction certainly mine has I’d

this direction certainly mine has I’d

this direction certainly mine has I’d like to see a course for undergraduates

like to see a course for undergraduates

like to see a course for undergraduates let’s say it’s on the tragedies of

let’s say it’s on the tragedies of

let’s say it’s on the tragedies of Shakespeare in which for the first six

Shakespeare in which for the first six

Shakespeare in which for the first six weeks of the teaching term I know

weeks of the teaching term I know

weeks of the teaching term I know nothing about Shakespeare but let’s just

nothing about Shakespeare but let’s just

nothing about Shakespeare but let’s just pretend I do that I teach them about the

pretend I do that I teach them about the

pretend I do that I teach them about the tragedies of Shakespeare and how to

tragedies of Shakespeare and how to

tragedies of Shakespeare and how to teach the tragic

teach the tragic

teach the tragic is a Shakespeare and then the students

is a Shakespeare and then the students

is a Shakespeare and then the students put on a course in a recovery college

put on a course in a recovery college

put on a course in a recovery college open and free to anybody who wants to

open and free to anybody who wants to

open and free to anybody who wants to come and find out about the tragedies of

come and find out about the tragedies of

come and find out about the tragedies of Shakespeare well something very like

Shakespeare well something very like

Shakespeare well something very like that actually happening in Sheffield now

that actually happening in Sheffield now

that actually happening in Sheffield now run by a colleague of mine and it’s been

run by a colleague of mine and it’s been

run by a colleague of mine and it’s been going now for about two years I think

going now for about two years I think

going now for about two years I think our universities are full of untapped

our universities are full of untapped

our universities are full of untapped potential every year in sheffield in

potential every year in sheffield in

potential every year in sheffield in leeds all these generally young and

leeds all these generally young and

leeds all these generally young and energetic people energetic people arrive

energetic people energetic people arrive

energetic people energetic people arrive wanting to learn wanting to develop

wanting to learn wanting to develop

wanting to learn wanting to develop personally and this would be an

personally and this would be an

personally and this would be an opportunity to add to those we already

opportunity to add to those we already

opportunity to add to those we already offer these are pictures from some of

offer these are pictures from some of

offer these are pictures from some of the student projects that i’ve been

the student projects that i’ve been

the student projects that i’ve been involved with and you can see their

involved with and you can see their

involved with and you can see their students working alongside citizens in

students working alongside citizens in

students working alongside citizens in the classroom and a lot of those

the classroom and a lot of those

the classroom and a lot of those projects come under the banner of the

projects come under the banner of the

projects come under the banner of the story in sheffield initiative you can

story in sheffield initiative you can

story in sheffield initiative you can google it and and find out more about it

google it and and find out more about it

google it and and find out more about it storing chevy that actually has always

storing chevy that actually has always

storing chevy that actually has always worked primarily with people with

worked primarily with people with

worked primarily with people with long-term mental health issues and we

long-term mental health issues and we

long-term mental health issues and we have many many different projects in

have many many different projects in

have many many different projects in which students take a leading role

which students take a leading role

which students take a leading role working alongside citizens from the

working alongside citizens from the

working alongside citizens from the community learning from citizens and

community learning from citizens and

community learning from citizens and also assisting citizens and with in

also assisting citizens and with in

also assisting citizens and with in university settings or community

university settings or community

university settings or community settings a relatively new project we’ve

settings a relatively new project we’ve

settings a relatively new project we’ve started it’s called the narrative

started it’s called the narrative

started it’s called the narrative masterclass where people with mental

masterclass where people with mental

masterclass where people with mental health difficulties teach medical

health difficulties teach medical

health difficulties teach medical students who want to be psychiatrists

students who want to be psychiatrists

students who want to be psychiatrists about living with a mental health

about living with a mental health

about living with a mental health condition and this is an amazing project

condition and this is an amazing project

condition and this is an amazing project I cannot oversee it but it’s entirely

I cannot oversee it but it’s entirely

I cannot oversee it but it’s entirely designed and run by people are not

designed and run by people are not

designed and run by people are not connected with the university and have

connected with the university and have

connected with the university and have long-term experience of mental health

long-term experience of mental health

long-term experience of mental health conditions and that’s a picture from one

conditions and that’s a picture from one

conditions and that’s a picture from one of them and you can go go on the website

