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What Moral Psychology Can Tell Us About Army Ethics | Sam Kolling | TEDxWestPoint


all right good afternoon everyone my

all right good afternoon everyone my name is cadet Sam coaling and I’m

name is cadet Sam coaling and I’m

name is cadet Sam coaling and I’m excited to talk to you today but some

excited to talk to you today but some

excited to talk to you today but some ideas I’ve been studying for a while and

ideas I’ve been studying for a while and

ideas I’ve been studying for a while and then I find both very interesting and

then I find both very interesting and

then I find both very interesting and important the title of my presentation

important the title of my presentation

important the title of my presentation is forget everything you know about

is forget everything you know about

is forget everything you know about character my thesis the big idea of this

character my thesis the big idea of this

character my thesis the big idea of this talk can be summed up in the following

talk can be summed up in the following

talk can be summed up in the following three points one character traits are

three points one character traits are

three points one character traits are far more rare and significantly less

far more rare and significantly less

far more rare and significantly less robust and we would like to believe two

robust and we would like to believe two

robust and we would like to believe two seemingly insignificant situational

seemingly insignificant situational

seemingly insignificant situational factors have much more to do with moral

factors have much more to do with moral

factors have much more to do with moral decisions than was previously understood

decisions than was previously understood

decisions than was previously understood three embracing and applying this

three embracing and applying this

three embracing and applying this knowledge as an organizational leader

knowledge as an organizational leader

knowledge as an organizational leader can be a force multiplier

can be a force multiplier

can be a force multiplier in short character as you and I have

in short character as you and I have

in short character as you and I have always known it does not exist in

always known it does not exist in

always known it does not exist in academic philosophy and psychology this

academic philosophy and psychology this

academic philosophy and psychology this position is known as situationism it’s

position is known as situationism it’s

position is known as situationism it’s uncomfortable at first but I think

uncomfortable at first but I think

uncomfortable at first but I think applying it can make us more effective

applying it can make us more effective

applying it can make us more effective people so let’s talk about this status

people so let’s talk about this status

people so let’s talk about this status quo theory of character ethics the

quo theory of character ethics the

quo theory of character ethics the incumbent theory of ethics uses this

incumbent theory of ethics uses this

incumbent theory of ethics uses this kind of terminology I think it’ll be

kind of terminology I think it’ll be

kind of terminology I think it’ll be familiar to you everyone has traits

familiar to you everyone has traits

familiar to you everyone has traits traits are something that is true about

traits are something that is true about

traits are something that is true about you some of those traits are personality

you some of those traits are personality

you some of those traits are personality traits which describe the way you

traits which describe the way you

traits which describe the way you interact with other people

interact with other people

interact with other people for instance energetic calm serious of

for instance energetic calm serious of

for instance energetic calm serious of those personality traits some of them

those personality traits some of them

those personality traits some of them are what we call morally relevant which

are what we call morally relevant which

are what we call morally relevant which means that having them makes you a good

means that having them makes you a good

means that having them makes you a good person or a bad person

person or a bad person

person or a bad person for instance honesty kindness cruelty

for instance honesty kindness cruelty

for instance honesty kindness cruelty having those makes you a good person or

having those makes you a good person or

having those makes you a good person or a bad person in a way that serious calm

