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Sales Techniques – Evan with Sales Expert Dave Kurlan


going live okay well welcome everybody

going live okay well welcome everybody we are doing another one-on-one hangout

we are doing another one-on-one hangout

we are doing another one-on-one hangout and this time I have sales expert Dave

and this time I have sales expert Dave

and this time I have sales expert Dave Carlin with me on the line and Dave has

Carlin with me on the line and Dave has

Carlin with me on the line and Dave has been an author on my website for a

been an author on my website for a

been an author on my website for a number of years and he wrote a great

number of years and he wrote a great

number of years and he wrote a great book on sales and and he’s a big

book on sales and and he’s a big

book on sales and and he’s a big baseball nut I am too and so he’s here

baseball nut I am too and so he’s here

baseball nut I am too and so he’s here to join us Dave welcome to the welcome

to join us Dave welcome to the welcome

to join us Dave welcome to the welcome to the show

to the show

to the show thanks for joining in well thanks for

thanks for joining in well thanks for

thanks for joining in well thanks for having the oven it’s great to be here do

having the oven it’s great to be here do

having the oven it’s great to be here do you want to tell anybody watches a

you want to tell anybody watches a

you want to tell anybody watches a little bit more about what you’re all

little bit more about what you’re all

little bit more about what you’re all about what you do who you help sure I’m

about what you do who you help sure I’m

about what you do who you help sure I’m a baseball fan so it’s only logical that

a baseball fan so it’s only logical that

a baseball fan so it’s only logical that in 2005 my second book was called

in 2005 my second book was called

in 2005 my second book was called baseline selling which is both sales

baseline selling which is both sales

baseline selling which is both sales process and sales methodology which is

process and sales methodology which is

process and sales methodology which is the centerpiece of some of the work I do

the centerpiece of some of the work I do

the centerpiece of some of the work I do we work with companies and help them

we work with companies and help them

we work with companies and help them grow sales by doing any number of things

grow sales by doing any number of things

grow sales by doing any number of things from evaluating a sales organization to

from evaluating a sales organization to

from evaluating a sales organization to building sales processes and

building sales processes and

building sales processes and infrastructure and architecture to doing

infrastructure and architecture to doing

infrastructure and architecture to doing development training and coaching of

development training and coaching of

development training and coaching of sales leadership to training and

sales leadership to training and

sales leadership to training and coaching of salespeople and along with

coaching of salespeople and along with

coaching of salespeople and along with that we help with recruiting and we hope

that we help with recruiting and we hope

that we help with recruiting and we hope help with career paths and we help with

help with career paths and we help with

help with career paths and we help with skills and if it has anything to do with

skills and if it has anything to do with

skills and if it has anything to do with the sales organization we do that at

the sales organization we do that at

the sales organization we do that at curling associates and then my other

curling associates and then my other

curling associates and then my other company objective management group is a

company objective management group is a

company objective management group is a sales assessment company so we have the

sales assessment company so we have the

sales assessment company so we have the leading Salesforce evaluation and sales

leading Salesforce evaluation and sales

leading Salesforce evaluation and sales candidate assessment tools on the planet

candidate assessment tools on the planet

candidate assessment tools on the planet very cool so what’s the biggest problem

very cool so what’s the biggest problem

very cool so what’s the biggest problem people face with sales they don’t sell

people face with sales they don’t sell

people face with sales they don’t sell enough so how do you have well usually

enough so how do you have well usually

enough so how do you have well usually the problems are in any one of a number

the problems are in any one of a number

the problems are in any one of a number of areas either at the top of the funnel

of areas either at the top of the funnel

of areas either at the top of the funnel they’re not finding and getting enough

they’re not finding and getting enough

they’re not finding and getting enough new opportunities in the middle of the

new opportunities in the middle of the

new opportunities in the middle of the funnel they’re not getting traction and

funnel they’re not getting traction and

funnel they’re not getting traction and engagement velocity or at the end of the

engagement velocity or at the end of the

engagement velocity or at the end of the funnel they’re not closing business or

funnel they’re not closing business or

funnel they’re not closing business or closing it in a an appropriate amount of

closing it in a an appropriate amount of

closing it in a an appropriate amount of time and those problems are usually

time and those problems are usually

time and those problems are usually caused by

non-supportive sails DNA they’ve got

non-supportive sails DNA they’ve got weaknesses that are getting in their way

weaknesses that are getting in their way

weaknesses that are getting in their way or its skills strategies and tactics

or its skills strategies and tactics

or its skills strategies and tactics that they haven’t learned and mastered

that they haven’t learned and mastered

that they haven’t learned and mastered and can’t call on at the ideal moment

and can’t call on at the ideal moment

and can’t call on at the ideal moment and then a little bigger picture than

and then a little bigger picture than

and then a little bigger picture than that in many cases the company doesn’t

that in many cases the company doesn’t

that in many cases the company doesn’t have a repeatable sales process that

have a repeatable sales process that

have a repeatable sales process that yields consist in effective results so

yields consist in effective results so

yields consist in effective results so the first thing we do is try to find out

the first thing we do is try to find out

the first thing we do is try to find out why they’re struggling and then from

why they’re struggling and then from

why they’re struggling and then from there we can give them the help they

there we can give them the help they

there we can give them the help they need so if I’m an entrepreneur and I

need so if I’m an entrepreneur and I

need so if I’m an entrepreneur and I have a new product I’m trying to get it

have a new product I’m trying to get it

have a new product I’m trying to get it out there and I’m struggling to get the

out there and I’m struggling to get the

out there and I’m struggling to get the sales that I want I think I have a great

sales that I want I think I have a great

sales that I want I think I have a great product great service but I’m really

product great service but I’m really

product great service but I’m really starting to get it out there and get the

starting to get it out there and get the

starting to get it out there and get the sales what am i what are my options

sales what am i what are my options

sales what am i what are my options what’s the best thing to do should I

what’s the best thing to do should I

what’s the best thing to do should I invest in myself and become a better

invest in myself and become a better

invest in myself and become a better salesperson should I hire sales person

salesperson should I hire sales person

salesperson should I hire sales person to come aboard what do you recommend

to come aboard what do you recommend

to come aboard what do you recommend well it’s a great question because the

