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How Fragile is the Glass Ceiling? | Rivka Carmi | TEDxBGU


I did it with you the daughter could

I did it with you the daughter could study anything either humanities or

study anything either humanities or

study anything either humanities or Sciences but I advised her to take

Sciences but I advised her to take

Sciences but I advised her to take humanities since it will be much easier

humanities since it will be much easier

humanities since it will be much easier on her

on her

on her so say my high school teacher is my

so say my high school teacher is my

so say my high school teacher is my mother in front of me easier that was

mother in front of me easier that was

mother in front of me easier that was exactly what I had to hear in order to

exactly what I had to hear in order to

exactly what I had to hear in order to decide right there and then that I will

decide right there and then that I will

decide right there and then that I will take sciences the science class was

take sciences the science class was

take sciences the science class was small only 22 students whom just told

small only 22 students whom just told

small only 22 students whom just told them were girls

them were girls

them were girls Maithili her mother was a chemistry

Maithili her mother was a chemistry

Maithili her mother was a chemistry teacher and myself the daughter of our

teacher and myself the daughter of our

teacher and myself the daughter of our social worker well with the only two

social worker well with the only two

social worker well with the only two girls that could have taken sciences not

girls that could have taken sciences not

girls that could have taken sciences not at all but other girls didn’t have a

at all but other girls didn’t have a

at all but other girls didn’t have a role model like Margaret’s mother and

role model like Margaret’s mother and

role model like Margaret’s mother and they certainly didn’t have my rebellious

they certainly didn’t have my rebellious

they certainly didn’t have my rebellious adventures genes at 14 I was already

adventures genes at 14 I was already

adventures genes at 14 I was already sure that I will be a genetic researcher

sure that I will be a genetic researcher

sure that I will be a genetic researcher I was really fascinated by the human

I was really fascinated by the human

I was really fascinated by the human cell and especially during cell division

cell and especially during cell division

cell and especially during cell division were pairs of chromosome exchange parts

were pairs of chromosome exchange parts

were pairs of chromosome exchange parts with each other in order to sew Sade my

with each other in order to sew Sade my

with each other in order to sew Sade my biology teacher increased variability in

biology teacher increased variability in

biology teacher increased variability in the world I was determined to find the

the world I was determined to find the

the world I was determined to find the secret behind this really really amazing

secret behind this really really amazing

secret behind this really really amazing explanation at the end of my biology

explanation at the end of my biology

explanation at the end of my biology studies at the University the first year

studies at the University the first year

studies at the University the first year I decided to switch into medicine my

I decided to switch into medicine my

I decided to switch into medicine my mother was at all not happy she

mother was at all not happy she

mother was at all not happy she maintained that medicine is a very tough

maintained that medicine is a very tough

maintained that medicine is a very tough profession on a woman raising a family

profession on a woman raising a family

profession on a woman raising a family and that biology teacher gets

and that biology teacher gets

and that biology teacher gets applications that really caters to the

applications that really caters to the

applications that really caters to the needs of mothers hearing here I knew

needs of mothers hearing here I knew

needs of mothers hearing here I knew that I have made the right decision

that I have made the right decision

that I have made the right decision still how many young women makes their

still how many young women makes their

still how many young women makes their career choices based on society’s

career choices based on society’s

career choices based on society’s expectation with our based on the

expectation with our based on the

expectation with our based on the presidents that they have to cater to

presidents that they have to cater to

presidents that they have to cater to their quota quote natural wall is wives

their quota quote natural wall is wives

their quota quote natural wall is wives and mothers I didn’t realize it I was a

and mothers I didn’t realize it I was a

and mothers I didn’t realize it I was a feminist in fact at the time I even

feminist in fact at the time I even

feminist in fact at the time I even didn’t know what feminism was all about

didn’t know what feminism was all about

didn’t know what feminism was all about I was making my own choices I did what

I was making my own choices I did what

I was making my own choices I did what was good for me I was very much engaged

was good for me I was very much engaged

was good for me I was very much engaged in clinical research in studying in

in clinical research in studying in

in clinical research in studying in teaching in medical academics as well

teaching in medical academics as well

teaching in medical academics as well but then when I was a pediatric resident

but then when I was a pediatric resident

but then when I was a pediatric resident I first recognized gender discrimination

I first recognized gender discrimination

I first recognized gender discrimination a colleague more than ten years older

a colleague more than ten years older

a colleague more than ten years older than I was shared with me her

than I was shared with me her

than I was shared with me her frustration over not being promoted to a

frustration over not being promoted to a

frustration over not being promoted to a professor but at the same time much

professor but at the same time much

professor but at the same time much younger and less academically

younger and less academically

younger and less academically accomplished male has made it very

accomplished male has made it very

accomplished male has made it very easily to professorship she was denied

easily to professorship she was denied

easily to professorship she was denied again and again based on the excuse that

again and again based on the excuse that

again and again based on the excuse that her CV was not ripe yet for promoting to

