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good evening it’s a special honor for me

good evening it’s a special honor for me to be here at National Geographic

to be here at National Geographic

to be here at National Geographic because probably if I was born again I

because probably if I was born again I

because probably if I was born again I would give it a try to be part of this

would give it a try to be part of this

would give it a try to be part of this organization my poor kids all my life

organization my poor kids all my life

organization my poor kids all my life whenever we went on vacation once they

whenever we went on vacation once they

whenever we went on vacation once they told my little daughter said that why do

told my little daughter said that why do

told my little daughter said that why do we always end up in the boondocks

we always end up in the boondocks

we always end up in the boondocks because the passion to go to the jungle

because the passion to go to the jungle

because the passion to go to the jungle to go to the countryside to to go see

to go to the countryside to to go see

to go to the countryside to to go see nature and be close to it was close to

nature and be close to it was close to

nature and be close to it was close to my heart had a pleasure and honor to

my heart had a pleasure and honor to

my heart had a pleasure and honor to meet Bill Garrett when he was editor of

meet Bill Garrett when he was editor of

meet Bill Garrett when he was editor of the magazine I went to hear him speak at

the magazine I went to hear him speak at

the magazine I went to hear him speak at a university in Ando death had nothing

a university in Ando death had nothing

a university in Ando death had nothing to do there other than wanted to go hear

to do there other than wanted to go hear

to do there other than wanted to go hear him speak and we became very good

him speak and we became very good

him speak and we became very good friends and I enjoyed wonderful trips

friends and I enjoyed wonderful trips

friends and I enjoyed wonderful trips with him to Maya sites and photography

with him to Maya sites and photography

with him to Maya sites and photography and learned a lot from Bill Garrett he

and learned a lot from Bill Garrett he

and learned a lot from Bill Garrett he was a founder of the this wonderful

was a founder of the this wonderful

was a founder of the this wonderful organization incorporated here in

organization incorporated here in

organization incorporated here in Virginia La Ruta Maya Conservation

Virginia La Ruta Maya Conservation

Virginia La Ruta Maya Conservation Foundation and his vision was to

Foundation and his vision was to

Foundation and his vision was to preserve my heritage in different ways

preserve my heritage in different ways

preserve my heritage in different ways and and I took the presidency of this

and and I took the presidency of this

and and I took the presidency of this organization and took it to a different

organization and took it to a different

organization and took it to a different to a different emphasis in in and tried

to a different emphasis in in and tried

to a different emphasis in in and tried to do with it the best we could to

to do with it the best we could to

to do with it the best we could to preserve this heritage for what

preserve this heritage for what

preserve this heritage for what emmalin’s the piece you see on screen is

emmalin’s the piece you see on screen is

emmalin’s the piece you see on screen is is called the Cancun panel it narrates

is called the Cancun panel it narrates

is called the Cancun panel it narrates the history of the kings of Canaan their

the history of the kings of Canaan their

the history of the kings of Canaan their heritage who the who they fought who

heritage who the who they fought who

heritage who the who they fought who they captured and so forth a very

they captured and so forth a very

they captured and so forth a very important archaeological piece that the

important archaeological piece that the

important archaeological piece that the foundation acquired and it keeps today

foundation acquired and it keeps today

foundation acquired and it keeps today it offers to museums as this piece has

it offers to museums as this piece has

it offers to museums as this piece has traveled to world visiting museums and

traveled to world visiting museums and

traveled to world visiting museums and we are constantly putting it on loan for

we are constantly putting it on loan for

we are constantly putting it on loan for exhibits locally so we promote education

exhibits locally so we promote education

exhibits locally so we promote education and we are also trying to to archive and