well it’s a great question because the

well it’s a great question because the entrepreneur needs to make it work

entrepreneur needs to make it work

entrepreneur needs to make it work there’s really no option to not grow

there’s really no option to not grow

there’s really no option to not grow sales but not every entrepreneur has the

sales but not every entrepreneur has the

sales but not every entrepreneur has the DNA or the makeup to be effective

DNA or the makeup to be effective

DNA or the makeup to be effective selling especially if they’re selling

selling especially if they’re selling

selling especially if they’re selling themselves which is a little harder for

themselves which is a little harder for

themselves which is a little harder for a lot of people than selling a product

a lot of people than selling a product

a lot of people than selling a product or selling a service so the logical

or selling a service so the logical

or selling a service so the logical first step is to evaluate so that we can

first step is to evaluate so that we can

first step is to evaluate so that we can take a look at whether the entrepreneur

take a look at whether the entrepreneur

take a look at whether the entrepreneur has the right sales DNA or has some

has the right sales DNA or has some

has the right sales DNA or has some skill gaps that we can fix and then

skill gaps that we can fix and then

skill gaps that we can fix and then determine that it might make more sense

determine that it might make more sense

determine that it might make more sense for them to hire a salesperson or if

for them to hire a salesperson or if

for them to hire a salesperson or if they’ve got the right potential help

they’ve got the right potential help

they’ve got the right potential help them become more effective so let’s talk

them become more effective so let’s talk

them become more effective so let’s talk about that potential that DNA what are

about that potential that DNA what are

about that potential that DNA what are one of the some of the things that

one of the some of the things that

one of the some of the things that you’ll look at to figure out you know so

you’ll look at to figure out you know so

you’ll look at to figure out you know so entrepreneurs watching this so trying to

entrepreneurs watching this so trying to

entrepreneurs watching this so trying to figure out okay Dave said I need to have

figure out okay Dave said I need to have

figure out okay Dave said I need to have the salesman DNA how do I figure out if

the salesman DNA how do I figure out if

the salesman DNA how do I figure out if I’ve got that or not what are some of

I’ve got that or not what are some of

I’ve got that or not what are some of the questions that you ask

the questions that you ask

the questions that you ask look there are there are six things that

look there are there are six things that

look there are there are six things that that we look for that help us understand

that we look for that help us understand

that we look for that help us understand the sales DNA and in an entrepreneur one

the sales DNA and in an entrepreneur one

the sales DNA and in an entrepreneur one of them is how much they need to be

of them is how much they need to be

of them is how much they need to be liked the psychological term would be

liked the psychological term would be

liked the psychological term would be need for approval but how much do you

need for approval but how much do you

need for approval but how much do you need to be liked and if

need to be liked and if

need to be liked and if you need to be like their love too much

you need to be like their love too much

you need to be like their love too much that gets in the way because you won’t

that gets in the way because you won’t

that gets in the way because you won’t be able to ask the tough question you

be able to ask the tough question you

be able to ask the tough question you won’t be able to confront somebody and

won’t be able to confront somebody and

won’t be able to confront somebody and push back and challenge their thinking

push back and challenge their thinking

push back and challenge their thinking and you’ll accept put offs all day long

and you’ll accept put offs all day long

and you’ll accept put offs all day long because you’ll be afraid to save a thing

because you’ll be afraid to save a thing

because you’ll be afraid to save a thing that could get them upset so that’s one

that could get them upset so that’s one

that could get them upset so that’s one of the areas we look at another area we

of the areas we look at another area we

of the areas we look at another area we look at is how they buy things

look at is how they buy things

look at is how they buy things themselves

themselves

themselves we call it buy cycle so an entrepreneur

we call it buy cycle so an entrepreneur

we call it buy cycle so an entrepreneur that needs to think everything over will

that needs to think everything over will

that needs to think everything over will generally accept that kind of behavior

generally accept that kind of behavior

generally accept that kind of behavior from a prospect I’ll let them think it

from a prospect I’ll let them think it

from a prospect I’ll let them think it over indefinitely an entrepreneur that

over indefinitely an entrepreneur that

over indefinitely an entrepreneur that looks for the lowest price will

looks for the lowest price will

looks for the lowest price will understand it when their prospect needs

understand it when their prospect needs

understand it when their prospect needs a lower price an entrepreneur that

a lower price an entrepreneur that

a lower price an entrepreneur that comparison shops will understand it when

comparison shops will understand it when

comparison shops will understand it when the prospect wants to compare them to a

the prospect wants to compare them to a

the prospect wants to compare them to a couple of other companies an

couple of other companies an

couple of other companies an entrepreneur that thinks a relatively

entrepreneur that thinks a relatively

entrepreneur that thinks a relatively small amount of money is a lot of money

small amount of money is a lot of money

small amount of money is a lot of money will understand it when a prospect says

will understand it when a prospect says

will understand it when a prospect says tease that seems expensive so that’s the

tease that seems expensive so that’s the

tease that seems expensive so that’s the second piece of DNA a third piece we

second piece of DNA a third piece we

second piece of DNA a third piece we look at is how well they control their

look at is how well they control their

look at is how well they control their emotions whether they can stay in the

emotions whether they can stay in the

emotions whether they can stay in the moment and if they’re unable to stay in

moment and if they’re unable to stay in

moment and if they’re unable to stay in the moment and they react and panic they

the moment and they react and panic they

the moment and they react and panic they can lose control of the sales process

can lose control of the sales process

can lose control of the sales process because they’ll be listening to

because they’ll be listening to

because they’ll be listening to themselves instead of their prospect how

themselves instead of their prospect how

themselves instead of their prospect how do you how do you test that you put them

do you how do you test that you put them

do you how do you test that you put them in a stressful situation no we have we

in a stressful situation no we have we

in a stressful situation no we have we have these world-class sales assessments

have these world-class sales assessments

have these world-class sales assessments that I developed and continue to develop

that I developed and continue to develop

that I developed and continue to develop and improve over the last twenty four

and improve over the last twenty four

and improve over the last twenty four years and they’re very accurate and they

years and they’re very accurate and they

years and they’re very accurate and they tell us exactly how someone will do in a

tell us exactly how someone will do in a

tell us exactly how someone will do in a sales situation so that’s three examples