her CV was not ripe yet for promoting to

her CV was not ripe yet for promoting to associate professor I’ll tell you I was

associate professor I’ll tell you I was

associate professor I’ll tell you I was furious I called the chairman of the

furious I called the chairman of the

furious I called the chairman of the promotion committee of the Medical

promotion committee of the Medical

promotion committee of the Medical School and I asked for a meeting and I

School and I asked for a meeting and I

School and I asked for a meeting and I showed him there him CV because

showed him there him CV because

showed him there him CV because previously I will noticed that it wasn’t

previously I will noticed that it wasn’t

previously I will noticed that it wasn’t really ready and ripe for associate

really ready and ripe for associate

really ready and ripe for associate professor it was in fact ripe for a full

professor it was in fact ripe for a full

professor it was in fact ripe for a full professorship so I have sold him the CV

professorship so I have sold him the CV

professorship so I have sold him the CV he glanced at it and he said well I’ll

he glanced at it and he said well I’ll

he glanced at it and he said well I’ll take care of it but nothing happened so

take care of it but nothing happened so

take care of it but nothing happened so about a month later I called him again

about a month later I called him again

about a month later I called him again and I told him that this was gender

and I told him that this was gender

and I told him that this was gender discrimination and that I’m not going to

discrimination and that I’m not going to

discrimination and that I’m not going to let the issue go so what did he say to

let the issue go so what did he say to

let the issue go so what did he say to me he said if you are a very promising

me he said if you are a very promising

me he said if you are a very promising young faculty don’t let feminism ruin

young faculty don’t let feminism ruin

young faculty don’t let feminism ruin your career

your career

your career particular story actually had a very

particular story actually had a very

particular story actually had a very happy ending with my colleague being

happy ending with my colleague being

happy ending with my colleague being promoted to associate professor in

promoted to associate professor in

promoted to associate professor in record time and I was realizing that I

record time and I was realizing that I

record time and I was realizing that I was a feminist no I was the same person

was a feminist no I was the same person

was a feminist no I was the same person I was the same person striving for equal

I was the same person striving for equal

I was the same person striving for equal opportunities equal right like I did

opportunities equal right like I did

opportunities equal right like I did realize and understood that apparently

realize and understood that apparently

realize and understood that apparently when you are asking for those rights for

when you are asking for those rights for

when you are asking for those rights for half of humanities that are women you

half of humanities that are women you

half of humanities that are women you are a feminist well if being a feminist

are a feminist well if being a feminist

are a feminist well if being a feminist was acutely aware of the obstacles both

was acutely aware of the obstacles both

was acutely aware of the obstacles both physical and emotional that women are

physical and emotional that women are

physical and emotional that women are encountering during their career then

encountering during their career then

encountering during their career then yes indeed I became a patient as

yes indeed I became a patient as

yes indeed I became a patient as families not the one who burns bras but

families not the one who burns bras but

families not the one who burns bras but one that nevertheless is very much

one that nevertheless is very much

one that nevertheless is very much committed to the cause of equality in

committed to the cause of equality in

committed to the cause of equality in general and women equality wherever they

general and women equality wherever they

general and women equality wherever they are and especially in academia in

are and especially in academia in

are and especially in academia in medicine so I was a pediatrician a

medicine so I was a pediatrician a

medicine so I was a pediatrician a neonatologists

neonatologists

neonatologists a medical geneticist with a syndrome a

a medical geneticist with a syndrome a

a medical geneticist with a syndrome a genetic syndrome – her name obviously

genetic syndrome – her name obviously

genetic syndrome – her name obviously full professor but when I dare one for

full professor but when I dare one for

full professor but when I dare one for the deanship of the medical school

the deanship of the medical school

the deanship of the medical school against for male candidates I was first

against for male candidates I was first

against for male candidates I was first a woman whose spirits were too short so

a woman whose spirits were too short so

a woman whose spirits were too short so Sade one of the very senior professors

Sade one of the very senior professors

Sade one of the very senior professors hinting that I wasn’t fit for the job

hinting that I wasn’t fit for the job

hinting that I wasn’t fit for the job and believe it or not he said that I

and believe it or not he said that I

and believe it or not he said that I slept my way through the right beds in

slept my way through the right beds in

slept my way through the right beds in order to get to where I was and also

order to get to where I was and also

order to get to where I was and also some of them have heard this kind of

some of them have heard this kind of

some of them have heard this kind of thing about successful women well I’m

thing about successful women well I’m

thing about successful women well I’m ready to the deanship after a very

ready to the deanship after a very

ready to the deanship after a very furious campaign really very fierce with

furious campaign really very fierce with

furious campaign really very fierce with three male candidates only against the

three male candidates only against the

three male candidates only against the advice of a colleague I put women

advice of a colleague I put women

advice of a colleague I put women promotion on my ten item list for a

promotion on my ten item list for a

promotion on my ten item list for a revision document for this position

revision document for this position

revision document for this position because if you were a woman just make it

because if you were a woman just make it

because if you were a woman just make it to the top

to the top

to the top which would actually work your way very

which would actually work your way very

which would actually work your way very very meticulously to make sure that

very meticulously to make sure that

very meticulously to make sure that women get equal opportunities and that

women get equal opportunities and that

women get equal opportunities and that they encounter their obstacles and that

