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The long road to scientific discoveries: the Iceman’s Helicobacter | Dmitrij Turaev | TEDxDonauinsel


so I have good news and bad news let’s

so I have good news and bad news let’s start with the bad news we recently

start with the bad news we recently

start with the bad news we recently diagnosed the pathogen in a man it’s a

diagnosed the pathogen in a man it’s a

diagnosed the pathogen in a man it’s a bacterium known to cause serious stomach

bacterium known to cause serious stomach

bacterium known to cause serious stomach problems like chronic gastritis and even

problems like chronic gastritis and even

problems like chronic gastritis and even stomach cancer it’s called helicobacter

stomach cancer it’s called helicobacter

stomach cancer it’s called helicobacter pylori abbreviated h pylori we know a

pylori abbreviated h pylori we know a

pylori abbreviated h pylori we know a lot about infection in this man for

lot about infection in this man for

lot about infection in this man for example that it’s a more aggressive type

example that it’s a more aggressive type

example that it’s a more aggressive type of h pylori and also that its of asian

of h pylori and also that its of asian

of h pylori and also that its of asian origin which is surprising because the

origin which is surprising because the

origin which is surprising because the man is european and asian h pylori

man is european and asian h pylori

man is european and asian h pylori doesn’t usually occur in europe now the

doesn’t usually occur in europe now the

doesn’t usually occur in europe now the good news the pathogen is no more an

good news the pathogen is no more an

good news the pathogen is no more an issue for this man because it has

issue for this man because it has

issue for this man because it has already been dead for over 5,000 years

the man goes by the name of Etsy The

the man goes by the name of Etsy The Iceman he lived in what is today South

Iceman he lived in what is today South

Iceman he lived in what is today South Ural around 3,300 before current era his

Ural around 3,300 before current era his

Ural around 3,300 before current era his life after death started when she’s well

life after death started when she’s well

life after death started when she’s well preserved body was discovered in 1991 in

