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Using prehabilitation to prevent crime | Jonathan Jardine | TEDxLeamingtonSpa


good morning everyone so I’m not police

good morning everyone so I’m not police I don’t work for the police I work with

I don’t work for the police I work with

I don’t work for the police I work with the police and have done for a number of

the police and have done for a number of

the police and have done for a number of years now actually work strictly

years now actually work strictly

years now actually work strictly speaking for you my job on a day to day

speaking for you my job on a day to day

speaking for you my job on a day to day basis is taking your needs your

basis is taking your needs your

basis is taking your needs your requirements of the police as a victim

requirements of the police as a victim

requirements of the police as a victim of a crime or as a taxpayer and turning

of a crime or as a taxpayer and turning

of a crime or as a taxpayer and turning those into the sorts of things we want

those into the sorts of things we want

those into the sorts of things we want the police to do making sure they’re

the police to do making sure they’re

the police to do making sure they’re efficient and effective making sure even

efficient and effective making sure even

efficient and effective making sure even if you are arrested for example on

if you are arrested for example on

if you are arrested for example on suspicion of a crime that you’re treated

suspicion of a crime that you’re treated

suspicion of a crime that you’re treated fairly and safely and that’s what this

fairly and safely and that’s what this

fairly and safely and that’s what this talk is about it’s about turning your

talk is about it’s about turning your

talk is about it’s about turning your needs and whatever capacity whatever way

needs and whatever capacity whatever way

needs and whatever capacity whatever way you approach the police turning them

you approach the police turning them

you approach the police turning them into reality I want you to imagine that

into reality I want you to imagine that

into reality I want you to imagine that you have two superpowers the first

you have two superpowers the first

you have two superpowers the first superpower is the ability to predict who

superpower is the ability to predict who

superpower is the ability to predict who from in this room or in the wider

from in this room or in the wider

from in this room or in the wider community is likely likely to commit a

community is likely likely to commit a

community is likely likely to commit a crime the second superpower is a set

crime the second superpower is a set

crime the second superpower is a set number a finite number of tokens tokens

number a finite number of tokens tokens

number a finite number of tokens tokens that enable you to make interventions in

that enable you to make interventions in

that enable you to make interventions in the lives of people in order to try and

the lives of people in order to try and

the lives of people in order to try and prevent those crimes from happening the

prevent those crimes from happening the

prevent those crimes from happening the tokens don’t always work but you only

tokens don’t always work but you only

tokens don’t always work but you only have a set number with those two

have a set number with those two

have a set number with those two superpowers in mind what decisions would

superpowers in mind what decisions would

superpowers in mind what decisions would you make who would you pick what crimes

you make who would you pick what crimes

you make who would you pick what crimes would you seek to prevent would you

would you seek to prevent would you

would you seek to prevent would you choose burglary robbery sexual assaults

choose burglary robbery sexual assaults

choose burglary robbery sexual assaults or terrorism or organized crime how

or terrorism or organized crime how

or terrorism or organized crime how would you make your decision whose

would you make your decision whose

would you make your decision whose advice would you seek would you see the

advice would you seek would you see the

advice would you seek would you see the rise of police officers or victims of

rise of police officers or victims of

rise of police officers or victims of crime or the public more broadly or

crime or the public more broadly or

crime or the public more broadly or academia or research would you state

academia or research would you state

academia or research would you state publicly that you are making these

publicly that you are making these

publicly that you are making these decisions how would you expect to be

decisions how would you expect to be

decisions how would you expect to be held to account for the choices you made

held to account for the choices you made

held to account for the choices you made by picking one form of criminality to

by picking one form of criminality to

by picking one form of criminality to prevent over another and here’s the one

prevent over another and here’s the one

prevent over another and here’s the one that will really baked your noodle do

that will really baked your noodle do

that will really baked your noodle do you think there are any circumstances in

you think there are any circumstances in

you think there are any circumstances in which it would be appropriate for you

which it would be appropriate for you

which it would be appropriate for you based on your prediction to require

based on your prediction to require

based on your prediction to require somebody

somebody

somebody except the intervention that you can use

except the intervention that you can use

except the intervention that you can use your token for would it be possible to

your token for would it be possible to

your token for would it be possible to compel somebody to it to redo to deal

compel somebody to it to redo to deal

compel somebody to it to redo to deal with their potential criminality even

with their potential criminality even

with their potential criminality even though they hadn’t done it yet while he

though they hadn’t done it yet while he

though they hadn’t done it yet while he was thinking about that i’ll tell you

was thinking about that i’ll tell you

was thinking about that i’ll tell you about somebody i’ve never met but I feel

about somebody i’ve never met but I feel

about somebody i’ve never met but I feel I know quite well the man called Craig a