and we are also trying to to archive and

and we are also trying to to archive and document everything that the collection

document everything that the collection

document everything that the collection has these pieces on screen are visors

has these pieces on screen are visors

has these pieces on screen are visors that were acquired here in the United

that were acquired here in the United

that were acquired here in the United States were received as donations here

States were received as donations here

States were received as donations here in the United States that were sent back

in the United States that were sent back

in the United States that were sent back home the piece here on the left is very

home the piece here on the left is very

home the piece here on the left is very important because that little Mickey

important because that little Mickey

important because that little Mickey Mouse guy with the ears on the bottom is

Mouse guy with the ears on the bottom is

Mouse guy with the ears on the bottom is done

done

done it’s a glyph for Mirador a site in the

it’s a glyph for Mirador a site in the

it’s a glyph for Mirador a site in the jungle so what I’m at a pre classic site

jungle so what I’m at a pre classic site

jungle so what I’m at a pre classic site and this glass was used to drink

and this glass was used to drink

and this glass was used to drink chocolate by the king when he was

chocolate by the king when he was

chocolate by the king when he was appointed King and around the VAS it

appointed King and around the VAS it

appointed King and around the VAS it says who his grandfather was who his

says who his grandfather was who his

says who his grandfather was who his father was who he is and today he’s

father was who he is and today he’s

father was who he is and today he’s appointed king of Mirador with the dates

appointed king of Mirador with the dates

appointed king of Mirador with the dates of all this so this is called an

of all this so this is called an

of all this so this is called an ascension cup archaeologically extremely

ascension cup archaeologically extremely

ascension cup archaeologically extremely interesting and extremely valuable this

interesting and extremely valuable this

interesting and extremely valuable this piece was donated by a collector here in

piece was donated by a collector here in

piece was donated by a collector here in United States and so piece is very

United States and so piece is very

United States and so piece is very artistic or archaeologically very

artistic or archaeologically very

artistic or archaeologically very important are what we are endeavoring to

important are what we are endeavoring to

important are what we are endeavoring to to bring to what emmalin’s through the

to bring to what emmalin’s through the

to bring to what emmalin’s through the to the collection

to the collection

to the collection we brought a container of pieces out of

we brought a container of pieces out of

we brought a container of pieces out of the United States and one shipment

the United States and one shipment

the United States and one shipment Sophia Pat is the executive director of

Sophia Pat is the executive director of

Sophia Pat is the executive director of the foundation you can see her smile on

the foundation you can see her smile on

the foundation you can see her smile on the face because she was so happy these

the face because she was so happy these

the face because she was so happy these pieces were coming back home bring the

pieces were coming back home bring the

pieces were coming back home bring the pieces back to what Amala

pieces back to what Amala

pieces back to what Amala is not a simple story there’s no

is not a simple story there’s no

is not a simple story there’s no legislation to bring them into the

legislation to bring them into the

legislation to bring them into the country so I bumped into customs with

country so I bumped into customs with

country so I bumped into customs with legislation that treats this these

legislation that treats this these

legislation that treats this these pieces that are Guatemalan pieces as

pieces that are Guatemalan pieces as

pieces that are Guatemalan pieces as merchandise they want us to pay duties

merchandise they want us to pay duties

merchandise they want us to pay duties when we bring them in I raise hell and I

when we bring them in I raise hell and I

when we bring them in I raise hell and I don’t pay the duties and I find a way to

