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Democratisation of the individual | Hirander Misra | TEDxPanchgani


today I’m going to talk about

today I’m going to talk about democratizing the individual I mean I’ve

democratizing the individual I mean I’ve

democratizing the individual I mean I’ve been in the space of exchanges for 22

been in the space of exchanges for 22

been in the space of exchanges for 22 years now

years now

years now and really seen a lot of change but but

and really seen a lot of change but but

and really seen a lot of change but but actually you know to learn from the past

actually you know to learn from the past

actually you know to learn from the past it can make you think about the future

it can make you think about the future

it can make you think about the future and as an economic history student and

and as an economic history student and

and as an economic history student and studying economics in the past I always

studying economics in the past I always

studying economics in the past I always look at the past because you can learn

look at the past because you can learn

look at the past because you can learn lessons as you go forward so let’s take

lessons as you go forward so let’s take

lessons as you go forward so let’s take a slight look back at kind of how

a slight look back at kind of how

a slight look back at kind of how financial markets evolved but actually

financial markets evolved but actually

financial markets evolved but actually what does it mean for you and I because

what does it mean for you and I because

what does it mean for you and I because it’s been a lot of change over the last

it’s been a lot of change over the last

it’s been a lot of change over the last decade and and now that’s accelerating

decade and and now that’s accelerating

decade and and now that’s accelerating as well so if we look at it I mean from

as well so if we look at it I mean from

as well so if we look at it I mean from prehistoric times

prehistoric times

prehistoric times barter has been in existence you know I

barter has been in existence you know I

barter has been in existence you know I had something someone else had something

had something someone else had something

had something someone else had something else we we exchanged it if you look at

else we we exchanged it if you look at

else we we exchanged it if you look at punch Connie it’s famous for

punch Connie it’s famous for

punch Connie it’s famous for strawberries someone else was producing

strawberries someone else was producing

strawberries someone else was producing milk

milk

milk there was no currency you’d exchange the

there was no currency you’d exchange the

there was no currency you’d exchange the milk for strawberries you’d have

milk for strawberries you’d have

milk for strawberries you’d have strawberries and cream everyone’s happy

strawberries and cream everyone’s happy

strawberries and cream everyone’s happy and then you know as we moved on I mean

and then you know as we moved on I mean

and then you know as we moved on I mean again up until about a few thousand

again up until about a few thousand

again up until about a few thousand years ago barter was in existence and

years ago barter was in existence and

years ago barter was in existence and there’s no real currency as we know it

there’s no real currency as we know it

there’s no real currency as we know it you know here is chickens for a loaf of

you know here is chickens for a loaf of

you know here is chickens for a loaf of a loaf of bread and then as we moved

a loaf of bread and then as we moved

a loaf of bread and then as we moved into the sixteenth century

into the sixteenth century

into the sixteenth century commodity traders started to exchange

commodity traders started to exchange

commodity traders started to exchange commodities that were precious and and

commodities that were precious and and

commodities that were precious and and this is the origins of The Scindia

this is the origins of The Scindia

this is the origins of The Scindia company and other things that kind of to

company and other things that kind of to

company and other things that kind of to our detriment ended up ended up here but

our detriment ended up ended up here but

our detriment ended up ended up here but they were exchanging precious

they were exchanging precious

they were exchanging precious commodities for gold silver other

commodities for gold silver other

commodities for gold silver other precious materials and then if we if we

precious materials and then if we if we

precious materials and then if we if we go beyond that the banking system as we

go beyond that the banking system as we

go beyond that the banking system as we know it started to evolve because before

know it started to evolve because before

know it started to evolve because before that gold was now used as a currency but

that gold was now used as a currency but

that gold was now used as a currency but then banks started to emerge and then

then banks started to emerge and then

then banks started to emerge and then you had paper that was being issued

you had paper that was being issued

you had paper that was being issued backed by gold and that paper could be

backed by gold and that paper could be

backed by gold and that paper could be exchanged

exchanged

exchanged or value but there was always a goal

or value but there was always a goal

or value but there was always a goal there I mean something that in 73 with

there I mean something that in 73 with

there I mean something that in 73 with some people the Bretton Woods Agreement

some people the Bretton Woods Agreement

some people the Bretton Woods Agreement went away and then currency was all

went away and then currency was all

went away and then currency was all about confidence after that and you know

about confidence after that and you know

about confidence after that and you know prior to that from the thirteen hundreds

