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The Tale Of Two Robes | Julie Hogan | TEDxUniversityofNevada


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when you see me on this stage who do you

when you see me on this stage who do you think I am why do you think that and

think I am why do you think that and

think I am why do you think that and what does this say about you I’m

what does this say about you I’m

what does this say about you I’m guessing that several ideas may have

guessing that several ideas may have

guessing that several ideas may have entered your consciousness when you

entered your consciousness when you

entered your consciousness when you gazed upon me let me play with a few of

gazed upon me let me play with a few of

gazed upon me let me play with a few of the concepts I have heard while I’ve

the concepts I have heard while I’ve

the concepts I have heard while I’ve talked to people while wearing this robe

talked to people while wearing this robe

talked to people while wearing this robe Muslim woman uneducated oppressed

Muslim woman uneducated oppressed

Muslim woman uneducated oppressed submissive scary threatening terrorist

submissive scary threatening terrorist

submissive scary threatening terrorist Isis non-english speaker foreigner

Isis non-english speaker foreigner

Isis non-english speaker foreigner sexual saber these for a moment while I

sexual saber these for a moment while I

sexual saber these for a moment while I tell you a story a tale really a tale of

tell you a story a tale really a tale of

tell you a story a tale really a tale of two robes this tale will illustrate the

two robes this tale will illustrate the

two robes this tale will illustrate the concept of cultural humility it was

concept of cultural humility it was

concept of cultural humility it was about three years ago today that my

about three years ago today that my

about three years ago today that my friend and I got dressed up in our

friend and I got dressed up in our

friend and I got dressed up in our burkas and veils and headed to a popular

burkas and veils and headed to a popular

burkas and veils and headed to a popular restaurant to the local shopping mall

restaurant to the local shopping mall

restaurant to the local shopping mall when we got out of the car and into the

when we got out of the car and into the

when we got out of the car and into the place the crowd parted like Moses parted

place the crowd parted like Moses parted

place the crowd parted like Moses parted the Red Sea I found myself in one of the

the Red Sea I found myself in one of the

the Red Sea I found myself in one of the most socially awkward and stressful

most socially awkward and stressful

most socially awkward and stressful situations of my personal life while we

situations of my personal life while we

situations of my personal life while we were waiting for the table we were a

were waiting for the table we were a

were waiting for the table we were a seated at that point the server

seated at that point the server

seated at that point the server approached us was visibly upset and

approached us was visibly upset and

approached us was visibly upset and began to cry

began to cry

began to cry I wondered how could I comfort her and

I wondered how could I comfort her and

I wondered how could I comfort her and why was she moved to tears I told her

why was she moved to tears I told her

why was she moved to tears I told her she would be okay I mean what could I

she would be okay I mean what could I

she would be okay I mean what could I say

say

say there’s not a bomb strapped to me we

there’s not a bomb strapped to me we

there’s not a bomb strapped to me we ordered during our lunch three pairs of

ordered during our lunch three pairs of

ordered during our lunch three pairs of white middle-class women refused the

white middle-class women refused the

white middle-class women refused the only open table next to us interesting I

only open table next to us interesting I

only open table next to us interesting I thought they won’t even sit by us after

thought they won’t even sit by us after

thought they won’t even sit by us after lunch we decided to take a stroll around

lunch we decided to take a stroll around

lunch we decided to take a stroll around the mall during this excursion a two to

the mall during this excursion a two to

the mall during this excursion a two to three year old child saws screamed and

three year old child saws screamed and

three year old child saws screamed and ran back to his mother’s loving arms a

ran back to his mother’s loving arms a

ran back to his mother’s loving arms a group of five people who were talking

group of five people who were talking

group of five people who were talking amongst themselves stopped turned toward

amongst themselves stopped turned toward

amongst themselves stopped turned toward us balled up their fists and stared us

us balled up their fists and stared us

us balled up their fists and stared us down I was scared but the most

down I was scared but the most

down I was scared but the most distressing thing of all was when two

distressing thing of all was when two

distressing thing of all was when two men gave us the most lurid sexual gaze I

men gave us the most lurid sexual gaze I

men gave us the most lurid sexual gaze I had ever seen in my life I was shocked I

