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Cancer in a Box | Sam Sun | TEDxRiceU


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[Applause] every Monday morning and tumor board

every Monday morning and tumor board

every Monday morning and tumor board doctors who treat cancer get together at

doctors who treat cancer get together at

doctors who treat cancer get together at Baylor clinic to discuss difficult cases

Baylor clinic to discuss difficult cases

Baylor clinic to discuss difficult cases for one particular case a doctor said

for one particular case a doctor said

for one particular case a doctor said you can’t cure it if it doesn’t fit in

you can’t cure it if it doesn’t fit in

you can’t cure it if it doesn’t fit in the box he was referring to the use of

the box he was referring to the use of

the box he was referring to the use of focused radiation therapy in which

focused radiation therapy in which

focused radiation therapy in which higher energy x-rays are directed at a

higher energy x-rays are directed at a

higher energy x-rays are directed at a cancer the problem is if the cancer

cancer the problem is if the cancer

cancer the problem is if the cancer doesn’t fit in the box a box that you

doesn’t fit in the box a box that you

doesn’t fit in the box a box that you can cut out with a surgical scalpel or a

can cut out with a surgical scalpel or a

can cut out with a surgical scalpel or a box that you can destroy with radiation

box that you can destroy with radiation

box that you can destroy with radiation if the cancer spread outside of the box

if the cancer spread outside of the box

if the cancer spread outside of the box to other parts of the body or if it’s

to other parts of the body or if it’s

to other parts of the body or if it’s too close to important structures like

too close to important structures like

too close to important structures like the heart of the brainstem what do you

the heart of the brainstem what do you

the heart of the brainstem what do you do the goal is to cure everyone’s cancer

do the goal is to cure everyone’s cancer

do the goal is to cure everyone’s cancer not just those with cancer small enough

not just those with cancer small enough

not just those with cancer small enough to cut or to destroy with radiation in

to cut or to destroy with radiation in

to cut or to destroy with radiation in this talk I want to show you how to

this talk I want to show you how to

this talk I want to show you how to think of cancer in a box differently not

think of cancer in a box differently not

think of cancer in a box differently not as a box for radiation or surgery that’s

as a box for radiation or surgery that’s

as a box for radiation or surgery that’s too limiting instead I want you to think

too limiting instead I want you to think

too limiting instead I want you to think of cancer in a box as cancer in a

of cancer in a box as cancer in a

of cancer in a box as cancer in a computer by putting cancer in a computer

computer by putting cancer in a computer

computer by putting cancer in a computer I want to use the same computing power

I want to use the same computing power

I want to use the same computing power in your smartphone to treat cancer we do

in your smartphone to treat cancer we do

in your smartphone to treat cancer we do this by taking cancers putting them in a

this by taking cancers putting them in a

this by taking cancers putting them in a sophisticated meat grinder and analyzing

sophisticated meat grinder and analyzing

sophisticated meat grinder and analyzing the data that comes out we call this DNA

the data that comes out we call this DNA

the data that comes out we call this DNA sequencing I’ll show you that 50% of our