preserved body was discovered in 1991 in

preserved body was discovered in 1991 in the edge style is on the border of

the edge style is on the border of

the edge style is on the border of Austria and Italy the finding had a huge

Austria and Italy the finding had a huge

Austria and Italy the finding had a huge impact on our understanding of the

impact on our understanding of the

impact on our understanding of the prehistoric European civilization Etsy’s

prehistoric European civilization Etsy’s

prehistoric European civilization Etsy’s clothes tools and equipment they are

clothes tools and equipment they are

clothes tools and equipment they are highly sophisticated making you think

highly sophisticated making you think

highly sophisticated making you think rather for modern survival expert than

rather for modern survival expert than

rather for modern survival expert than the first own age man here you can see

the first own age man here you can see

the first own age man here you can see some examples he had a number of the

some examples he had a number of the

some examples he had a number of the tools which could be related to

tools which could be related to

tools which could be related to acupuncture treatments performed in

acupuncture treatments performed in

acupuncture treatments performed in China 2,000 years later this man and his

China 2,000 years later this man and his

China 2,000 years later this man and his belongings demonstrated the high level

belongings demonstrated the high level

belongings demonstrated the high level of European culture at the time and give

of European culture at the time and give

of European culture at the time and give a boost archaeology and prehistoric

a boost archaeology and prehistoric

a boost archaeology and prehistoric research you can imagine the huge

research you can imagine the huge

research you can imagine the huge excitement that accompanied the

excitement that accompanied the

excitement that accompanied the discovery of the scientific jewel just

discovery of the scientific jewel just

discovery of the scientific jewel just look at how the mummy is preserved today

look at how the mummy is preserved today

look at how the mummy is preserved today in a sterile refrigeration chamber was

in a sterile refrigeration chamber was

in a sterile refrigeration chamber was precisely controlled atmospheric

precisely controlled atmospheric

precisely controlled atmospheric conditions and an alarm system that goes

conditions and an alarm system that goes

conditions and an alarm system that goes off if any parameter chain

off if any parameter chain

off if any parameter chain inches now guess what there was no

inches now guess what there was no

inches now guess what there was no excitement whatsoever this is how the

excitement whatsoever this is how the

excitement whatsoever this is how the mummy was handled when it was recovered

mummy was handled when it was recovered

mummy was handled when it was recovered from the ice it was discovered

from the ice it was discovered

from the ice it was discovered accidentally and people thought that it

accidentally and people thought that it

accidentally and people thought that it was the corpse of a 20th century

was the corpse of a 20th century

was the corpse of a 20th century mountain climber the recovery was

mountain climber the recovery was

mountain climber the recovery was performed using ice picks and diplomatic

performed using ice picks and diplomatic

performed using ice picks and diplomatic drill which damaged his sipping his ball

drill which damaged his sipping his ball

drill which damaged his sipping his ball was broken and his curiously looking ex

was broken and his curiously looking ex

was broken and his curiously looking ex was taken to Shonda Mary post later a

was taken to Shonda Mary post later a

was taken to Shonda Mary post later a medical examiner was about to recommend

medical examiner was about to recommend

medical examiner was about to recommend burying the body before a medical expert

burying the body before a medical expert

burying the body before a medical expert took a second lens and realized its true

took a second lens and realized its true

took a second lens and realized its true age and significance nobody knows if

age and significance nobody knows if

age and significance nobody knows if other mummies they’re not as lucky now

other mummies they’re not as lucky now

other mummies they’re not as lucky now this was the first surprise in the

this was the first surprise in the

this was the first surprise in the history of Etsy research but definitely

history of Etsy research but definitely

history of Etsy research but definitely not the last another was related to the

not the last another was related to the

not the last another was related to the cause of his death even though

cause of his death even though

cause of his death even though radiographic imaging was performed

radiographic imaging was performed

radiographic imaging was performed multiple times it wasn’t until 10 years

multiple times it wasn’t until 10 years

multiple times it wasn’t until 10 years after the discovery of the body that an

after the discovery of the body that an

after the discovery of the body that an arrowhead that inflicted a deadly wound

arrowhead that inflicted a deadly wound

arrowhead that inflicted a deadly wound was identified in his shoulder it’s his

was identified in his shoulder it’s his

was identified in his shoulder it’s his stomach was discovered in his body

stomach was discovered in his body

stomach was discovered in his body several years later before then it was

several years later before then it was

several years later before then it was overlooked because it was located in an

overlooked because it was located in an

overlooked because it was located in an unexpected position it was flattened and

unexpected position it was flattened and

unexpected position it was flattened and shifted upward so again the discovery of