I know quite well the man called Craig a

I know quite well the man called Craig a few years ago Craig stabbed another man

few years ago Craig stabbed another man

few years ago Craig stabbed another man he’d never met on Broad Street his

he’d never met on Broad Street his

he’d never met on Broad Street his victim nearly died he suffered what we

victim nearly died he suffered what we

victim nearly died he suffered what we call in the public sector somewhat

call in the public sector somewhat

call in the public sector somewhat euphemistically life-changing injuries

euphemistically life-changing injuries

euphemistically life-changing injuries Craig went to jail for what he’d done I

Craig went to jail for what he’d done I

Craig went to jail for what he’d done I want initial response in many ways is to

want initial response in many ways is to

want initial response in many ways is to think good I’m glad Craig went to jail I

think good I’m glad Craig went to jail I

think good I’m glad Craig went to jail I had a miserable time when he was there

had a miserable time when he was there

had a miserable time when he was there for doing what he did but there’s more

for doing what he did but there’s more

for doing what he did but there’s more to his story than you might expect Craig

to his story than you might expect Craig

to his story than you might expect Craig was 15 when he stabbed that man on Broad

was 15 when he stabbed that man on Broad

was 15 when he stabbed that man on Broad Street if you want to know more about

Street if you want to know more about

Street if you want to know more about Craig story I’m surprisingly going to

Craig story I’m surprisingly going to

Craig story I’m surprisingly going to refer you to the West Midlands Police

refer you to the West Midlands Police

refer you to the West Midlands Police strategic assessment for this year

strategic assessment for this year

strategic assessment for this year normally I wouldn’t do that because

normally I wouldn’t do that because

normally I wouldn’t do that because they’re not very interesting documents

they’re not very interesting documents

they’re not very interesting documents as a ruler just a list of crimes and

as a ruler just a list of crimes and

as a ruler just a list of crimes and what we and the force plan to do about

what we and the force plan to do about

what we and the force plan to do about them but this year’s is different

them but this year’s is different

them but this year’s is different because it is literally Craig’s

because it is literally Craig’s

because it is literally Craig’s biography from before he was born right

biography from before he was born right

biography from before he was born right up to almost the present day long after

up to almost the present day long after

up to almost the present day long after the attack took place if you go to their

the attack took place if you go to their

the attack took place if you go to their website and read it well I advise you

website and read it well I advise you

website and read it well I advise you first to kind of brace yourself because

first to kind of brace yourself because

first to kind of brace yourself because it’s a tale of horror it’s a tale of

it’s a tale of horror it’s a tale of

it’s a tale of horror it’s a tale of abuse and violence it’s a tale of

abuse and violence it’s a tale of

abuse and violence it’s a tale of neglect you read Craig story and the

neglect you read Craig story and the

neglect you read Craig story and the things that happen to him and you think

things that happen to him and you think

things that happen to him and you think who would I be if that had been my

who would I be if that had been my

who would I be if that had been my childhood you also look at the story and

childhood you also look at the story and

childhood you also look at the story and you think while is there this succession

you think while is there this succession

you think while is there this succession of ineffectual and largely uncoordinated

of ineffectual and largely uncoordinated

of ineffectual and largely uncoordinated efforts by the public sector to try and

efforts by the public sector to try and

efforts by the public sector to try and put Craig on a different path

Kraig in a sense is West Midlands Police

Kraig in a sense is West Midlands Police his answer to the questions I posed to

his answer to the questions I posed to

his answer to the questions I posed to you about superpowers it’s Craig someone

you about superpowers it’s Craig someone

you about superpowers it’s Craig someone we should try and his life we should try