sequencing I’ll show you that 50% of our

sequencing I’ll show you that 50% of our progress in cancer medicine over the

progress in cancer medicine over the

progress in cancer medicine over the last 10 years is a result of sequencing

last 10 years is a result of sequencing

last 10 years is a result of sequencing that is digitizing cancers after the

that is digitizing cancers after the

that is digitizing cancers after the human genome project was completed in

human genome project was completed in

human genome project was completed in 2000 the cost of DNA sequencing dropped

2000 the cost of DNA sequencing dropped

2000 the cost of DNA sequencing dropped as quickly as Moore’s law which is

as quickly as Moore’s law which is

as quickly as Moore’s law which is responsible for bringing better and

responsible for bringing better and

responsible for bringing better and faster smartphones every two years in

faster smartphones every two years in

faster smartphones every two years in 2007 with the technical breakthrough

2007 with the technical breakthrough

2007 with the technical breakthrough called next-generation sequencing the

called next-generation sequencing the

called next-generation sequencing the cost of DNA sequencing dropped even

cost of DNA sequencing dropped even

cost of DNA sequencing dropped even faster than Moore’s law coincidentally

faster than Moore’s law coincidentally

faster than Moore’s law coincidentally 2007 is also the year that we started

2007 is also the year that we started

2007 is also the year that we started seeing this slide in the investor pitch

seeing this slide in the investor pitch

seeing this slide in the investor pitch decks of every Silicon Valley biotech

decks of every Silicon Valley biotech

decks of every Silicon Valley biotech startup answer researchers were quick to

startup answer researchers were quick to

startup answer researchers were quick to take advantage of this breakthrough by

take advantage of this breakthrough by

take advantage of this breakthrough by sequencing a patient’s cancer and a

sequencing a patient’s cancer and a

sequencing a patient’s cancer and a patient’s normal tissue you did too

patient’s normal tissue you did too

patient’s normal tissue you did too sequences or to books of about three

sequences or to books of about three

sequences or to books of about three billion letters each and I compared

billion letters each and I compared

billion letters each and I compared these two books we can pull out

these two books we can pull out

these two books we can pull out mutations specific to a patient’s cancer

mutations specific to a patient’s cancer

mutations specific to a patient’s cancer in 2008 cancer patients scientists did

in 2008 cancer patients scientists did

in 2008 cancer patients scientists did exactly this or a patient with leukemia

exactly this or a patient with leukemia

exactly this or a patient with leukemia and they sequenced the world’s first

and they sequenced the world’s first

and they sequenced the world’s first cancer genome 2013 over 3,000 cancer

cancer genome 2013 over 3,000 cancer

cancer genome 2013 over 3,000 cancer genomes have been sequenced through the

genomes have been sequenced through the

genomes have been sequenced through the Cancer Genome Atlas 2017 the Cancer

Cancer Genome Atlas 2017 the Cancer

Cancer Genome Atlas 2017 the Cancer Genome Atlas or TCGA was wrapping up at

Genome Atlas or TCGA was wrapping up at

Genome Atlas or TCGA was wrapping up at that time 11,000 patients have their

that time 11,000 patients have their

that time 11,000 patients have their cancer sequenced or presenting 33 cancer

cancer sequenced or presenting 33 cancer

cancer sequenced or presenting 33 cancer types all in all five hundred thousand

types all in all five hundred thousand

types all in all five hundred thousand DVDs have been produced it’s at least a

DVDs have been produced it’s at least a

DVDs have been produced it’s at least a few hours of Netflix content question is

few hours of Netflix content question is

few hours of Netflix content question is what do you do with all this data and

what do you do with all this data and

what do you do with all this data and the technological and computing

the technological and computing

the technological and computing pipelines for generating more at this

pipelines for generating more at this

pipelines for generating more at this data we are talking about cancer so the

data we are talking about cancer so the

data we are talking about cancer so the answer is that we use this data to save

answer is that we use this data to save

answer is that we use this data to save lives when I first started medical

lives when I first started medical

lives when I first started medical school this article Jeanette Campbell

school this article Jeanette Campbell

school this article Jeanette Campbell came out in the New York Times he

came out in the New York Times he

came out in the New York Times he described the story of Lukas Wortman who

described the story of Lukas Wortman who

described the story of Lukas Wortman who was a medical student just like me he

was a medical student just like me he

was a medical student just like me he wanted to be a hematologist oncologist

wanted to be a hematologist oncologist

wanted to be a hematologist oncologist or a doctor who treats cancers to the

or a doctor who treats cancers to the

or a doctor who treats cancers to the blood he himself was diagnosed with

blood he himself was diagnosed with

blood he himself was diagnosed with leukemia at age 25 initially he received

leukemia at age 25 initially he received

leukemia at age 25 initially he received chemotherapy and his the command went

chemotherapy and his the command went

chemotherapy and his the command went away but then it came back and after

away but then it came back and after

away but then it came back and after that his chances of surviving leukemia

that his chances of surviving leukemia

that his chances of surviving leukemia were under 5% so his doctors took an

were under 5% so his doctors took an

were under 5% so his doctors took an experimental approach it put his cancer

