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A Better View of Hell | Shawn Bawulski | TEDxGrandCanyonUniversity


does evil win all right no does evil win

does evil win all right no does evil win the answer is yes if we look around it’s

the answer is yes if we look around it’s

the answer is yes if we look around it’s pretty obvious examples aren’t hard to

pretty obvious examples aren’t hard to

pretty obvious examples aren’t hard to find I’ll give you a few my friend Mary

find I’ll give you a few my friend Mary

find I’ll give you a few my friend Mary had someone file her taxes for her now

had someone file her taxes for her now

had someone file her taxes for her now but not in a good way

but not in a good way

but not in a good way they got her social security number they

they got her social security number they

they got her social security number they got her name and they just made up the

got her name and they just made up the

got her name and they just made up the rest of the numbers and the dollars and

rest of the numbers and the dollars and

rest of the numbers and the dollars and all that got a big tax refund kicked off

all that got a big tax refund kicked off

all that got a big tax refund kicked off to some bank account somewhere and all

to some bank account somewhere and all

to some bank account somewhere and all that happened before she could figure it

that happened before she could figure it

that happened before she could figure it out now

out now

out now she got it sorted out but the taxpayers

she got it sorted out but the taxpayers

she got it sorted out but the taxpayers lost out on a big chunk of money those

lost out on a big chunk of money those

lost out on a big chunk of money those fraudsters got away with it here’s

fraudsters got away with it here’s

fraudsters got away with it here’s another example

another example

another example it’s no secret of history that some have

it’s no secret of history that some have

it’s no secret of history that some have escaped the reach of the Nuremberg

escaped the reach of the Nuremberg

escaped the reach of the Nuremberg trials right they got away with it one

trials right they got away with it one

trials right they got away with it one more my wife was in a car accident

more my wife was in a car accident

more my wife was in a car accident recently now thank god she’s okay but

recently now thank god she’s okay but

recently now thank god she’s okay but someone sped through a red light smashed

someone sped through a red light smashed

someone sped through a red light smashed into her I mean our car is toast it is

into her I mean our car is toast it is

into her I mean our car is toast it is totaled right and he bounces off of her

totaled right and he bounces off of her

totaled right and he bounces off of her his car flips over it’s sitting on its

his car flips over it’s sitting on its

his car flips over it’s sitting on its roof and he climbs out the window and

roof and he climbs out the window and

roof and he climbs out the window and runs he’s just he’s gone he got away

runs he’s just he’s gone he got away

runs he’s just he’s gone he got away with it so see evil can win but I want

with it so see evil can win but I want

with it so see evil can win but I want to ask a deeper question today does evil

to ask a deeper question today does evil

to ask a deeper question today does evil ultimately win in the end does good

ultimately win in the end does good

ultimately win in the end does good prevail is there more to justice than

prevail is there more to justice than

prevail is there more to justice than human courts and when we begin to ask

human courts and when we begin to ask

human courts and when we begin to ask questions like this at least in the

questions like this at least in the

questions like this at least in the Christian framework it raises the topic

Christian framework it raises the topic

Christian framework it raises the topic of Hell right if if justice comes to all

of Hell right if if justice comes to all

of Hell right if if justice comes to all then that some of that must be in the

then that some of that must be in the

then that some of that must be in the future right if God brings justice if no

future right if God brings justice if no