prior to that from the thirteen hundreds

prior to that from the thirteen hundreds I mean you’ve had I mean money lending

I mean you’ve had I mean money lending

I mean you’ve had I mean money lending for a long time after bata but the

for a long time after bata but the

for a long time after bata but the Venetians were very famous in the 1300s

Venetians were very famous in the 1300s

Venetians were very famous in the 1300s I mean not only for trading but also

I mean not only for trading but also

I mean not only for trading but also also for money lending as well we much

also for money lending as well we much

also for money lending as well we much like them in today here I mean we’re

like them in today here I mean we’re

like them in today here I mean we’re looking at a number of areas when you

looking at a number of areas when you

looking at a number of areas when you look at gold but you’ve got money

look at gold but you’ve got money

look at gold but you’ve got money lenders everything from local

lenders everything from local

lenders everything from local moneylenders to larger firms you know

moneylenders to larger firms you know

moneylenders to larger firms you know you take your jewelry there but actually

you take your jewelry there but actually

you take your jewelry there but actually you’re you’re getting maybe fifty

you’re you’re getting maybe fifty

you’re you’re getting maybe fifty percent of its value in your pain twenty

percent of its value in your pain twenty

percent of its value in your pain twenty percent interest is it really fair so

percent interest is it really fair so

percent interest is it really fair so leading on from that then you know as we

leading on from that then you know as we

leading on from that then you know as we as we move so you know gold as a

as we move so you know gold as a

as we move so you know gold as a currency I mean this was in 2015 found

currency I mean this was in 2015 found

currency I mean this was in 2015 found in a temple here I mean there’s an East

in a temple here I mean there’s an East

in a temple here I mean there’s an East India Company coin there as well and

India Company coin there as well and

India Company coin there as well and then you know more distinct marketplaces

then you know more distinct marketplaces

then you know more distinct marketplaces came about for where buyers and sellers

came about for where buyers and sellers

came about for where buyers and sellers could could meet and then that evolved

could could meet and then that evolved

could could meet and then that evolved into more defined exchanges I mean this

into more defined exchanges I mean this

into more defined exchanges I mean this is the New York Stock Exchange floor

is the New York Stock Exchange floor

is the New York Stock Exchange floor where again you know from the 16th

where again you know from the 16th

where again you know from the 16th century people were trading that paper

century people were trading that paper

century people were trading that paper that may be companies it may be other

that may be companies it may be other

that may be companies it may be other forms of value I mean you know the

forms of value I mean you know the

forms of value I mean you know the Bombay Stock Exchange I mean it started

Bombay Stock Exchange I mean it started

Bombay Stock Exchange I mean it started in 1840 under a banyan tree and then the

in 1840 under a banyan tree and then the

in 1840 under a banyan tree and then the association was formed in 1875 and then

association was formed in 1875 and then

association was formed in 1875 and then then the exchange and this was all about

then the exchange and this was all about

then the exchange and this was all about everyone being in a closed space like

everyone being in a closed space like

everyone being in a closed space like this buying and selling and then we got

this buying and selling and then we got

this buying and selling and then we got more complex because trading

more complex because trading

more complex because trading computerized you know in London I was

computerized you know in London I was

computerized you know in London I was there I mean I started out my career and

there I mean I started out my career and

there I mean I started out my career and then you saw kind of order driven

then you saw kind of order driven

then you saw kind of order driven trading came in coming in which meant

trading came in coming in which meant

trading came in coming in which meant electronic systems you no longer really

electronic systems you no longer really

electronic systems you no longer really needed the stock exchange floor it went

needed the stock exchange floor it went

needed the stock exchange floor it went away and then all the buying and selling

away and then all the buying and selling

away and then all the buying and selling from 97 onwards was via computers so I

from 97 onwards was via computers so I

from 97 onwards was via computers so I mean that was interesting I mean lots of

mean that was interesting I mean lots of

mean that was interesting I mean lots of different types of traders came in but

different types of traders came in but

different types of traders came in but it meant that we as individuals were

it meant that we as individuals were

it meant that we as individuals were kind of no longer together interacting

kind of no longer together interacting

kind of no longer together interacting it was it was via a machine so we became

it was it was via a machine so we became

it was it was via a machine so we became more distant is this really the way

more distant is this really the way

more distant is this really the way things should be yeah I mean I’m not say

things should be yeah I mean I’m not say

things should be yeah I mean I’m not say there shouldn’t be technological

there shouldn’t be technological

there shouldn’t be technological innovation again coming from a economics

innovation again coming from a economics

innovation again coming from a economics economic history background I decided I

economic history background I decided I

economic history background I decided I realized actually the business people at

realized actually the business people at

realized actually the business people at the time didn’t know about technology

the time didn’t know about technology

the time didn’t know about technology and the technology people didn’t know

and the technology people didn’t know

and the technology people didn’t know about business you know after I’d

about business you know after I’d

about business you know after I’d graduated and started working for

graduated and started working for

graduated and started working for Reuters in in 96 I thought well actually