experimental approach it put his cancer

experimental approach it put his cancer in a box it put a needle in his bone

in a box it put a needle in his bone

in a box it put a needle in his bone marrow took out some of his leukemia put

marrow took out some of his leukemia put

marrow took out some of his leukemia put it into a meat grinder that at

it into a meat grinder that at

it into a meat grinder that at Washington University we call the genome

Washington University we call the genome

Washington University we call the genome Institute and analyzed the data that

Institute and analyzed the data that

Institute and analyzed the data that came out what they found was very

came out what they found was very

came out what they found was very similar to this in which every color

similar to this in which every color

similar to this in which every color represents a different strain or clone

represents a different strain or clone

represents a different strain or clone of leukemia with the different set of

of leukemia with the different set of

of leukemia with the different set of mutations unlike traditional tests

mutations unlike traditional tests

mutations unlike traditional tests sequencing captured the full complexity

sequencing captured the full complexity

sequencing captured the full complexity of leukemia a disease that isn’t static

of leukemia a disease that isn’t static

of leukemia a disease that isn’t static but balls with time and isn’t uniform

but balls with time and isn’t uniform

but balls with time and isn’t uniform pose if many layers or clothes and what

pose if many layers or clothes and what

pose if many layers or clothes and what sequencing found was that these leukemia

sequencing found was that these leukemia

sequencing found was that these leukemia clones shared an overactive gene thus

clones shared an overactive gene thus

clones shared an overactive gene thus overactive gene could be treated with a

overactive gene could be treated with a

overactive gene could be treated with a kidney cancer drug Luca started

kidney cancer drug Luca started

kidney cancer drug Luca started receiving this kidney cancer drug which

receiving this kidney cancer drug which

receiving this kidney cancer drug which he never would have received without DNA

he never would have received without DNA

he never would have received without DNA sequencing and his leukemia went away

sequencing and his leukemia went away

sequencing and his leukemia went away he’s now a professor at the medical

he’s now a professor at the medical

he’s now a professor at the medical school I attended and his ability to

school I attended and his ability to

school I attended and his ability to defy the odds and rid his body of

defy the odds and rid his body of

defy the odds and rid his body of leukemia was a direct result of

leukemia was a direct result of

leukemia was a direct result of sequencing so by putting cancer in a box

sequencing so by putting cancer in a box

sequencing so by putting cancer in a box by putting cancer in a computer we can

by putting cancer in a computer we can

by putting cancer in a computer we can search for better therapies to give our

search for better therapies to give our

search for better therapies to give our patients in the last few years

patients in the last few years

patients in the last few years sequencing has become so fundamental to

sequencing has become so fundamental to

sequencing has become so fundamental to cancer research in cancer medicine the

cancer research in cancer medicine the

cancer research in cancer medicine the top hospitals like MD Anderson and deep

top hospitals like MD Anderson and deep

top hospitals like MD Anderson and deep pocket institutions that you normally

pocket institutions that you normally

pocket institutions that you normally don’t associate with medicine like

don’t associate with medicine like

don’t associate with medicine like federal government and Google have been

federal government and Google have been

federal government and Google have been pouring billions of dollars into

pouring billions of dollars into

pouring billions of dollars into sequencing everyone’s cancers and now

sequencing everyone’s cancers and now

sequencing everyone’s cancers and now that we can sequence cancers and

that we can sequence cancers and

that we can sequence cancers and identify cancer mutations we’re having

identify cancer mutations we’re having

identify cancer mutations we’re having to invent new types of clinical trials

to invent new types of clinical trials

to invent new types of clinical trials instead of a clinical trial for patients

instead of a clinical trial for patients

instead of a clinical trial for patients with lung cancer we can run a trial or

with lung cancer we can run a trial or

with lung cancer we can run a trial or patients with lung cancer breast cancer

patients with lung cancer breast cancer

patients with lung cancer breast cancer colon cancer it doesn’t really matter

colon cancer it doesn’t really matter

colon cancer it doesn’t really matter what kind of cancer they have as long as

what kind of cancer they have as long as

what kind of cancer they have as long as their cancer it has a specific mutation

their cancer it has a specific mutation

their cancer it has a specific mutation they can receive a trial drug using this

they can receive a trial drug using this

they can receive a trial drug using this new type of trial design a basket trial

new type of trial design a basket trial

new type of trial design a basket trial so how has this new drug development

so how has this new drug development

so how has this new drug development strategy panned out increasingly we see

strategy panned out increasingly we see

strategy panned out increasingly we see results like this in which all the

results like this in which all the

results like this in which all the vertical bars beneath the horizontal

vertical bars beneath the horizontal

vertical bars beneath the horizontal line represent the cancer that shrink in

line represent the cancer that shrink in

line represent the cancer that shrink in response to an experimental drug all the