sales situation so that’s three examples

sales situation so that’s three examples so first step is they’re gonna they’re

so first step is they’re gonna they’re

so first step is they’re gonna they’re gonna buy your so how much is your

gonna buy your so how much is your

gonna buy your so how much is your assessment to assess just themselves it

assessment to assess just themselves it

assessment to assess just themselves it would be four hundred dollars okay so

would be four hundred dollars okay so

would be four hundred dollars okay so they’re gonna spend four new dollars and

they’re gonna spend four new dollars and

they’re gonna spend four new dollars and they get this package at then they get

they get this package at then they get

they get this package at then they get shipped to them or they download it or

shipped to them or they download it or

shipped to them or they download it or what’s the process we’ll e-mail it to

what’s the process we’ll e-mail it to

what’s the process we’ll e-mail it to them okay so they fill it out and then

them okay so they fill it out and then

them okay so they fill it out and then that will tell them if they have the DNA

that will tell them if they have the DNA

that will tell them if they have the DNA or not to be yes exists that’ll go

or not to be yes exists that’ll go

or not to be yes exists that’ll go through everything relative to the

through everything relative to the

through everything relative to the strengths that they have that’ll support

strengths that they have that’ll support

strengths that they have that’ll support the use of skills and tactics and

the use of skills and tactics and

the use of skills and tactics and strategy

strategy

strategy it’ll identify the weaknesses that get

it’ll identify the weaknesses that get

it’ll identify the weaknesses that get in the way of those skills and tactics

in the way of those skills and tactics

in the way of those skills and tactics and strategies and it’ll identify the

and strategies and it’ll identify the

and strategies and it’ll identify the gaps in their skills or us so that

gaps in their skills or us so that

gaps in their skills or us so that they’ll see exactly why they’re

they’ll see exactly why they’re

they’ll see exactly why they’re struggling whether or not there’s any

struggling whether or not there’s any

struggling whether or not there’s any hope and what they can do about it and

hope and what they can do about it and

hope and what they can do about it and from there they can either choose to

from there they can either choose to

from there they can either choose to hire a salesperson get some training get

hire a salesperson get some training get

hire a salesperson get some training get some coaching or ignore it bury their

some coaching or ignore it bury their

some coaching or ignore it bury their head in the sand that’s not the answer

head in the sand that’s not the answer

head in the sand that’s not the answer so that first one of I need to be liked

so that first one of I need to be liked

so that first one of I need to be liked right that’s your first part of the DNA

right that’s your first part of the DNA

right that’s your first part of the DNA so do salespeople need to be like the

so do salespeople need to be like the

so do salespeople need to be like the good salesperson needs to be liked is

good salesperson needs to be liked is

good salesperson needs to be liked is that is that what the times good ones

that is that what the times good ones

that is that what the times good ones don’t need to be liked yeah like I don’t

don’t need to be liked yeah like I don’t

don’t need to be liked yeah like I don’t need to be like they they’re generally

need to be like they they’re generally

need to be like they they’re generally likeable but they don’t need it it

likeable but they don’t need it it

likeable but they don’t need it it doesn’t validate them they’re more

doesn’t validate them they’re more

doesn’t validate them they’re more interested in having someone respect

interested in having someone respect

interested in having someone respect them or good I love them you know so you

them or good I love them you know so you

them or good I love them you know so you know you can get the love from a dog

know you can get the love from a dog

know you can get the love from a dog right or me or maybe from your salsa

right or me or maybe from your salsa

right or me or maybe from your salsa lessons right right right cool so this

lessons right right right cool so this

lessons right right right cool so this is also like a deep introspective dive

is also like a deep introspective dive

is also like a deep introspective dive into your psyche here this isn’t just my

into your psyche here this isn’t just my

into your psyche here this isn’t just my sales not not so deep into the psyche

sales not not so deep into the psyche

sales not not so deep into the psyche only only the part of the psyche that

only only the part of the psyche that

only only the part of the psyche that supports selling okay and he and need

supports selling okay and he and need

supports selling okay and he and need for approval is probably the only place

for approval is probably the only place

for approval is probably the only place we go that could be related to the

we go that could be related to the

we go that could be related to the psyche the rest of it it’s got more to

psyche the rest of it it’s got more to

psyche the rest of it it’s got more to do with bravery and comfort level okay

do with bravery and comfort level okay

do with bravery and comfort level okay that it has to do with any deep-seated

that it has to do with any deep-seated

that it has to do with any deep-seated psychological issues okay so I can spend

psychological issues okay so I can spend

psychological issues okay so I can spend my core in the box I get my tests and I

my core in the box I get my tests and I

my core in the box I get my tests and I will tell me if I’m gonna be a good

will tell me if I’m gonna be a good

will tell me if I’m gonna be a good salesperson or not so then for the for

salesperson or not so then for the for

salesperson or not so then for the for the skills part what are some of the

the skills part what are some of the

the skills part what are some of the skills that you find so if I’ve

skills that you find so if I’ve

skills that you find so if I’ve determined okay yeah I have the DNA to

determined okay yeah I have the DNA to

determined okay yeah I have the DNA to be a salesperson but I’m not getting my

be a salesperson but I’m not getting my

be a salesperson but I’m not getting my sales here wait a minute some of the

sales here wait a minute some of the

sales here wait a minute some of the skills right so then it’s probably a

skills right so then it’s probably a

skills right so then it’s probably a matter of which skill gaps are there and

matter of which skill gaps are there and

matter of which skill gaps are there and a lot of salespeople have top of the

a lot of salespeople have top of the

a lot of salespeople have top of the funnel skills but they don’t have the

funnel skills but they don’t have the

funnel skills but they don’t have the middle and bottom of the funnel skills

middle and bottom of the funnel skills

middle and bottom of the funnel skills so they can find opportunities but they

so they can find opportunities but they

so they can find opportunities but they can’t

can’t

can’t Ferengi ate themselves they they aren’t

Ferengi ate themselves they they aren’t

Ferengi ate themselves they they aren’t selling consultative ly it’s too

selling consultative ly it’s too

selling consultative ly it’s too transactional so they’re not drawing out

transactional so they’re not drawing out

transactional so they’re not drawing out the compelling reasons why somebody

the compelling reasons why somebody

the compelling reasons why somebody would spend their money with them

would spend their money with them

would spend their money with them instead of with somebody else and

instead of with somebody else and

instead of with somebody else and they’re not selling value some of them

they’re not selling value some of them

they’re not selling value some of them don’t have skills in the area of

don’t have skills in the area of

don’t have skills in the area of qualification so they’re not really

qualification so they’re not really

qualification so they’re not really finding out whether the opportunity is

finding out whether the opportunity is

finding out whether the opportunity is viable most of them are pretty good at

viable most of them are pretty good at

viable most of them are pretty good at presenting and talking about their

presenting and talking about their

presenting and talking about their capabilities and generating proposals

capabilities and generating proposals

capabilities and generating proposals and quotes so it’s the stuff that

and quotes so it’s the stuff that

and quotes so it’s the stuff that happens prior to the presenting and the

happens prior to the presenting and the

happens prior to the presenting and the demoing it’s it’s consultative selling

demoing it’s it’s consultative selling

demoing it’s it’s consultative selling and qualifying where most of the skill

and qualifying where most of the skill

and qualifying where most of the skill gaps are and then there’s a big group of

gaps are and then there’s a big group of

gaps are and then there’s a big group of people that are horrible at the top of

people that are horrible at the top of

people that are horrible at the top of the funnel if they get a prospect on the

the funnel if they get a prospect on the

the funnel if they get a prospect on the phone or they’re communicating via email

