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Hablemos de la muerte | Ignacio Torre | TEDxPaseoAlameda


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ladies and gentlemen thank you for being today

I have come to tell you that all of you

they are going to die peacefully no and not now

I have not put a bomb but in reality

what I want to say is that all

us at some point of our

lives we are going to die

and this that seems so obvious so

logical so obvious

you will tell me nacho this and what

we know it’s not really so logical

not so obvious and as much as we know

many of us choose not to talk about

this topic I think most of the

people choose to avoid talking about this

theme I mean death is a

question of bad publicity to see

probably many of you in this

they are thinking today that they fear the

death just after so many talks

motivators so beautiful and is that

it really costs us to talk about death

it costs us for several reasons in general

because it evokes situations of loss

situations that departure of some being

beloved or diseases is a subject that

we avoid touching death is one of the

great taboos of our times in

our side of the world

talk about death generates suffering

that’s what we’re convinced but

paradoxically today I am here to

tell them just the opposite that

I think we talk about death in the form

timely timely and appropriate

far from making us suffer is not going to

help relieve suffering to the

time to face death to our

life of a loved one

two houses

before this I want to tell you a

history the story of one of my

francisco patients and their family to

who accompany

about three years ago

francisco lived in tussam his family

still lived 80 kilometers from the

city ​​of mendoza a very person

dear in your community

his family also filled with full friends

of people that what I appreciated

a very active person a family

numerous where he had killed his wife

they were their teenage grandchildren and

more children younger than they were always

around francisco I had cancer

prostate cancer

believe me if there is one more word

difficult to pronounce for patients

and also for doctors even more

difficult that the word death is the

word cancer because death

many times we relate it to the end

but cancer

many times is the principle the

principle of pain the principle of

agony the beginning of the loss

the beginning of the francisco suffering

I had chosen not to name the word

cancer and his family I decided

therefore respect this decision

we talk about francisco’s disease

the problem of francisco the prostate of

francisco accompany us for four

approximately months

first as a doctor then as a doctor and

friend in these four months we went

working together some of the tasks

of the doctors that we care

palliatives have to do on the one hand

with control of the symptoms that go

appearing along those of the

diseases pain shortness of breath

Nausea discomfort

on the other hand very important almost so

important as the first one is the

accompaniment from the spiritual from

the emotional from the social and also

we are working with the patient and the

family to prepare for what is

comes

believe me I’m honest with this the

work in this case the control of

symptoms was

about its progress was quite simple

but talk about such transcendent topics

how the game was a bit more difficult

throughout four months francisco was

losing functionality of being a

active person began to be more

confined first to his house then to his

room but he never stopped being alone

his family always around and the

friends that he used to visit he came to

see the house there were times that

go to his house that was not surrounded

of people

There are times during the

life threatening diseases

where symptoms appear that doctors

make us suspect or suppose that the end

the end of the process is near

we can not say with certainty when a

person to start but we can assume

that time is limited from a

point in one of the last visits

francisco presented one of these symptoms

what we call delirium

this is started aggressively

disorientation some hallucinations

this generates a lot of anguish in the

obviously and in his family that saw him and

he did not recognize his relative in those

attitudes

on that visit I had to take some

determinations some decisions

important

the first was to medicate it to relieve

symptom and while we wait for it to do

effect of the medication

let’s take a second decision between

we all load it to francisco in the

wheelchair and we take them to your

place in the world your patio place where

he was happy everything was in his

plants his animals was with

your friends to take medium mate to the

pineapples we could climb to the chair

wheels and we carry them while only

He is walking with the wheelchair as a

third and a third decision maybe

the most transcendent fundamental issue

I decided it was time to name

things because if we did not do it in

that moment probably not what

we could do later and before the

Your family’s question about whether

francisco was serious

the answer was yes

francisco is serious francisco

It is starting the process from

