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Leading without fear | Ernie Spence | TEDxShoreditch


several years ago when I had the

several years ago when I had the privilege of assuming command of the US

privilege of assuming command of the US

privilege of assuming command of the US Navy’s largest aviation squadron it was

Navy’s largest aviation squadron it was

Navy’s largest aviation squadron it was in bad shape and getting worse we were

in bad shape and getting worse we were

in bad shape and getting worse we were tearing up airplanes and we were hurting

tearing up airplanes and we were hurting

tearing up airplanes and we were hurting people every day there were incidents

people every day there were incidents

people every day there were incidents that made us feel like we were getting

that made us feel like we were getting

that made us feel like we were getting by just on luck thinking back on it now

by just on luck thinking back on it now

by just on luck thinking back on it now I’m shocked that we weren’t crashing

I’m shocked that we weren’t crashing

I’m shocked that we weren’t crashing airplanes I had over 115 airplanes in my

airplanes I had over 115 airplanes in my

airplanes I had over 115 airplanes in my squadron and many of them look like this

squadron and many of them look like this

squadron and many of them look like this we’re clearly in no shape to fly but I

we’re clearly in no shape to fly but I

we’re clearly in no shape to fly but I had a couple of dozen others that we

had a couple of dozen others that we

had a couple of dozen others that we used every day to train the Navy’s

used every day to train the Navy’s

used every day to train the Navy’s newest fighter pilots to fly the f-18

newest fighter pilots to fly the f-18

newest fighter pilots to fly the f-18 Super Hornet unfortunately those

Super Hornet unfortunately those

Super Hornet unfortunately those airplanes well they looked okay on the

airplanes well they looked okay on the

airplanes well they looked okay on the outside they were just about a shape on

outside they were just about a shape on

outside they were just about a shape on the inside as this one can you imagine

the inside as this one can you imagine

the inside as this one can you imagine getting into an airplane that’s got 5 10

getting into an airplane that’s got 5 10

getting into an airplane that’s got 5 10 even over 30 different reasons why it

even over 30 different reasons why it

even over 30 different reasons why it should be grounded and then taking it

should be grounded and then taking it

should be grounded and then taking it flying and doing things like dropping

flying and doing things like dropping

flying and doing things like dropping bombs and dogfighting and trying to land

bombs and dogfighting and trying to land

bombs and dogfighting and trying to land on an aircraft carrier at sea it seems

on an aircraft carrier at sea it seems

on an aircraft carrier at sea it seems like such a silly question to ask yet

like such a silly question to ask yet

like such a silly question to ask yet all around me every day I had hundreds

all around me every day I had hundreds

all around me every day I had hundreds of smart talented and capable people who

of smart talented and capable people who

of smart talented and capable people who are making those sort of bad decisions

are making those sort of bad decisions

are making those sort of bad decisions but it wasn’t their fault and it wasn’t

but it wasn’t their fault and it wasn’t

but it wasn’t their fault and it wasn’t the airplanes our problem was our

the airplanes our problem was our

the airplanes our problem was our culture somehow our familiar culture of

culture somehow our familiar culture of

culture somehow our familiar culture of a high degree of individual

a high degree of individual

a high degree of individual accountability extreme levels of

accountability extreme levels of

accountability extreme levels of professional and technical knowledge the

professional and technical knowledge the

professional and technical knowledge the ability to balance competing priorities

ability to balance competing priorities

ability to balance competing priorities while still managing risks all of that

while still managing risks all of that

while still managing risks all of that had gotten so far out of whack changing

had gotten so far out of whack changing

had gotten so far out of whack changing culture and a large and complex

culture and a large and complex

culture and a large and complex organization is hard no matter in the

organization is hard no matter in the

organization is hard no matter in the absolute best of cases but imagine now

absolute best of cases but imagine now

absolute best of cases but imagine now people who are unfamiliar with the

people who are unfamiliar with the

people who are unfamiliar with the changes that we’re talking about there’s

changes that we’re talking about there’s

changes that we’re talking about there’s uncertainty about the path ahead

uncertainty about the path ahead

uncertainty about the path ahead oftentimes they’d rather just put their

oftentimes they’d rather just put their

oftentimes they’d rather just put their heads down hope for the best and do

heads down hope for the best and do

heads down hope for the best and do the circumstances that they that they

the circumstances that they that they