don’t pay the duties and I find a way to

don’t pay the duties and I find a way to bring them in because I was so offended

bring them in because I was so offended

bring them in because I was so offended when they told me that we had a paid

when they told me that we had a paid

when they told me that we had a paid Duty I say these are Guatemalans coming

Duty I say these are Guatemalans coming

Duty I say these are Guatemalans coming back to Guatemala you cannot charge us

back to Guatemala you cannot charge us

back to Guatemala you cannot charge us for it in I even threatened to take him

for it in I even threatened to take him

for it in I even threatened to take him back bring him back to the States

back bring him back to the States

back bring him back to the States and

and

and but the truth is the fellow from custom

but the truth is the fellow from custom

but the truth is the fellow from custom says please don’t be angry with me I

says please don’t be angry with me I

says please don’t be angry with me I just don’t have legislation

just don’t have legislation

just don’t have legislation to back me up and I have to charge the

to back me up and I have to charge the

to back me up and I have to charge the duty so I got the Ministry of Culture to

duty so I got the Ministry of Culture to

duty so I got the Ministry of Culture to to run them through customs for me and

to run them through customs for me and

to run them through customs for me and they avoided the law and they we did not

they avoided the law and they we did not

they avoided the law and they we did not pay we did not pay the duties we have a

pay we did not pay the duties we have a

pay we did not pay the duties we have a law right now in hands of Congress that

law right now in hands of Congress that

law right now in hands of Congress that we have worked and spent quite a bit of

we have worked and spent quite a bit of

we have worked and spent quite a bit of an effort to correct this so we can in

an effort to correct this so we can in

an effort to correct this so we can in the future import these pieces legally

the future import these pieces legally

the future import these pieces legally in 2012 we bought these pieces in

in 2012 we bought these pieces in

in 2012 we bought these pieces in California they were part of a private

California they were part of a private

California they were part of a private collection very important pieces this

collection very important pieces this

collection very important pieces this these are part of a staircase of the of

these are part of a staircase of the of

these are part of a staircase of the of La Coruna a very important site that

La Coruna a very important site that

La Coruna a very important site that archaeologists were crazy looking for

archaeologists were crazy looking for

archaeologists were crazy looking for because they only knew by reference for

because they only knew by reference for

because they only knew by reference for the other side that La Coruna existed

the other side that La Coruna existed

the other side that La Coruna existed and it was finally found these pieces

and it was finally found these pieces

and it was finally found these pieces the companion of these pieces are in

the companion of these pieces are in

the companion of these pieces are in American museums illegally we’re going

American museums illegally we’re going

American museums illegally we’re going to ask nicely to see if we can get them

to ask nicely to see if we can get them

to ask nicely to see if we can get them back and if not later we will think of

back and if not later we will think of

back and if not later we will think of other ways but these these pieces need

other ways but these these pieces need

other ways but these these pieces need to go back they left the country

to go back they left the country

to go back they left the country illegally we can prove that there we

illegally we can prove that there we

illegally we can prove that there we have photographs of archaeologists at

have photographs of archaeologists at

have photographs of archaeologists at the site with these pieces and the last

the site with these pieces and the last

the site with these pieces and the last piece is very interesting because says

piece is very interesting because says

piece is very interesting because says this King enjoyed drinking pulque which

this King enjoyed drinking pulque which

this King enjoyed drinking pulque which is a wine made out of maize corn so the

is a wine made out of maize corn so the

is a wine made out of maize corn so the Maya had a lot of sense of humor not

Maya had a lot of sense of humor not

Maya had a lot of sense of humor not everything they put under stella’s is

everything they put under stella’s is

everything they put under stella’s is very important information like this one

very important information like this one

very important information like this one saying that he was drinking pulque but

saying that he was drinking pulque but

saying that he was drinking pulque but but they’re very important

but they’re very important

but they’re very important archaeologically for us and every piece

archaeologically for us and every piece

archaeologically for us and every piece we have we invest huge effort in

we have we invest huge effort in

we have we invest huge effort in documenting in our files for every piece

documenting in our files for every piece

documenting in our files for every piece are as good as any Museum here in the

are as good as any Museum here in the

are as good as any Museum here in the States

States

States we’re very proud of that we are working

we’re very proud of that we are working

we’re very proud of that we are working to put all these photographs online

to put all these photographs online

to put all these photographs online high-resolution 20 megapixel photography

high-resolution 20 megapixel photography

high-resolution 20 megapixel photography we’re putting them online as we speak

we’re putting them online as we speak

we’re putting them online as we speak every piece we abide by the law is

every piece we abide by the law is

every piece we abide by the law is properly registered with the National

properly registered with the National

properly registered with the National Registry of of Antiquities

Registry of of Antiquities

Registry of of Antiquities and the instant they become part of that

and the instant they become part of that

and the instant they become part of that registry they obviously are available to

registry they obviously are available to

registry they obviously are available to any researcher but if a researcher comes