wait for another reaction after four

months of working with his family and with

he

I really expected so much from May a

She cries but then were not however

there was silence and accompanying that silence

a very large voltage very similar to the

that it becomes clear that we have in this

moment I took a third determination

the founding fathers of psychology and

they lit up at that time and they told me

nacho say is that they bring dishes from the

kitchen

this is not guaranteed by any

psychological society an invention of mine not

It’s still patented but I asked you to

they brought dishes and the girls the daughters

de francisco with the same look

distrust that I see very now

decided to humor him were

and they looked for plates a dish for each one

a dish for his wife pleasing to me and

the slogan was to break that plate with

all the force with all the anger with

all the sadness burst what against the

wall to sell it against the floor

one of his daughters as the first dish and

half doubting the robe I look at him burst it

against the floor and at that time he could not

contain the crying could not contain the

crying and all that energy all that

sadness accumulated by what was

going through what we knew what was

happening but we could not name in

these last four months started to

break free and seeing this his sister took

the plate and it burst it against the wall and

his mother later and I after the four

sections and all that was released and in that

moment while the four sections and we

we looked and we really felt

united in tears

the four cents the same voice that

He came down and told us to stop

break the crockery

it was francisco that was there and in s

at that time both saints began to

escape the smiles

It was a moment terribly reason

they joined the crying with laughter and a

terribly painful situation that

we had just named he could live

with another with another climate

a few days later francisco departed

at home with his family with his friends

in his bed accompanied and he did not stop being

a sad moment did not stop being a

sad moment but lived with a peace

totally different in that room

breathed tranquility breathes peace in

the medium of pain by missing a

person who was leaving at that time

they also escaped some smiles

we had managed to name what

it was happening it was maybe a little late

but it was not late enough

to relieve the suffering at the moment

to leave

there are some things that we should not name

that’s what they teach us they teach us of

guys that do not talk about death

if we talk about death we bring it three

things you could not talk in my house

when I was a death boy because

We brought it with diseases because

They gave bad luck and what they did admit

Juan in the background with the neighbor another taboo

we ‘re not going we ‘re not going to touch today

today happily married and we grow with

this belief not of death is not

talk about death is not talked about because

we will suffer if we do it because what

let’s bring some things happen when

one talks about a topic specifically with

death

The first thing that happens is that we started

ignore it

total if I do not see it does not exist and at

ignore it we start to believe that

We never will never touch we go to

die

we started to believe the immortals and a

a person who thinks he is immortal does not think

that something may happen to him in the future and

we stop doing things that never

it’s going to happen nothing we are ‘we are we

handsome young people will never happen to us

nothing do not say hello to my children this morning

good greet him the afternoon when I arrived

I do not know the good machu picchu

summer that comes travel I did not tell him what

I loved

well then later and we do not own

of the future we do not know when it will be

that later and if you go to either

we plan

I ask you any of

you have thought how you want it to be

your wake up your hand some

some raise their hands well with music

with music is what in care

palliatives we call wills

anticipated to be clear about what we want

for when we are not or not

We can make our own decisions and

someone communicate them to the

can take for us even though it

fulfill our will

unfortunately this is not what happens

usually because of this I tell you

that we are increasingly afraid of

throughout our lives to talk about

these issues and you will tell me

nacho it is difficult to talk about death

truth that is a subject that is not something

cute and not the truth that is not easy not

It is easy

we can not talk about something else

we can talk about something else

in a little while let’s talk about something else

let me tell you something something before the

death

we are prepared , it takes us by surprise

and it hits us like a cachetón in the face

when I was a boy I lived in my house

grandfather in luján luján whose 20

kilometers from the city of mendoza

it was my place of security my strength

place a safe house lived with me

grandpa with my parents with my uncles all

I took care of the place where nothing could

spend a night I woke up because of a noise

very strong in the kitchen and the first thing that

