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“Are you in or are you out?’’ | Dawan Williams | TEDxChesterStatePrison


I’m so excited to introduce our next

I’m so excited to introduce our next speaker who is truly a Department of

speaker who is truly a Department of

speaker who is truly a Department of Corrections success story one of the

Corrections success story one of the

Corrections success story one of the things that’s really unique about our

things that’s really unique about our

things that’s really unique about our department that you won’t see

department that you won’t see

department that you won’t see necessarily across the country is that

necessarily across the country is that

necessarily across the country is that our department is not threatened by

our department is not threatened by

our department is not threatened by programs that are created by inmates and

programs that are created by inmates and

programs that are created by inmates and there’s one such program at SDI

there’s one such program at SDI

there’s one such program at SDI Graterford called the fat program which

Graterford called the fat program which

Graterford called the fat program which an acronym for fathers and children

an acronym for fathers and children

an acronym for fathers and children together and it’s a program that uses

together and it’s a program that uses

together and it’s a program that uses the vehicle of art to bring together a

the vehicle of art to bring together a

the vehicle of art to bring together a father and their child and learn how to

father and their child and learn how to

father and their child and learn how to how to be together and it’s a really

how to be together and it’s a really

how to be together and it’s a really cool program former representative ron

cool program former representative ron

cool program former representative ron waters brought this idea go ahead you

waters brought this idea go ahead you

waters brought this idea go ahead you give my pops out of applause brought

give my pops out of applause brought

give my pops out of applause brought this program to me I think it was

this program to me I think it was

this program to me I think it was superintendent when their weights at the

superintendent when their weights at the

superintendent when their weights at the time signed off and we went off into

time signed off and we went off into

time signed off and we went off into this journey and probably the best sell

this journey and probably the best sell

this journey and probably the best sell the best advertisement for this program

the best advertisement for this program

the best advertisement for this program and programs like these as our following

and programs like these as our following

and programs like these as our following speakers so I’d like to introduce the

speakers so I’d like to introduce the

speakers so I’d like to introduce the Juan Williams

Juan Williams

Juan Williams [Applause]

children of incarcerated parents are

children of incarcerated parents are seven times more likely to become

seven times more likely to become

seven times more likely to become incarcerated themselves so I must ask

incarcerated themselves so I must ask

incarcerated themselves so I must ask each and every individual in here today

each and every individual in here today

each and every individual in here today are you in or are you out because there

are you in or are you out because there

are you in or are you out because there is no in between me myself I was in ten

is no in between me myself I was in ten

is no in between me myself I was in ten years six days 12 hours 37 minutes and

years six days 12 hours 37 minutes and

years six days 12 hours 37 minutes and 13 seconds 13 seconds that’s how long it

13 seconds 13 seconds that’s how long it

13 seconds 13 seconds that’s how long it took for the slider to open for me to

took for the slider to open for me to

took for the slider to open for me to step through for my freedom at SC I

step through for my freedom at SC I

step through for my freedom at SC I greeted for prison I was then I chose to

greeted for prison I was then I chose to

greeted for prison I was then I chose to break the law I chose to put my children

break the law I chose to put my children

break the law I chose to put my children in a position to have to grow up without

in a position to have to grow up without

in a position to have to grow up without their father they didn’t choose for

their father they didn’t choose for

their father they didn’t choose for themselves I chose for them I chose for

themselves I chose for them I chose for

themselves I chose for them I chose for my mother to have to travel six seven

my mother to have to travel six seven

my mother to have to travel six seven eight hours away gas money

eight hours away gas money

eight hours away gas money commissary phone calls tolls hotels

commissary phone calls tolls hotels

commissary phone calls tolls hotels because of a bad choice that I made I

because of a bad choice that I made I

because of a bad choice that I made I was sentenced to die in prison but on

was sentenced to die in prison but on

was sentenced to die in prison but on April the 2nd 2011 my conviction my

April the 2nd 2011 my conviction my

April the 2nd 2011 my conviction my sentence was vacated and my sentence was

sentence was vacated and my sentence was

sentence was vacated and my sentence was overturned

17 months later August the 16th Thursday

17 months later August the 16th Thursday August 16th 2012 I was transferred to SC