Reuters in in 96 I thought well actually

Reuters in in 96 I thought well actually if you know about Business and

if you know about Business and

if you know about Business and Technology that was going to give you a

Technology that was going to give you a

Technology that was going to give you a distinct advantage so I’m not saying

distinct advantage so I’m not saying

distinct advantage so I’m not saying don’t race technology everything we do

don’t race technology everything we do

don’t race technology everything we do is about technology but really in

is about technology but really in

is about technology but really in financial markets we saw that we just

financial markets we saw that we just

financial markets we saw that we just became too far removed from reality and

became too far removed from reality and

became too far removed from reality and even though I was at the core of that

even though I was at the core of that

even though I was at the core of that business I mean much like as he talked

business I mean much like as he talked

business I mean much like as he talked about mental health I kind of thought

about mental health I kind of thought

about mental health I kind of thought well is this the only is this the only

well is this the only is this the only

well is this the only is this the only way I mean there must be a different way

way I mean there must be a different way

way I mean there must be a different way of doing things even though you’re in

of doing things even though you’re in

of doing things even though you’re in the heart of something and you think

the heart of something and you think

the heart of something and you think well actually it’s you know you go with

well actually it’s you know you go with

well actually it’s you know you go with the flow you don’t necessarily think

the flow you don’t necessarily think

the flow you don’t necessarily think that you’re going to going to change

that you’re going to going to change

that you’re going to going to change that in any distinct form but actually

that in any distinct form but actually

that in any distinct form but actually then effectively 2010 2011 we had an

then effectively 2010 2011 we had an

then effectively 2010 2011 we had an exit from that business and I thought

exit from that business and I thought

exit from that business and I thought well really there must be a better way

well really there must be a better way

well really there must be a better way of doing things this thing was niggling

of doing things this thing was niggling

of doing things this thing was niggling with me and again when I started up G

with me and again when I started up G

with me and again when I started up G makes five years ago we thought well

makes five years ago we thought well

makes five years ago we thought well this is great you know develop markets

this is great you know develop markets

this is great you know develop markets have become very complex but actually

have become very complex but actually

have become very complex but actually you’ve got developing markets and and

you’ve got developing markets and and

you’ve got developing markets and and many of those are that revolt involved

many of those are that revolt involved

many of those are that revolt involved or developed and then and then you know

or developed and then and then you know

or developed and then and then you know what does that mean for individuals

what does that mean for individuals

what does that mean for individuals because you know the you know stock

because you know the you know stock

because you know the you know stock markets are great you know is it just

markets are great you know is it just

markets are great you know is it just for traders is it is it for brokers who

for traders is it is it for brokers who

for traders is it is it for brokers who is it for then we were fortunate you

is it for then we were fortunate you

is it for then we were fortunate you know again things happen by chance I

know again things happen by chance I

know again things happen by chance I mean I believe in fate I was at a

mean I believe in fate I was at a

mean I believe in fate I was at a conference and I met the CEO of

conference and I met the CEO of

conference and I met the CEO of agricultural commodities exchange in

agricultural commodities exchange in

agricultural commodities exchange in Malawi a guy called Christian Shack

Malawi a guy called Christian Shack

Malawi a guy called Christian Shack mullah from the ACE exchange we started

mullah from the ACE exchange we started

mullah from the ACE exchange we started talking in a hotel bar over a drink and

talking in a hotel bar over a drink and

talking in a hotel bar over a drink and then you know realize actually what he

then you know realize actually what he

then you know realize actually what he was doing was really really interesting

was doing was really really interesting

was doing was really really interesting and this problem that had been middling

and this problem that had been middling

and this problem that had been middling me for a while kind of came to bear you

me for a while kind of came to bear you

me for a while kind of came to bear you know is that Eureka moment because

know is that Eureka moment because

know is that Eureka moment because Christian was completely from opposite

Christian was completely from opposite

Christian was completely from opposite ends of the spectrum from me so even

ends of the spectrum from me so even

ends of the spectrum from me so even though he was running the exchange it

though he was running the exchange it

though he was running the exchange it was an exchange where

was an exchange where

was an exchange where lots of smallholder farmers were

lots of smallholder farmers were

lots of smallholder farmers were empowered to kind of produce and the

empowered to kind of produce and the

empowered to kind of produce and the these were very much individuals because

these were very much individuals because

these were very much individuals because Africa is a smallholder farmer economy

Africa is a smallholder farmer economy

Africa is a smallholder farmer economy in in terms of agriculture so again

in in terms of agriculture so again

in in terms of agriculture so again these farmers are on very very low

these farmers are on very very low

these farmers are on very very low incomes

incomes

incomes they’d produce any surplus they had

they’d produce any surplus they had

they’d produce any surplus they had they’d they they’d sell but what was

they’d they they’d sell but what was

they’d they they’d sell but what was happening was I’m even though the

happening was I’m even though the