a bad person in a way that serious calm

a bad person in a way that serious calm and energetic does not we call those

and energetic does not we call those

and energetic does not we call those character traits that’s what we mean

character traits that’s what we mean

character traits that’s what we mean when we say character traits so let’s

when we say character traits so let’s

when we say character traits so let’s talk about this status quo theory of

talk about this status quo theory of

talk about this status quo theory of ethics the traditional line of thinking

ethics the traditional line of thinking

ethics the traditional line of thinking goes something like this you have an

goes something like this you have an

goes something like this you have an individual they possess character traits

individual they possess character traits

individual they possess character traits they carry them around with them from

they carry them around with them from

they carry them around with them from situation to situation throughout their

situation to situation throughout their

situation to situation throughout their day if you want to say something about

day if you want to say something about

day if you want to say something about for instance Jill say that Jill is

for instance Jill say that Jill is

for instance Jill say that Jill is honest

honest

honest what you’re saying is that she tells the

what you’re saying is that she tells the

what you’re saying is that she tells the truth throughout her day she doesn’t

truth throughout her day she doesn’t

truth throughout her day she doesn’t mislead anyone and she’s been that way

mislead anyone and she’s been that way

mislead anyone and she’s been that way for a while if you say that jack is

for a while if you say that jack is

for a while if you say that jack is angry you’re saying that he is prone to

angry you’re saying that he is prone to

angry you’re saying that he is prone to outbursts of rage disproportionate to

outbursts of rage disproportionate to

outbursts of rage disproportionate to the situation he’s probably been that

the situation he’s probably been that

the situation he’s probably been that way for a while too so really what

way for a while too so really what

way for a while too so really what you’re saying about honesty and anger is

you’re saying about honesty and anger is

you’re saying about honesty and anger is two things one that they are consistent

two things one that they are consistent

two things one that they are consistent across situations and two that they are

across situations and two that they are

across situations and two that they are exhibited over time consistently what we

exhibited over time consistently what we

exhibited over time consistently what we call time endurance unfortunately as

call time endurance unfortunately as

call time endurance unfortunately as intuitive as this is I do not think it

intuitive as this is I do not think it

intuitive as this is I do not think it is correct research suggests that is

is correct research suggests that is

is correct research suggests that is incorrect

incorrect

incorrect that is a difficult claim to make for

that is a difficult claim to make for

that is a difficult claim to make for this reason the people up here are who I

this reason the people up here are who I

this reason the people up here are who I call the old guard of character ethics

call the old guard of character ethics

call the old guard of character ethics Aristotle on the left was the original

Aristotle on the left was the original

Aristotle on the left was the original character ethicist in ancient Greece now

character ethicist in ancient Greece now

character ethicist in ancient Greece now he influenced with his character ethics

he influenced with his character ethics

he influenced with his character ethics philosophy the Philosopher’s on the

philosophy the Philosopher’s on the

philosophy the Philosopher’s on the right who incorporated into major world

right who incorporated into major world

right who incorporated into major world religions this character theory and

religions this character theory and

religions this character theory and built it into the moral teachings of

built it into the moral teachings of

built it into the moral teachings of their religion for instance in the upper

their religion for instance in the upper

their religion for instance in the upper left al farabi Muslim philosopher in the

left al farabi Muslim philosopher in the

left al farabi Muslim philosopher in the upper right Abba Sena Muslim philosopher

