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How Horses Are A Mirror To Our Souls and Help Us Heal | Mary Poupon | TEDxDanbury


as a psychiatric nurse practice at our

as a psychiatric nurse practice at our most of my treatment has been in

most of my treatment has been in

most of my treatment has been in traditional modalities CBT DBT

traditional modalities CBT DBT

traditional modalities CBT DBT supportive counseling pharmacal

supportive counseling pharmacal

supportive counseling pharmacal pharmacology most of my clients also

pharmacology most of my clients also

pharmacology most of my clients also have been victims of trauma on December

have been victims of trauma on December

have been victims of trauma on December 14 2012 I was at work at a hospital in

14 2012 I was at work at a hospital in

14 2012 I was at work at a hospital in Queens and I received a phone call from

Queens and I received a phone call from

Queens and I received a phone call from a friend that there had been food a

a friend that there had been food a

a friend that there had been food a shooting in one of the schools in

shooting in one of the schools in

shooting in one of the schools in Newtown I drove home as quickly as I

Newtown I drove home as quickly as I

Newtown I drove home as quickly as I could I was very fortunate that day I

could I was very fortunate that day I

could I was very fortunate that day I was able to pick up all three of my

was able to pick up all three of my

was able to pick up all three of my children from school 26 people were

children from school 26 people were

children from school 26 people were gunned down that day twenty children and

gunned down that day twenty children and

gunned down that day twenty children and six educators in less than 11 minutes

six educators in less than 11 minutes

six educators in less than 11 minutes the town of Newtown was fortunate in the

the town of Newtown was fortunate in the

the town of Newtown was fortunate in the fact that many mental health people came