happening was I’m even though the exchange was established about 95

exchange was established about 95

exchange was established about 95 percent of the business was middlemen

percent of the business was middlemen

percent of the business was middlemen you know much like we talked about those

you know much like we talked about those

you know much like we talked about those many moneylenders much right like we

many moneylenders much right like we

many moneylenders much right like we talked about you know brokers and banks

talked about you know brokers and banks

talked about you know brokers and banks evolving and those middlemen were paying

evolving and those middlemen were paying

evolving and those middlemen were paying them you know 10 cents on the dollar in

them you know 10 cents on the dollar in

them you know 10 cents on the dollar in terms of what they were producing and

terms of what they were producing and

terms of what they were producing and these people were so far removed they’d

these people were so far removed they’d

these people were so far removed they’d they maybe wouldn’t be able to get their

they maybe wouldn’t be able to get their

they maybe wouldn’t be able to get their produce to market they wouldn’t know how

produce to market they wouldn’t know how

produce to market they wouldn’t know how to get it to market and they just didn’t

to get it to market and they just didn’t

to get it to market and they just didn’t do the transaction so you know started

do the transaction so you know started

do the transaction so you know started to kind of think about this and you know

to kind of think about this and you know

to kind of think about this and you know subsequently you know Christine was

subsequently you know Christine was

subsequently you know Christine was talking about well I mean even by having

talking about well I mean even by having

talking about well I mean even by having the exchange middlemen were still there

the exchange middlemen were still there

the exchange middlemen were still there and and actually the farmers were still

and and actually the farmers were still

and and actually the farmers were still distant immediated from markets and they

distant immediated from markets and they

distant immediated from markets and they were protecting the supply chain and

were protecting the supply chain and

were protecting the supply chain and also then I started to look at that and

also then I started to look at that and

also then I started to look at that and what it meant for the financial system

what it meant for the financial system

what it meant for the financial system and it’s the same about you know he

and it’s the same about you know he

and it’s the same about you know he looks at credit you know again you’ve

looks at credit you know again you’ve

looks at credit you know again you’ve got jewelry why should he pay twenty

got jewelry why should he pay twenty

got jewelry why should he pay twenty percent interest and only get the value

percent interest and only get the value

percent interest and only get the value of 50 percent of your jewelry when you

of 50 percent of your jewelry when you

of 50 percent of your jewelry when you when you lend it you know that all the

when you lend it you know that all the

when you lend it you know that all the risk is on you you know it’s a

risk is on you you know it’s a

risk is on you you know it’s a no-brainer for the lender and I just

no-brainer for the lender and I just

no-brainer for the lender and I just thought that the whole system was too

thought that the whole system was too

thought that the whole system was too antiquated so you know again it got me

antiquated so you know again it got me

antiquated so you know again it got me thinking I went back away from this

thinking I went back away from this

thinking I went back away from this conference that was in Switzerland and

conference that was in Switzerland and

conference that was in Switzerland and now starts to think about well there

now starts to think about well there

now starts to think about well there must be better way of doing this so and

must be better way of doing this so and

must be better way of doing this so and how can technology help you know we’re

how can technology help you know we’re

how can technology help you know we’re at the opposite end of the spectrum

at the opposite end of the spectrum

at the opposite end of the spectrum we’ve seen the kind of financial crisis

we’ve seen the kind of financial crisis

we’ve seen the kind of financial crisis unfold and you know dealing with very

unfold and you know dealing with very

unfold and you know dealing with very high performance traders using

high performance traders using

high performance traders using algorithms and machines to trade you

algorithms and machines to trade you

algorithms and machines to trade you know how can we how can we help a market

know how can we how can we help a market

know how can we how can we help a market like Malawi how can we help they smolder

like Malawi how can we help they smolder

like Malawi how can we help they smolder farmers so they thought about this I

farmers so they thought about this I

farmers so they thought about this I said to them you know rang up Christine

said to them you know rang up Christine

said to them you know rang up Christine a few weeks later and they said this

a few weeks later and they said this

a few weeks later and they said this whiz I mean this conversation happened

whiz I mean this conversation happened

whiz I mean this conversation happened in at the beginning of 2015

in at the beginning of 2015

in at the beginning of 2015 said like Christian

said like Christian

said like Christian I don’t quite know what the answer is

I don’t quite know what the answer is

I don’t quite know what the answer is but you know you’re kind of grappling

but you know you’re kind of grappling

but you know you’re kind of grappling with have these farmers get access to

with have these farmers get access to

with have these farmers get access to market we run markets we have technology

market we run markets we have technology

market we run markets we have technology let’s start working on something

let’s start working on something

let’s start working on something together you know let’s talk about your

together you know let’s talk about your

together you know let’s talk about your ten years of knowledge struggles things

ten years of knowledge struggles things

ten years of knowledge struggles things that went well

that went well

that went well you know looking at the past things that

you know looking at the past things that

you know looking at the past things that went badly as well and let’s look at how