upper right Abba Sena Muslim philosopher

upper right Abba Sena Muslim philosopher in the lower left st. Thomas Aquinas

in the lower left st. Thomas Aquinas

in the lower left st. Thomas Aquinas Catholic philosopher and in the lower

Catholic philosopher and in the lower

Catholic philosopher and in the lower right Maimonides the Sephardic Jewish

right Maimonides the Sephardic Jewish

right Maimonides the Sephardic Jewish scholar each of them built Aristotle’s

scholar each of them built Aristotle’s

scholar each of them built Aristotle’s character ethics into their own moral

character ethics into their own moral

character ethics into their own moral philosophies now if you look at a map of

philosophies now if you look at a map of

philosophies now if you look at a map of the world you see that each of the

the world you see that each of the

the world you see that each of the religions I just mentioned have covered

religions I just mentioned have covered

religions I just mentioned have covered pretty much the entire globe with the

pretty much the entire globe with the

pretty much the entire globe with the exception of East Asia the green and

exception of East Asia the green and

exception of East Asia the green and yellow countries up there which means

yellow countries up there which means

yellow countries up there which means that for a thousand years most of the

that for a thousand years most of the

that for a thousand years most of the world has been raising their children on

world has been raising their children on

world has been raising their children on an ethical theory that was inspired by

an ethical theory that was inspired by

an ethical theory that was inspired by Aristotelian character ethics that’s why

Aristotelian character ethics that’s why

Aristotelian character ethics that’s why it’s hard to argue against character

it’s hard to argue against character

it’s hard to argue against character it’s an assumption it’s difficult to

it’s an assumption it’s difficult to

it’s an assumption it’s difficult to argue against it for the same reason

argue against it for the same reason

argue against it for the same reason that a fish doesn’t know that it’s wet

that a fish doesn’t know that it’s wet

that a fish doesn’t know that it’s wet character talk is all we’ve ever really

character talk is all we’ve ever really

character talk is all we’ve ever really known in the Western world these people

known in the Western world these people

known in the Western world these people are trying to change that they are the

are trying to change that they are the

are trying to change that they are the Situationists they are unique because

Situationists they are unique because

Situationists they are unique because they have a background in Experimental

they have a background in Experimental

they have a background in Experimental Psychology and spend their time

Psychology and spend their time

Psychology and spend their time researching human moral behavior they’ve

researching human moral behavior they’ve

researching human moral behavior they’ve conducted a lot of interesting

conducted a lot of interesting

conducted a lot of interesting experiments some of which have

experiments some of which have

experiments some of which have surprising results

surprising results

surprising results I’m going to talk about those

I’m going to talk about those

I’m going to talk about those experiments and then at the end state

experiments and then at the end state

experiments and then at the end state the big takeaway from those experiments

first the Milgram shock experiment this

first the Milgram shock experiment this experiment consisted of a subject being

experiment consisted of a subject being

experiment consisted of a subject being told that he or she was to conduct a

told that he or she was to conduct a

told that he or she was to conduct a learning test with a learner who’s

learning test with a learner who’s

learning test with a learner who’s actually an experimenter the learner

actually an experimenter the learner

actually an experimenter the learner would sit on the opposite side of a

would sit on the opposite side of a

would sit on the opposite side of a large electric shock apparatus pictured

large electric shock apparatus pictured

large electric shock apparatus pictured right there for the record this is a

right there for the record this is a

right there for the record this is a picture from the movie the experimenter

picture from the movie the experimenter

picture from the movie the experimenter came out October last year does a very

came out October last year does a very

came out October last year does a very good job of showing the electric shock

good job of showing the electric shock

good job of showing the electric shock apparatus that’s not actually Stanley

apparatus that’s not actually Stanley

apparatus that’s not actually Stanley Milgram although it looks like him good

Milgram although it looks like him good

Milgram although it looks like him good movie recommended the learner sits on

movie recommended the learner sits on

movie recommended the learner sits on the other side of the electric shock

the other side of the electric shock

the other side of the electric shock apparatus who’s actually an experiment

apparatus who’s actually an experiment

apparatus who’s actually an experiment right every time the learner answers a

right every time the learner answers a

right every time the learner answers a question wrong the subject is told to

question wrong the subject is told to

question wrong the subject is told to administer a shock as punishment to

administer a shock as punishment to

administer a shock as punishment to increase the learning supposedly the

increase the learning supposedly the

increase the learning supposedly the shock increases in voltage from 15 volts

shock increases in voltage from 15 volts

shock increases in voltage from 15 volts up to 450 volts deadly levels enough to

up to 450 volts deadly levels enough to

up to 450 volts deadly levels enough to kill a human being at about 300 volts

kill a human being at about 300 volts