shifted upward so again the discovery of

shifted upward so again the discovery of both the arrowhead and the stomach

both the arrowhead and the stomach

both the arrowhead and the stomach required a second glance well at least a

required a second glance well at least a

required a second glance well at least a second so the stomach was still filled

second so the stomach was still filled

second so the stomach was still filled with food and of course curious as they

with food and of course curious as they

with food and of course curious as they are scientists could not sleep

are scientists could not sleep

are scientists could not sleep peacefully without knowing what a 5,000

peacefully without knowing what a 5,000

peacefully without knowing what a 5,000 year old guy had as his last meal

year old guy had as his last meal

year old guy had as his last meal samples were taken sequence on a DNA

samples were taken sequence on a DNA

samples were taken sequence on a DNA sequencing machine and analyzed this is

sequencing machine and analyzed this is

sequencing machine and analyzed this is also how we learned that he was infected

also how we learned that he was infected

also how we learned that he was infected by h pylori now what’s so special about

by h pylori now what’s so special about

by h pylori now what’s so special about h pylori for one thing it’s a medically

h pylori for one thing it’s a medically

h pylori for one thing it’s a medically highly relevant pathogen as about fifty

highly relevant pathogen as about fifty

highly relevant pathogen as about fifty percent of the world’s population are in

percent of the world’s population are in

percent of the world’s population are in fact

fact

fact that also it has accompanied our species

that also it has accompanied our species

that also it has accompanied our species for millennia and its genetic history

for millennia and its genetic history

for millennia and its genetic history reflects the human history in great

reflects the human history in great

reflects the human history in great detail so it can be used as a tool for

detail so it can be used as a tool for

detail so it can be used as a tool for tracking human migrations for example it

tracking human migrations for example it

tracking human migrations for example it helped to elucidate how the peopling of

helped to elucidate how the peopling of

helped to elucidate how the peopling of the pacific many thousands of years ago

the pacific many thousands of years ago

the pacific many thousands of years ago happened however similar as we said see

happened however similar as we said see

happened however similar as we said see the history of h pylori research did not

the history of h pylori research did not

the history of h pylori research did not have an easy start Robin Warren and

have an easy start Robin Warren and

have an easy start Robin Warren and Barry Marshall discovered h pylori in

Barry Marshall discovered h pylori in

Barry Marshall discovered h pylori in the 80s for this discovery they were

the 80s for this discovery they were

the 80s for this discovery they were awarded the nobel prize in physiology in

awarded the nobel prize in physiology in

awarded the nobel prize in physiology in medicine 2005 now you can imagine the

medicine 2005 now you can imagine the

medicine 2005 now you can imagine the huge excitement that the company does

huge excitement that the company does

huge excitement that the company does groundbreaking research about h pylori

groundbreaking research about h pylori

groundbreaking research about h pylori and its role and stomach diseases for

and its role and stomach diseases for

and its role and stomach diseases for decades people had thought that chronic

decades people had thought that chronic

decades people had thought that chronic stomach problems affecting millions of

stomach problems affecting millions of

stomach problems affecting millions of people all over the world they’re caused

people all over the world they’re caused

people all over the world they’re caused by cyclic stress and bad lifestyle

by cyclic stress and bad lifestyle

by cyclic stress and bad lifestyle habits suddenly it was discovered that

habits suddenly it was discovered that

habits suddenly it was discovered that in most cases it wasn’t infectious

in most cases it wasn’t infectious

in most cases it wasn’t infectious disease that could be cured by

disease that could be cured by

disease that could be cured by antibiotics now guess what there was no

antibiotics now guess what there was no

antibiotics now guess what there was no excitement whatsoever on the contrary

excitement whatsoever on the contrary

excitement whatsoever on the contrary when Warren and Marshall sent their

when Warren and Marshall sent their

when Warren and Marshall sent their results to scientific journals our

results to scientific journals our

results to scientific journals our conferences the reviewers which means

conferences the reviewers which means

conferences the reviewers which means scientists who evaluated work but not

scientists who evaluated work but not

scientists who evaluated work but not check out nice its importance or even