we should try and his life we should try

we should try and his life we should try and change Craig story tells you two

and change Craig story tells you two

and change Craig story tells you two things about the public sector though

things about the public sector though

things about the public sector though generalizations I know but worth saying

generalizations I know but worth saying

generalizations I know but worth saying first of all we’re not very good at

first of all we’re not very good at

first of all we’re not very good at predicting who is at the greatest risk

predicting who is at the greatest risk

predicting who is at the greatest risk and who poses the greatest risk and

and who poses the greatest risk and

and who poses the greatest risk and there’s two real reasons for that first

there’s two real reasons for that first

there’s two real reasons for that first of all we don’t exploit the data that we

of all we don’t exploit the data that we

of all we don’t exploit the data that we hold we hold lots of data about almost

hold we hold lots of data about almost

hold we hold lots of data about almost everybody and don’t properly analyze it

everybody and don’t properly analyze it

everybody and don’t properly analyze it also we don’t share it if you have the

also we don’t share it if you have the

also we don’t share it if you have the misfortune to read domestic homicide

misfortune to read domestic homicide

misfortune to read domestic homicide reviews or serious case reviews about

reviews or serious case reviews about

reviews or serious case reviews about the the death of children in care the

the the death of children in care the

the the death of children in care the story is almost always the same the

story is almost always the same the

story is almost always the same the mental health nurse didn’t know what the

mental health nurse didn’t know what the

mental health nurse didn’t know what the GP knew the social worker didn’t know

GP knew the social worker didn’t know

GP knew the social worker didn’t know what the police officer knew so we don’t

what the police officer knew so we don’t

what the police officer knew so we don’t use our data very well to to predict

use our data very well to to predict

use our data very well to to predict we’re also very poor at prevention

we’re also very poor at prevention

we’re also very poor at prevention generally speaking and part of the

generally speaking and part of the

generally speaking and part of the reason for that is that we allocate so

reason for that is that we allocate so

reason for that is that we allocate so much resource to reaction to what

much resource to reaction to what

much resource to reaction to what happens afterwards if you look at the

happens afterwards if you look at the

happens afterwards if you look at the public sector the big-spending parts are

public sector the big-spending parts are

public sector the big-spending parts are hospitals and prisons and courts and

hospitals and prisons and courts and

hospitals and prisons and courts and investigations not the preventative

investigations not the preventative

investigations not the preventative activity the bits where they spend the

activity the bits where they spend the

activity the bits where they spend the money or the bits where we’re responding

money or the bits where we’re responding

money or the bits where we’re responding to failure well that might be about to

to failure well that might be about to

to failure well that might be about to change some of you have already heard of

change some of you have already heard of

change some of you have already heard of something called predictive policing

something called predictive policing

something called predictive policing it’s pretty straightforward actually in

it’s pretty straightforward actually in

it’s pretty straightforward actually in its first generation iteration it is

its first generation iteration it is

its first generation iteration it is about using crime data to predict the

about using crime data to predict the

about using crime data to predict the places where crime will happen this is

places where crime will happen this is

places where crime will happen this is already taking place now if you go and

already taking place now if you go and

already taking place now if you go and talk to colleagues at british transport

talk to colleagues at british transport

talk to colleagues at british transport police they will tell you about how

police they will tell you about how

police they will tell you about how their patrol strategies use predictive

their patrol strategies use predictive

their patrol strategies use predictive policing to make sure that they’re

policing to make sure that they’re

policing to make sure that they’re police officers are in the right place

police officers are in the right place

police officers are in the right place at the right time to take away the

at the right time to take away the

at the right time to take away the opportunity for crimes to happen so you

opportunity for crimes to happen so you

opportunity for crimes to happen so you will see british transport police

will see british transport police

will see british transport police officers in railway stations very

officers in railway stations very

officers in railway stations very steadfastly sitting and standing in

steadfastly sitting and standing in

steadfastly sitting and standing in squares not much bigger than this stage

squares not much bigger than this stage

squares not much bigger than this stage for set periods of time at certain times

for set periods of time at certain times

for set periods of time at certain times a day and what that does is it takes

a day and what that does is it takes

a day and what that does is it takes away the opportunity because most crime

away the opportunity because most crime

away the opportunity because most crime is opportunistic it takes away the

is opportunistic it takes away the

is opportunistic it takes away the opportunity

opportunity

opportunity for the crime of robbery or shoplifting

for the crime of robbery or shoplifting

for the crime of robbery or shoplifting or violent crime perhaps even to take

or violent crime perhaps even to take

or violent crime perhaps even to take place that’s first-generation predictive

place that’s first-generation predictive

place that’s first-generation predictive policing it’s here already it is already