future right if God brings justice if no one can get out of the car and just run

one can get out of the car and just run

one can get out of the car and just run so to speak then we bring up this topic

so to speak then we bring up this topic

so to speak then we bring up this topic of Hell now maybe you’re thinking to

of Hell now maybe you’re thinking to

of Hell now maybe you’re thinking to yourself why the hell is this guy up

yourself why the hell is this guy up

yourself why the hell is this guy up here you should laugh I have a lot of

here you should laugh I have a lot of

here you should laugh I have a lot of those coming

those coming

those coming I’m an assistant professor of theology

I’m an assistant professor of theology

I’m an assistant professor of theology I’m a Christian theologian and how was

I’m a Christian theologian and how was

I’m a Christian theologian and how was one of my areas of expertise which I

one of my areas of expertise which I

one of my areas of expertise which I guess makes me hell boy which is kind of

guess makes me hell boy which is kind of

guess makes me hell boy which is kind of cool in my PhD studies I spent three

cool in my PhD studies I spent three

cool in my PhD studies I spent three years researching and writing on the

years researching and writing on the

years researching and writing on the topic of hell I gotta tell you that was

topic of hell I gotta tell you that was

topic of hell I gotta tell you that was absolute hell but I’ve been to hell and

absolute hell but I’ve been to hell and

absolute hell but I’ve been to hell and back again now I can tell you what the

back again now I can tell you what the

back again now I can tell you what the hell’s going on

hell’s going on

hell’s going on in fact I’m writing a whole book it’s a

in fact I’m writing a whole book it’s a

in fact I’m writing a whole book it’s a hell of a book now people ask me why

hell of a book now people ask me why

hell of a book now people ask me why would you choose this topic it’s a good

would you choose this topic it’s a good

would you choose this topic it’s a good question there’s a thousands of things I

question there’s a thousands of things I

question there’s a thousands of things I could write about I could write about

could write about I could write about

could write about I could write about Jesus is teaching on love or about the

Jesus is teaching on love or about the

Jesus is teaching on love or about the important Christian idea of forgiveness

important Christian idea of forgiveness

important Christian idea of forgiveness or about how God communicates to us why

or about how God communicates to us why

or about how God communicates to us why why would you choose hell I mean it’s

why would you choose hell I mean it’s

why would you choose hell I mean it’s not like I like thinking about this it’s

not like I like thinking about this it’s

not like I like thinking about this it’s not like that’s fun I’m not like a

not like that’s fun I’m not like a

not like that’s fun I’m not like a sadist or a masochist now it’s a

sadist or a masochist now it’s a

sadist or a masochist now it’s a depressing topic but one of the reasons

depressing topic but one of the reasons

depressing topic but one of the reasons I chose it is because it’s a topic where

I chose it is because it’s a topic where

I chose it is because it’s a topic where lots of people seem to have mistaken

lots of people seem to have mistaken

lots of people seem to have mistaken ideas and mistaken ideas can be quite

ideas and mistaken ideas can be quite

ideas and mistaken ideas can be quite the liability mistaken ideas about hell

the liability mistaken ideas about hell

the liability mistaken ideas about hell are nothing new they’ve been with us

are nothing new they’ve been with us

are nothing new they’ve been with us through history

through history

through history so consider here an example 15th century

so consider here an example 15th century

so consider here an example 15th century painting by a guy called Jairo Nima’s

painting by a guy called Jairo Nima’s

painting by a guy called Jairo Nima’s Bosch check out the vivid evils that are

Bosch check out the vivid evils that are

Bosch check out the vivid evils that are befallen the occupants of hell I’ll zoom