kill a human being at about 300 volts level the learner will cry out and pain

level the learner will cry out and pain

level the learner will cry out and pain and beg to leave the experiment some

and beg to leave the experiment some

and beg to leave the experiment some time after that the learner will kick

time after that the learner will kick

time after that the learner will kick the wall and make no further noises

the wall and make no further noises

the wall and make no further noises simulating death or seizure now what’s

simulating death or seizure now what’s

simulating death or seizure now what’s shocking is that 66 percent two out of

shocking is that 66 percent two out of

shocking is that 66 percent two out of every three of those subjects

every three of those subjects

every three of those subjects administered every single shock right up

administered every single shock right up

administered every single shock right up to the deadly levels and 100% of the

to the deadly levels and 100% of the

to the deadly levels and 100% of the subjects administered two-thirds of all

subjects administered two-thirds of all

subjects administered two-thirds of all the shocks and the only variable

the shocks and the only variable

the shocks and the only variable correlated with them going to those

correlated with them going to those

correlated with them going to those extremes was the presence of a man and a

extremes was the presence of a man and a

extremes was the presence of a man and a lab coat sitting behind them politely

lab coat sitting behind them politely

lab coat sitting behind them politely urging them to continue so what’s the

urging them to continue so what’s the

urging them to continue so what’s the main takeaway the average human will do

main takeaway the average human will do

main takeaway the average human will do what he or she is told to do by a person

what he or she is told to do by a person

what he or she is told to do by a person in perceived Authority

the Stanford Prison Experiment in the

the Stanford Prison Experiment in the 1970s Philip Zimbardo wanted to study

1970s Philip Zimbardo wanted to study

1970s Philip Zimbardo wanted to study the way that rolls affect human behavior

the way that rolls affect human behavior

the way that rolls affect human behavior so we got a group of college students

so we got a group of college students

so we got a group of college students divided them into and assigned them

divided them into and assigned them

divided them into and assigned them rules arbitrarily

rules arbitrarily

rules arbitrarily prisoners and guards he then put them

prisoners and guards he then put them

prisoners and guards he then put them into a mock prison in the basement of a

into a mock prison in the basement of a

into a mock prison in the basement of a Stanford psychology building and told

Stanford psychology building and told

Stanford psychology building and told them to simply carry out their duties to

them to simply carry out their duties to

them to simply carry out their duties to the guards maintain good order and

the guards maintain good order and

the guards maintain good order and discipline in the prison for two weeks

discipline in the prison for two weeks

discipline in the prison for two weeks the experiment had to be terminated

the experiment had to be terminated

the experiment had to be terminated after six days because entirely of their

after six days because entirely of their

after six days because entirely of their own accord

own accord

own accord the guards subjected the prisoners to so

the guards subjected the prisoners to so

the guards subjected the prisoners to so much mental and emotional abuse that

much mental and emotional abuse that

much mental and emotional abuse that they began having mental breakdowns

they began having mental breakdowns

they began having mental breakdowns yes mental breakdowns at a rate of about

yes mental breakdowns at a rate of about

yes mental breakdowns at a rate of about one person per day the only variable

one person per day the only variable

one person per day the only variable correlated with the guards going to

correlated with the guards going to

correlated with the guards going to those extremes was the assignment of the

those extremes was the assignment of the

those extremes was the assignment of the role prisoner or guarding everything

role prisoner or guarding everything

role prisoner or guarding everything else was controlled for so what’s the

else was controlled for so what’s the

else was controlled for so what’s the main takeaway the average human wants to

main takeaway the average human wants to

main takeaway the average human wants to exercise authority in a role even to a

exercise authority in a role even to a

exercise authority in a role even to a fault now those are some classic studies

fault now those are some classic studies

fault now those are some classic studies you’ve probably heard of before this

you’ve probably heard of before this

you’ve probably heard of before this one’s a little less known but it’s very

one’s a little less known but it’s very

one’s a little less known but it’s very interesting the diamond the phone booth

interesting the diamond the phone booth

interesting the diamond the phone booth experiment researchers wanted to know

experiment researchers wanted to know

experiment researchers wanted to know how much being in a good mood affects

how much being in a good mood affects

how much being in a good mood affects your ethical disposition namely to help

your ethical disposition namely to help

your ethical disposition namely to help pick up papers from a stranger drops in

pick up papers from a stranger drops in

pick up papers from a stranger drops in front of you in a train station so what

front of you in a train station so what

front of you in a train station so what they did was start leaving dimes in the

they did was start leaving dimes in the

they did was start leaving dimes in the coin return slots of telephone booths in

coin return slots of telephone booths in

coin return slots of telephone booths in this train station the way it would work