went badly as well and let’s look at how

went badly as well and let’s look at how we can create a better system for those

we can create a better system for those

we can create a better system for those for those farmers so what we then did

for those farmers so what we then did

for those farmers so what we then did was in it create create a platform in a

was in it create create a platform in a

was in it create create a platform in a most simple sense where farmers could

most simple sense where farmers could

most simple sense where farmers could all of a sudden now get prices on their

all of a sudden now get prices on their

all of a sudden now get prices on their on their mobile phones and actually I

on their mobile phones and actually I

on their mobile phones and actually I mean in many ways developing markets or

mean in many ways developing markets or

mean in many ways developing markets or Africa I mean we talk about leapfrogging

Africa I mean we talk about leapfrogging

Africa I mean we talk about leapfrogging but by not having legacy technology or

but by not having legacy technology or

but by not having legacy technology or desktop computing everything was

desktop computing everything was

desktop computing everything was increasingly being done by mobile I mean

increasingly being done by mobile I mean

increasingly being done by mobile I mean we saw and Pasir do that with Mobile’s

we saw and Pasir do that with Mobile’s

we saw and Pasir do that with Mobile’s and mobile money in Kenya but that great

and mobile money in Kenya but that great

and mobile money in Kenya but that great I mean electronics is great but there

I mean electronics is great but there

I mean electronics is great but there still needs to be a physical link to the

still needs to be a physical link to the

still needs to be a physical link to the end to the end producer because even if

end to the end producer because even if

end to the end producer because even if you’ve got mobile money how do you

you’ve got mobile money how do you

you’ve got mobile money how do you translate that I mean we use cards we

translate that I mean we use cards we

translate that I mean we use cards we use everything but but there still needs

use everything but but there still needs

use everything but but there still needs to be hard cash and pass it at it where

to be hard cash and pass it at it where

to be hard cash and pass it at it where they empowered the village village

they empowered the village village

they empowered the village village elders because there’s no post office

elders because there’s no post office

elders because there’s no post office network there were no ATMs where the

network there were no ATMs where the

network there were no ATMs where the village elders who were trusted could

village elders who were trusted could

village elders who were trusted could then have the money and then distribute

then have the money and then distribute

then have the money and then distribute that where there needed to be hard cash

that where there needed to be hard cash

that where there needed to be hard cash so we kind of took some of these lessons

so we kind of took some of these lessons

so we kind of took some of these lessons into Malawi but we also then started to

into Malawi but we also then started to

into Malawi but we also then started to work with the financial institutions

work with the financial institutions

work with the financial institutions because a lot of these farmers for next

because a lot of these farmers for next

because a lot of these farmers for next year’s production would be taking loans

year’s production would be taking loans

year’s production would be taking loans I mean there were huge loans but to them

I mean there were huge loans but to them

I mean there were huge loans but to them they were huge I mean there could be

they were huge I mean there could be

they were huge I mean there could be they averaged about $400 a farmer so

they averaged about $400 a farmer so

they averaged about $400 a farmer so what we what we did was we made the

what we what we did was we made the

what we what we did was we made the banks via an electronic platform compete

banks via an electronic platform compete

banks via an electronic platform compete for lending because even though they had