the circumstances that they that they see themselves in today and think about

see themselves in today and think about

see themselves in today and think about all the leaders you’ve known who’ve

all the leaders you’ve known who’ve

all the leaders you’ve known who’ve talked about the change that they’re

talked about the change that they’re

talked about the change that they’re gonna bring the improvements that are

gonna bring the improvements that are

gonna bring the improvements that are gonna come how things are gonna be

gonna come how things are gonna be

gonna come how things are gonna be better yet it’s almost as soon as their

better yet it’s almost as soon as their

better yet it’s almost as soon as their plans are rolled out it seems like

plans are rolled out it seems like

plans are rolled out it seems like they’re falling apart so as we think

they’re falling apart so as we think

they’re falling apart so as we think about making change in an organization

about making change in an organization

about making change in an organization it’s no wonder that so many times we try

it’s no wonder that so many times we try

it’s no wonder that so many times we try to change the culture of our teams and

to change the culture of our teams and

to change the culture of our teams and we fail so we could talk about all the

we fail so we could talk about all the

we fail so we could talk about all the reasons why failure upon failure was

reasons why failure upon failure was

reasons why failure upon failure was allowed to pile up in that squadron but

allowed to pile up in that squadron but

allowed to pile up in that squadron but the real learning comes from thinking

the real learning comes from thinking

the real learning comes from thinking about how we were able to successfully

about how we were able to successfully

about how we were able to successfully transform the culture and that very

transform the culture and that very

transform the culture and that very broken organization in spite of all of

broken organization in spite of all of

broken organization in spite of all of the challenges that we faced in spite of

the challenges that we faced in spite of

the challenges that we faced in spite of all the expectations that we would fail

all the expectations that we would fail

all the expectations that we would fail the transformation was remarkable

the transformation was remarkable

the transformation was remarkable injuries became rare our incident rates

injuries became rare our incident rates

injuries became rare our incident rates plummeted our productivity skyrocketed

plummeted our productivity skyrocketed

plummeted our productivity skyrocketed goals I had set and expected to meet in

goals I had set and expected to meet in

goals I had set and expected to meet in 24 months we achieved in less than nine

24 months we achieved in less than nine

24 months we achieved in less than nine it was a remarkable turnaround now just

it was a remarkable turnaround now just

it was a remarkable turnaround now just for a moment here I should make sure

for a moment here I should make sure

for a moment here I should make sure that you understand the culture that I’m

that you understand the culture that I’m

that you understand the culture that I’m talking about isn’t what maybe some

talking about isn’t what maybe some

talking about isn’t what maybe some might be thinking of you know things

might be thinking of you know things

might be thinking of you know things like beanbag chairs and ping pong tables

like beanbag chairs and ping pong tables

like beanbag chairs and ping pong tables at work well I’m a big fan of that sort

at work well I’m a big fan of that sort

at work well I’m a big fan of that sort of thing the culture I’m talking about

of thing the culture I’m talking about

of thing the culture I’m talking about defines how an organization works our

defines how an organization works our

defines how an organization works our culture comes from our values our

culture comes from our values our

culture comes from our values our beliefs our behaviors and we see it

beliefs our behaviors and we see it

beliefs our behaviors and we see it across our organizations every day one

across our organizations every day one

across our organizations every day one of the primary roles of leadership is to

of the primary roles of leadership is to

of the primary roles of leadership is to define the culture they want in their

define the culture they want in their

define the culture they want in their teams but if you asked a leader and they

teams but if you asked a leader and they

teams but if you asked a leader and they answer it honestly they would probably

answer it honestly they would probably

answer it honestly they would probably admit that as they go about doing their

admit that as they go about doing their

admit that as they go about doing their work every day there’s an element of

work every day there’s an element of

work every day there’s an element of fear that goes with them I know that

fear that goes with them I know that

fear that goes with them I know that fear that fear comes from this the doubt

fear that fear comes from this the doubt

fear that fear comes from this the doubt and the uncertainty that you have that

and the uncertainty that you have that

and the uncertainty that you have that the expectations you’re setting for your