befallen the occupants of hell I’ll zoom

befallen the occupants of hell I’ll zoom in on a section here look at this guy

in on a section here look at this guy

in on a section here look at this guy he’s getting eaten by a bird man and

he’s getting eaten by a bird man and

he’s getting eaten by a bird man and birds are cut okay what a weird image

birds are cut okay what a weird image

birds are cut okay what a weird image right or maybe most ripe in our minds is

right or maybe most ripe in our minds is

right or maybe most ripe in our minds is the work of Dante the Italian poet who

the work of Dante the Italian poet who

the work of Dante the Italian poet who described how is burning blood a place

described how is burning blood a place

described how is burning blood a place where cannibals forever consume each

where cannibals forever consume each

where cannibals forever consume each other on the banks of the River Styx

other on the banks of the River Styx

other on the banks of the River Styx a place of thick blooming fire right

a place of thick blooming fire right

a place of thick blooming fire right here’s me in the Rodin sculpture gardens

here’s me in the Rodin sculpture gardens

here’s me in the Rodin sculpture gardens in Paris and this sculpture is called

in Paris and this sculpture is called

in Paris and this sculpture is called the gates of hell it’s based on the work

the gates of hell it’s based on the work

the gates of hell it’s based on the work of Dante and you can see here these

of Dante and you can see here these

of Dante and you can see here these decrepit deformed figures and

decrepit deformed figures and

decrepit deformed figures and right there in the middle the thinker

right there in the middle the thinker

right there in the middle the thinker right this famous thinker who’s

right this famous thinker who’s

right this famous thinker who’s contemplating all that he sees these

contemplating all that he sees these

contemplating all that he sees these types of images never really made sense

types of images never really made sense

types of images never really made sense to me weirdly vivid and evil I couldn’t

to me weirdly vivid and evil I couldn’t

to me weirdly vivid and evil I couldn’t quite put them in their place but bad

quite put them in their place but bad

quite put them in their place but bad ideas about Hell are nothing new we have

ideas about Hell are nothing new we have

ideas about Hell are nothing new we have them today whenever I start to talk

them today whenever I start to talk

them today whenever I start to talk about with students about how inevitably

about with students about how inevitably

about with students about how inevitably some themes come up right hell is a

some themes come up right hell is a

some themes come up right hell is a place where demons are running around

place where demons are running around

place where demons are running around and Satan has a pitchfork and he’s

and Satan has a pitchfork and he’s

and Satan has a pitchfork and he’s stabbing people and I’m like well wait

stabbing people and I’m like well wait

stabbing people and I’m like well wait wait why a pitchfork where did that come

wait why a pitchfork where did that come

wait why a pitchfork where did that come from what you know I did a Google image

from what you know I did a Google image

from what you know I did a Google image search for devil and hell I got a lot of

search for devil and hell I got a lot of

search for devil and hell I got a lot of Halloween costumes check out this one

Halloween costumes check out this one

Halloween costumes check out this one here ah like what the hell it’s a little

here ah like what the hell it’s a little

here ah like what the hell it’s a little scary

we seem to think that hell is this place

we seem to think that hell is this place of evil this place of fire with

of evil this place of fire with

of evil this place of fire with underground caves and lava lakes this

underground caves and lava lakes this

underground caves and lava lakes this medieval torture chamber where cruel

medieval torture chamber where cruel

medieval torture chamber where cruel punishment is inflicted but I think my

punishment is inflicted but I think my

punishment is inflicted but I think my favorite is when I did a Google image

favorite is when I did a Google image

favorite is when I did a Google image search for Hell lots of weird stuff

search for Hell lots of weird stuff

search for Hell lots of weird stuff comes up you get this imagery here of

comes up you get this imagery here of