phone or they’re communicating via email

phone or they’re communicating via email or they’re out in the social selling

or they’re out in the social selling

or they’re out in the social selling world they don’t know how to have that

world they don’t know how to have that

world they don’t know how to have that first interaction of that first

first interaction of that first

first interaction of that first conversation that’ll get somebody to

conversation that’ll get somebody to

conversation that’ll get somebody to raise their hand say I’m interested in

raise their hand say I’m interested in

raise their hand say I’m interested in schedule a first meeting got it oh okay

schedule a first meeting got it oh okay

schedule a first meeting got it oh okay you know I just got a question from

you know I just got a question from

you know I just got a question from someone who’s watching on YouTube

someone who’s watching on YouTube

someone who’s watching on YouTube Jason Hiro didn’t say hi they have an

Jason Hiro didn’t say hi they have an

Jason Hiro didn’t say hi they have an Evan love what I’m hearing Napoleon Hill

Evan love what I’m hearing Napoleon Hill

Evan love what I’m hearing Napoleon Hill says we are all salesmen regardless of

says we are all salesmen regardless of

says we are all salesmen regardless of our calling how does this relate the

our calling how does this relate the

our calling how does this relate the people who don’t have Dave’s sales DNA

people who don’t have Dave’s sales DNA

people who don’t have Dave’s sales DNA well he’s right Napoleon Hill did say

well he’s right Napoleon Hill did say

well he’s right Napoleon Hill did say that but there’s a difference between

that but there’s a difference between

that but there’s a difference between convincing a family member or a friend

convincing a family member or a friend

convincing a family member or a friend to go to the movie or convincing them to

to go to the movie or convincing them to

to go to the movie or convincing them to choose this restaurant over that

choose this restaurant over that

choose this restaurant over that restaurant and putting money on the

restaurant and putting money on the

restaurant and putting money on the table and then having to convince

table and then having to convince

table and then having to convince somebody to choose us instead of the

somebody to choose us instead of the

somebody to choose us instead of the alternative and pay us what we want for

alternative and pay us what we want for

alternative and pay us what we want for what we’re trying to sell them so as

what we’re trying to sell them so as

what we’re trying to sell them so as soon as money and competition enters the

soon as money and competition enters the

soon as money and competition enters the equation everything changes can you so

equation everything changes can you so

equation everything changes can you so Jason’s asked him to expand can you

Jason’s asked him to expand can you

Jason’s asked him to expand can you expand on the difference there sure if

expand on the difference there sure if

expand on the difference there sure if if I reach out to you and say hey Evan

if I reach out to you and say hey Evan

if I reach out to you and say hey Evan how about interviewing me on your video

how about interviewing me on your video

how about interviewing me on your video YouTube channel you say yeah there’s no

YouTube channel you say yeah there’s no

YouTube channel you say yeah there’s no money riding on that there’s no win

money riding on that there’s no win

money riding on that there’s no win there’s no loss if it’s good for both of

there’s no loss if it’s good for both of

there’s no loss if it’s good for both of us we’ll do it on the other hand if I

us we’ll do it on the other hand if I

us we’ll do it on the other hand if I say hey

say hey

say hey Evon would you be interested in paying

Evon would you be interested in paying

Evon would you be interested in paying me $10,000 for me to appear on your

me $10,000 for me to appear on your

me $10,000 for me to appear on your YouTube video now I’ve added money into

YouTube video now I’ve added money into

YouTube video now I’ve added money into the equation now it’s a tough decision

the equation now it’s a tough decision

the equation now it’s a tough decision for you now there may not be any gain

for you now there may not be any gain

for you now there may not be any gain for you but the gain might all be for me

for you but the gain might all be for me

for you but the gain might all be for me so the whole thing has changed just

so the whole thing has changed just

so the whole thing has changed just because we’ve added money okay so let’s

because we’ve added money okay so let’s

because we’ve added money okay so let’s get to so thanks Jason for writing in

get to so thanks Jason for writing in

get to so thanks Jason for writing in let’s get to that difference you’re

let’s get to that difference you’re

let’s get to that difference you’re talking about sales people and some

talking about sales people and some

talking about sales people and some people are good at the top of the funnel

people are good at the top of the funnel

people are good at the top of the funnel and some people aren’t and they have

and some people aren’t and they have

and some people aren’t and they have skills that they’re missing do we is it

skills that they’re missing do we is it

skills that they’re missing do we is it better to go and learn those skills at

better to go and learn those skills at

better to go and learn those skills at the top of the funnel or is it better to

the top of the funnel or is it better to

the top of the funnel or is it better to have somebody who’s kind of the hunter

have somebody who’s kind of the hunter

have somebody who’s kind of the hunter and the lead acquisition and then you

and the lead acquisition and then you

and the lead acquisition and then you focus on the closing what what what

focus on the closing what what what

focus on the closing what what what great question great question if you’ve

great question great question if you’ve

great question great question if you’ve got the DNA to support it and we talked

got the DNA to support it and we talked

got the DNA to support it and we talked about some of that DNA whether or not

about some of that DNA whether or not

about some of that DNA whether or not they need to be liked and another pieces

they need to be liked and another pieces

they need to be liked and another pieces whether they can recover from rejection

whether they can recover from rejection

whether they can recover from rejection because rejection is part of selling so

because rejection is part of selling so

because rejection is part of selling so it’s not whether or not they’re going to

it’s not whether or not they’re going to