check out nice its importance or even

check out nice its importance or even not believe the results the reason what

not believe the results the reason what

not believe the results the reason what that people at that time knew that no

that people at that time knew that no

that people at that time knew that no bacterium could live in the acidic

bacterium could live in the acidic

bacterium could live in the acidic environment of the human stomach they

environment of the human stomach they

environment of the human stomach they were used to this idea so much that they

were used to this idea so much that they

were used to this idea so much that they overlooked this possibility for quite a

overlooked this possibility for quite a

overlooked this possibility for quite a while at the same time when Warren was

while at the same time when Warren was

while at the same time when Warren was asked when nobody had observed h pylori

asked when nobody had observed h pylori

asked when nobody had observed h pylori earlier and stomach samples he said it

earlier and stomach samples he said it

earlier and stomach samples he said it was actually reports of bacteria in the

was actually reports of bacteria in the

was actually reports of bacteria in the human stomach they’d back to the 19th

human stomach they’d back to the 19th

human stomach they’d back to the 19th century but the importance was not

century but the importance was not

century but the importance was not recognized the resistance was not

recognized the resistance was not

recognized the resistance was not validated and the medical research went

validated and the medical research went

validated and the medical research went another direction so again it took a

another direction so again it took a

another direction so again it took a second glance to learn more about this

second glance to learn more about this

second glance to learn more about this highly interesting pathogen our ice

highly interesting pathogen our ice

highly interesting pathogen our ice meant h pylori project was a big

meant h pylori project was a big

meant h pylori project was a big collaboration several research

collaboration several research

collaboration several research from different countries very involved

from different countries very involved

from different countries very involved each with its own area of expertise I’m

each with its own area of expertise I’m

each with its own area of expertise I’m baking in a by informatics group at the

baking in a by informatics group at the

baking in a by informatics group at the University of Vienna in case you don’t

University of Vienna in case you don’t

University of Vienna in case you don’t know goodbye informatics says don’t

know goodbye informatics says don’t

know goodbye informatics says don’t worry you’re not alone the name meet a

worry you’re not alone the name meet a

worry you’re not alone the name meet a new person and tell the time doing by

new person and tell the time doing by

new person and tell the time doing by informatics the reaction is usually like

informatics the reaction is usually like

informatics the reaction is usually like oh really wow what’s this anyway it’s

oh really wow what’s this anyway it’s

oh really wow what’s this anyway it’s simple you address biological questions

simple you address biological questions

simple you address biological questions using a computer because it can access

using a computer because it can access

using a computer because it can access information and calculate really fast

information and calculate really fast

information and calculate really fast what functions are encoded in the genome

what functions are encoded in the genome

what functions are encoded in the genome of a bacterium how did the protein

of a bacterium how did the protein

of a bacterium how did the protein evolve and in our case what was in SF

evolve and in our case what was in SF

evolve and in our case what was in SF stomach to learn about the contents of

stomach to learn about the contents of

stomach to learn about the contents of ed stomach you could for example use a

ed stomach you could for example use a

ed stomach you could for example use a microscope but DNA genetic material can

microscope but DNA genetic material can

microscope but DNA genetic material can provide much more accurate information

provide much more accurate information

provide much more accurate information so you can take a sample prepare it for

so you can take a sample prepare it for

so you can take a sample prepare it for sequencing and then put it into DNA

sequencing and then put it into DNA

sequencing and then put it into DNA sequencing machine what the machine

sequencing machine what the machine

sequencing machine what the machine gives you back is whereby informatics

gives you back is whereby informatics

gives you back is whereby informatics starts it’s a plain text file there’s

starts it’s a plain text file there’s

starts it’s a plain text file there’s lots of DNA letters this file contains a

lots of DNA letters this file contains a

lots of DNA letters this file contains a mixture of the DNA in the sample not one