comes up you get this imagery here of this demon figure it’s okay

this demon figure it’s okay

this demon figure it’s okay this one’s really kind of scary as

this one’s really kind of scary as

this one’s really kind of scary as people are melting I’m not sure what’s

people are melting I’m not sure what’s

people are melting I’m not sure what’s going on there

going on there

going on there my favorite I don’t have the copyright

my favorite I don’t have the copyright

my favorite I don’t have the copyright so I can’t show it to you but my

so I can’t show it to you but my

so I can’t show it to you but my favorite picture was this charred

favorite picture was this charred

favorite picture was this charred wasteland in front and there’s this big

wasteland in front and there’s this big

wasteland in front and there’s this big gate and on the other side of the gate

gate and on the other side of the gate

gate and on the other side of the gate is this huge towering fire inferno and

is this huge towering fire inferno and

is this huge towering fire inferno and on the gate it said h-e-l-l-o and when I

on the gate it said h-e-l-l-o and when I

on the gate it said h-e-l-l-o and when I saw that image I thought

saw that image I thought

saw that image I thought sowait is like English the official

sowait is like English the official

sowait is like English the official language of Hell that’s probably about

language of Hell that’s probably about

language of Hell that’s probably about right actually and what about people who

right actually and what about people who

right actually and what about people who don’t speak English right like they

don’t speak English right like they

don’t speak English right like they can’t read the sign how are they gonna

can’t read the sign how are they gonna

can’t read the sign how are they gonna know where they are or maybe it’ll just

know where they are or maybe it’ll just

know where they are or maybe it’ll just be obvious but then why would you even

be obvious but then why would you even

be obvious but then why would you even put up a sign i don’t know none of it

put up a sign i don’t know none of it

put up a sign i don’t know none of it made sense we seem to think that hell is

made sense we seem to think that hell is

made sense we seem to think that hell is this evil place a torture chamber where

this evil place a torture chamber where

this evil place a torture chamber where demons have authority to inflict random

demons have authority to inflict random

demons have authority to inflict random cruel pain on people

cruel pain on people

cruel pain on people and my challenge is this is that the

and my challenge is this is that the

and my challenge is this is that the right way to think about it about a year

right way to think about it about a year

right way to think about it about a year into my PhD studies my wife had a sinus

into my PhD studies my wife had a sinus

into my PhD studies my wife had a sinus infection that turned into a ruptured

infection that turned into a ruptured

infection that turned into a ruptured eardrum it’s very painful at the time

eardrum it’s very painful at the time

eardrum it’s very painful at the time she was pregnant and so her treatment

she was pregnant and so her treatment

she was pregnant and so her treatment options were were limited right

options were were limited right

options were were limited right she just had to ride it out and I

she just had to ride it out and I

she just had to ride it out and I remember her lying in bed writhing in

remember her lying in bed writhing in

remember her lying in bed writhing in pain

pain

pain I mean twisting and turning in anguish

I mean twisting and turning in anguish

I mean twisting and turning in anguish and as I lie there next to her holding

and as I lie there next to her holding

and as I lie there next to her holding her

her

her I remember thinking whatever hell is

I remember thinking whatever hell is

I remember thinking whatever hell is like it’s not like this this is this is

like it’s not like this this is this is

like it’s not like this this is this is random evil this is that this is evil

random evil this is that this is evil

random evil this is that this is evil and as a Christian I knew that God

and as a Christian I knew that God

and as a Christian I knew that God defeats evil that was a bit of an aha

defeats evil that was a bit of an aha

defeats evil that was a bit of an aha moment for me some things began to click

moment for me some things began to click

moment for me some things began to click my research was generally pointing me in