the expectations you’re setting for your

the expectations you’re setting for your team about whether or not they’ll

team about whether or not they’ll

team about whether or not they’ll actually be able to meet them I had over

actually be able to meet them I had over

actually be able to meet them I had over 1,300 people in my squadron all

1,300 people in my squadron all

1,300 people in my squadron all talented capable accomplished and yet

talented capable accomplished and yet

talented capable accomplished and yet every day I feared the decisions that

every day I feared the decisions that

every day I feared the decisions that they were making they knew what the

they were making they knew what the

they were making they knew what the right decisions were and they knew how

right decisions were and they knew how

right decisions were and they knew how to do those things but our culture

to do those things but our culture

to do those things but our culture simply wouldn’t let them do the things

simply wouldn’t let them do the things

simply wouldn’t let them do the things that they should be so I had to create a

that they should be so I had to create a

that they should be so I had to create a new culture I had to create a culture

new culture I had to create a culture

new culture I had to create a culture that was healthy and it was robust it

that was healthy and it was robust it

that was healthy and it was robust it had to be highly reliable so we could

had to be highly reliable so we could

had to be highly reliable so we could consistently and we could safely execute

consistently and we could safely execute

consistently and we could safely execute our job

our job

our job the pillars upon which a culture of high

the pillars upon which a culture of high

the pillars upon which a culture of high reliability are built include integrity

reliability are built include integrity

reliability are built include integrity which means that you can count on people

which means that you can count on people

which means that you can count on people to do what they say and to do what

to do what they say and to do what

to do what they say and to do what they’re expected to do they have the

they’re expected to do they have the

they’re expected to do they have the courage to do what is right and to hold

courage to do what is right and to hold

courage to do what is right and to hold others and even themselves accountable

others and even themselves accountable

others and even themselves accountable formality means that people follow

formality means that people follow

formality means that people follow procedures they follow rules they don’t

procedures they follow rules they don’t

procedures they follow rules they don’t tolerate unauthorized shortcuts when

tolerate unauthorized shortcuts when

tolerate unauthorized shortcuts when you’re thinking about knowledge it means

you’re thinking about knowledge it means

you’re thinking about knowledge it means that you do you know not only what you

that you do you know not only what you

that you do you know not only what you do but why you do it and you’re

do but why you do it and you’re

do but why you do it and you’re constantly learning and incorporating

constantly learning and incorporating

constantly learning and incorporating that learning back into the work that

that learning back into the work that

that learning back into the work that you’re doing every day when you have

you’re doing every day when you have

you’re doing every day when you have strong team back up your fear just melts

strong team back up your fear just melts

strong team back up your fear just melts away because you know that there are

away because you know that there are

away because you know that there are dozens perhaps hundreds of people out

dozens perhaps hundreds of people out

dozens perhaps hundreds of people out there looking for and thinking about

there looking for and thinking about

there looking for and thinking about what it is that you haven’t found or

what it is that you haven’t found or

what it is that you haven’t found or thought about and oh by the way you’re

thought about and oh by the way you’re

thought about and oh by the way you’re expecting them to tell you about it when

expecting them to tell you about it when

expecting them to tell you about it when they find it and so what they do when

they find it and so what they do when

they find it and so what they do when they bring you that news even if it’s

they bring you that news even if it’s

they bring you that news even if it’s bad news you really value it lastly a

bad news you really value it lastly a

bad news you really value it lastly a questioning attitude means that people

questioning attitude means that people

questioning attitude means that people don’t just assume that things are gonna

don’t just assume that things are gonna

don’t just assume that things are gonna go okay they’re looking for those

go okay they’re looking for those

go okay they’re looking for those unexpected points of failure they’re

unexpected points of failure they’re

unexpected points of failure they’re anticipating what could go wrong they

anticipating what could go wrong they

anticipating what could go wrong they don’t just assume they go out and verify

don’t just assume they go out and verify

don’t just assume they go out and verify and when you have a team that’s built on