any researcher but if a researcher comes

any researcher but if a researcher comes to us we make the pieces available the

to us we make the pieces available the

to us we make the pieces available the photography everything available for

photography everything available for

photography everything available for free our collection is right now 3300

free our collection is right now 3300

free our collection is right now 3300 pieces that are registered some as I as

pieces that are registered some as I as

pieces that are registered some as I as I say are extremely valuable and very

I say are extremely valuable and very

I say are extremely valuable and very important every Museum of the country

important every Museum of the country

important every Museum of the country has pieces from our collection and we

has pieces from our collection and we

has pieces from our collection and we focus today on that effort of

focus today on that effort of

focus today on that effort of documenting and repatriating and we have

documenting and repatriating and we have

documenting and repatriating and we have received donations from what AM Island

received donations from what AM Island

received donations from what AM Island collectors or international collectors

collectors or international collectors

collectors or international collectors one of the most touching moments for me

one of the most touching moments for me

one of the most touching moments for me I went to a house of a friend gives me a

I went to a house of a friend gives me a

I went to a house of a friend gives me a piece and I am admiring assisted my god

piece and I am admiring assisted my god

piece and I am admiring assisted my god this is it really an important piece and

this is it really an important piece and

this is it really an important piece and I’m putting back on the shelf

I’m putting back on the shelf

I’m putting back on the shelf said no no no no take it it’s for you

said no no no no take it it’s for you

said no no no no take it it’s for you for the museum it’s for the foundation

for the museum it’s for the foundation

for the museum it’s for the foundation my hair just you know you can imagine

my hair just you know you can imagine

my hair just you know you can imagine the emotion of receiving that and I have

the emotion of receiving that and I have

the emotion of receiving that and I have a friend in in North Carolina and he

a friend in in North Carolina and he

a friend in in North Carolina and he puts in my hands a mosaic Jade mask and

puts in my hands a mosaic Jade mask and

puts in my hands a mosaic Jade mask and and I’m putting it back says no no take

and I’m putting it back says no no take

and I’m putting it back says no no take it but take it fast before I change my

it but take it fast before I change my

it but take it fast before I change my mind and and I and I took it in my hand

mind and and I and I took it in my hand

mind and and I and I took it in my hand and I smuggled into the country and is

and I smuggled into the country and is

and I smuggled into the country and is happily sitting in a museum and Mosel

happily sitting in a museum and Mosel

happily sitting in a museum and Mosel Miraflores and what about a city today

Miraflores and what about a city today

Miraflores and what about a city today so this effort it’s it’s controversial

so this effort it’s it’s controversial

so this effort it’s it’s controversial some archeologists don’t like what I do

some archeologists don’t like what I do

some archeologists don’t like what I do I’m very proud of what I do and we can

I’m very proud of what I do and we can

I’m very proud of what I do and we can have a very solid discussion about it

have a very solid discussion about it

have a very solid discussion about it and we can agree to disagree but these

and we can agree to disagree but these

and we can agree to disagree but these are public places where our pieces are

are public places where our pieces are

are public places where our pieces are exhibited and they have no place in us

exhibited and they have no place in us

exhibited and they have no place in us in a warehouse I don’t have enough

in a warehouse I don’t have enough

in a warehouse I don’t have enough places to exhibit them and we need to

places to exhibit them and we need to

places to exhibit them and we need to create a place world-class place to

create a place world-class place to

create a place world-class place to exhibit the arts show of Los Angeles

exhibit the arts show of Los Angeles

exhibit the arts show of Los Angeles invited us to exhibit there and we

invited us to exhibit there and we

invited us to exhibit there and we presented the piece and the center

presented the piece and the center

presented the piece and the center there’s almost 10 feet long some

there’s almost 10 feet long some

there’s almost 10 feet long some monumental piece and it’s a very

monumental piece and it’s a very

monumental piece and it’s a very important piece we acquired from a

important piece we acquired from a

important piece we acquired from a collector

collector

collector these pieces today are should be the

these pieces today are should be the

these pieces today are should be the core of a museum and these pieces are

core of a museum and these pieces are

core of a museum and these pieces are part of the collection like this rattle

part of the collection like this rattle

part of the collection like this rattle here on the left for a child or for an

here on the left for a child or for an

here on the left for a child or for an instrument for music you can see there

instrument for music you can see there

instrument for music you can see there they’re really fun and very beautiful

they’re really fun and very beautiful

they’re really fun and very beautiful some of them and for example this bust

some of them and for example this bust

some of them and for example this bust is the only bust of that we know that

is the only bust of that we know that

is the only bust of that we know that comes from Tikal very beautiful also

comes from Tikal very beautiful also

comes from Tikal very beautiful also that’s a that piece we acquired in

that’s a that piece we acquired in

that’s a that piece we acquired in Florida and the one on the right there

Florida and the one on the right there

Florida and the one on the right there is a another vessel to drink chocolate

is a another vessel to drink chocolate

is a another vessel to drink chocolate Maya

Maya

Maya consider chocolate very important and it

consider chocolate very important and it

consider chocolate very important and it says Lord ah how so and so this is this

says Lord ah how so and so this is this

says Lord ah how so and so this is this cup for chocolate just like you have one

cup for chocolate just like you have one

cup for chocolate just like you have one in the kitchen that says sugar and this

in the kitchen that says sugar and this

in the kitchen that says sugar and this he had one that says chocolate so these

he had one that says chocolate so these

he had one that says chocolate so these are really fun piece is very beautiful

are really fun piece is very beautiful

are really fun piece is very beautiful and it takes us to the big dream we want

and it takes us to the big dream we want

and it takes us to the big dream we want to create a museum world-class museum we