it’s not whether or not they’re going to get rejected they’re going to get

get rejected they’re going to get

get rejected they’re going to get rejected but how do they react to that

rejected but how do they react to that

rejected but how do they react to that respond to that can they get right back

respond to that can they get right back

respond to that can they get right back on the phone or does it take 10 minutes

on the phone or does it take 10 minutes

on the phone or does it take 10 minutes or 10 hours or 10 days or 10 weeks

or 10 hours or 10 days or 10 weeks

or 10 hours or 10 days or 10 weeks before they can do it again so how much

before they can do it again so how much

before they can do it again so how much they need to be like how they recover

they need to be like how they recover

they need to be like how they recover from rejection and how they feel about

from rejection and how they feel about

from rejection and how they feel about picking up the phone and making a call

picking up the phone and making a call

picking up the phone and making a call it goes into whether they can learn to

it goes into whether they can learn to

it goes into whether they can learn to be good at it so if the DNA supports it

be good at it so if the DNA supports it

be good at it so if the DNA supports it then we can teach them how to do it but

then we can teach them how to do it but

then we can teach them how to do it but they’ve got to change themselves a

they’ve got to change themselves a

they’ve got to change themselves a little bit it’s more than words they

little bit it’s more than words they

little bit it’s more than words they need to have the right tonality they

need to have the right tonality they

need to have the right tonality they need to sound engaging they need to be

need to sound engaging they need to be

need to sound engaging they need to be willing to go away from a script it’s a

willing to go away from a script it’s a

willing to go away from a script it’s a script that approach without a script so

script that approach without a script so

script that approach without a script so there’s a process they would need to

there’s a process they would need to

there’s a process they would need to follow and they’ve got to get away from

follow and they’ve got to get away from

follow and they’ve got to get away from just telling people who they are what

just telling people who they are what

just telling people who they are what their company is and what they’re

their company is and what they’re

their company is and what they’re selling and asked to meet with them

selling and asked to meet with them

selling and asked to meet with them they’ve got to take a more scientific

they’ve got to take a more scientific

they’ve got to take a more scientific approach so that they can get people’s

approach so that they can get people’s

approach so that they can get people’s attention and get them engaged and learn

attention and get them engaged and learn

attention and get them engaged and learn the right words to to get their

the right words to to get their

the right words to to get their attention with a positioning statement

attention with a positioning statement

attention with a positioning statement so

so

so yes they can learn it with supportive

yes they can learn it with supportive

yes they can learn it with supportive DNA but there’s a lot to it which might

DNA but there’s a lot to it which might

DNA but there’s a lot to it which might explain why so many of them suck so bad

explain why so many of them suck so bad

explain why so many of them suck so bad at it so the DNA will tell me fight if I

at it so the DNA will tell me fight if I

at it so the DNA will tell me fight if I have the ability to do that first part

have the ability to do that first part

have the ability to do that first part yeah you do then I should hire you’re

yeah you do then I should hire you’re

yeah you do then I should hire you’re fine I’m fine

fine I’m fine

fine I’m fine I didn’t go through the tests I know but

I didn’t go through the tests I know but

I didn’t go through the tests I know but I developed the test I already know I’m

I developed the test I already know I’m

I developed the test I already know I’m liking it I’m liking it okay let’s talk

liking it I’m liking it okay let’s talk

liking it I’m liking it okay let’s talk about your book so baseline selling it’s

about your book so baseline selling it’s

about your book so baseline selling it’s it’s a baseball theme for those of you

it’s a baseball theme for those of you

it’s a baseball theme for those of you haven’t seen it it is if there’s a you

haven’t seen it it is if there’s a you

haven’t seen it it is if there’s a you know picture of baseball players on it

know picture of baseball players on it

know picture of baseball players on it how does baseball relate to this Alan

how does baseball relate to this Alan

how does baseball relate to this Alan I’m a baseball fan so I’m curious well

I’m a baseball fan so I’m curious well

I’m a baseball fan so I’m curious well there’s a bunch of neat analogies that

there’s a bunch of neat analogies that

there’s a bunch of neat analogies that the appendix in the back of the book has

the appendix in the back of the book has

the appendix in the back of the book has about thirty analogies but the the two

about thirty analogies but the the two

about thirty analogies but the the two that are most important is that we can

that are most important is that we can

that are most important is that we can use the baseball diamond itself as a

use the baseball diamond itself as a

use the baseball diamond itself as a visual sales process so you can use the

visual sales process so you can use the

visual sales process so you can use the basis as a way to trace the evolution of

basis as a way to trace the evolution of

basis as a way to trace the evolution of the sales process it goes from suspect

the sales process it goes from suspect

the sales process it goes from suspect the prospect to qualified to closable

the prospect to qualified to closable

the prospect to qualified to closable first base second base third base home

first base second base third base home

first base second base third base home and we can lay out the steps and the

and we can lay out the steps and the

and we can lay out the steps and the milestones in the sales process on the

milestones in the sales process on the

milestones in the sales process on the base paths that’s one way it works

base paths that’s one way it works

base paths that’s one way it works probably the the coolest place that it

probably the the coolest place that it

probably the the coolest place that it works I don’t know how much time we have

works I don’t know how much time we have

works I don’t know how much time we have you have to time for a five-minute story