response to an experimental drug all the

response to an experimental drug all the different colors represent different

different colors represent different

different colors represent different types of cancer pancreatic cancer colon

types of cancer pancreatic cancer colon

types of cancer pancreatic cancer colon cancer and you can see that it doesn’t

cancer and you can see that it doesn’t

cancer and you can see that it doesn’t really matter where the cancer

really matter where the cancer

really matter where the cancer originated in the body as long as it has

originated in the body as long as it has

originated in the body as long as it has a specific mutation there’s a good

a specific mutation there’s a good

a specific mutation there’s a good chance this experimental drug will work

chance this experimental drug will work

chance this experimental drug will work or that patient this graph in particular

or that patient this graph in particular

or that patient this graph in particular represents cancers with microsatellite

represents cancers with microsatellite

represents cancers with microsatellite instability a class of mutations that

instability a class of mutations that

instability a class of mutations that renders the cancer susceptible to

renders the cancer susceptible to

renders the cancer susceptible to immunotherapy in 2017 the fda-approved

immunotherapy in 2017 the fda-approved

immunotherapy in 2017 the fda-approved immunotherapy for solid tumors with

immunotherapy for solid tumors with

immunotherapy for solid tumors with microsatellite instability the first

microsatellite instability the first

microsatellite instability the first example

example

example of a truck approval or a cancerous

of a truck approval or a cancerous

of a truck approval or a cancerous mutation not for where it originated the

mutation not for where it originated the

mutation not for where it originated the body at the end of medical school I had

body at the end of medical school I had

body at the end of medical school I had a classmate who wasn’t feeling very well

a classmate who wasn’t feeling very well

a classmate who wasn’t feeling very well he had a lot of reasons for not feeling

he had a lot of reasons for not feeling

he had a lot of reasons for not feeling very well he was on a surgery rotation

very well he was on a surgery rotation

very well he was on a surgery rotation so it’s what we talked it up to until

so it’s what we talked it up to until

so it’s what we talked it up to until you went to the doctor’s office and they

you went to the doctor’s office and they

you went to the doctor’s office and they found that he had a rare type of

found that he had a rare type of

found that he had a rare type of pancreatic cancer the same type of

pancreatic cancer the same type of

pancreatic cancer the same type of pancreatic cancer that Steve Jobs passed

pancreatic cancer that Steve Jobs passed

pancreatic cancer that Steve Jobs passed away from when they sequenced his tumor

away from when they sequenced his tumor

away from when they sequenced his tumor they found that his cancer had

they found that his cancer had

they found that his cancer had microsatellite instability and he

microsatellite instability and he

microsatellite instability and he received this immunotherapy if his

received this immunotherapy if his

received this immunotherapy if his facebook photos from his recent wedding

facebook photos from his recent wedding

facebook photos from his recent wedding are to be believed he’s doing quite well

are to be believed he’s doing quite well

are to be believed he’s doing quite well again the ability to defy the odds

again the ability to defy the odds

again the ability to defy the odds through sequencing to identify the best

through sequencing to identify the best

through sequencing to identify the best therapy for our patients one final

therapy for our patients one final

therapy for our patients one final example of putting cancer in a box

example of putting cancer in a box

example of putting cancer in a box starts as many stories started with

starts as many stories started with