policing it’s here already it is already

policing it’s here already it is already however generating significant

however generating significant

however generating significant controversy if you go to the American

controversy if you go to the American

controversy if you go to the American Civil Liberties Union website there’s a

Civil Liberties Union website there’s a

Civil Liberties Union website there’s a statement there by them and 15 other

statement there by them and 15 other

statement there by them and 15 other human rights bodies saying how dangerous

human rights bodies saying how dangerous

human rights bodies saying how dangerous this technology is they point out that

this technology is they point out that

this technology is they point out that it could be used for even more draconian

it could be used for even more draconian

it could be used for even more draconian enforcement rather than actual

enforcement rather than actual

enforcement rather than actual prevention it could be used as a way to

prevention it could be used as a way to

prevention it could be used as a way to catch more people incarcerate more

catch more people incarcerate more

catch more people incarcerate more people rather than prevent and even more

people rather than prevent and even more

people rather than prevent and even more tellingly they make the point which is

tellingly they make the point which is

tellingly they make the point which is one we’ve got to think about throughout

one we’ve got to think about throughout

one we’ve got to think about throughout this whole debate that the data sets on

this whole debate that the data sets on

this whole debate that the data sets on which these predictions are being made

which these predictions are being made

which these predictions are being made are built on the institutional biases of

are built on the institutional biases of

are built on the institutional biases of the organizations that collected the

the organizations that collected the

the organizations that collected the data so you put data in that’s biased

data so you put data in that’s biased

data so you put data in that’s biased against particular ethnicities or

against particular ethnicities or

against particular ethnicities or particular social groups and you come

particular social groups and you come

particular social groups and you come out with predictions that are biased

out with predictions that are biased

out with predictions that are biased against those groups too then these

against those groups too then these

against those groups too then these concerns are very real but the

concerns are very real but the

concerns are very real but the technology is racing forward we’re

technology is racing forward we’re

technology is racing forward we’re moving away from prediction based solely

moving away from prediction based solely

moving away from prediction based solely on place to predictions based on

on place to predictions based on

on place to predictions based on individual behavior in the coming years

individual behavior in the coming years

individual behavior in the coming years we will see the public sector and

we will see the public sector and

we will see the public sector and policing in particular start to create

policing in particular start to create

policing in particular start to create enormous fused multi-channel data lakes

enormous fused multi-channel data lakes

enormous fused multi-channel data lakes with data held to common standards that

with data held to common standards that

with data held to common standards that allow the application of increasingly

allow the application of increasingly

allow the application of increasingly sophisticated algorithms that enable

sophisticated algorithms that enable

sophisticated algorithms that enable genuine predictions to be made with a

genuine predictions to be made with a

genuine predictions to be made with a fair degree of accuracy about the

fair degree of accuracy about the

fair degree of accuracy about the behavior of individuals including their

behavior of individuals including their

behavior of individuals including their propensity towards criminality and their

propensity towards criminality and their

propensity towards criminality and their propensity towards victimhood we’re

propensity towards victimhood we’re

propensity towards victimhood we’re going to see things like and they’re

going to see things like and they’re

going to see things like and they’re starting to see the prototypes of these

starting to see the prototypes of these

starting to see the prototypes of these now software based on real people that

now software based on real people that

now software based on real people that predicts when they will predict the

predicts when they will predict the

predicts when they will predict the commit their next crime where they will

commit their next crime where they will

commit their next crime where they will be when they do so and who they’ll be

be when they do so and who they’ll be

be when they do so and who they’ll be associating with real-life simulations

associating with real-life simulations

associating with real-life simulations of real people the same technology will

of real people the same technology will

of real people the same technology will also be used for developing search

also be used for developing search

also be used for developing search patterns for repeat missing children by

patterns for repeat missing children by

patterns for repeat missing children by knowing their associations and their

knowing their associations and their

knowing their associations and their patterns of behavior will be able to

patterns of behavior will be able to

patterns of behavior will be able to generate

generate

generate tighter search patterns to make it

tighter search patterns to make it

tighter search patterns to make it easier to find them your local police

easier to find them your local police

easier to find them your local police officers will be equipped with targeted

officers will be equipped with targeted

officers will be equipped with targeted intervention and prevention tools the

intervention and prevention tools the

intervention and prevention tools the essentially databases of everybody on

essentially databases of everybody on

essentially databases of everybody on their patch who’s likely to be a victim

their patch who’s likely to be a victim