my research was generally pointing me in

my research was generally pointing me in a better direction of Hell and it

a better direction of Hell and it

a better direction of Hell and it clicked at that moment and and it fell

clicked at that moment and and it fell

clicked at that moment and and it fell into place now this idea about how

into place now this idea about how

into place now this idea about how quickly I need to preface this it’s not

quickly I need to preface this it’s not

quickly I need to preface this it’s not new I know that TED talks are supposed

new I know that TED talks are supposed

new I know that TED talks are supposed to be about new ideas but listen as a

to be about new ideas but listen as a

to be about new ideas but listen as a Christian theologian if you come up with

Christian theologian if you come up with

Christian theologian if you come up with an idea that’s totally new like you’re

an idea that’s totally new like you’re

an idea that’s totally new like you’re kind of doing something wrong right

now this is a renewed idea this is a

now this is a renewed idea this is a recovered idea this is one that can be

recovered idea this is one that can be

recovered idea this is one that can be found in Christian thought but it’s one

found in Christian thought but it’s one

found in Christian thought but it’s one that we need to hear today we need to

that we need to hear today we need to

that we need to hear today we need to hear that hell is about how God in Jesus

hear that hell is about how God in Jesus

hear that hell is about how God in Jesus Christ has the final victory over evil

Christ has the final victory over evil

Christ has the final victory over evil that’s it

that’s it

that’s it hell is not evil hell is about the

hell is not evil hell is about the

hell is not evil hell is about the defeat of evil hell is not this place of

defeat of evil hell is not this place of

defeat of evil hell is not this place of random torment no no it’s not a torture

random torment no no it’s not a torture

random torment no no it’s not a torture chamber hell is about the loss that is

chamber hell is about the loss that is

chamber hell is about the loss that is suffered by those who cling to the

suffered by those who cling to the

suffered by those who cling to the sinking ship of sin hell is not this

sinking ship of sin hell is not this

sinking ship of sin hell is not this quarantine area where in the end God

quarantine area where in the end God

quarantine area where in the end God just kind of gret crams all the evil

just kind of gret crams all the evil

just kind of gret crams all the evil that he doesn’t know what to do with no

that he doesn’t know what to do with no

that he doesn’t know what to do with no hell is but a footnote in the story of

hell is but a footnote in the story of

hell is but a footnote in the story of God’s grand victory over evil in the end

God’s grand victory over evil in the end

God’s grand victory over evil in the end the divine conquest wins everything is

the divine conquest wins everything is

the divine conquest wins everything is made right

made right

made right and hell is part of that you see part of

and hell is part of that you see part of

and hell is part of that you see part of our problem is that we start by

our problem is that we start by

our problem is that we start by conjuring up this idea of what hell is

conjuring up this idea of what hell is

conjuring up this idea of what hell is supposedly like and then reason from

supposedly like and then reason from

supposedly like and then reason from that – what does that say about God but

that – what does that say about God but

that – what does that say about God but that’s backwards you see we need to

that’s backwards you see we need to

that’s backwards you see we need to start with this idea that a good and

start with this idea that a good and

start with this idea that a good and loving God has defeated evil the

loving God has defeated evil the

loving God has defeated evil the Christian must insist that that victory

Christian must insist that that victory

Christian must insist that that victory was won on the cross and in the end that

was won on the cross and in the end that

was won on the cross and in the end that victory will leave nothing untouched no

victory will leave nothing untouched no

victory will leave nothing untouched no exceptions no asterisks right see right

exceptions no asterisks right see right

exceptions no asterisks right see right now the world’s gone wrong

now the world’s gone wrong

now the world’s gone wrong but everything that God has made will be

but everything that God has made will be

but everything that God has made will be made right with him again

made right with him again

made right with him again one way or another I don’t think that

one way or another I don’t think that

one way or another I don’t think that rules out the possibility of divine

rules out the possibility of divine

rules out the possibility of divine judgment that’s there but what it gives

judgment that’s there but what it gives

judgment that’s there but what it gives us is a picture of defeated rebels

us is a picture of defeated rebels

us is a picture of defeated rebels unable to continue on in rebellion sin

unable to continue on in rebellion sin

unable to continue on in rebellion sin shall be no more and even in hell evil

shall be no more and even in hell evil

shall be no more and even in hell evil has an expiration date God wins and he’s

has an expiration date God wins and he’s

has an expiration date God wins and he’s restores everything to full goodness in

restores everything to full goodness in

restores everything to full goodness in peace that’s the future

peace that’s the future

peace that’s the future now you might then say well listen if

now you might then say well listen if

now you might then say well listen if that’s the future why would you even

that’s the future why would you even

that’s the future why would you even include this unpleasant idea of Hell

include this unpleasant idea of Hell

include this unpleasant idea of Hell right I mean why not just throw it out

right I mean why not just throw it out

right I mean why not just throw it out altogether I can think of at least two

altogether I can think of at least two

altogether I can think of at least two reasons why we can’t just jettison the

reasons why we can’t just jettison the

reasons why we can’t just jettison the idea first what we do in this life

idea first what we do in this life