for lending because even though they had

for lending because even though they had security from the farmers they were

security from the farmers they were

security from the farmers they were lending at forty percent interest rates

lending at forty percent interest rates

lending at forty percent interest rates and actually 99% of the time those loans

and actually 99% of the time those loans

and actually 99% of the time those loans were being repaid back so you could

were being repaid back so you could

were being repaid back so you could argue that it was just priced very very

argue that it was just priced very very

argue that it was just priced very very incorrectly so by making it easier for

incorrectly so by making it easier for

incorrectly so by making it easier for the banks to lend and lowering the cost

the banks to lend and lowering the cost

the banks to lend and lowering the cost of lending but also the banks competing

of lending but also the banks competing

of lending but also the banks competing with each other locally and we enable

with each other locally and we enable

with each other locally and we enable the banks as well to kind of access the

the banks as well to kind of access the

the banks as well to kind of access the platform because many of those were very

platform because many of those were very

platform because many of those were very basic like Bank of Malawi all of a

basic like Bank of Malawi all of a

basic like Bank of Malawi all of a sudden they started to lend

sudden they started to lend

sudden they started to lend more cheaply the farmers had access they

more cheaply the farmers had access they

more cheaply the farmers had access they could get better prices we ran this

could get better prices we ran this

could get better prices we ran this pilot for 47 thousand farmers in 2016

pilot for 47 thousand farmers in 2016

pilot for 47 thousand farmers in 2016 and in one year their net income went up

and in one year their net income went up

and in one year their net income went up 31% and then and it would have been it

31% and then and it would have been it

31% and then and it would have been it would have been about five hundred

would have been about five hundred

would have been about five hundred thousand farmers if there was access to

thousand farmers if there was access to

thousand farmers if there was access to more capital more finance kind of more

more capital more finance kind of more

more capital more finance kind of more scale and that kind of got us thinking

scale and that kind of got us thinking

scale and that kind of got us thinking even more so we thought we looked at

even more so we thought we looked at

even more so we thought we looked at this and we thought well this problem is

this and we thought well this problem is

this and we thought well this problem is prevalent in many many markets I mean

prevalent in many many markets I mean

prevalent in many many markets I mean across sub-saharan Africa but also if

across sub-saharan Africa but also if

across sub-saharan Africa but also if you go into other other farming

you go into other other farming

you go into other other farming communities as well so we thought how do

communities as well so we thought how do

communities as well so we thought how do we really make this make this scale so

we really make this make this scale so

we really make this make this scale so now we kind of spin out of an initiative

now we kind of spin out of an initiative

now we kind of spin out of an initiative called fin Kumiko where actually

called fin Kumiko where actually

called fin Kumiko where actually increasingly now we thought about how do

increasingly now we thought about how do

increasingly now we thought about how do we make the balance between okay social

we make the balance between okay social

we make the balance between okay social impacts and I’m not a socialist you know

impacts and I’m not a socialist you know

impacts and I’m not a socialist you know I’m a free market economics kind of guy

I’m a free market economics kind of guy

I’m a free market economics kind of guy but how do we make the balance the

but how do we make the balance the

but how do we make the balance the balance between social impacts and

balance between social impacts and

balance between social impacts and Financial Inclusion many of those

Financial Inclusion many of those

Financial Inclusion many of those farmers were women they were they were

farmers were women they were they were

farmers were women they were they were empowered and many of them then started

empowered and many of them then started

empowered and many of them then started businesses because they became in my

businesses because they became in my

businesses because they became in my simple sense where farmers can get their

simple sense where farmers can get their

simple sense where farmers can get their produce to market the women started can

produce to market the women started can

produce to market the women started can a small transport companies where they

a small transport companies where they

a small transport companies where they could do that and they created other

could do that and they created other

could do that and they created other opportunity and businesses also

opportunity and businesses also

opportunity and businesses also children’s nutrition went up because all

children’s nutrition went up because all

children’s nutrition went up because all of a sudden incomes are up families

of a sudden incomes are up families

of a sudden incomes are up families could afford better food but all of a

could afford better food but all of a

could afford better food but all of a sudden with surplus income they started

sudden with surplus income they started

sudden with surplus income they started to invest in value-add so where they

to invest in value-add so where they

to invest in value-add so where they were producing tomatoes you could now

were producing tomatoes you could now

were producing tomatoes you could now produce tomato puree as an example

produce tomato puree as an example

produce tomato puree as an example because many farmers are doing it

because many farmers are doing it

because many farmers are doing it because they have to but they just don’t

because they have to but they just don’t

because they have to but they just don’t always want to be farmers they want some