I thought a thief got my bubble

security of the place of trust had

been violated I was not sure in that

place that protected me

I felt helpless I obviously did what

anyone with two fingers

in front of anyone with logic

I had done at that time any

seven year old child or any adult

Luis made

I grabbed the goal sheet to be up

I started to cry and pray to all

saints so that the situation will

will magically solve but not the

As time passed, I felt the

steps closer and closer

the thief was approaching me

I came down from the savannah and felt his steps

I felt helpless and I stopped when

I felt that the thief was inside of me

piece and his steps were there next to

my bed

I decided I was not going to breathe because if

he did, he could find me and stop

breathe for a while

the thief was actually a jumping cat

to my bed and the fright that hit me until

today melo terrible agreement that

in peace, rest the cat

but notice how beautiful analogy

death comes to us like a thief

In the middle of the night

we do not know when it will arrive but

when it does if we are not prepared

break our security bubble and

this that we have been growing that never

it was going to happen to us all at once and not

with lan with death our only

that to get to everyone and can not be

also with the death of some

wanted or with the potential death of a

to be loved

if he catches us by surprise he grabs us

half of the night and we’re not

prepared and we are paralyzed we do not know

what to do

we really do not know what to do

was this situation does not know that no

we know where to run what we do

we run furniture we go to the living room

wake

he is still alive is there and not

we know what to do

we even stop breathing we feel

suffocated by the situation

that’s why I think this can be prevented

if you say to me again nacho like

how can we do to talk about

this topic is not so simple let’s talk

another good thing let’s talk about something else

imagine the following example floor

marta, do not you think it’s about time

let’s tell the baby that Santa Claus and the

Kings

we are today alfredo do not you think that

we were going to suffer let’s break the

delusion

Marta is suspected them is

asking questions something we have to

say today alfredo please stand

one year plus one year more I do not want to break

the illusion I do not want Marta to suffer

He is 27 years old

with things as pretty as you are

illusions and fantasies that we created for

our children and mule in his world

imagination as there are nine reds the

Perez mouse with these beautiful things

it costs us so much to face the truth

the time to do it

The more it will cost us to talk about

death a transcendental subject not

it’s easy is not easy and I can not

teach them in 18 minutes

how to do it but I can assure you

what to do to alleviate suffering

at the time of facing it

Believe me that’s how much it costs us

talk about this topic really how much we

it costs how to do it

I can not tell you but I do have to

invite them to do it where with their

friends in your work with your family not

stop doing it do not stop doing it

how do I do it

a party a party arrived I introduce myself

the great pleasure nacho if as we think

that is your wake today the soul of the

party I surround myself with people at the beginning

it costs but when we manage to naturalize

this topic becomes much simpler than

it’s a lot less painful

Believe me less than two months ago he died

my dad

roberto grandfather tell my

daughters and talking to my oldest daughter

Olivia five years about death

of the grandfather I asked him

coli that we believe is death and is

factly he told me Dad

death when the body gets out of

inside the ghost

notice what clarity not what image so

very influenced by the drawings

obviously, but what image

so clear and what the guys say

of death the boys do not underestimate

the ability of children to understand

these issues suitable to your development

natural to his psychological development

natural

these issues can be touched with the

guys the biggest concern

Libya was that his grandfather became

in zombie

once this topic is clarified we can

keep talking

Bolivia decided that the best place to

grandfather roberto was in the memory

because there in memories was where

I could only go to visit how many times

would like and so those memories do not

distorted we decided to make a

memories notebook where it will be drawn

to grandfather as many times as he wanted and

we could have a clear picture of

the boys have a special capacity

To understand this, do not underestimate it.

I can tell you that it is a task

simple but yes that is necessary

we relate death as if it were what

opposite of life water fire

day / night life or death really me

I believe that death is not the opposite of

life

I believe that death is the lack of

love love love without death

notice what a clear concept so

important when a person leaves

it goes really really goes with us and

we remember and still love

that’s why I tell you enjoy not to stop

to call

thank you very much for being

to

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