idea first what we do in this life matters everyone is held morally

matters everyone is held morally

matters everyone is held morally accountable no one truly gets away with

accountable no one truly gets away with

accountable no one truly gets away with it

it

it second like it or not the concept of

second like it or not the concept of

second like it or not the concept of Hell is there in the Christian

Hell is there in the Christian

Hell is there in the Christian scriptures Jesus talks about it a lot a

scriptures Jesus talks about it a lot a

scriptures Jesus talks about it a lot a responsible Christian needs to make

responsible Christian needs to make

responsible Christian needs to make sense of that she can’t ignore or deny

sense of that she can’t ignore or deny

sense of that she can’t ignore or deny those passages I’m not gonna walk you

those passages I’m not gonna walk you

those passages I’m not gonna walk you through them today but they’re there but

through them today but they’re there but

through them today but they’re there but a responsible Christian needs to

a responsible Christian needs to

a responsible Christian needs to understand hell in light of the truth of

understand hell in light of the truth of

understand hell in light of the truth of God’s victory okay so what might this

God’s victory okay so what might this

God’s victory okay so what might this refrain view of hell do for our thinking

refrain view of hell do for our thinking

refrain view of hell do for our thinking right is is Hell still a place where

right is is Hell still a place where

right is is Hell still a place where demons are in charge torturing people is

demons are in charge torturing people is

demons are in charge torturing people is Satan the CEO of hell

is is hell a place of fire and caves and

is is hell a place of fire and caves and lava and Birdmen eating people is that

lava and Birdmen eating people is that

lava and Birdmen eating people is that the right way to think about it no no

the right way to think about it no no

the right way to think about it no no even the demons are defeated they don’t

even the demons are defeated they don’t

even the demons are defeated they don’t have Authority or power the imagery of

have Authority or power the imagery of

have Authority or power the imagery of fire and flames is metaphor it is to

fire and flames is metaphor it is to

fire and flames is metaphor it is to take the worst that we could imagine in

take the worst that we could imagine in

take the worst that we could imagine in this life to help us get a glimpse of

this life to help us get a glimpse of

this life to help us get a glimpse of the truly unimaginable see with this

the truly unimaginable see with this

the truly unimaginable see with this reframed view of Hell it’s not about

reframed view of Hell it’s not about

reframed view of Hell it’s not about some cruel deviously creative torture

some cruel deviously creative torture

some cruel deviously creative torture chamber no hell is to be a shadow of

chamber no hell is to be a shadow of

chamber no hell is to be a shadow of what a human being ought to be hell is

what a human being ought to be hell is

what a human being ought to be hell is to be on the wrong side of history as

to be on the wrong side of history as

to be on the wrong side of history as much as one possibly could

hell is to be undone by opposition to

hell is to be undone by opposition to God’s goodness but still in the end to

God’s goodness but still in the end to

God’s goodness but still in the end to see that goodness for what it is it is

see that goodness for what it is it is

see that goodness for what it is it is for the defeated to even even them for

for the defeated to even even them for

for the defeated to even even them for unto understand that God’s victory is

unto understand that God’s victory is

unto understand that God’s victory is right and good it is to be paralyzed

right and good it is to be paralyzed

right and good it is to be paralyzed spiritually it is to be petrified in an

spiritually it is to be petrified in an

spiritually it is to be petrified in an state of loss of vitality I’m a parent I

state of loss of vitality I’m a parent I

state of loss of vitality I’m a parent I have a five and a seven year old

have a five and a seven year old

have a five and a seven year old daughter and I try to be a good parent I

daughter and I try to be a good parent I

daughter and I try to be a good parent I do my best but I’m not perfect I make

do my best but I’m not perfect I make

do my best but I’m not perfect I make mistakes now this hasn’t happened yet

mistakes now this hasn’t happened yet

mistakes now this hasn’t happened yet but imagine with me my daughter and I

but imagine with me my daughter and I

but imagine with me my daughter and I sit down at the kitchen table and she

sit down at the kitchen table and she

sit down at the kitchen table and she looks me square in the eye and she says

looks me square in the eye and she says

looks me square in the eye and she says daddy you lied to me daddy you lied to

daddy you lied to me daddy you lied to

daddy you lied to me daddy you lied to me and imagine this moment there’s no

me and imagine this moment there’s no

me and imagine this moment there’s no denial there’s no excuses it’s painfully

denial there’s no excuses it’s painfully

denial there’s no excuses it’s painfully and shamefully clear just exactly what I

and shamefully clear just exactly what I

and shamefully clear just exactly what I had done who I had hurt I shouldn’t

had done who I had hurt I shouldn’t

had done who I had hurt I shouldn’t think about that is really gut-wrenching

think about that is really gut-wrenching

think about that is really gut-wrenching right now I’m thankful to God that in

right now I’m thankful to God that in

right now I’m thankful to God that in that moment I could apologize to her I

that moment I could apologize to her I

that moment I could apologize to her I could promise to never do it again I

could promise to never do it again I

could promise to never do it again I could ask for her forgiveness but listen

could ask for her forgiveness but listen

could ask for her forgiveness but listen imagine if that option were no longer on

imagine if that option were no longer on

imagine if that option were no longer on the table and then imagine instead of my

the table and then imagine instead of my

the table and then imagine instead of my daughter it’s God himself sitting across