mixture of the DNA in the sample not one

mixture of the DNA in the sample not one single genome but bits and pieces of

single genome but bits and pieces of

single genome but bits and pieces of genomes of several organisms this is

genomes of several organisms this is

genomes of several organisms this is called a meta-genome the line which

called a meta-genome the line which

called a meta-genome the line which organisms are represented in this

organisms are represented in this

organisms are represented in this meta-genome you can compare it to a

meta-genome you can compare it to a

meta-genome you can compare it to a reference collection a database of dnase

reference collection a database of dnase

reference collection a database of dnase of non origin and quantify the

of non origin and quantify the

of non origin and quantify the similarities here you see an example of

similarities here you see an example of

similarities here you see an example of what the result for one piece of DNA

what the result for one piece of DNA

what the result for one piece of DNA might look like however maybe the

might look like however maybe the

might look like however maybe the organism in question isn’t known yet and

organism in question isn’t known yet and

organism in question isn’t known yet and its DNA is absent from the database or

its DNA is absent from the database or

its DNA is absent from the database or maybe there are too many similar DNA’s

maybe there are too many similar DNA’s

maybe there are too many similar DNA’s so it’s a challenging task and it has

so it’s a challenging task and it has

so it’s a challenging task and it has its limitations now when I got the

its limitations now when I got the

its limitations now when I got the IceMen stomach sample i was told that

IceMen stomach sample i was told that

IceMen stomach sample i was told that others had already looked into it and

others had already looked into it and

others had already looked into it and that h pylori wasn’t there of course

that h pylori wasn’t there of course

that h pylori wasn’t there of course this was a pity but not unexpected

this was a pity but not unexpected

this was a pity but not unexpected previous experiments were inconclusive

previous experiments were inconclusive

previous experiments were inconclusive but mostly failed

but mostly failed

but mostly failed to detect h.pylori in the outer part of

to detect h.pylori in the outer part of

to detect h.pylori in the outer part of the stomach where it was expected to be

the stomach where it was expected to be

the stomach where it was expected to be however a more thorough analysis of the

however a more thorough analysis of the

however a more thorough analysis of the data showed that it actually was there

data showed that it actually was there

data showed that it actually was there just not in the outer but in the inner

just not in the outer but in the inner

just not in the outer but in the inner part of the stomach it seems that the

part of the stomach it seems that the

part of the stomach it seems that the stomach lining had come off and collapse

stomach lining had come off and collapse

stomach lining had come off and collapse into the center they made a huge effort

into the center they made a huge effort

into the center they made a huge effort to validate this result to be sure that

to validate this result to be sure that

to validate this result to be sure that it’s not a contamination but that this

it’s not a contamination but that this

it’s not a contamination but that this bacterium really was the Iceman’s

bacterium really was the Iceman’s

bacterium really was the Iceman’s original companion using additional

original companion using additional

original companion using additional experimental methods we could

experimental methods we could

experimental methods we could reconstruct almost its entire genome the

reconstruct almost its entire genome the

reconstruct almost its entire genome the land at its of asian origin and that

land at its of asian origin and that

land at its of asian origin and that it’s an asian h pylori type while modern

it’s an asian h pylori type while modern

it’s an asian h pylori type while modern european h pylori are usually a mixture

european h pylori are usually a mixture

european h pylori are usually a mixture of the Asian and African types no so

of the Asian and African types no so

of the Asian and African types no so this might indicate that the Asian

this might indicate that the Asian

this might indicate that the Asian influences in Europe predated the

influences in Europe predated the

influences in Europe predated the African ones well one single mommy is

African ones well one single mommy is

African ones well one single mommy is not really enough to say that but there

not really enough to say that but there

not really enough to say that but there are a lot more out there and you can be

are a lot more out there and you can be

are a lot more out there and you can be sure that studies of ancient DNA will

sure that studies of ancient DNA will

sure that studies of ancient DNA will lead to many more interesting

lead to many more interesting

lead to many more interesting discoveries now think about what I told

discoveries now think about what I told

discoveries now think about what I told you today The Iceman was almost

you today The Iceman was almost

you today The Iceman was almost overlooked h pylori was almost

overlooked h pylori was almost

overlooked h pylori was almost overlooked and the h pylori in the

overlooked and the h pylori in the

overlooked and the h pylori in the IceMen was almost overlooked from aldis

IceMen was almost overlooked from aldis

IceMen was almost overlooked from aldis it might seem that science is sort of

it might seem that science is sort of

it might seem that science is sort of random and interesting findings have

random and interesting findings have

random and interesting findings have mainly by chance this is however not

mainly by chance this is however not

mainly by chance this is however not true chance does play a role but even

true chance does play a role but even

true chance does play a role but even more so do attentiveness and persistence

more so do attentiveness and persistence

more so do attentiveness and persistence if you feel that something’s worth going

if you feel that something’s worth going

if you feel that something’s worth going deeper try and do so of course you never

deeper try and do so of course you never

deeper try and do so of course you never know where you’ll end up maybe there is

know where you’ll end up maybe there is

know where you’ll end up maybe there is nothing to see and you are just wasting

nothing to see and you are just wasting

nothing to see and you are just wasting your time but don’t make the mistake and

your time but don’t make the mistake and

your time but don’t make the mistake and stop looking too early a second glance

stop looking too early a second glance

stop looking too early a second glance is often all you need thank

is often all you need thank

is often all you need thank [Applause]

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