had ever seen in my life I was shocked I

had ever seen in my life I was shocked I asked my friend what the hell was that

asked my friend what the hell was that

asked my friend what the hell was that she said ah they were just fantasizing

she said ah they were just fantasizing

she said ah they were just fantasizing I’m not kidding fantasizing the history

I’m not kidding fantasizing the history

I’m not kidding fantasizing the history of this robe goes back millennia and is

of this robe goes back millennia and is

of this robe goes back millennia and is worn as an act of pious modesty toward

worn as an act of pious modesty toward

worn as an act of pious modesty toward God in many countries around the world

God in many countries around the world

God in many countries around the world wearing the burka in veils is socially

wearing the burka in veils is socially

wearing the burka in veils is socially normative and the women I have met who

normative and the women I have met who

normative and the women I have met who wear these veils are confident

wear these veils are confident

wear these veils are confident intelligent goal-oriented educating

intelligent goal-oriented educating

intelligent goal-oriented educating powerful engaging and funny this robe

powerful engaging and funny this robe

powerful engaging and funny this robe was a gift and one of the most

was a gift and one of the most

was a gift and one of the most significant gift of my lifetime it was

significant gift of my lifetime it was

significant gift of my lifetime it was given to me by my friend and mentor out

given to me by my friend and mentor out

given to me by my friend and mentor out of love and I wear it with the respect

of love and I wear it with the respect

of love and I wear it with the respect it deserves but I must say wearing this

it deserves but I must say wearing this

it deserves but I must say wearing this robe socially in America is extremely

robe socially in America is extremely

robe socially in America is extremely difficult the fabric is lightweight

difficult the fabric is lightweight

difficult the fabric is lightweight but the burden is heavy

I bet I know what you’re thinking now my

I bet I know what you’re thinking now my hair looks like look at me again

now when you see me on this stage who do

now when you see me on this stage who do you think I am I’m guessing that several