and when you have a team that’s built on

and when you have a team that’s built on a foundation like this trust grows like

a foundation like this trust grows like

a foundation like this trust grows like wildfire so when you define your culture

wildfire so when you define your culture

wildfire so when you define your culture the words matter the definitions of

the words matter the definitions of

the words matter the definitions of those words matter even more what

those words matter even more what

those words matter even more what matters most of all is that those words

matters most of all is that those words

matters most of all is that those words and definitions get into the minds of

and definitions get into the minds of

and definitions get into the minds of the people on your team so they guide

the people on your team so they guide

the people on your team so they guide the decisions that they’re making every

the decisions that they’re making every

the decisions that they’re making every single day

single day

single day now I said earlier one of the

now I said earlier one of the

now I said earlier one of the fundamental roles of leadership is to

fundamental roles of leadership is to

fundamental roles of leadership is to define the culture for the team that

define the culture for the team that

define the culture for the team that they’re leading the other equally

they’re leading the other equally

they’re leading the other equally important role is to ensure that every

important role is to ensure that every

important role is to ensure that every member on the team knows what is

member on the team knows what is

member on the team knows what is expected of them to bring that culture

expected of them to bring that culture

expected of them to bring that culture to life I did this by talking to every

to life I did this by talking to every

to life I did this by talking to every single person in my squadron in

single person in my squadron in

single person in my squadron in one-on-one meetings in small groups in

one-on-one meetings in small groups in

one-on-one meetings in small groups in large groups and town hall sessions and

large groups and town hall sessions and

large groups and town hall sessions and welcome aboard briefings even in their

welcome aboard briefings even in their

welcome aboard briefings even in their performance reviews I emphasize my

performance reviews I emphasize my

performance reviews I emphasize my expectations for them to bring our

expectations for them to bring our

expectations for them to bring our cultural life but the point I am ffice

cultural life but the point I am ffice

cultural life but the point I am ffice eyes above all else was that I expected

eyes above all else was that I expected

eyes above all else was that I expected them to hold me to the same expectations

them to hold me to the same expectations

them to hold me to the same expectations I was laying out for them and everybody

I was laying out for them and everybody

I was laying out for them and everybody else in the squadron and as a leader if

else in the squadron and as a leader if

else in the squadron and as a leader if you really want to get accountability

you really want to get accountability

you really want to get accountability going then enable and empower every

going then enable and empower every

going then enable and empower every person on your team to hold you

person on your team to hold you

person on your team to hold you accountable when you have an entire team

accountable when you have an entire team

accountable when you have an entire team that’s holding each other accountable

that’s holding each other accountable

that’s holding each other accountable including the senior leaders then change

including the senior leaders then change

including the senior leaders then change can happen very very quickly and in this

can happen very very quickly and in this

can happen very very quickly and in this culture of high reliability where people