their patch who’s likely to be a victim and what crime will there be a victim of

and what crime will there be a victim of

and what crime will there be a victim of who’s likely to be a criminal or commit

who’s likely to be a criminal or commit

who’s likely to be a criminal or commit a criminal act and what will be the

a criminal act and what will be the

a criminal act and what will be the crime that they predict that they are

crime that they predict that they are

crime that they predict that they are predicted to it to commit our Public

predicted to it to commit our Public

predicted to it to commit our Public Health colleagues are going to use the

Health colleagues are going to use the

Health colleagues are going to use the same technology even now we’re starting

same technology even now we’re starting

same technology even now we’re starting to see databases that enable community

to see databases that enable community

to see databases that enable community health practitioners to walk down the

health practitioners to walk down the

health practitioners to walk down the street and know who in which houses is

street and know who in which houses is

street and know who in which houses is likely to die in the next two years on a

likely to die in the next two years on a

likely to die in the next two years on a more strategic level we will see

more strategic level we will see

more strategic level we will see analysis of adverse childhood

analysis of adverse childhood

analysis of adverse childhood experiences as an indicator as a measure

experiences as an indicator as a measure

experiences as an indicator as a measure of lightly propensity to either

of lightly propensity to either

of lightly propensity to either victimhood or criminality and these data

victimhood or criminality and these data

victimhood or criminality and these data sets and these predictions will become

sets and these predictions will become

sets and these predictions will become the norm in different parts of the

the norm in different parts of the

the norm in different parts of the public sector in policing the

public sector in policing the

public sector in policing the opportunity presented is almost leaving

opportunity presented is almost leaving

opportunity presented is almost leaving officers like giddy with excitement

officers like giddy with excitement

officers like giddy with excitement because it offers the real potential to

because it offers the real potential to

because it offers the real potential to start to address those concerns in the

start to address those concerns in the

start to address those concerns in the public sector I talked about before of

public sector I talked about before of

public sector I talked about before of shifting resources away from reaction

shifting resources away from reaction

shifting resources away from reaction and into prevention it is transformative

and into prevention it is transformative

and into prevention it is transformative I know it’s an overworked word so I’ve

I know it’s an overworked word so I’ve

I know it’s an overworked word so I’ve actually come up with a new word for it

actually come up with a new word for it

actually come up with a new word for it this word prehabilitation because it’s

this word prehabilitation because it’s

this word prehabilitation because it’s about prediction prevention and

about prediction prevention and

about prediction prevention and habilitation not after the event earlier

habilitation not after the event earlier

habilitation not after the event earlier targeted intervention it’s no

targeted intervention it’s no

targeted intervention it’s no coincidence that the current Chief

coincidence that the current Chief

coincidence that the current Chief Constable of west midlands police in his

Constable of west midlands police in his

Constable of west midlands police in his commencement address when he took up the

commencement address when he took up the

commencement address when he took up the role he spoke about the duty of the

role he spoke about the duty of the

role he spoke about the duty of the police to offer the hand of friendship

police to offer the hand of friendship

police to offer the hand of friendship to those in need he wasn’t just talking

to those in need he wasn’t just talking

to those in need he wasn’t just talking about victims of crime what he was

about victims of crime what he was

about victims of crime what he was talking about is those who are at risk

talking about is those who are at risk

talking about is those who are at risk who are vulnerable to becoming involved

who are vulnerable to becoming involved

who are vulnerable to becoming involved in criminality it’s an extraordinary

in criminality it’s an extraordinary

in criminality it’s an extraordinary opportunity but there are so many

opportunity but there are so many

opportunity but there are so many questions to be answered and like those

questions to be answered and like those

questions to be answered and like those that I posed at the start about what

that I posed at the start about what

that I posed at the start about what would you do with your superpowers how

would you do with your superpowers how

would you do with your superpowers how would you be held to account so that is

would you be held to account so that is

would you be held to account so that is racing forward right now it’s happening

racing forward right now it’s happening

racing forward right now it’s happening right now the issue then is how do we

right now the issue then is how do we

right now the issue then is how do we govern it how do we run this how do we

govern it how do we run this how do we

govern it how do we run this how do we manage this and it’s being developed in

manage this and it’s being developed in

manage this and it’s being developed in the context of something called

the context of something called

the context of something called operational independence if a crime is

operational independence if a crime is

operational independence if a crime is committed the police have all

committed the police have all

committed the police have all me to go away and figure out who to

me to go away and figure out who to

me to go away and figure out who to investigate on how to investigate we use

investigate on how to investigate we use

investigate on how to investigate we use the same methodology in medicine as well