always want to be farmers they want some

always want to be farmers they want some of them you know once we progressed him

of them you know once we progressed him

of them you know once we progressed him about the value chain and then as their

about the value chain and then as their

about the value chain and then as their incomes went up then things that you and

incomes went up then things that you and

incomes went up then things that you and I take for granted consumer items you

I take for granted consumer items you

I take for granted consumer items you know there’s demand for that they’re

know there’s demand for that they’re

know there’s demand for that they’re equally mortgages loans other things so

equally mortgages loans other things so

equally mortgages loans other things so it’s kind of created a massive impact

it’s kind of created a massive impact

it’s kind of created a massive impact mean we’ve liked something recently or

mean we’ve liked something recently or

mean we’ve liked something recently or potential for massive Inca impact

potential for massive Inca impact

potential for massive Inca impact because we’re really at the start of

because we’re really at the start of

because we’re really at the start of this and actually we’re trying to

this and actually we’re trying to

this and actually we’re trying to galvanize a range of organizations

galvanize a range of organizations

galvanize a range of organizations because many of these communities were

because many of these communities were

because many of these communities were relying on aid and you know mention the

relying on aid and you know mention the

relying on aid and you know mention the US aid pulling their age aid budget

US aid pulling their age aid budget

US aid pulling their age aid budget when the aid went away they thought well

when the aid went away they thought well

when the aid went away they thought well what do we do so you’ve got to make it

what do we do so you’ve got to make it

what do we do so you’ve got to make it sustainable and profitable we’re doing

sustainable and profitable we’re doing

sustainable and profitable we’re doing this in farming but what other

this in farming but what other

this in farming but what other communities can we kind of take this

communities can we kind of take this

communities can we kind of take this kind of social economic impact exchange

kind of social economic impact exchange

kind of social economic impact exchange idea to and then I was fortunate enough

idea to and then I was fortunate enough

idea to and then I was fortunate enough bumping into a guy here in Delhi who’s

bumping into a guy here in Delhi who’s

bumping into a guy here in Delhi who’s involved in the clean tech space and he

involved in the clean tech space and he

involved in the clean tech space and he was involved in the clean Ganga the sea

was involved in the clean Ganga the sea

was involved in the clean Ganga the sea Ganga initiative that Prime Minister

Ganga initiative that Prime Minister

Ganga initiative that Prime Minister Modi’s backing as well then all of a

Modi’s backing as well then all of a

Modi’s backing as well then all of a sudden you know in that market or and

sudden you know in that market or and

sudden you know in that market or and Swach Bharat we look to this and we

Swach Bharat we look to this and we

Swach Bharat we look to this and we thought I mean this was really

thought I mean this was really

thought I mean this was really interesting the comment at the start

interesting the comment at the start

interesting the comment at the start about punch Connie but realized you know

about punch Connie but realized you know

about punch Connie but realized you know there’s all these ragpickers and others

there’s all these ragpickers and others

there’s all these ragpickers and others that were underprivileged in society and

that were underprivileged in society and

that were underprivileged in society and there they were collecting waste they

there they were collecting waste they

there they were collecting waste they were selling it but again they were

were selling it but again they were

were selling it but again they were getting a fraction of me for the effort

getting a fraction of me for the effort

getting a fraction of me for the effort they were putting in and oil

they were putting in and oil

they were putting in and oil I mean they were getting what you know a

I mean they were getting what you know a

I mean they were getting what you know a few there on very very low incomes if

few there on very very low incomes if

few there on very very low incomes if you rupees a day just to do this this

you rupees a day just to do this this

you rupees a day just to do this this kind of job and so now we recently

kind of job and so now we recently

kind of job and so now we recently announced an initiative with a waste

announced an initiative with a waste

announced an initiative with a waste exchange where we’re going to create

exchange where we’re going to create

exchange where we’re going to create more transparent pricing around products

more transparent pricing around products

more transparent pricing around products everything from cow dung to organic

everything from cow dung to organic

everything from cow dung to organic waste initially so that those that are

waste initially so that those that are

waste initially so that those that are selling the waste and it could be

selling the waste and it could be

selling the waste and it could be smaller individuals to larger municipal

smaller individuals to larger municipal

smaller individuals to larger municipal corporations etc can extract the value

corporations etc can extract the value

corporations etc can extract the value from that well you doggy well what’s the

from that well you doggy well what’s the

from that well you doggy well what’s the value in waste and if we look at Cao Cao

value in waste and if we look at Cao Cao

value in waste and if we look at Cao Cao gang there’s gas that there are that

gang there’s gas that there are that

gang there’s gas that there are that there are those that want to buy that

there are those that want to buy that

there are those that want to buy that waste in large volumes because again

waste in large volumes because again

waste in large volumes because again they can produce gas and that produces

they can produce gas and that produces

they can produce gas and that produces clean energy and that takes us away from

clean energy and that takes us away from

clean energy and that takes us away from kind of fossil fuels so what so what

kind of fossil fuels so what so what

kind of fossil fuels so what so what does that mean you know if we if we if

does that mean you know if we if we if

does that mean you know if we if we if we look at this I mean we see mobile and

we look at this I mean we see mobile and

we look at this I mean we see mobile and then you know here’s a picture of kind

then you know here’s a picture of kind

then you know here’s a picture of kind of Malawi farmers now at the wall at the

of Malawi farmers now at the wall at the

of Malawi farmers now at the wall at the warehouse and it’s become very social as