you have to time for a five-minute story

you have to time for a five-minute story yeah okay so one of the milestones

yeah okay so one of the milestones

yeah okay so one of the milestones between first and second base the the

between first and second base the the

between first and second base the the part of the sales process where we’re

part of the sales process where we’re

part of the sales process where we’re selling consultative ly and trying to

selling consultative ly and trying to

selling consultative ly and trying to differentiate ourselves we call it sob

differentiate ourselves we call it sob

differentiate ourselves we call it sob quality in this case sob stands for

quality in this case sob stands for

quality in this case sob stands for speed on the bases so you know for

speed on the bases so you know for

speed on the bases so you know for watching a baseball game and the

watching a baseball game and the

watching a baseball game and the speedster reaches first base the color

speedster reaches first base the color

speedster reaches first base the color analyst says well there’s speed on the

analyst says well there’s speed on the

analyst says well there’s speed on the bases so what that ends up meaning is

bases so what that ends up meaning is

bases so what that ends up meaning is that everybody in the stadium knows he’s

that everybody in the stadium knows he’s

that everybody in the stadium knows he’s gonna try and steal second so the

gonna try and steal second so the

gonna try and steal second so the pitcher starts to go into defensive

pitcher starts to go into defensive

pitcher starts to go into defensive tactics and starts throwing over to

tactics and starts throwing over to

tactics and starts throwing over to first base to maybe take a step or two

first base to maybe take a step or two

first base to maybe take a step or two off the lead to show that he’s paying

off the lead to show that he’s paying

off the lead to show that he’s paying attention maybe to tire him out he’s got

attention maybe to tire him out he’s got

attention maybe to tire him out he’s got a slide and dive back into

a slide and dive back into

a slide and dive back into first-base every time and eventually

first-base every time and eventually

first-base every time and eventually he’s got a pitch to the hitter but the

he’s got a pitch to the hitter but the

he’s got a pitch to the hitter but the hitter has an advantage now because he

hitter has an advantage now because he

hitter has an advantage now because he knows a fastball is coming there’s a big

knows a fastball is coming there’s a big

knows a fastball is coming there’s a big gap on the right side of the infield

gap on the right side of the infield

gap on the right side of the infield because the first baseman’s on first

because the first baseman’s on first

because the first baseman’s on first base

base

base second baseman’s come in a bit and over

second baseman’s come in a bit and over

second baseman’s come in a bit and over towards second to take a throw on an

towards second to take a throw on an

towards second to take a throw on an attempted steal and play for a double

attempted steal and play for a double

attempted steal and play for a double play so the the next hitter with great

play so the the next hitter with great

play so the the next hitter with great bat control has an advantage where he

bat control has an advantage where he

bat control has an advantage where he knows it’s a fastball and he’s got the

knows it’s a fastball and he’s got the

knows it’s a fastball and he’s got the whole right side of the infield to punch

whole right side of the infield to punch

whole right side of the infield to punch it through so the the base stealer has

it through so the the base stealer has

it through so the the base stealer has changed the energy of the game and has

changed the energy of the game and has

changed the energy of the game and has taken over the game by getting the

taken over the game by getting the

taken over the game by getting the pitcher to pay more attention to him

pitcher to pay more attention to him

pitcher to pay more attention to him than the hitter if we translate that to

than the hitter if we translate that to

than the hitter if we translate that to selling we as sales people have

selling we as sales people have

selling we as sales people have developed sob quality when we get the

developed sob quality when we get the

developed sob quality when we get the prospect to pay more attention to us

prospect to pay more attention to us

prospect to pay more attention to us than all of our competitors and we do

than all of our competitors and we do

than all of our competitors and we do that by building a better relationship

that by building a better relationship

that by building a better relationship by showing that we care by showing that

by showing that we care by showing that

by showing that we care by showing that we’re listening by differentiating

we’re listening by differentiating

we’re listening by differentiating demonstrating our expertise and we do

demonstrating our expertise and we do

demonstrating our expertise and we do all of that by asking questions asking

all of that by asking questions asking

all of that by asking questions asking more questions better questions tougher

more questions better questions tougher

more questions better questions tougher questions than the competition until

questions than the competition until

questions than the competition until we’ve had the kind of conversation with

we’ve had the kind of conversation with

we’ve had the kind of conversation with a prospect that nobody else has ever had

a prospect that nobody else has ever had

a prospect that nobody else has ever had with them and that game-changing

with them and that game-changing

with them and that game-changing differentiating conversation is the

differentiating conversation is the

differentiating conversation is the culmination of developing speed on the

culmination of developing speed on the

culmination of developing speed on the bases sob sob will be I was buried

bases sob sob will be I was buried

bases sob sob will be I was buried you’re right exactly

you’re right exactly

you’re right exactly I guess gone he’s gone he’s been

I guess gone he’s gone he’s been

I guess gone he’s gone he’s been pinstripes now was the new speedster in

pinstripes now was the new speedster in

pinstripes now was the new speedster in Boston Jackie Bradley is replacing

Boston Jackie Bradley is replacing

Boston Jackie Bradley is replacing Jacoby Ellsbury he’s a rookie so he’s

Jacoby Ellsbury he’s a rookie so he’s

Jacoby Ellsbury he’s a rookie so he’s not as fast as Jacobi buddy’s he’s got

not as fast as Jacobi buddy’s he’s got

not as fast as Jacobi buddy’s he’s got all the tools of jacobian now we’ll see

all the tools of jacobian now we’ll see

all the tools of jacobian now we’ll see how it plays out at the major league

how it plays out at the major league

how it plays out at the major league level very and what about up in Toronto

level very and what about up in Toronto

level very and what about up in Toronto this year they’re supposed to have a

this year they’re supposed to have a

this year they’re supposed to have a good team we’ll just have a good team

good team we’ll just have a good team

good team we’ll just have a good team last year but we’ll see supposed to have

last year but we’ll see supposed to have

last year but we’ll see supposed to have a good team every year I was excited

a good team every year I was excited

a good team every year I was excited last year with all this all the trades

last year with all this all the trades

last year with all this all the trades everything but I don’t know we’ll see

everything but I don’t know we’ll see

everything but I don’t know we’ll see I’m confident yeah you guys got the same

I’m confident yeah you guys got the same

I’m confident yeah you guys got the same roster from the Florida Marlins that

roster from the Florida Marlins that

roster from the Florida Marlins that didn’t succeed with the Florida Marlins

didn’t succeed with the Florida Marlins

didn’t succeed with the Florida Marlins it’s like digging it in there okay so

it’s like digging it in there okay so

it’s like digging it in there okay so back on top tip to develop those skills

back on top tip to develop those skills

back on top tip to develop those skills and ask better questions and develop my

and ask better questions and develop my

and ask better questions and develop my sob is it training with you guys is it

sob is it training with you guys is it

sob is it training with you guys is it going through this assessment tool is it

going through this assessment tool is it

going through this assessment tool is it reading your book is it a combination

reading your book is it a combination

reading your book is it a combination like how do I so I know I have a gap in

like how do I so I know I have a gap in

like how do I so I know I have a gap in skills how do I get better well if the

skills how do I get better well if the

skills how do I get better well if the evaluation shows that you know there are

evaluation shows that you know there are

evaluation shows that you know there are some weaknesses and some skill gaps then