August 16th 2012 I was transferred to SC

August 16th 2012 I was transferred to SC I Graterford when I got to SC I

I Graterford when I got to SC I

I Graterford when I got to SC I Graterford I was approached by a a

Graterford I was approached by a a

Graterford I was approached by a a prisoner who was currently serving a

prisoner who was currently serving a

prisoner who was currently serving a life sentence who was well respected you

life sentence who was well respected you

life sentence who was well respected you know in the neighborhoods and in prison

know in the neighborhoods and in prison

know in the neighborhoods and in prison and may his his peace and blessings be

and may his his peace and blessings be

and may his his peace and blessings be upon this because he’s no longer with us

upon this because he’s no longer with us

upon this because he’s no longer with us today and it’s individual he approached

today and it’s individual he approached

today and it’s individual he approached me about the fact program fathers and

me about the fact program fathers and

me about the fact program fathers and children together and he said that um

children together and he said that um

children together and he said that um this is a program that’s geared towards

this is a program that’s geared towards

this is a program that’s geared towards reconnecting incarcerated fathers back

reconnecting incarcerated fathers back

reconnecting incarcerated fathers back with their children and me I was kind of

with their children and me I was kind of

with their children and me I was kind of young at the time I thought I had it all

young at the time I thought I had it all

young at the time I thought I had it all figured out you know I don’t I don’t

figured out you know I don’t I don’t

figured out you know I don’t I don’t need a program designed by inmates to

need a program designed by inmates to

need a program designed by inmates to tell me how to be a father but these men

tell me how to be a father but these men

tell me how to be a father but these men were tired of going into visiting room

were tired of going into visiting room

were tired of going into visiting room and seeing women whether it be mothers

and seeing women whether it be mothers

and seeing women whether it be mothers grandmothers or the mothers of your

grandmothers or the mothers of your

grandmothers or the mothers of your child bring children up to a visiting

child bring children up to a visiting

child bring children up to a visiting room and you’re more in tune with the

room and you’re more in tune with the

room and you’re more in tune with the adult and the child is left running

adult and the child is left running

adult and the child is left running around the visiting room doing his own

around the visiting room doing his own

around the visiting room doing his own thing so they came up with the formula

thing so they came up with the formula

thing so they came up with the formula that’s geared towards reconnecting

that’s geared towards reconnecting

that’s geared towards reconnecting incarcerated fathers back with their

incarcerated fathers back with their

incarcerated fathers back with their children I have three children

children I have three children

children I have three children I own a Lynn Williams DeWine Williams

I own a Lynn Williams DeWine Williams

I own a Lynn Williams DeWine Williams and Diana Shaw they tried to tell me

and Diana Shaw they tried to tell me

and Diana Shaw they tried to tell me that my son was a problem they told me

that my son was a problem they told me

that my son was a problem they told me that my son he needed medication he was

that my son he needed medication he was

that my son he needed medication he was he needs to be diagnosed with ADHD and

he needs to be diagnosed with ADHD and

he needs to be diagnosed with ADHD and ABC and all that other stuff they said

ABC and all that other stuff they said

ABC and all that other stuff they said your son needs to be sent away okay I

your son needs to be sent away okay I

your son needs to be sent away okay I never told anyone that I was coming home

never told anyone that I was coming home

never told anyone that I was coming home okay I never told anyone I was coming

okay I never told anyone I was coming

okay I never told anyone I was coming home so while I was in this program we

home so while I was in this program we

home so while I was in this program we came up with another component instead

came up with another component instead

came up with another component instead of sitting around crying about what’s

of sitting around crying about what’s

of sitting around crying about what’s not happening a group of individuals

not happening a group of individuals

not happening a group of individuals decide to make something happen so I’ve

decide to make something happen so I’ve

decide to make something happen so I’ve reached out to his school principal I

reached out to his school principal I

reached out to his school principal I explained my situation helped me help my

explained my situation helped me help my

explained my situation helped me help my son from where I am the principal wrote

son from where I am the principal wrote

son from where I am the principal wrote me back

me back

me back the principal wrote me back he sent me a

the principal wrote me back he sent me a

the principal wrote me back he sent me a copy of my son’s report card he sent me

copy of my son’s report card he sent me

copy of my son’s report card he sent me a copy of his progress report he sent me

a copy of his progress report he sent me

a copy of his progress report he sent me a copy of each and every suspension

a copy of each and every suspension

a copy of each and every suspension letter that was in his file from first

letter that was in his file from first

letter that was in his file from first second third grade so then I called them

second third grade so then I called them

second third grade so then I called them because I had made parole and I still

because I had made parole and I still

because I had made parole and I still hadn’t told anyone and I left everyone