you think I am I’m guessing that several

you think I am I’m guessing that several ideas may have occurred to you when I

ideas may have occurred to you when I

ideas may have occurred to you when I took off my previous robe and presented

took off my previous robe and presented

took off my previous robe and presented myself in this one let me take a guess

myself in this one let me take a guess

myself in this one let me take a guess white blonde woman doctor professor

white blonde woman doctor professor

white blonde woman doctor professor educated employed determined and

educated employed determined and

educated employed determined and American this robe is my academic

American this robe is my academic

American this robe is my academic regalia that’s right I’m a professor of

regalia that’s right I’m a professor of

regalia that’s right I’m a professor of sociology and I work for the College of

sociology and I work for the College of

sociology and I work for the College of Business at the University of

Business at the University of

Business at the University of nevada-reno

nevada-reno

nevada-reno I graduated with my doctoral degree from

I graduated with my doctoral degree from

I graduated with my doctoral degree from the University of Las Vegas about 20

the University of Las Vegas about 20

the University of Las Vegas about 20 years ago this robe is heavy weight and

years ago this robe is heavy weight and

years ago this robe is heavy weight and is one I worked my butt off to earn it

is one I worked my butt off to earn it

is one I worked my butt off to earn it took me many years of hard work and

took me many years of hard work and

took me many years of hard work and determination to earn the privilege that

determination to earn the privilege that

determination to earn the privilege that comes with this robe when I wear this

comes with this robe when I wear this

comes with this robe when I wear this robe to commencement and other academic

robe to commencement and other academic

robe to commencement and other academic activities I am welcomed thanked and

activities I am welcomed thanked and

activities I am welcomed thanked and greeted I’m thanked for educating

greeted I’m thanked for educating

greeted I’m thanked for educating graduates the gazes I receive are

graduates the gazes I receive are

graduates the gazes I receive are accompanied with smiles and hands are

accompanied with smiles and hands are

accompanied with smiles and hands are outstretched in a gesture of kindness

outstretched in a gesture of kindness

outstretched in a gesture of kindness not balled up prepared to deliver a

not balled up prepared to deliver a

not balled up prepared to deliver a deathblow wearing this robe in American

deathblow wearing this robe in American

deathblow wearing this robe in American society is much much easier than wearing

society is much much easier than wearing

society is much much easier than wearing the previous robe of burkas and veils

the previous robe of burkas and veils

the previous robe of burkas and veils the history of this robe spans back to

the history of this robe spans back to

the history of this robe spans back to the 12th and 13th centuries and is

the 12th and 13th centuries and is

the 12th and 13th centuries and is evolved from a dress worn by religious

evolved from a dress worn by religious

evolved from a dress worn by religious clerics it is thought that the fabric is

clerics it is thought that the fabric is

clerics it is thought that the fabric is heavy weight to keep the clergy warm in

heavy weight to keep the clergy warm in

heavy weight to keep the clergy warm in cold dark buildings men historically

cold dark buildings men historically

cold dark buildings men historically wore these robes and still do but

wore these robes and still do but

wore these robes and still do but more and more women are earning doctoral

more and more women are earning doctoral

more and more women are earning doctoral degrees so wear these robes as well the

degrees so wear these robes as well the

degrees so wear these robes as well the robe is somewhat heavy and strangles my

robe is somewhat heavy and strangles my

robe is somewhat heavy and strangles my neck a bit but it’s much easier to wear

neck a bit but it’s much easier to wear

neck a bit but it’s much easier to wear and there is no burden the people I meet

and there is no burden the people I meet

and there is no burden the people I meet who wear this robe are also confident

who wear this robe are also confident

who wear this robe are also confident intelligent goal-oriented educated

intelligent goal-oriented educated

intelligent goal-oriented educated powerful engaging and funny

so my tale of two robes is really a

so my tale of two robes is really a story more about you than it is about me

story more about you than it is about me

story more about you than it is about me let me explain

let me explain

let me explain cultural humility requires all of us to

cultural humility requires all of us to

cultural humility requires all of us to become a student cultural humility is a

become a student cultural humility is a

become a student cultural humility is a process that is similar to the process

process that is similar to the process

process that is similar to the process that children incorporate when they

that children incorporate when they

that children incorporate when they learn something new in life it is open

learn something new in life it is open

learn something new in life it is open inquisitive and sincere to learning new

inquisitive and sincere to learning new

inquisitive and sincere to learning new knowledge that we didn’t have before it

knowledge that we didn’t have before it

knowledge that we didn’t have before it assumes little cultural competence on

assumes little cultural competence on

assumes little cultural competence on the other hand is the current prevailing

the other hand is the current prevailing

the other hand is the current prevailing paradigm when we engage one another

paradigm when we engage one another

paradigm when we engage one another through cultural competence we attend a

through cultural competence we attend a

through cultural competence we attend a workshop on culture so general it’s

workshop on culture so general it’s

workshop on culture so general it’s almost stereotypical and at the end we

almost stereotypical and at the end we

almost stereotypical and at the end we are given a certificate of completion

are given a certificate of completion

are given a certificate of completion and are deemed culturally competent I

and are deemed culturally competent I

and are deemed culturally competent I have taught hundreds of these workshops

have taught hundreds of these workshops

have taught hundreds of these workshops across our nation

across our nation

across our nation they include student learning objectives

they include student learning objectives

they include student learning objectives agendas case studies lectures and

agendas case studies lectures and

agendas case studies lectures and assessments this is a very white

assessments this is a very white

assessments this is a very white traditional American way of teaching

traditional American way of teaching

traditional American way of teaching people about culture cultural humility

people about culture cultural humility

people about culture cultural humility on the other hand is a richer more

on the other hand is a richer more

on the other hand is a richer more meaningful complex way to learn about

meaningful complex way to learn about

meaningful complex way to learn about culture it requires us to hold a humble

culture it requires us to hold a humble

culture it requires us to hold a humble posture to engage a mentor to have

posture to engage a mentor to have

posture to engage a mentor to have courageous conversations and to ask

courageous conversations and to ask

courageous conversations and to ask questions just like as child in my case

questions just like as child in my case

questions just like as child in my case cultural humility meant borrowing the

cultural humility meant borrowing the

cultural humility meant borrowing the robes of another a deeply stigmatized

robes of another a deeply stigmatized

robes of another a deeply stigmatized and misunderstood other in my very own

and misunderstood other in my very own

and misunderstood other in my very own culture the good old US of A and I must

culture the good old US of A and I must

culture the good old US of A and I must say I love this country so much but I

say I love this country so much but I

say I love this country so much but I really dislike the way we treat Muslim

really dislike the way we treat Muslim

really dislike the way we treat Muslim women

viewing my own culture beneath the robes

viewing my own culture beneath the robes of Islam has been a profound powerful in

of Islam has been a profound powerful in

of Islam has been a profound powerful in deeply insightful process that has not

deeply insightful process that has not

deeply insightful process that has not only taught me about Muslim women but it

only taught me about Muslim women but it

only taught me about Muslim women but it is taught me about Americans in social

is taught me about Americans in social

is taught me about Americans in social space so who you see on the stage now

space so who you see on the stage now

space so who you see on the stage now without either of my robes is really Who

without either of my robes is really Who

without either of my robes is really Who I am I’m just a white blond American

I am I’m just a white blond American

I am I’m just a white blond American woman with ancestors from Ireland the

woman with ancestors from Ireland the

woman with ancestors from Ireland the Czech Republic in Germany I am the

Czech Republic in Germany I am the

Czech Republic in Germany I am the mother of two beautiful girls aged 17

mother of two beautiful girls aged 17

mother of two beautiful girls aged 17 and 13 I am an author grant writer

and 13 I am an author grant writer

and 13 I am an author grant writer professor sociologist Catholic scuba

professor sociologist Catholic scuba

professor sociologist Catholic scuba diver scrapbooker friend sister and

diver scrapbooker friend sister and

diver scrapbooker friend sister and daughter and doing it all as a single

daughter and doing it all as a single

daughter and doing it all as a single woman

in my tale of two robes I hope you have

in my tale of two robes I hope you have discovered that my robes may or may not

discovered that my robes may or may not

discovered that my robes may or may not tell you who I really am more

tell you who I really am more

tell you who I really am more importantly they may tell you who you

importantly they may tell you who you

importantly they may tell you who you are and determine how you behave toward

are and determine how you behave toward

are and determine how you behave toward me

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