of them and you can go go on the website

of them and you can go go on the website and find out find out more about it and

and find out find out more about it and

and find out find out more about it and one last example i’d like to mention of

one last example i’d like to mention of

one last example i’d like to mention of the kind of work that’s going on is very

the kind of work that’s going on is very

the kind of work that’s going on is very near here at York’s and john university

near here at York’s and john university

near here at York’s and john university there converge program again you can

there converge program again you can

there converge program again you can have a look at that Nick row the

have a look at that Nick row the

have a look at that Nick row the director of the converge program at

director of the converge program at

director of the converge program at York’s and john is a remarkable

York’s and john is a remarkable

York’s and john is a remarkable individual who’s doing amazing things

individual who’s doing amazing things

individual who’s doing amazing things there and so I’ll just finish by saying

there and so I’ll just finish by saying

there and so I’ll just finish by saying that I’m really interested in the agenda

that I’m really interested in the agenda

that I’m really interested in the agenda I’ve been laying out to you and we’re

I’ve been laying out to you and we’re

I’ve been laying out to you and we’re beginning to try and build it in

beginning to try and build it in

beginning to try and build it in Sheffield over the next two or three

Sheffield over the next two or three

Sheffield over the next two or three years and hopefully you’ll see something

years and hopefully you’ll see something

years and hopefully you’ll see something emerge I’m interested in the issue of

emerge I’m interested in the issue of

emerge I’m interested in the issue of issues I’ve been talking to you about

issues I’ve been talking to you about

issues I’ve been talking to you about because I’m an educator I’m a teacher I

because I’m an educator I’m a teacher I

because I’m an educator I’m a teacher I work in mental health I oversee the

work in mental health I oversee the

work in mental health I oversee the engaged learning project I’m really

engaged learning project I’m really

engaged learning project I’m really interested in what inequality does to a

interested in what inequality does to a

interested in what inequality does to a society and northern universities like

society and northern universities like

society and northern universities like Leeds and Sheffield comparatively

Leeds and Sheffield comparatively

Leeds and Sheffield comparatively speaking our centers of great affluent

speaking our centers of great affluent

speaking our centers of great affluent compared to some of the areas around

compared to some of the areas around

compared to some of the areas around them I’m also interested because I

them I’m also interested because I

them I’m also interested because I believe it or not I’m now in my 50s late

believe it or not I’m now in my 50s late

believe it or not I’m now in my 50s late fifties actually I know that’s probably

fifties actually I know that’s probably

fifties actually I know that’s probably a shock to a lot of you ah but Natalie

a shock to a lot of you ah but Natalie

a shock to a lot of you ah but Natalie for over 40 years with serious mental

for over 40 years with serious mental

for over 40 years with serious mental illness myself I’m a professor with with

illness myself I’m a professor with with

illness myself I’m a professor with with Nell a levels and only a couple of GCSEs

Nell a levels and only a couple of GCSEs

Nell a levels and only a couple of GCSEs and between the ages of 16 and 35 I was

and between the ages of 16 and 35 I was

and between the ages of 16 and 35 I was usually so psychiatrically disabled that

usually so psychiatrically disabled that

usually so psychiatrically disabled that I I couldn’t work I was in and out of

I I couldn’t work I was in and out of

I I couldn’t work I was in and out of hospitals homeless and what was it that

hospitals homeless and what was it that

hospitals homeless and what was it that helped me start to build my life after

helped me start to build my life after

helped me start to build my life after what had been in a period of well great

what had been in a period of well great

what had been in a period of well great and considerable difficulty and I

and considerable difficulty and I

and considerable difficulty and I wouldn’t want to put it down to one

wouldn’t want to put it down to one

wouldn’t want to put it down to one thing but probably a very significant

thing but probably a very significant

thing but probably a very significant thing was signing on to an access course

thing was signing on to an access course

thing was signing on to an access course at the University of Sheffield and for

at the University of Sheffield and for

at the University of Sheffield and for two nights a week i think it was i I

two nights a week i think it was i I

two nights a week i think it was i I turn up and and learn about social

turn up and and learn about social

turn up and and learn about social science and history and maths and

science and history and maths and

science and history and maths and goodness knows what else with a mixed

goodness knows what else with a mixed

goodness knows what else with a mixed group of people a right ragbag we were

group of people a right ragbag we were

group of people a right ragbag we were and somehow through that I discovered

and somehow through that I discovered

and somehow through that I discovered that I did have something to offer the

that I did have something to offer the

that I did have something to offer the world that I was able to form meaningful

world that I was able to form meaningful

world that I was able to form meaningful relationships with people that had

relationships with people that had

relationships with people that had talent and such as it is but had

talent and such as it is but had

talent and such as it is but had something

something

something um and I enjoyed it too I enjoyed

um and I enjoyed it too I enjoyed

um and I enjoyed it too I enjoyed learning learning is a wonderful

learning learning is a wonderful

learning learning is a wonderful wonderful thing suddenly the world began

wonderful thing suddenly the world began

wonderful thing suddenly the world began to open up before me and I wouldn’t want

to open up before me and I wouldn’t want

to open up before me and I wouldn’t want to put myself up as any sort of example

to put myself up as any sort of example

to put myself up as any sort of example I’ve had a lot of advantages in life

I’ve had a lot of advantages in life

I’ve had a lot of advantages in life with which others haven’t and things are

with which others haven’t and things are

with which others haven’t and things are very very difficult at the moment for

very very difficult at the moment for

very very difficult at the moment for people with mental health problems I

people with mental health problems I

people with mental health problems I wouldn’t want to put my own recovery

wouldn’t want to put my own recovery

wouldn’t want to put my own recovery such as it is because I still live with

such as it is because I still live with

such as it is because I still live with mental illness today down to just

mental illness today down to just

mental illness today down to just education one of the things that

education one of the things that

education one of the things that probably helped me before that was I’ve

probably helped me before that was I’ve

probably helped me before that was I’ve got a secure place to live I can see the

got a secure place to live I can see the

got a secure place to live I can see the lady at the back waving things are hard

lady at the back waving things are hard

lady at the back waving things are hard now but I think probably one of the

now but I think probably one of the

now but I think probably one of the reasons that I’m energetically invested

reasons that I’m energetically invested

reasons that I’m energetically invested in this agenda is as much to do with my

in this agenda is as much to do with my

in this agenda is as much to do with my own story as my reading of the academic

own story as my reading of the academic

own story as my reading of the academic literature so thanks for listening

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