hadn’t told anyone and I left everyone

hadn’t told anyone and I left everyone in the dark for a reason

in the dark for a reason

in the dark for a reason so then Superintendent Mike Werner woods

so then Superintendent Mike Werner woods

so then Superintendent Mike Werner woods I was a staff dinah hard worker

I was a staff dinah hard worker

I was a staff dinah hard worker I took the folder the superintendent

I took the folder the superintendent

I took the folder the superintendent with narrow as I said look the principal

with narrow as I said look the principal

with narrow as I said look the principal wrote me back I want to take this

wrote me back I want to take this

wrote me back I want to take this information with me out on a visit

information with me out on a visit

information with me out on a visit because I want to confront my son about

because I want to confront my son about

because I want to confront my son about his behavior

his behavior

his behavior sure no problem so that’s how we built

sure no problem so that’s how we built

sure no problem so that’s how we built relate that’s how I built the

relate that’s how I built the

relate that’s how I built the relationship with the dear principal so

relationship with the dear principal so

relationship with the dear principal so now I’m out ten years six days 12 hours

now I’m out ten years six days 12 hours

now I’m out ten years six days 12 hours 23 minutes 13 seconds later I step off

23 minutes 13 seconds later I step off

23 minutes 13 seconds later I step off the walls of Greater further my family

the walls of Greater further my family

the walls of Greater further my family is my brother is there to pick me up

is my brother is there to pick me up

is my brother is there to pick me up he said come on we’re gonna go eat no I

he said come on we’re gonna go eat no I

he said come on we’re gonna go eat no I don’t want to go eat come on we got to

don’t want to go eat come on we got to

don’t want to go eat come on we got to get you out and clothes no no no no I

get you out and clothes no no no no I

get you out and clothes no no no no I don’t want to get out those clothes take

don’t want to get out those clothes take

don’t want to get out those clothes take me straight from SC igrader for prison

me straight from SC igrader for prison

me straight from SC igrader for prison straight to Joseph Fennell elementary

straight to Joseph Fennell elementary

straight to Joseph Fennell elementary school straight to my son’s school no

school straight to my son’s school no

school straight to my son’s school no stop no change clothes no go down the

stop no change clothes no go down the

stop no change clothes no go down the way no go see home boy no go see home

way no go see home boy no go see home

way no go see home boy no go see home girl go back to your children who’s

girl go back to your children who’s

girl go back to your children who’s waiting for you

I got out the car they assured your

I got out the car they assured your studia through the hallway now mainly

studia through the hallway now mainly

studia through the hallway now mainly these type of stories go on for

these type of stories go on for

these type of stories go on for individuals returning home from the

individuals returning home from the

individuals returning home from the military they come home they surprise

military they come home they surprise

military they come home they surprise they family that they back so we wanted

they family that they back so we wanted

they family that they back so we wanted to step outside the box and do something

to step outside the box and do something

to step outside the box and do something different

different

different keep in mind my children thought that

keep in mind my children thought that

keep in mind my children thought that they would never see their father in

they would never see their father in

they would never see their father in society again a lot of people thought

society again a lot of people thought

society again a lot of people thought that nobody knew I was coming home with

that nobody knew I was coming home with

that nobody knew I was coming home with the exception of the fathers and

the exception of the fathers and

the exception of the fathers and children together program so when I walk

children together program so when I walk

children together program so when I walk into the school library at Joseph

into the school library at Joseph

into the school library at Joseph Fennell elementary school the cameras

Fennell elementary school the cameras

Fennell elementary school the cameras are rolling the newspaper are there the

are rolling the newspaper are there the

are rolling the newspaper are there the power 99 radio station was there I began

power 99 radio station was there I began

power 99 radio station was there I began giving my spill and going to the

giving my spill and going to the

giving my spill and going to the interview the principal leaves out he

interview the principal leaves out he

interview the principal leaves out he goes up to my son classroom DeWine

goes up to my son classroom DeWine

goes up to my son classroom DeWine Williams come with me the whole class

Williams come with me the whole class

Williams come with me the whole class said ooh you in trouble

DeWine says what I do what I do come

DeWine says what I do what I do come with me

with me

with me just come with me he walks them down the

just come with me he walks them down the

just come with me he walks them down the steps I’m in the school library I’m

steps I’m in the school library I’m

steps I’m in the school library I’m giving my spill you know giving my

giving my spill you know giving my

giving my spill you know giving my gratitude to the fathers of children

gratitude to the fathers of children

gratitude to the fathers of children together program giving my gratitude to

together program giving my gratitude to

together program giving my gratitude to the men who helped change my life inside

the men who helped change my life inside

the men who helped change my life inside the walls of SC I greater for prison and