daughter it’s God himself sitting across

daughter it’s God himself sitting across from me and in that moment extended for

from me and in that moment extended for

from me and in that moment extended for an eternity all there is is the loss of

an eternity all there is is the loss of

an eternity all there is is the loss of vitality and life all there is a shame

vitality and life all there is a shame

vitality and life all there is a shame and regret unlike my wife writhing in

and regret unlike my wife writhing in

and regret unlike my wife writhing in pain from her eardrum that’s something

pain from her eardrum that’s something

pain from her eardrum that’s something that I can make some theological sense

that I can make some theological sense

that I can make some theological sense of that’s a little heavy that’s a hell

of that’s a little heavy that’s a hell

of that’s a little heavy that’s a hell of an idea right I think that this

of an idea right I think that this

of an idea right I think that this renewed idea of Hell is one that is more

renewed idea of Hell is one that is more

renewed idea of Hell is one that is more faithful to Christian scripture and a

faithful to Christian scripture and a

faithful to Christian scripture and a Christian thought I think it’s running

Christian thought I think it’s running

Christian thought I think it’s running through the Christian tradition but

through the Christian tradition but

through the Christian tradition but let’s let’s go so what what difference

let’s let’s go so what what difference

let’s let’s go so what what difference might this make well first the this

might this make well first the this

might this make well first the this means it’s part of a picture a part of a

means it’s part of a picture a part of a

means it’s part of a picture a part of a very encouraging picture one that can

very encouraging picture one that can

very encouraging picture one that can satisfy our sense of justice right it

satisfy our sense of justice right it

satisfy our sense of justice right it gives us a glimpse of what the world

gives us a glimpse of what the world

gives us a glimpse of what the world should look like what the world will

should look like what the world will

should look like what the world will look like evil loses God wins no

look like evil loses God wins no

look like evil loses God wins no exceptions even in how the stains of

exceptions even in how the stains of

exceptions even in how the stains of creaturely rebellion are vanished it’s

creaturely rebellion are vanished it’s

creaturely rebellion are vanished it’s no cruel torture chamber no sinners are

no cruel torture chamber no sinners are

no cruel torture chamber no sinners are defamed everything is made right

defamed everything is made right

defamed everything is made right everything reflects God’s goodness and

everything reflects God’s goodness and

everything reflects God’s goodness and his power with all the injustice is and

his power with all the injustice is and

his power with all the injustice is and all the ugliness we see in the world

all the ugliness we see in the world

all the ugliness we see in the world this vision is refreshing for the soul

this vision is refreshing for the soul

this vision is refreshing for the soul the second thing I want to say is that

the second thing I want to say is that

the second thing I want to say is that this can give us hope right this can

this can give us hope right this can

this can give us hope right this can give us hope a god really wins or as my

give us hope a god really wins or as my

give us hope a god really wins or as my daughter’s children’s Bible says in the

daughter’s children’s Bible says in the

daughter’s children’s Bible says in the end everything sad will come untrue that

end everything sad will come untrue that

end everything sad will come untrue that gives us hope and motivation even today

gives us hope and motivation even today

gives us hope and motivation even today to fight injustice to bring healing to

to fight injustice to bring healing to

to fight injustice to bring healing to the world to work towards restoration we

the world to work towards restoration we

the world to work towards restoration we all have a sense of right and wrong we

all have a sense of right and wrong we

all have a sense of right and wrong we all have a sense of justice and often

all have a sense of justice and often

all have a sense of justice and often that goes unfulfilled right injustice is

that goes unfulfilled right injustice is

that goes unfulfilled right injustice is abound with this renewed

abound with this renewed

abound with this renewed vision of hell God is victorious

vision of hell God is victorious

vision of hell God is victorious everyone is held morally accountable

everyone is held morally accountable

everyone is held morally accountable everything is made right tax fraud and

everything is made right tax fraud and

everything is made right tax fraud and genocide and hidden runs and all

genocide and hidden runs and all

genocide and hidden runs and all wrongdoings are defeated and those who

wrongdoings are defeated and those who

wrongdoings are defeated and those who don’t find forgiveness share in that

don’t find forgiveness share in that

don’t find forgiveness share in that fate as well in this better view of Hell

fate as well in this better view of Hell

fate as well in this better view of Hell God has the last word on evil and what

God has the last word on evil and what

God has the last word on evil and what we do in this life really matters and

we do in this life really matters and

we do in this life really matters and that’s what the hell is up with hell

that’s what the hell is up with hell

that’s what the hell is up with hell thank you

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