fact that many mental health people came

fact that many mental health people came to town to see how they could help one

to town to see how they could help one

to town to see how they could help one of the organizations that Barford hub

of the organizations that Barford hub

of the organizations that Barford hub was an organization called Ogawa I’ve

was an organization called Ogawa I’ve

was an organization called Ogawa I’ve been in the field for 30 years I never

been in the field for 30 years I never

been in the field for 30 years I never heard of a gala they actually were

heard of a gala they actually were

heard of a gala they actually were founded in 1999 they’re an international

founded in 1999 they’re an international

founded in 1999 they’re an international organization and they train people in

organization and they train people in

organization and they train people in equine assisted psychotherapy the

equine assisted psychotherapy the

equine assisted psychotherapy the premise of the therapy is there is a

premise of the therapy is there is a

premise of the therapy is there is a licensed mental health clinician who

licensed mental health clinician who

licensed mental health clinician who becomes trained partnered with an equine

becomes trained partnered with an equine

becomes trained partnered with an equine specialist who is of course expert a

specialist who is of course expert a

specialist who is of course expert a herd of horses and the client my friend

herd of horses and the client my friend

herd of horses and the client my friend and that at the time of the tragedy

and that at the time of the tragedy

and that at the time of the tragedy immediately opened up her farms of the

immediately opened up her farms of the

immediately opened up her farms of the community the a gala folks went there

community the a gala folks went there

community the a gala folks went there they did some treatment she also let

they did some treatment she also let

they did some treatment she also let families go there just to have a safe

families go there just to have a safe

families go there just to have a safe space today in 2013 a year later when I

space today in 2013 a year later when I

space today in 2013 a year later when I felt I had time to process the event

felt I had time to process the event

felt I had time to process the event myself and that came to me and asked me

myself and that came to me and asked me

myself and that came to me and asked me if I would become certified so I said

if I would become certified so I said

if I would become certified so I said sure

sure

sure the certification was unlike any other

the certification was unlike any other

the certification was unlike any other training I’ve been to um it was it an

training I’ve been to um it was it an

training I’ve been to um it was it an indoor horse arena you’re all bundled up

indoor horse arena you’re all bundled up

indoor horse arena you’re all bundled up there are about thirty folks there and

there are about thirty folks there and

there are about thirty folks there and there was a herd of horses running

there was a herd of horses running

there was a herd of horses running around as I was sitting there with the

around as I was sitting there with the

around as I was sitting there with the horse people in the mental health people

horse people in the mental health people

horse people in the mental health people someone said oh the horses will show us

someone said oh the horses will show us

someone said oh the horses will show us the way the horses will let us know what

the way the horses will let us know what

the way the horses will let us know what to

to

to and I was thinking to myself really on

and I was thinking to myself really on

and I was thinking to myself really on being a science-based nurse practitioner

being a science-based nurse practitioner

being a science-based nurse practitioner I was a little skeptical of the whole

I was a little skeptical of the whole

I was a little skeptical of the whole equine therapy I mean I was always

equine therapy I mean I was always

equine therapy I mean I was always sitting there with my skepticism I felt

sitting there with my skepticism I felt

sitting there with my skepticism I felt a push to the back of my head I looked

a push to the back of my head I looked

a push to the back of my head I looked up and standing above me was a 1200

up and standing above me was a 1200

up and standing above me was a 1200 pound horse standing about six foot tall

pound horse standing about six foot tall

pound horse standing about six foot tall looking into my eyes at that moment I

looking into my eyes at that moment I

looking into my eyes at that moment I felt that he could feel that I had an

felt that he could feel that I had an

felt that he could feel that I had an attitude so I said okay let me open my

attitude so I said okay let me open my

attitude so I said okay let me open my minds up to the process so my thoughts

minds up to the process so my thoughts

minds up to the process so my thoughts went further and I thought to myself

went further and I thought to myself

went further and I thought to myself well why horses why not a different

well why horses why not a different

well why horses why not a different animal why equine assisted psychotherapy

animal why equine assisted psychotherapy

animal why equine assisted psychotherapy well I’ve learned a lot about horses

well I’ve learned a lot about horses

well I’ve learned a lot about horses since then so horses like to be with

since then so horses like to be with

since then so horses like to be with other horses they don’t like to be alone

other horses they don’t like to be alone

other horses they don’t like to be alone they like to be in a herd I’m just like

they like to be in a herd I’m just like

they like to be in a herd I’m just like we don’t like to be alone we like to be

we don’t like to be alone we like to be

we don’t like to be alone we like to be with our families we’d like to be with

with our families we’d like to be with

with our families we’d like to be with friends we like to be in relationships

friends we like to be in relationships

friends we like to be in relationships we like to have school friends I mean

we like to have school friends I mean

we like to have school friends I mean horses very much you’re the same way

horses very much you’re the same way

horses very much you’re the same way horses like people also have attitudes

horses like people also have attitudes

horses like people also have attitudes and distinctive personalities so within

and distinctive personalities so within

and distinctive personalities so within their own heard there’s dynamics that go

their own heard there’s dynamics that go

their own heard there’s dynamics that go on just like in human relationships

on just like in human relationships

on just like in human relationships who’s in charge who’s a follower who’s a

who’s in charge who’s a follower who’s a

who’s in charge who’s a follower who’s a passive who’s annoying who do they want

passive who’s annoying who do they want

passive who’s annoying who do they want to get out of the herd um so it’s very

to get out of the herd um so it’s very

to get out of the herd um so it’s very much in tune with people horses also

much in tune with people horses also

much in tune with people horses also just being so large are perfect parallel

just being so large are perfect parallel

just being so large are perfect parallel when we want to face a trauma or

when we want to face a trauma or

when we want to face a trauma or something that’s very difficult in our

something that’s very difficult in our

something that’s very difficult in our life so the physical state of the force

life so the physical state of the force

life so the physical state of the force also parallels the big obstacle that you

also parallels the big obstacle that you

also parallels the big obstacle that you might face back when horses were living

might face back when horses were living

might face back when horses were living in the wild they were animals that were

in the wild they were animals that were

in the wild they were animals that were preyed upon so they had to have a very

preyed upon so they had to have a very

preyed upon so they had to have a very keen awareness of their environment and

keen awareness of their environment and

keen awareness of their environment and also different nonverbals in order to

also different nonverbals in order to

also different nonverbals in order to survive they had to know when to run and

survive they had to know when to run and

survive they had to know when to run and flee so because of that they have to

flee so because of that they have to

flee so because of that they have to also learn how to get along in their own

also learn how to get along in their own

also learn how to get along in their own herd if they can’t get along and they’re