the same methodology in medicine as well

the same methodology in medicine as well whereby if you are sick if you fallen

whereby if you are sick if you fallen

whereby if you are sick if you fallen ill you work with your GP or your

ill you work with your GP or your

ill you work with your GP or your medical practitioner to figure out what

medical practitioner to figure out what

medical practitioner to figure out what treatment you receive and no one else

treatment you receive and no one else

treatment you receive and no one else has a right to tell you how to do that

has a right to tell you how to do that

has a right to tell you how to do that no one else has the right to tell the

no one else has the right to tell the

no one else has the right to tell the police how to investigate a crime that

police how to investigate a crime that

police how to investigate a crime that reactive model is about dealing with

reactive model is about dealing with

reactive model is about dealing with things that have been happened in the

things that have been happened in the

things that have been happened in the past but we’re talking about predicting

past but we’re talking about predicting

past but we’re talking about predicting and preventing things that are happening

and preventing things that are happening

and preventing things that are happening in the future and my argument today is

in the future and my argument today is

in the future and my argument today is if we’re talking about the future then

if we’re talking about the future then

if we’re talking about the future then how we govern the use of that technology

how we govern the use of that technology

how we govern the use of that technology must require more of us to be involved

must require more of us to be involved

must require more of us to be involved it must require democratic legitimacy

it must require democratic legitimacy

it must require democratic legitimacy must require a degree of public

must require a degree of public

must require a degree of public accountability so there are a number of

accountability so there are a number of

accountability so there are a number of models we can use to how we do that but

models we can use to how we do that but

models we can use to how we do that but I see a future where politicians perhaps

I see a future where politicians perhaps

I see a future where politicians perhaps standing for elected office will have to

standing for elected office will have to

standing for elected office will have to say in their manifestos which data sets

say in their manifestos which data sets

say in their manifestos which data sets do I trust what risks am I trying to

do I trust what risks am I trying to

do I trust what risks am I trying to manage what is it that I’m trying to

manage what is it that I’m trying to

manage what is it that I’m trying to prevent what are the circumstances in

prevent what are the circumstances in

prevent what are the circumstances in which i think compulsion to deal with a

which i think compulsion to deal with a

which i think compulsion to deal with a prediction is appropriate some of the

prediction is appropriate some of the

prediction is appropriate some of the things we can learn from other ways of

things we can learn from other ways of

things we can learn from other ways of doing this the police use intrusive

doing this the police use intrusive

doing this the police use intrusive surveillance all the time against

surveillance all the time against

surveillance all the time against against potential criminality but there

against potential criminality but there

against potential criminality but there are there is a graded schedule of

are there is a graded schedule of

are there is a graded schedule of authorizations that are required before

authorizations that are required before

authorizations that are required before those that surveillance can take place

those that surveillance can take place

those that surveillance can take place going all the way up to the Home

going all the way up to the Home

going all the way up to the Home Secretary interestingly but what there

Secretary interestingly but what there

Secretary interestingly but what there also is is an external to external

also is is an external to external

also is is an external to external inspectorate’s whose job it is to make

inspectorate’s whose job it is to make

inspectorate’s whose job it is to make sure got looking in from outside that

sure got looking in from outside that

sure got looking in from outside that the way that those intrusive

the way that those intrusive

the way that those intrusive surveillance technologies are used is

surveillance technologies are used is

surveillance technologies are used is proportionate and lawful I think we need

proportionate and lawful I think we need

proportionate and lawful I think we need we’re going to need an inspector it for

we’re going to need an inspector it for

we’re going to need an inspector it for prehabilitation some kind of external

prehabilitation some kind of external

prehabilitation some kind of external body that looks in on how these

body that looks in on how these

body that looks in on how these technologies are being used if we’re

technologies are being used if we’re

technologies are being used if we’re talking about compliance requiring

talking about compliance requiring

talking about compliance requiring compliance with an intervention based on

compliance with an intervention based on

compliance with an intervention based on a prediction maybe we’ll need some kind

a prediction maybe we’ll need some kind

a prediction maybe we’ll need some kind of quasi judicial process that allows

of quasi judicial process that allows

of quasi judicial process that allows but arguments for and against the

but arguments for and against the

but arguments for and against the intervention to be considered in a

intervention to be considered in a

intervention to be considered in a balanced and structured way it’ll give a

balanced and structured way it’ll give a

balanced and structured way it’ll give a whole new meaning to the word pretrial

whole new meaning to the word pretrial

whole new meaning to the word pretrial about whether or not an intervention is

about whether or not an intervention is

about whether or not an intervention is justified and also there is a room for

justified and also there is a room for

justified and also there is a room for something close to a Medical Ethics

something close to a Medical Ethics

something close to a Medical Ethics Committee in medical research if a trial

Committee in medical research if a trial

Committee in medical research if a trial is to go ahead or oh the introduction of