starts as many stories started with someone getting pregnant pregnant mom

someone getting pregnant pregnant mom

someone getting pregnant pregnant mom she can look for how her baby is doing

she can look for how her baby is doing

she can look for how her baby is doing by getting a blood test when she gets a

by getting a blood test when she gets a

by getting a blood test when she gets a blood test how did the DNA and her blood

blood test how did the DNA and her blood

blood test how did the DNA and her blood comes from her and part of the DNA comes

comes from her and part of the DNA comes

comes from her and part of the DNA comes from a baby it’s actually a very common

from a baby it’s actually a very common

from a baby it’s actually a very common non-invasive prenatal testing I wouldn’t

non-invasive prenatal testing I wouldn’t

non-invasive prenatal testing I wouldn’t know that’s very common because I’ve

know that’s very common because I’ve

know that’s very common because I’ve never been pregnant hundreds of

never been pregnant hundreds of

never been pregnant hundreds of thousands of women get these blood tests

thousands of women get these blood tests

thousands of women get these blood tests every year and very rarely these tests

every year and very rarely these tests

every year and very rarely these tests identify cancer in a pregnant woman like

identify cancer in a pregnant woman like

identify cancer in a pregnant woman like babies when we have a cancer are the DNA

babies when we have a cancer are the DNA

babies when we have a cancer are the DNA and our blood comes from us and part of

and our blood comes from us and part of

and our blood comes from us and part of the DNA comes from the cancer we can

the DNA comes from the cancer we can

the DNA comes from the cancer we can look for these little pieces of DNA not

look for these little pieces of DNA not

look for these little pieces of DNA not just in pregnant women but in everyone

just in pregnant women but in everyone

just in pregnant women but in everyone again we take blood from a patient put

again we take blood from a patient put

again we take blood from a patient put it into a sophisticated juicer and

it into a sophisticated juicer and

it into a sophisticated juicer and analyze the date that comes out and by

analyze the date that comes out and by

analyze the date that comes out and by doing so we can find cancerous early

doing so we can find cancerous early

doing so we can find cancerous early monitor cancers in a non-invasive way

monitor cancers in a non-invasive way

monitor cancers in a non-invasive way and identify the best therapies for our

and identify the best therapies for our

and identify the best therapies for our cancer patients at the end of the day I

cancer patients at the end of the day I

cancer patients at the end of the day I agree with the doctor who said you can’t

agree with the doctor who said you can’t

agree with the doctor who said you can’t care it if it doesn’t

but I shouldn’t lend us as doctors or as

but I shouldn’t lend us as doctors or as patients if the cancer doesn’t fit in a

patients if the cancer doesn’t fit in a

patients if the cancer doesn’t fit in a traditional box a box in which you can

traditional box a box in which you can

traditional box a box in which you can only cure cancer its small if it’s

only cure cancer its small if it’s

only cure cancer its small if it’s early-stage then we can call cancer it’s

early-stage then we can call cancer it’s

early-stage then we can call cancer it’s in a different type of box by creating

in a different type of box by creating

in a different type of box by creating boxes by combining computing power with

boxes by combining computing power with

boxes by combining computing power with methods for probing and manipulating the

methods for probing and manipulating the

methods for probing and manipulating the rich biology within cancers we can

rich biology within cancers we can

rich biology within cancers we can create new tools to control this

create new tools to control this

create new tools to control this devastating disease

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