culture of high reliability where people

culture of high reliability where people are empowered they know what’s expected

are empowered they know what’s expected

are empowered they know what’s expected of them and they’re holding each other

of them and they’re holding each other

of them and they’re holding each other accountable remarkable things can happen

accountable remarkable things can happen

accountable remarkable things can happen like the day I was walking across my

like the day I was walking across my

like the day I was walking across my hangar heading out to the flight line

hangar heading out to the flight line

hangar heading out to the flight line and I saw a sailor he had just graduated

and I saw a sailor he had just graduated

and I saw a sailor he had just graduated from high school and had been in my

from high school and had been in my

from high school and had been in my squadron for less than two weeks but a

squadron for less than two weeks but a

squadron for less than two weeks but a couple of days prior I’d been talking to

couple of days prior I’d been talking to

couple of days prior I’d been talking to him about my expectations for him and

him about my expectations for him and

him about my expectations for him and our culture I waved and then as I

our culture I waved and then as I

our culture I waved and then as I stepped onto the flight line he yelled

stepped onto the flight line he yelled

stepped onto the flight line he yelled sir stop you can’t go out there without

sir stop you can’t go out there without

sir stop you can’t go out there without your helmet and your goggles

your helmet and your goggles

your helmet and your goggles imagine the youngest most junior person

imagine the youngest most junior person

imagine the youngest most junior person in the organization telling the most

in the organization telling the most

in the organization telling the most senior person that he was making us

senior person that he was making us

senior person that he was making us mistake in that one instant when he

mistake in that one instant when he

mistake in that one instant when he intervened in my mistake he demonstrated

intervened in my mistake he demonstrated

intervened in my mistake he demonstrated all five of the pillars of our culture

all five of the pillars of our culture

all five of the pillars of our culture now that’s a simple story but the point

now that’s a simple story but the point

now that’s a simple story but the point is that started happening all across the

is that started happening all across the

is that started happening all across the organization I went from being an

organization I went from being an

organization I went from being an individual who was trying to change the

individual who was trying to change the

individual who was trying to change the behaviors and habits of 1,300 other

behaviors and habits of 1,300 other

behaviors and habits of 1,300 other to having hundreds of folks that were

to having hundreds of folks that were

to having hundreds of folks that were using these Polar’s to change the

using these Polar’s to change the

using these Polar’s to change the behaviors of everybody where they worked

behaviors of everybody where they worked

behaviors of everybody where they worked every day now there’s this myth out

every day now there’s this myth out

every day now there’s this myth out there that leadership in the military is

there that leadership in the military is

there that leadership in the military is somehow easier because we were a ranked

somehow easier because we were a ranked

somehow easier because we were a ranked on our collars and we can just tell

on our collars and we can just tell

on our collars and we can just tell people what to do that couldn’t be

people what to do that couldn’t be

people what to do that couldn’t be further from the truth the essence of

further from the truth the essence of

further from the truth the essence of great leadership varies not one bit from

great leadership varies not one bit from

great leadership varies not one bit from the military to corporate to commercial

the military to corporate to commercial

the military to corporate to commercial to private to government organizations

to private to government organizations

to private to government organizations what I know for sure is that people on a

what I know for sure is that people on a

what I know for sure is that people on a team they want to be lead they want to

team they want to be lead they want to

team they want to be lead they want to know that what they’re doing is

know that what they’re doing is

know that what they’re doing is meaningful and that they’re contributing

meaningful and that they’re contributing

meaningful and that they’re contributing in a way that adds value to the team

in a way that adds value to the team

in a way that adds value to the team they want to have expectations set for

they want to have expectations set for

they want to have expectations set for them and they want to be able to achieve

them and they want to be able to achieve

them and they want to be able to achieve them what they want is a leader who can

them what they want is a leader who can

them what they want is a leader who can lead without fear when you lead without

lead without fear when you lead without

lead without fear when you lead without fear you empower your team to do the

fear you empower your team to do the

fear you empower your team to do the sort of things that they’re asking to do

sort of things that they’re asking to do

sort of things that they’re asking to do every single day so we started

every single day so we started

every single day so we started accomplishing that sort of that sort of

accomplishing that sort of that sort of

accomplishing that sort of that sort of outcome on a day-in and day-out basis I

outcome on a day-in and day-out basis I

outcome on a day-in and day-out basis I set expectations for every one of the

set expectations for every one of the

set expectations for every one of the members of my team that they could stop

members of my team that they could stop

members of my team that they could stop any sort of activity that they felt was

any sort of activity that they felt was

any sort of activity that they felt was unsafe and pretty soon instead of having

unsafe and pretty soon instead of having

unsafe and pretty soon instead of having a supervisor on every single job I

a supervisor on every single job I

a supervisor on every single job I started having people no matter what

started having people no matter what

started having people no matter what they were working on they became their

they were working on they became their

they were working on they became their own supervisor they took an attitude

own supervisor they took an attitude

own supervisor they took an attitude that they could solve their problems I