the walls of SC I greater for prison and

the walls of SC I greater for prison and up in my peripheral vision I see the

up in my peripheral vision I see the

up in my peripheral vision I see the principal walk in what my son walking in

principal walk in what my son walking in

principal walk in what my son walking in now for a little DeWine when I first got

now for a little DeWine when I first got

now for a little DeWine when I first got him car serrated his mother was just

him car serrated his mother was just

him car serrated his mother was just impregnated with him so her whole nine

impregnated with him so her whole nine

impregnated with him so her whole nine months of pregnancy and each and every

months of pregnancy and each and every

months of pregnancy and each and every birthday after that all of he knew all

birthday after that all of he knew all

birthday after that all of he knew all that he knew of his father was through

that he knew of his father was through

that he knew of his father was through the visiting room phone calls 15-minute

the visiting room phone calls 15-minute

the visiting room phone calls 15-minute phone calls when they could happen back

phone calls when they could happen back

phone calls when they could happen back when phone calls was five dollars and

when phone calls was five dollars and

when phone calls was five dollars and some change letters and the stories that

some change letters and the stories that

some change letters and the stories that he would hear of his father so he walks

he would hear of his father so he walks

he would hear of his father so he walks into the school library and he’s still

into the school library and he’s still

into the school library and he’s still trying to figure out from the principal

trying to figure out from the principal

trying to figure out from the principal what I do what I do and the principal

what I do what I do and the principal

what I do what I do and the principal accident you know this gentleman

accident you know this gentleman

accident you know this gentleman standing right here

standing right here

standing right here then why I looked up

and I opened my arms and the wine came

and I opened my arms and the wine came and gave me the biggest hug a father

and gave me the biggest hug a father

and gave me the biggest hug a father could ever receive then he patted me on

could ever receive then he patted me on

could ever receive then he patted me on the back and that was a rebirth of a

the back and that was a rebirth of a

the back and that was a rebirth of a nation so again I must ask you are you

nation so again I must ask you are you

nation so again I must ask you are you in or are you out because there is no

in or are you out because there is no

in or are you out because there is no in-between

in-between

in-between the day didn’t stop there the principal

the day didn’t stop there the principal

the day didn’t stop there the principal went back well now I’m finishing the

went back well now I’m finishing the

went back well now I’m finishing the interview I have a little divine with me

interview I have a little divine with me

interview I have a little divine with me he goes back to my daughter’s

he goes back to my daughter’s

he goes back to my daughter’s kindergarten class they ant you come

kindergarten class they ant you come

kindergarten class they ant you come with me okay she comes in you know this

with me okay she comes in you know this

with me okay she comes in you know this guy here that’s my dad and you can hear

guy here that’s my dad and you can hear

guy here that’s my dad and you can hear it I can still hear the clicking of her

it I can still hear the clicking of her

it I can still hear the clicking of her barrettes running over to me jumping in

barrettes running over to me jumping in

barrettes running over to me jumping in my arms we leave joseph Pennell

my arms we leave joseph Pennell

my arms we leave joseph Pennell elementary school our next stop is

elementary school our next stop is

elementary school our next stop is Southwest Leadership Academy Charter

Southwest Leadership Academy Charter

Southwest Leadership Academy Charter School my daughter we do head at the

School my daughter we do head at the

School my daughter we do head at the time just turned 12 years old September

time just turned 12 years old September

time just turned 12 years old September 10 2014

10 2014

10 2014 unfortunately due to the vast publicity

unfortunately due to the vast publicity

unfortunately due to the vast publicity we couldn’t do what we did at peddle

we couldn’t do what we did at peddle

we couldn’t do what we did at peddle inside the school so we had to go to her

inside the school so we had to go to her

inside the school so we had to go to her home and wait for her to get home my

home and wait for her to get home my

home and wait for her to get home my brother her uncle calls her IG day why

brother her uncle calls her IG day why

brother her uncle calls her IG day why are you I’m trying to give you your

are you I’m trying to give you your

are you I’m trying to give you your birthday gift okay I’m coming straight

birthday gift okay I’m coming straight

birthday gift okay I’m coming straight home from school now Junaid comes

home from school now Junaid comes

home from school now Junaid comes walking up my brother gets out hugs her

walking up my brother gets out hugs her

walking up my brother gets out hugs her cruise all around filming she’s trying

cruise all around filming she’s trying

cruise all around filming she’s trying to figure out what’s going on he said

to figure out what’s going on he said

to figure out what’s going on he said I’m not going to carry I need just get

I’m not going to carry I need just get