to create a museum world-class museum we

to create a museum world-class museum we want to replicate the success of cities

want to replicate the success of cities

want to replicate the success of cities in Europe like Bilbao and the Museum of

in Europe like Bilbao and the Museum of

in Europe like Bilbao and the Museum of Bilbao that changed and in a fairly ugly

Bilbao that changed and in a fairly ugly

Bilbao that changed and in a fairly ugly industrial city into a cultural

industrial city into a cultural

industrial city into a cultural destination today Bilbao has 1.1 million

destination today Bilbao has 1.1 million

destination today Bilbao has 1.1 million tourists a year it did not receive

tourists a year it did not receive

tourists a year it did not receive before involved in formula was a crisis

before involved in formula was a crisis

before involved in formula was a crisis in Spain this last few years because we

in Spain this last few years because we

in Spain this last few years because we bow was receiving double or triple the

bow was receiving double or triple the

bow was receiving double or triple the tourism than the rest of the country was

tourism than the rest of the country was

tourism than the rest of the country was because of one museum if we can do that

because of one museum if we can do that

because of one museum if we can do that for what Amala we can increase the GNP

for what Amala we can increase the GNP

for what Amala we can increase the GNP by one percent because the country

by one percent because the country

by one percent because the country receives 1.8 million tourists a year I

receives 1.8 million tourists a year I

receives 1.8 million tourists a year I think the museum can bring 600,000

think the museum can bring 600,000

think the museum can bring 600,000 people a year the math we do with

people a year the math we do with

people a year the math we do with government one percentage increase in

government one percentage increase in

government one percentage increase in gross national product that could be

gross national product that could be

gross national product that could be done through culture through an

done through culture through an

done through culture through an institution like this so I won’t bore

institution like this so I won’t bore

institution like this so I won’t bore you with the museum but that’s my big

you with the museum but that’s my big

you with the museum but that’s my big dream today I’m dedicating and

dream today I’m dedicating and

dream today I’m dedicating and committing probably in next 10 or 20

committing probably in next 10 or 20

committing probably in next 10 or 20 years of my life that I hope we can

years of my life that I hope we can

years of my life that I hope we can enjoy to bring a world-class museum

enjoy to bring a world-class museum

enjoy to bring a world-class museum dedicated to the preservation of this

dedicated to the preservation of this

dedicated to the preservation of this wonderful heritage we went to the best

wonderful heritage we went to the best

wonderful heritage we went to the best art architects of the

art architects of the

art architects of the world and we found some architects in

world and we found some architects in

world and we found some architects in Switzerland this is seen from the an

Switzerland this is seen from the an

Switzerland this is seen from the an airplane view over the museum and this

airplane view over the museum and this

airplane view over the museum and this is the view of what we intend to build

is the view of what we intend to build

is the view of what we intend to build this is 60,000 square-foot building it

this is 60,000 square-foot building it

this is 60,000 square-foot building it will take quite a bit of money that we

will take quite a bit of money that we

will take quite a bit of money that we need to raise and we’re in the process

need to raise and we’re in the process

need to raise and we’re in the process of that the government will give us the

of that the government will give us the

of that the government will give us the land there’s a lot more to talk about

land there’s a lot more to talk about

land there’s a lot more to talk about that but the purpose is conservation the

that but the purpose is conservation the

that but the purpose is conservation the purpose is to bring well-being to our

purpose is to bring well-being to our

purpose is to bring well-being to our country through tourism and for me one

country through tourism and for me one

country through tourism and for me one of the biggest purposes is to give the

of the biggest purposes is to give the

of the biggest purposes is to give the Maya people of my country a sense of

Maya people of my country a sense of

Maya people of my country a sense of pride of being Indian a sense of pride

pride of being Indian a sense of pride

pride of being Indian a sense of pride of being Maya because there’s a huge

of being Maya because there’s a huge

of being Maya because there’s a huge heritage to be proud of and a museum

heritage to be proud of and a museum

heritage to be proud of and a museum like this would be built and created to

like this would be built and created to

like this would be built and created to celebrate that heritage so National

celebrate that heritage so National

celebrate that heritage so National Geographic with this invitation is

Geographic with this invitation is

Geographic with this invitation is giving us credibility for this effort in

giving us credibility for this effort in

giving us credibility for this effort in in for that I thank you very much thank

in for that I thank you very much thank

in for that I thank you very much thank you

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