some weaknesses and some skill gaps then

some weaknesses and some skill gaps then we can do some training or and/or some

we can do some training or and/or some

we can do some training or and/or some coaching so what we’re talking about

coaching so what we’re talking about

coaching so what we’re talking about right now between first and second base

right now between first and second base

right now between first and second base with developing sob that’s that’s all

with developing sob that’s that’s all

with developing sob that’s that’s all listening and asking questions and most

listening and asking questions and most

listening and asking questions and most salespeople even the good salespeople

salespeople even the good salespeople

salespeople even the good salespeople are deficient when it comes to really

are deficient when it comes to really

are deficient when it comes to really good listening skills and being able to

good listening skills and being able to

good listening skills and being able to ask spontaneous questions based on what

ask spontaneous questions based on what

ask spontaneous questions based on what they’re hearing so training and coaching

they’re hearing so training and coaching

they’re hearing so training and coaching is the answer to that and sure you can

is the answer to that and sure you can

is the answer to that and sure you can read the book is there is there just for

read the book is there is there just for

read the book is there is there just for everybody watching is there even an

everybody watching is there even an

everybody watching is there even an example you can go through or a client

example you can go through or a client

example you can go through or a client wait a minute without naming names but

wait a minute without naming names but

wait a minute without naming names but someone who epitomized that was not

someone who epitomized that was not

someone who epitomized that was not great at listening and it cost them and

great at listening and it cost them and

great at listening and it cost them and how he came and helped them and how you

how he came and helped them and how you

how he came and helped them and how you fix them geez we can probably point to

fix them geez we can probably point to

fix them geez we can probably point to every client when I do that because as

every client when I do that because as

every client when I do that because as soon as as soon as you can teach

soon as as soon as you can teach

soon as as soon as you can teach salespeople or entrepreneurs to

salespeople or entrepreneurs to

salespeople or entrepreneurs to effectively listen and ask questions

effectively listen and ask questions

effectively listen and ask questions everything changes everything changes

everything changes everything changes

everything changes everything changes the way a prospect looks at you changes

the way a prospect looks at you changes

the way a prospect looks at you changes the way they share information with you

the way they share information with you

the way they share information with you changes the amount of time they give you

changes the amount of time they give you

changes the amount of time they give you changes the amount of attention they

changes the amount of attention they

changes the amount of attention they give you changes you go from salesperson

give you changes you go from salesperson

give you changes you go from salesperson or a vendor to trusted advisor so you

or a vendor to trusted advisor so you

or a vendor to trusted advisor so you basically get to the point where they

basically get to the point where they

basically get to the point where they won’t do anything without talking to you

won’t do anything without talking to you

won’t do anything without talking to you so in a typical company once we get a

so in a typical company once we get a

so in a typical company once we get a Salesforce to go through that transition

Salesforce to go through that transition

Salesforce to go through that transition with a typical entrepreneur once we get

with a typical entrepreneur once we get

with a typical entrepreneur once we get them individually to go through that

them individually to go through that

them individually to go through that transition it can take several months to

transition it can take several months to

transition it can take several months to develop and master the

develop and master the

develop and master the skills we usually see them double their

skills we usually see them double their

skills we usually see them double their revenue it’s great is there is it a

revenue it’s great is there is it a

revenue it’s great is there is it a mindset you need to develop is it asking

mindset you need to develop is it asking

mindset you need to develop is it asking certain questions I have to believe they

certain questions I have to believe they

certain questions I have to believe they must believe guard

must believe guard

must believe guard it starts with mindset they have to know

it starts with mindset they have to know

it starts with mindset they have to know that it’s okay they have to know that

that it’s okay they have to know that

that it’s okay they have to know that they can they have to know that no one’s

they can they have to know that no one’s

they can they have to know that no one’s gonna get upset with them and tell them

gonna get upset with them and tell them

gonna get upset with them and tell them to stop asking questions cuz a lot of

to stop asking questions cuz a lot of

to stop asking questions cuz a lot of them are afraid that well I can’t ask

them are afraid that well I can’t ask

them are afraid that well I can’t ask those questions I can’t push back I

those questions I can’t push back I

those questions I can’t push back I can’t challenge but that’s how you

can’t challenge but that’s how you

can’t challenge but that’s how you differentiate yourself by challenging

differentiate yourself by challenging

differentiate yourself by challenging conventional thinking and pushing back

conventional thinking and pushing back

conventional thinking and pushing back on something that was said and asking

on something that was said and asking

on something that was said and asking for explanations and not having all the

for explanations and not having all the

for explanations and not having all the answers and until you identify a problem

answers and until you identify a problem

answers and until you identify a problem you can solve and understand the

you can solve and understand the

you can solve and understand the consequences of that problem and the

consequences of that problem and the

consequences of that problem and the impact and can quantify it and put a

impact and can quantify it and put a

impact and can quantify it and put a dollar amount on it and be able to share

dollar amount on it and be able to share

dollar amount on it and be able to share with a prospect so we’re talking about a

with a prospect so we’re talking about a

with a prospect so we’re talking about a 10 million dollar problem right and

10 million dollar problem right and

10 million dollar problem right and that’s a game-changer so to get to that

that’s a game-changer so to get to that

that’s a game-changer so to get to that to get to those problems is there is

to get to those problems is there is

to get to those problems is there is there a common type of question a common

there a common type of question a common

there a common type of question a common scenario where sales people are afraid

scenario where sales people are afraid

scenario where sales people are afraid to push back on something and they kind

to push back on something and they kind

to push back on something and they kind of like yeah there’s always example they

of like yeah there’s always example they

of like yeah there’s always example they always think they’ve asked enough

always think they’ve asked enough

always think they’ve asked enough questions they always assume they know

questions they always assume they know

questions they always assume they know what the problem is they always assume

what the problem is they always assume

what the problem is they always assume it’s the same problem that everybody

it’s the same problem that everybody

it’s the same problem that everybody else has but it’s if they can ask so

else has but it’s if they can ask so

else has but it’s if they can ask so tell me a little more about that a

tell me a little more about that a

tell me a little more about that a couple more times so tell me how that

couple more times so tell me how that

couple more times so tell me how that manifests for you but give me an example

manifests for you but give me an example

manifests for you but give me an example of the last time that happened or when

of the last time that happened or when

of the last time that happened or when that happened who bore all the pressure

that happened who bore all the pressure

that happened who bore all the pressure of that who did that impact person who

of that who did that impact person who

of that who did that impact person who else cares about that what do they say

else cares about that what do they say

else cares about that what do they say about that so it’s it’s basically the

about that so it’s it’s basically the

about that so it’s it’s basically the polite English language version of more

polite English language version of more

polite English language version of more more MORE okay limit let me shift gears

more MORE okay limit let me shift gears

more MORE okay limit let me shift gears to I have a question that from an

to I have a question that from an

to I have a question that from an entrepreneur friend of mine okay he has

entrepreneur friend of mine okay he has

entrepreneur friend of mine okay he has a sales guy and they fight over how much

a sales guy and they fight over how much

a sales guy and they fight over how much research you need to do before you call

research you need to do before you call

research you need to do before you call up a client so

up a client so

up a client so his sales guy Hassan he likes to do a

his sales guy Hassan he likes to do a

his sales guy Hassan he likes to do a lot of research and look at the website

lot of research and look at the website

lot of research and look at the website look at every page understand their

look at every page understand their

look at every page understand their business and my entrepreneur friend is

business and my entrepreneur friend is

business and my entrepreneur friend is saying just call them and start a

saying just call them and start a

saying just call them and start a conversation and they’ll tell everything

conversation and they’ll tell everything

conversation and they’ll tell everything you need to know and he gets upset that

you need to know and he gets upset that

you need to know and he gets upset that a sales guy takes so long it feels like

a sales guy takes so long it feels like

a sales guy takes so long it feels like he could be calling a lot more people if

he could be calling a lot more people if

he could be calling a lot more people if you didn’t spend so much time

you didn’t spend so much time

you didn’t spend so much time researching what what are you what’s

researching what what are you what’s

researching what what are you what’s your advice for that kind of situation

your advice for that kind of situation

your advice for that kind of situation your entrepreneur friend is right just

your entrepreneur friend is right just

your entrepreneur friend is right just pick up the phone and call now okay you

pick up the phone and call now okay you

pick up the phone and call now okay you need to know enough to know that they’re

need to know enough to know that they’re

need to know enough to know that they’re an appropriate target that they fit a

an appropriate target that they fit a

an appropriate target that they fit a profile that they’re in our sweet spot

profile that they’re in our sweet spot

profile that they’re in our sweet spot we need to know if if we solve the kinds

we need to know if if we solve the kinds

we need to know if if we solve the kinds of problems that are relevant to what

of problems that are relevant to what

of problems that are relevant to what they might be in the news for and to

they might be in the news for and to

they might be in the news for and to what might be on their website we might

what might be on their website we might

what might be on their website we might need to know that they have the things

need to know that they have the things

need to know that they have the things going on that we can help with but but

going on that we can help with but but

going on that we can help with but but short of that get on the phone and make

short of that get on the phone and make

short of that get on the phone and make the call or go into your LinkedIn

the call or go into your LinkedIn

the call or go into your LinkedIn Network and find somebody that can

Network and find somebody that can

Network and find somebody that can introduce you to break the ice and lower

introduce you to break the ice and lower

introduce you to break the ice and lower the first barrier so that you don’t have