this train station the way it would work

this train station the way it would work is a subject the stranger would walk up

is a subject the stranger would walk up

is a subject the stranger would walk up enter the phone booth make the call hang

enter the phone booth make the call hang

enter the phone booth make the call hang up find the dime in the coin return slot

up find the dime in the coin return slot

up find the dime in the coin return slot and exit the phone booth at which point

and exit the phone booth at which point

and exit the phone booth at which point the experimenter would drop their papers

the experimenter would drop their papers

the experimenter would drop their papers scattering in front of the individual

scattering in front of the individual

scattering in front of the individual exit in phone booth experimenters

exit in phone booth experimenters

exit in phone booth experimenters recorded how many of these people

recorded how many of these people

recorded how many of these people exiting the phone booth stopped to help

exiting the phone booth stopped to help

exiting the phone booth stopped to help pick up those papers what they found was

pick up those papers what they found was

pick up those papers what they found was shocking of the individuals who found

shocking of the individuals who found

shocking of the individuals who found the coin in the corn return slot 93%

the coin in the corn return slot 93%

the coin in the corn return slot 93% stopped to help pick up the papers of

stopped to help pick up the papers of

stopped to help pick up the papers of the individuals who did not find the

the individuals who did not find the

the individuals who did not find the coin in the coin return slot 4% stop to

coin in the coin return slot 4% stop to

coin in the coin return slot 4% stop to help

so what’s the takeaway the average human

so what’s the takeaway the average human will act more morally will be kinder and

will act more morally will be kinder and

will act more morally will be kinder and will be nicer if they’re in a good mood

so there’s plenty of these studies I’m

so there’s plenty of these studies I’m going to go through a few that are I

going to go through a few that are I

going to go through a few that are I think pretty interesting but for

think pretty interesting but for

think pretty interesting but for interest of time a little faster in the

interest of time a little faster in the

interest of time a little faster in the upper left

upper left

upper left researchers from Princeton demonstrated

researchers from Princeton demonstrated

researchers from Princeton demonstrated that 90% of all people will walk right

that 90% of all people will walk right

that 90% of all people will walk right by a person in medical distress clearly

by a person in medical distress clearly

by a person in medical distress clearly in need of an ambulance if they’re in a

in need of an ambulance if they’re in a

in need of an ambulance if they’re in a hurry in the upper right

hurry in the upper right

hurry in the upper right researchers from Newcastle University in

researchers from Newcastle University in

researchers from Newcastle University in the UK demonstrated that pair of eyes if