I’m not going to carry I need just get it out the back seat we going in the

it out the back seat we going in the

it out the back seat we going in the house so she prances over to the back

house so she prances over to the back

house so she prances over to the back seat

seat

seat she opened the back door and she

she opened the back door and she

she opened the back door and she screamed she jumped in my arms as if she

screamed she jumped in my arms as if she

screamed she jumped in my arms as if she was still my two year old baby that had

was still my two year old baby that had

was still my two year old baby that had left over ten years ago now I want to

left over ten years ago now I want to

left over ten years ago now I want to fast-forward 26 months later

fast-forward 26 months later

fast-forward 26 months later I’ve been home now for two years and two

I’ve been home now for two years and two

I’ve been home now for two years and two months later all three children are on

months later all three children are on

months later all three children are on the honor roll

that same young man that the system was

that same young man that the system was ready to write off and throw away and

ready to write off and throw away and

ready to write off and throw away and said that he needed medication and he

said that he needed medication and he

said that he needed medication and he had behavioral problems and he needed to

had behavioral problems and he needed to

had behavioral problems and he needed to be sent away he needed his father

our children didn’t acts to be here our

our children didn’t acts to be here our children need their fathers I’m no

children need their fathers I’m no

children need their fathers I’m no different from nobody sitting in this

different from nobody sitting in this

different from nobody sitting in this section over here

section over here

section over here somebody told myself and our brother

somebody told myself and our brother

somebody told myself and our brother Ricky Duncan that we were guests we can

Ricky Duncan that we were guests we can

Ricky Duncan that we were guests we can get with the people in front of the line

get with the people in front of the line

get with the people in front of the line never I am you

never I am you

never I am you I represent the men inside I represent

I represent the men inside I represent

I represent the men inside I represent to them that we can do it it can be done

even if it’s just one person it can

even if it’s just one person it can happen it can be done so then you would

happen it can be done so then you would

happen it can be done so then you would say well what are you doing now I’m a

say well what are you doing now I’m a

say well what are you doing now I’m a full-time program coordinator for the

full-time program coordinator for the

full-time program coordinator for the city of Philadelphia mural arts

city of Philadelphia mural arts

city of Philadelphia mural arts restorative justice program I work with

restorative justice program I work with

restorative justice program I work with young men and women in between the ages

young men and women in between the ages

young men and women in between the ages of 18 and 24 that’s on high-risk

of 18 and 24 that’s on high-risk

of 18 and 24 that’s on high-risk probation that’s going through the same

probation that’s going through the same

probation that’s going through the same repetitive system the effects of a

repetitive system the effects of a

repetitive system the effects of a fatherless household who better to teach

fatherless household who better to teach

fatherless household who better to teach them than you our children deserve

them than you our children deserve

them than you our children deserve having their fathers in their lives they

having their fathers in their lives they

having their fathers in their lives they deserve men returning home from

deserve men returning home from

deserve men returning home from incarceration men with a renewed mind

incarceration men with a renewed mind

incarceration men with a renewed mind they deserve to have their fathers my

they deserve to have their fathers my

they deserve to have their fathers my son asked me Dad can you come out and

son asked me Dad can you come out and

son asked me Dad can you come out and when we need a steady quarterback son um

when we need a steady quarterback son um

when we need a steady quarterback son um I’m tired man I got to go to work it’s

I’m tired man I got to go to work it’s

I’m tired man I got to go to work it’s cold out there then I thought this man

cold out there then I thought this man

cold out there then I thought this man waited all his life to play catch with

waited all his life to play catch with

waited all his life to play catch with his father and you tired you slept at

his father and you tired you slept at

his father and you tired you slept at Graterford

my daughter dad we don’t have nobody to

my daughter dad we don’t have nobody to turn rope with us I’m six foot four two

turn rope with us I’m six foot four two

turn rope with us I’m six foot four two hundred and something pounds but I owe

hundred and something pounds but I owe

hundred and something pounds but I owe it to him I can’t leave them our

it to him I can’t leave them our

it to him I can’t leave them our children are dependent on us so I’m

children are dependent on us so I’m

children are dependent on us so I’m going to ask you one final time one

going to ask you one final time one

going to ask you one final time one final time are you in or are you out

final time are you in or are you out

final time are you in or are you out because me I’m out

because me I’m out

because me I’m out [Applause]

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