warehouse and it’s become very social as

warehouse and it’s become very social as well around that so all of a sudden all

well around that so all of a sudden all

well around that so all of a sudden all right great they’ve got mobiles they’ve

right great they’ve got mobiles they’ve

right great they’ve got mobiles they’ve got they’ve got access by mobile but

got they’ve got access by mobile but

got they’ve got access by mobile but actually we’ve come back full circle to

actually we’ve come back full circle to

actually we’ve come back full circle to kind of physical meeting places as well

kind of physical meeting places as well

kind of physical meeting places as well I mean what I call kind of a fusion of

I mean what I call kind of a fusion of

I mean what I call kind of a fusion of the old world and the new and and again

the old world and the new and and again

the old world and the new and and again that just describes the kind of

that just describes the kind of

that just describes the kind of ecosystem but you know we’re in an era

ecosystem but you know we’re in an era

ecosystem but you know we’re in an era now where which I call in a democratized

now where which I call in a democratized

now where which I call in a democratized disruptive innovation or didi I mean if

disruptive innovation or didi I mean if

disruptive innovation or didi I mean if we if we look at this

we if we look at this

we if we look at this all right we’re an era of Facebook and

all right we’re an era of Facebook and

all right we’re an era of Facebook and and social media we’re all connected as

and social media we’re all connected as

and social media we’re all connected as as these communities that were

as these communities that were

as these communities that were previously unbanked or off net as we

previously unbanked or off net as we

previously unbanked or off net as we call it and now increasingly coming

call it and now increasingly coming

call it and now increasingly coming online you know in theory you know and

online you know in theory you know and

online you know in theory you know and and then now playing out in reality you

and then now playing out in reality you

and then now playing out in reality you know it will all be connected to

know it will all be connected to

know it will all be connected to everyone else so I mean how can we how

everyone else so I mean how can we how

everyone else so I mean how can we how can we use that as an opportunity I mean

can we use that as an opportunity I mean

can we use that as an opportunity I mean you know already it’s developing we’re

you know already it’s developing we’re

you know already it’s developing we’re all right intermediaries because the

all right intermediaries because the

all right intermediaries because the system has been so wrong of now it could

system has been so wrong of now it could

system has been so wrong of now it could have been superseded there’s a

have been superseded there’s a

have been superseded there’s a peer-to-peer lending where you and I

peer-to-peer lending where you and I

peer-to-peer lending where you and I could lend against each other and that

could lend against each other and that

could lend against each other and that scaling out and everyone would argue ok

scaling out and everyone would argue ok

scaling out and everyone would argue ok you know forty-seven thousand farmers in

you know forty-seven thousand farmers in

you know forty-seven thousand farmers in the grand scheme of things is it a lot

the grand scheme of things is it a lot

the grand scheme of things is it a lot but now actually that’s extending by

but now actually that’s extending by

but now actually that’s extending by multiple and there’s a network effect

multiple and there’s a network effect

multiple and there’s a network effect already now it’s really interesting it’s

already now it’s really interesting it’s

already now it’s really interesting it’s making the financial institutions

making the financial institutions

making the financial institutions rethink what they do because they’ve

rethink what they do because they’ve

rethink what they do because they’ve realized actually they many of them been

realized actually they many of them been

realized actually they many of them been taking us for a ride as fifty to two

taking us for a ride as fifty to two

taking us for a ride as fifty to two other company CEOs I mean one that’s

other company CEOs I mean one that’s

other company CEOs I mean one that’s running a banking segment and another

running a banking segment and another

running a banking segment and another one that’s in voice and and mobile data

one that’s in voice and and mobile data

one that’s in voice and and mobile data and both of them were very concerned I

and both of them were very concerned I

and both of them were very concerned I mean their companies are making huge

mean their companies are making huge

mean their companies are making huge amounts of money but actually they can

amounts of money but actually they can

amounts of money but actually they can see you know saying in three years from

see you know saying in three years from

see you know saying in three years from now in we’re seeing change at a rapid

now in we’re seeing change at a rapid

now in we’re seeing change at a rapid pace I mean what used to happen in one

pace I mean what used to happen in one

pace I mean what used to happen in one year is now happening in one month I

year is now happening in one month I

year is now happening in one month I mean things are just I mean I I’ve seen

mean things are just I mean I I’ve seen

mean things are just I mean I I’ve seen it over the last year in 22 years I’ve

it over the last year in 22 years I’ve

it over the last year in 22 years I’ve never seen as rapid evolution as I did

never seen as rapid evolution as I did

never seen as rapid evolution as I did last year and this year is going to be

last year and this year is going to be

last year and this year is going to be even faster they said look you know it’s

even faster they said look you know it’s

even faster they said look you know it’s great we’re making lots of money at the

great we’re making lots of money at the

great we’re making lots of money at the moment but you know we have really got

moment but you know we have really got

moment but you know we have really got to rethink what we do because if we

to rethink what we do because if we

to rethink what we do because if we don’t the change is going to pass us by

don’t the change is going to pass us by

don’t the change is going to pass us by and actually you know we’ve seen what

and actually you know we’ve seen what

and actually you know we’ve seen what happened with Kodak when the digital

happened with Kodak when the digital

happened with Kodak when the digital camera came in and the company was

camera came in and the company was

camera came in and the company was salvaged and it exists but it’s a shadow

salvaged and it exists but it’s a shadow

salvaged and it exists but it’s a shadow of its former self on the flip side on

of its former self on the flip side on

of its former self on the flip side on the flip side Google has now become a

the flip side Google has now become a

the flip side Google has now become a 700 million dollar company so so again

700 million dollar company so so again

700 million dollar company so so again it’s forcing companies to embrace change

it’s forcing companies to embrace change

it’s forcing companies to embrace change so now whether

so now whether

so now whether you want to change or you want to look

you want to change or you want to look

you want to change or you want to look at things in a different way I mean what

at things in a different way I mean what

at things in a different way I mean what I would say has become a disruptive

I would say has become a disruptive

I would say has become a disruptive innovator and embrace change I mean the

innovator and embrace change I mean the

innovator and embrace change I mean the opportunities there for all of us

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