is to go ahead or oh the introduction of

is to go ahead or oh the introduction of a new a new drug or a new protocol

a new a new drug or a new protocol

a new a new drug or a new protocol medical ethics committees made up of lay

medical ethics committees made up of lay

medical ethics committees made up of lay members of the public researchers

members of the public researchers

members of the public researchers practitioners come together to weigh the

practitioners come together to weigh the

practitioners come together to weigh the pros and cons and proportionality of the

pros and cons and proportionality of the

pros and cons and proportionality of the intervention to see if it’s safe to see

intervention to see if it’s safe to see

intervention to see if it’s safe to see if it’s the right thing to do all three

if it’s the right thing to do all three

if it’s the right thing to do all three of those different ways of working have

of those different ways of working have

of those different ways of working have something to offer in the

something to offer in the

something to offer in the prehabilitation space if we call it that

prehabilitation space if we call it that

prehabilitation space if we call it that but they don’t go far enough because

but they don’t go far enough because

but they don’t go far enough because they are in effect unaccountable and

they are in effect unaccountable and

they are in effect unaccountable and generally speaking they take place away

generally speaking they take place away

generally speaking they take place away secluded from the public gaze what we

secluded from the public gaze what we

secluded from the public gaze what we need is some is this if this technology

need is some is this if this technology

need is some is this if this technology is going to be accepted by everybody in

is going to be accepted by everybody in

is going to be accepted by everybody in this room and beyond we need much more

this room and beyond we need much more

this room and beyond we need much more public legitimacy before it can blink

public legitimacy before it can blink

public legitimacy before it can blink them implemented now I’m gonna have to

them implemented now I’m gonna have to

them implemented now I’m gonna have to declare an interest because I think

declare an interest because I think

declare an interest because I think police and crime commissioners are

police and crime commissioners are

police and crime commissioners are important in this debate police and

important in this debate police and

important in this debate police and crime commissioners are the local

crime commissioners are the local

crime commissioners are the local governing body for policing I work for a

governing body for policing I work for a

governing body for policing I work for a police and crime Commissioner I run a PC

police and crime Commissioner I run a PC

police and crime Commissioner I run a PC sees office but they are I hope one of

sees office but they are I hope one of

sees office but they are I hope one of the routes one of the mechanisms by

the routes one of the mechanisms by

the routes one of the mechanisms by which this technology can be brought in

which this technology can be brought in

which this technology can be brought in in a way that carries the public with us

in a way that carries the public with us

in a way that carries the public with us they have a number of key advantages

they have a number of key advantages

they have a number of key advantages first of all they’re really new police

first of all they’re really new police

first of all they’re really new police and crime commissioners are only four

and crime commissioners are only four

and crime commissioners are only four years old this year the elections first

years old this year the elections first

years old this year the elections first elections were in 2012 newness is good

elections were in 2012 newness is good

elections were in 2012 newness is good because newness means you can innovate

because newness means you can innovate

because newness means you can innovate it means you’re not bound by a rule book

it means you’re not bound by a rule book

it means you’re not bound by a rule book you’re writing the rule but we’re making

you’re writing the rule but we’re making

you’re writing the rule but we’re making it up as we go along about what it is to

it up as we go along about what it is to

it up as we go along about what it is to be a police and crime Commissioner the

be a police and crime Commissioner the

be a police and crime Commissioner the second thing they do is they control the

second thing they do is they control the

second thing they do is they control the money so they set the budgets for

money so they set the budgets for

money so they set the budgets for policing and they set the local

policing and they set the local

policing and they set the local preceptor parts of council tax that goes

preceptor parts of council tax that goes

preceptor parts of council tax that goes to policing controlling the money’s

to policing controlling the money’s

to policing controlling the money’s really important because problem money

really important because problem money

really important because problem money means you can start to shift resources

means you can start to shift resources

means you can start to shift resources away from reaction and towards

away from reaction and towards

away from reaction and towards preventive services moving move

preventive services moving move

preventive services moving move resources away from response teams and

resources away from response teams and

resources away from response teams and investigation teams and towards better

investigation teams and towards better

investigation teams and towards better support for people with mental health

support for people with mental health

support for people with mental health needs better support for new parents who

needs better support for new parents who

needs better support for new parents who are struggling better support for people