they encounter their obstacles and that

they encounter their obstacles and that they get the women friendly environment

they get the women friendly environment

they get the women friendly environment in order for them to thrive in order for

in order for them to thrive in order for

in order for them to thrive in order for them to bring out the whole potential

them to bring out the whole potential

them to bring out the whole potential you should provide those women and one

you should provide those women and one

you should provide those women and one model but you should also work very very

model but you should also work very very

model but you should also work very very hard and I promise you really hard in

hard and I promise you really hard in

hard and I promise you really hard in order to make sure that we are catering

order to make sure that we are catering

order to make sure that we are catering to those obstacles and to the needs they

to those obstacles and to the needs they

to those obstacles and to the needs they have and only this will enable them to

have and only this will enable them to

have and only this will enable them to really fulfill what they can really do

really fulfill what they can really do

really fulfill what they can really do and they can do a lot because this still

and they can do a lot because this still

and they can do a lot because this still cannot be taken for granted

cannot be taken for granted

cannot be taken for granted it is a male-dominated world and women

it is a male-dominated world and women

it is a male-dominated world and women that made it to the top should really

that made it to the top should really

that made it to the top should really take the leap and change the rules a

take the leap and change the rules a

take the leap and change the rules a year into my time as a university

year into my time as a university

year into my time as a university president I met with the chairman of the

president I met with the chairman of the

president I met with the chairman of the planning and budgeting committee of the

planning and budgeting committee of the

planning and budgeting committee of the Council of Higher Education I asked him

Council of Higher Education I asked him

Council of Higher Education I asked him to address the issue of the small

to address the issue of the small

to address the issue of the small percentage of women in the academia and

percentage of women in the academia and

percentage of women in the academia and especially in higher academic ranks in

especially in higher academic ranks in

especially in higher academic ranks in face by the way of their equal

face by the way of their equal

face by the way of their equal representations at the undergraduate and

representations at the undergraduate and

representations at the undergraduate and graduate student body it would mean

graduate student body it would mean

graduate student body it would mean asked me which God do you think that we

asked me which God do you think that we

asked me which God do you think that we have really dealt successfully with all

have really dealt successfully with all

have really dealt successfully with all the pressing issues of higher education

the pressing issues of higher education

the pressing issues of higher education in Israel I said no but this was

in Israel I said no but this was

in Israel I said no but this was certainly one of them I’ll tell you his

certainly one of them I’ll tell you his

certainly one of them I’ll tell you his smile was a mixture of empathy and pity

smile was a mixture of empathy and pity

smile was a mixture of empathy and pity as well so I waited I waited until it

as well so I waited I waited until it

as well so I waited I waited until it was my time to become the chairman of

was my time to become the chairman of

was my time to become the chairman of the committee of university presidents

the committee of university presidents

the committee of university presidents in Israel in that capacity I could no

in Israel in that capacity I could no

in Israel in that capacity I could no longer be ignored

longer be ignored

longer be ignored and the issue of women promotion

and the issue of women promotion

and the issue of women promotion academia was set as a long-term goal by

academia was set as a long-term goal by

academia was set as a long-term goal by the Council of higher education with

the Council of higher education with

the Council of higher education with various projects to be implemented with

various projects to be implemented with

various projects to be implemented with various goals to be

various goals to be

various goals to be and what is more important and very

and what is more important and very

and what is more important and very important in line on every University

important in line on every University

important in line on every University operating budget making this topic

operating budget making this topic

operating budget making this topic a legitimate one to address and act upon

a legitimate one to address and act upon

a legitimate one to address and act upon so with all that has been achieved in

so with all that has been achieved in

so with all that has been achieved in the world landing on the moon cracking

the world landing on the moon cracking

the world landing on the moon cracking the DNA code the computer the cell phone

the DNA code the computer the cell phone

the DNA code the computer the cell phone AR you name it

AR you name it

AR you name it women in equality still remained an

women in equality still remained an

women in equality still remained an unintentional reality it was calculated

unintentional reality it was calculated

unintentional reality it was calculated that it will take 38 years for gender

that it will take 38 years for gender

that it will take 38 years for gender equality in an evolutionary way you just

equality in an evolutionary way you just

equality in an evolutionary way you just wait and see and it will happen in 30

wait and see and it will happen in 30

wait and see and it will happen in 30 years can we allow the world to deprive

years can we allow the world to deprive

years can we allow the world to deprive itself from the contribution of women’s

itself from the contribution of women’s

itself from the contribution of women’s talents great talent to every field and

talents great talent to every field and

talents great talent to every field and aspect of life the answer by both women

aspect of life the answer by both women

aspect of life the answer by both women and men should be an unequivocal no by

and men should be an unequivocal no by

and men should be an unequivocal no by the burden and the responsibility of

the burden and the responsibility of

the burden and the responsibility of always maintaining this topic on the

always maintaining this topic on the

always maintaining this topic on the agenda is the sole responsibility of

agenda is the sole responsibility of

agenda is the sole responsibility of women who made it to rest oh thank

women who made it to rest oh thank

women who made it to rest oh thank [Applause]

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