the first barrier so that you don’t have

the first barrier so that you don’t have to make a cold call but do it get on it

to make a cold call but do it get on it

to make a cold call but do it get on it be Nike just do it be Nike and believe

be Nike just do it be Nike and believe

be Nike just do it be Nike and believe and believe you got it that’s right what

and believe you got it that’s right what

and believe you got it that’s right what do you recommend for someone who’d like

do you recommend for someone who’d like

do you recommend for someone who’d like to get over that fear to call somebody

to get over that fear to call somebody

to get over that fear to call somebody especially cold calling right people are

especially cold calling right people are

especially cold calling right people are just afraid afraid to follow up afraid

just afraid afraid to follow up afraid

just afraid afraid to follow up afraid to make that first initial call – how do

to make that first initial call – how do

to make that first initial call – how do you get over that fear you might not

you get over that fear you might not

you get over that fear you might not that like I said some people don’t have

that like I said some people don’t have

that like I said some people don’t have sales DNA that will support cold calling

sales DNA that will support cold calling

sales DNA that will support cold calling and it’s not fair to ask that person to

and it’s not fair to ask that person to

and it’s not fair to ask that person to cold call if in their DNA they don’t

cold call if in their DNA they don’t

cold call if in their DNA they don’t have what it takes to support doing that

have what it takes to support doing that

have what it takes to support doing that all you’re gonna do is just drive them

all you’re gonna do is just drive them

all you’re gonna do is just drive them nuts and cause them to feel bad about

nuts and cause them to feel bad about

nuts and cause them to feel bad about themselves because they’re going to

themselves because they’re going to

themselves because they’re going to underperform they’re going to

underperform they’re going to

underperform they’re going to underachieve they’re going to fail so

underachieve they’re going to fail so

underachieve they’re going to fail so you’ve got to put them in a role that

you’ve got to put them in a role that

you’ve got to put them in a role that they’re better suited for and if cold

they’re better suited for and if cold

they’re better suited for and if cold calling isn’t what they’re best suited

calling isn’t what they’re best suited

calling isn’t what they’re best suited for let’s not make them do it

for let’s not make them do it

for let’s not make them do it we can’t change their DNA so what you

we can’t change their DNA so what you

we can’t change their DNA so what you have a good salesperson like if they’re

have a good salesperson like if they’re

have a good salesperson like if they’re not good at cold calling can they still

not good at cold calling can they still

not good at cold calling can they still be and they still do the rest of it they

be and they still do the rest of it they

be and they still do the rest of it they can

can

can and and they can work with the issue

and and they can work with the issue

and and they can work with the issue they can work their customer base for

they can work their customer base for

they can work their customer base for referrals and introductions if they know

referrals and introductions if they know

referrals and introductions if they know they’re not gonna make you know forty

they’re not gonna make you know forty

they’re not gonna make you know forty cold calls a day

cold calls a day

cold calls a day well fine as long as they can find

well fine as long as they can find

well fine as long as they can find enough new opportunities some other way

enough new opportunities some other way

enough new opportunities some other way as long as they can do if you marketing

as long as they can do if you marketing

as long as they can do if you marketing do referrals do introductions to being

do referrals do introductions to being

do referrals do introductions to being out there speaking engagements do videos

out there speaking engagements do videos

out there speaking engagements do videos just some way of getting found so that

just some way of getting found so that

just some way of getting found so that they don’t have to rely on cold calls

they don’t have to rely on cold calls

they don’t have to rely on cold calls this is great Dave I really appreciate

this is great Dave I really appreciate

this is great Dave I really appreciate all the time today it’s been great to

all the time today it’s been great to

all the time today it’s been great to meet you kind of face to face well we

meet you kind of face to face well we

meet you kind of face to face well we we’ve emailed back and forth over the

we’ve emailed back and forth over the

we’ve emailed back and forth over the last several years old market times I

last several years old market times I

last several years old market times I know this is the first time we’ve

know this is the first time we’ve

know this is the first time we’ve actually spoken it’s great it’s just a

actually spoken it’s great it’s just a

actually spoken it’s great it’s just a wrap-up if people are interested in

wrap-up if people are interested in

wrap-up if people are interested in learning about your book or they want to

learning about your book or they want to

learning about your book or they want to you know get your assessment or they

you know get your assessment or they

you know get your assessment or they want to do some coaching or training

want to do some coaching or training

want to do some coaching or training with you what’s the best way for people

with you what’s the best way for people

with you what’s the best way for people to find you they can email me the easy

to find you they can email me the easy

to find you they can email me the easy email address is Dave at baseline

email address is Dave at baseline

email address is Dave at baseline selling calm okay I’m all over the web

selling calm okay I’m all over the web

selling calm okay I’m all over the web find me on LinkedIn you can my blog oMG

find me on LinkedIn you can my blog oMG

find me on LinkedIn you can my blog oMG like oh my god hub hu b.com that the

like oh my god hub hu b.com that the

like oh my god hub hu b.com that the blog is understanding the Salesforce oMG

blog is understanding the Salesforce oMG

blog is understanding the Salesforce oMG is short for objective management group

is short for objective management group

is short for objective management group the assessment company so oMG hub calm

the assessment company so oMG hub calm

the assessment company so oMG hub calm objective management calm kerlun and

objective management calm kerlun and

objective management calm kerlun and associate kerlun associates.com just

associate kerlun associates.com just

associate kerlun associates.com just Google Dave kerlun if you need to reach

Google Dave kerlun if you need to reach

Google Dave kerlun if you need to reach me I’ll be there or of course on your

me I’ll be there or of course on your

me I’ll be there or of course on your site right you’re through yeah

site right you’re through yeah

site right you’re through yeah absolutely q-final never chemical calm

absolutely q-final never chemical calm

absolutely q-final never chemical calm thank you so much David really

thank you so much David really

thank you so much David really appreciate all the time thanks for

appreciate all the time thanks for

appreciate all the time thanks for having me Evan it was great fun good

having me Evan it was great fun good

having me Evan it was great fun good luck

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