that they could solve their problems I

that they could solve their problems I empowered them to make decisions on the

empowered them to make decisions on the

empowered them to make decisions on the best interest of the squadron and on

best interest of the squadron and on

best interest of the squadron and on behalf of myself and I also accept the

behalf of myself and I also accept the

behalf of myself and I also accept the expectation that if any of them saw

expectation that if any of them saw

expectation that if any of them saw something that is it shouldn’t be they

something that is it shouldn’t be they

something that is it shouldn’t be they had to put a stop to it

had to put a stop to it

had to put a stop to it in our old culture nobody would speak up

in our old culture nobody would speak up

in our old culture nobody would speak up there was no reason to do so in our new

there was no reason to do so in our new

there was no reason to do so in our new culture

culture

culture I gave recognition and awards to people

I gave recognition and awards to people

I gave recognition and awards to people who took the chance to say hey there’s

who took the chance to say hey there’s

who took the chance to say hey there’s something wrong and pretty soon it

something wrong and pretty soon it

something wrong and pretty soon it started to spread and

started to spread and

started to spread and for just a short period of time we put

for just a short period of time we put

for just a short period of time we put these airplanes back together and we

these airplanes back together and we

these airplanes back together and we started doing this sort of awesome

started doing this sort of awesome

started doing this sort of awesome flying you see here but more importantly

flying you see here but more importantly

flying you see here but more importantly we put a team back together we put a

we put a team back together we put a

we put a team back together we put a team that was built upon a healthy and

team that was built upon a healthy and

team that was built upon a healthy and just on the foundation of a healthy and

just on the foundation of a healthy and

just on the foundation of a healthy and strong culture in a culture of high

strong culture in a culture of high

strong culture in a culture of high reliability one thing is absolutely sure

reliability one thing is absolutely sure

reliability one thing is absolutely sure people feel empowered and they feel

people feel empowered and they feel

people feel empowered and they feel equipped and they feel capable of making

equipped and they feel capable of making

equipped and they feel capable of making the sort of decisions that are expected

the sort of decisions that are expected

the sort of decisions that are expected of them every day as I think about those

of them every day as I think about those

of them every day as I think about those sailors that I led and the challenges

sailors that I led and the challenges

sailors that I led and the challenges that we met I have a question that I

that we met I have a question that I

that we met I have a question that I would ask of you in the teams that

would ask of you in the teams that

would ask of you in the teams that you’re a part of do you think that based

you’re a part of do you think that based

you’re a part of do you think that based upon the stated values of your

upon the stated values of your

upon the stated values of your organization that people can make the

organization that people can make the

organization that people can make the decisions the organization is expecting

decisions the organization is expecting

decisions the organization is expecting of them and further do you believe that

of them and further do you believe that

of them and further do you believe that there’s enough substance in the

there’s enough substance in the

there’s enough substance in the definitions of their vision that people

definitions of their vision that people

definitions of their vision that people would be able to know how to use it to

would be able to know how to use it to

would be able to know how to use it to guide their behaviors and the work that

guide their behaviors and the work that

guide their behaviors and the work that they’re doing every day

they’re doing every day

they’re doing every day if you’ve laid out your culture

if you’ve laid out your culture

if you’ve laid out your culture if you’ve defined it if you’ve

if you’ve defined it if you’ve

if you’ve defined it if you’ve communicated it and then lastly if

communicated it and then lastly if

communicated it and then lastly if you’ve given people the necessary

you’ve given people the necessary

you’ve given people the necessary knowledge and ability to act then you

knowledge and ability to act then you

knowledge and ability to act then you can be sure that you can lead without

can be sure that you can lead without

can be sure that you can lead without fear as I think about all the challenges

fear as I think about all the challenges

fear as I think about all the challenges that we came through what I absolutely

that we came through what I absolutely

that we came through what I absolutely want to leave you with is that it’s not

want to leave you with is that it’s not

want to leave you with is that it’s not easy here’s going to be challenges

easy here’s going to be challenges

easy here’s going to be challenges people are going to have to make

people are going to have to make

people are going to have to make decisions they’re gonna have to make

decisions they’re gonna have to make

decisions they’re gonna have to make decisions that they’re not sure that

decisions that they’re not sure that

decisions that they’re not sure that they should be but you want them to fall

they should be but you want them to fall

they should be but you want them to fall back on the culture that you built in

back on the culture that you built in

back on the culture that you built in the organization you want them to know

the organization you want them to know

the organization you want them to know that they have to make those decisions

that they have to make those decisions

that they have to make those decisions and they have to guide their behaviors

and they have to guide their behaviors

and they have to guide their behaviors nonetheless and if you’re leading a team

nonetheless and if you’re leading a team

nonetheless and if you’re leading a team that’s built on a foundation with a

that’s built on a foundation with a

that’s built on a foundation with a culture like that then I can assure you

culture like that then I can assure you

culture like that then I can assure you as a leader you have absolutely nothing

as a leader you have absolutely nothing

as a leader you have absolutely nothing to fear thank you

to fear thank you

to fear thank you you

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