the UK demonstrated that pair of eyes if

the UK demonstrated that pair of eyes if posted prominently in a break room can

posted prominently in a break room can

posted prominently in a break room can reduce instances of break room theft by

reduce instances of break room theft by

reduce instances of break room theft by 66 percent in the lower-right dan Ariely

66 percent in the lower-right dan Ariely

66 percent in the lower-right dan Ariely a researcher from Cornell are from

a researcher from Cornell are from

a researcher from Cornell are from excuse me Duke University demonstrated

excuse me Duke University demonstrated

excuse me Duke University demonstrated that the average human will be more

that the average human will be more

that the average human will be more disposed to lie and cheat if they are

disposed to lie and cheat if they are

disposed to lie and cheat if they are hungry or tired that actually skipping

hungry or tired that actually skipping

hungry or tired that actually skipping dinner will make you less ethical and in

dinner will make you less ethical and in

dinner will make you less ethical and in the lower-left researchers from Cornell

the lower-left researchers from Cornell

the lower-left researchers from Cornell discovered that the average human will

discovered that the average human will

discovered that the average human will report more conservative political

report more conservative political

report more conservative political opinions and evaluate ethical questions

opinions and evaluate ethical questions

opinions and evaluate ethical questions more harshly if they are standing within

more harshly if they are standing within

more harshly if they are standing within 10 feet of a hand sanitizer dispenser

now more and more of these studies being

now more and more of these studies being published every month and it bodes ill

published every month and it bodes ill

published every month and it bodes ill for that status quo theory of character

for that status quo theory of character

for that status quo theory of character that we’re all used to things that

that we’re all used to things that

that we’re all used to things that shouldn’t matter in our moral

shouldn’t matter in our moral

shouldn’t matter in our moral decision-making process simply do and at

decision-making process simply do and at

decision-making process simply do and at first that’s very uncomfortable but we

first that’s very uncomfortable but we

first that’s very uncomfortable but we can put this information to good use a

can put this information to good use a

can put this information to good use a leader a leader who understands the

leader a leader who understands the

leader a leader who understands the influence of the situation on human

influence of the situation on human

influence of the situation on human moral behavior will be able to make

moral behavior will be able to make

moral behavior will be able to make their organizations more ethical and

their organizations more ethical and

their organizations more ethical and that’s important so let’s consider an

that’s important so let’s consider an

that’s important so let’s consider an example that we’re all familiar with the

example that we’re all familiar with the

example that we’re all familiar with the Armed Forces the military is unique in

Armed Forces the military is unique in

Armed Forces the military is unique in the way that it can control for

the way that it can control for

the way that it can control for situational variables to a much greater

situational variables to a much greater

situational variables to a much greater extent than your average company

extent than your average company

extent than your average company your average corporation cannot make

your average corporation cannot make

your average corporation cannot make everyone wear the same clothes and stand

everyone wear the same clothes and stand

everyone wear the same clothes and stand facing the same direction at the

facing the same direction at the

facing the same direction at the position of attention for a photo the

position of attention for a photo the

position of attention for a photo the military can that matters so what I’ve

military can that matters so what I’ve

military can that matters so what I’ve done is try and take from each

done is try and take from each

done is try and take from each experiment that we just talked about a

experiment that we just talked about a

experiment that we just talked about a principle that can be used by an

principle that can be used by an

principle that can be used by an organizational leader to make the

organizational leader to make the

organizational leader to make the organization more effective whether

organization more effective whether

organization more effective whether they’re in the army or not so here’s

they’re in the army or not so here’s

they’re in the army or not so here’s what I’ve come up with the Milgram shock

what I’ve come up with the Milgram shock

what I’ve come up with the Milgram shock experiment to tell us to understand and

experiment to tell us to understand and

experiment to tell us to understand and use wisely the power that the mere

use wisely the power that the mere

use wisely the power that the mere perception of authority is capable of

perception of authority is capable of

perception of authority is capable of exerting with power comes responsibility

the Stanford Prison Experiment can tell

the Stanford Prison Experiment can tell us to capitalize on the human urge to

us to capitalize on the human urge to

us to capitalize on the human urge to fulfill roles with clear expectations

fulfill roles with clear expectations

fulfill roles with clear expectations and limitations don’t address your

and limitations don’t address your

and limitations don’t address your shoulders just by their last names