are struggling better support for people

are struggling better support for people with substance abuse mentoring schemes

with substance abuse mentoring schemes

with substance abuse mentoring schemes things like that PCCs can help that

things like that PCCs can help that

things like that PCCs can help that shift

shift

shift takes place and thirdly the obvious

takes place and thirdly the obvious

takes place and thirdly the obvious point but important one is they’re

point but important one is they’re

point but important one is they’re elected they voted in by the public and

elected they voted in by the public and

elected they voted in by the public and that means two things first of all

that means two things first of all

that means two things first of all they’ve got a degree of legitimacy to

they’ve got a degree of legitimacy to

they’ve got a degree of legitimacy to make decisions they have the right to

make decisions they have the right to

make decisions they have the right to hold the roll but even more importantly

hold the roll but even more importantly

hold the roll but even more importantly being elected makes you responsive to

being elected makes you responsive to

being elected makes you responsive to the public it means you have to listen

the public it means you have to listen

the public it means you have to listen to the public it means you see the

to the public it means you see the

to the public it means you see the public as your constituency and the

public as your constituency and the

public as your constituency and the public are critical to this debate

public are critical to this debate

public are critical to this debate prehabilitation preventatives policing

prehabilitation preventatives policing

prehabilitation preventatives policing whatever you want to call it it’s the

whatever you want to call it it’s the

whatever you want to call it it’s the best opportunity to get real value from

best opportunity to get real value from

best opportunity to get real value from the public sector and bring real change

the public sector and bring real change

the public sector and bring real change in the public sector that I’ve seen in

in the public sector that I’ve seen in

in the public sector that I’ve seen in 15 years as a public servant I’ve seen

15 years as a public servant I’ve seen

15 years as a public servant I’ve seen loads of different things tried to make

loads of different things tried to make

loads of different things tried to make the public sector more effective and

the public sector more effective and

the public sector more effective and this is the one that I’m hanging more

this is the one that I’m hanging more

this is the one that I’m hanging more hope than anything I’ve seen in the past

hope than anything I’ve seen in the past

hope than anything I’ve seen in the past it dot offers a huge and genuine

it dot offers a huge and genuine

it dot offers a huge and genuine opportunity to transform people’s lives

opportunity to transform people’s lives

opportunity to transform people’s lives to actually start to get real value out

to actually start to get real value out

to actually start to get real value out of that public spend by being able to

of that public spend by being able to

of that public spend by being able to target it so much more effectively

target it so much more effectively

target it so much more effectively against the people who need it the most

against the people who need it the most

against the people who need it the most but the people who need it the most

but the people who need it the most

but the people who need it the most that’s a value Laden judgment you have

that’s a value Laden judgment you have

that’s a value Laden judgment you have to decide what you value the most in

to decide what you value the most in

to decide what you value the most in order to decide who needs something the

order to decide who needs something the

order to decide who needs something the most and so if those decisions about

most and so if those decisions about

most and so if those decisions about where those interventions go ahead take

where those interventions go ahead take

where those interventions go ahead take place within the context of the old

place within the context of the old

place within the context of the old operational independence paradigm I fear

operational independence paradigm I fear

operational independence paradigm I fear that we’re on a route towards occluded

that we’re on a route towards occluded

that we’re on a route towards occluded secluded hidden decision-making where

secluded hidden decision-making where

secluded hidden decision-making where they won’t be legitimacy where there

they won’t be legitimacy where there

they won’t be legitimacy where there won’t be public accountability and the

won’t be public accountability and the

won’t be public accountability and the risk is that down that road lies scandal

risk is that down that road lies scandal

risk is that down that road lies scandal and failure and this huge opportunity

and failure and this huge opportunity

and failure and this huge opportunity that we’ve got will be lost there has to

that we’ve got will be lost there has to

that we’ve got will be lost there has to be democratically elected leadership

be democratically elected leadership

be democratically elected leadership public publicly accountable transparent

public publicly accountable transparent

public publicly accountable transparent decision-making so that we go into this

decision-making so that we go into this

decision-making so that we go into this new world of using data to inform public

new world of using data to inform public

new world of using data to inform public sector decisions in an open accountable

sector decisions in an open accountable

sector decisions in an open accountable and genuinely transformative a

and genuinely transformative a

and genuinely transformative a life-saving way thank you very much

life-saving way thank you very much

life-saving way thank you very much indeed

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