shoulders just by their last names

shoulders just by their last names address them by their rank see how they

address them by their rank see how they

address them by their rank see how they perform the diamond the phone booth

perform the diamond the phone booth

perform the diamond the phone booth experiment can tell us that if you can

experiment can tell us that if you can

experiment can tell us that if you can find a way to brighten your soldier’s

find a way to brighten your soldier’s

find a way to brighten your soldier’s day they will behave more ethically the

day they will behave more ethically the

day they will behave more ethically the Princeton heree experiment can tell us

Princeton heree experiment can tell us

Princeton heree experiment can tell us that we ought not unduly rush your

that we ought not unduly rush your

that we ought not unduly rush your subordinates to accomplish a task unless

subordinates to accomplish a task unless

subordinates to accomplish a task unless it’s absolutely necessary

it’s absolutely necessary

it’s absolutely necessary lest we risk them behaving unethically

lest we risk them behaving unethically

lest we risk them behaving unethically the New Castle breakroom eyes experiment

the New Castle breakroom eyes experiment

the New Castle breakroom eyes experiment can tell us that people will behave more

can tell us that people will behave more

can tell us that people will behave more ethically if they feel like they’re

ethically if they feel like they’re

ethically if they feel like they’re being supervised

being supervised

being supervised so supervise be around be visible be an

so supervise be around be visible be an

so supervise be around be visible be an engaged leader they’ll behave more

engaged leader they’ll behave more

engaged leader they’ll behave more ethically and then erielle ease

ethically and then erielle ease

ethically and then erielle ease dishonesty and fatigue experiment can

dishonesty and fatigue experiment can

dishonesty and fatigue experiment can tell us take care of your soldiers well

tell us take care of your soldiers well

tell us take care of your soldiers well rested well fed and de-stress soldiers

rested well fed and de-stress soldiers

rested well fed and de-stress soldiers will make more moral decisions

now let’s just sort of go up with so far

now let’s just sort of go up with so far I’m going to have to close so to restate

I’m going to have to close so to restate

I’m going to have to close so to restate the thesis the three points one

the thesis the three points one

the thesis the three points one character traits are far more rare and

character traits are far more rare and

character traits are far more rare and significantly less robust than we would

significantly less robust than we would

significantly less robust than we would like to believe two seemingly

like to believe two seemingly

like to believe two seemingly insignificant situational factors have

insignificant situational factors have

insignificant situational factors have much more to do with moral decisions

much more to do with moral decisions

much more to do with moral decisions than was previously understood three

than was previously understood three

than was previously understood three embracing and applying this knowledge as

embracing and applying this knowledge as

embracing and applying this knowledge as an organizational leader can be a force

an organizational leader can be a force

an organizational leader can be a force multiplier now I’ll leave you with an

multiplier now I’ll leave you with an

multiplier now I’ll leave you with an analogy that really stuck with me about

analogy that really stuck with me about

analogy that really stuck with me about this topic apples used to be transported

this topic apples used to be transported

this topic apples used to be transported primarily in barrels and many of those

primarily in barrels and many of those

primarily in barrels and many of those apples would go bad and need to be

apples would go bad and need to be

apples would go bad and need to be thrown away and it took a long time for

thrown away and it took a long time for

thrown away and it took a long time for the shipping companies to realize that

the shipping companies to realize that

the shipping companies to realize that it was not the apples themselves that

it was not the apples themselves that

it was not the apples themselves that were going bad but the barrels in which

were going bad but the barrels in which

were going bad but the barrels in which they’re being shipped that had tainted

they’re being shipped that had tainted

they’re being shipped that had tainted the cargo we’re at risk of making that

the cargo we’re at risk of making that

the cargo we’re at risk of making that same mistake now with apples and barrels

same mistake now with apples and barrels

same mistake now with apples and barrels but with people in situations a good

but with people in situations a good

but with people in situations a good organizational leader that wants ESCO

organizational leader that wants ESCO

organizational leader that wants ESCO conduct from their subordinates must

conduct from their subordinates must

conduct from their subordinates must understand that there are not so many

understand that there are not so many

understand that there are not so many bad people as there are bad situations a

bad people as there are bad situations a

bad people as there are bad situations a good leader must not worry only about

good leader must not worry only about

good leader must not worry only about the apples but also about the barrels

the apples but also about the barrels

the apples but also about the barrels thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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