herd if they can’t get along and they’re

herd if they can’t get along and they’re pushed out then they

pushed out then they

pushed out then they more vulnerable going back to science

more vulnerable going back to science

more vulnerable going back to science for a minute Charles Darwin who studied

for a minute Charles Darwin who studied

for a minute Charles Darwin who studied mammals learned that mammals all use

mammals learned that mammals all use

mammals learned that mammals all use similar muscles for facial expressions

similar muscles for facial expressions

similar muscles for facial expressions so horses because of their ability to

so horses because of their ability to

so horses because of their ability to really observe their environment can

really observe their environment can

really observe their environment can have the uncanny ability to read human

have the uncanny ability to read human

have the uncanny ability to read human emotion and I think that day when I got

emotion and I think that day when I got

emotion and I think that day when I got knocked in the head out of all the

knocked in the head out of all the

knocked in the head out of all the people in the circle I think the horse

people in the circle I think the horse

people in the circle I think the horse was picking up on the attitude I had

was picking up on the attitude I had

was picking up on the attitude I had that day I want to speak a minute about

that day I want to speak a minute about

that day I want to speak a minute about on PTSD so post-traumatic stress

on PTSD so post-traumatic stress

on PTSD so post-traumatic stress disorder can happen a series of trauma

disorder can happen a series of trauma

disorder can happen a series of trauma it also can occur with a single event

it also can occur with a single event

it also can occur with a single event and the hypothesis about PTSD is that

and the hypothesis about PTSD is that

and the hypothesis about PTSD is that our autonomic nervous system goes on

our autonomic nervous system goes on

our autonomic nervous system goes on overdrive so we have that

overdrive so we have that

overdrive so we have that fight-or-flight response that I think

fight-or-flight response that I think

fight-or-flight response that I think everybody is familiar with everyone’s

everybody is familiar with everyone’s

everybody is familiar with everyone’s had an experience in their life where

had an experience in their life where

had an experience in their life where they had that intense anxiety I was

they had that intense anxiety I was

they had that intense anxiety I was having it backstage actually trying to

having it backstage actually trying to

having it backstage actually trying to figure out how to get out of here

figure out how to get out of here

figure out how to get out of here so that’s what happens but with PTSD

so that’s what happens but with PTSD

so that’s what happens but with PTSD doesn’t go away

doesn’t go away

doesn’t go away so it’s chronic and you’re constantly

so it’s chronic and you’re constantly

so it’s chronic and you’re constantly uncomfortable and there also could be

uncomfortable and there also could be

uncomfortable and there also could be triggers with PTSD and you know what we

triggers with PTSD and you know what we

triggers with PTSD and you know what we learned with the work with the children

learned with the work with the children

learned with the work with the children and the adolescents and families in

and the adolescents and families in

and the adolescents and families in Newtown that they were experiencing a

Newtown that they were experiencing a

Newtown that they were experiencing a lot of PTSD and a lot of triggers for

lot of PTSD and a lot of triggers for

lot of PTSD and a lot of triggers for example if they’ve heard a fire engine

example if they’ve heard a fire engine

example if they’ve heard a fire engine and that could be a trigger on the

and that could be a trigger on the

and that could be a trigger on the fourth of July became a trigger with the

fourth of July became a trigger with the

fourth of July became a trigger with the fireworks on kids complains of not being

fireworks on kids complains of not being

fireworks on kids complains of not being able to go to a amusement park because

able to go to a amusement park because

able to go to a amusement park because they couldn’t tolerate hearing screams

they couldn’t tolerate hearing screams

they couldn’t tolerate hearing screams of other children even though it was

of other children even though it was

of other children even though it was joyful screaming I’m all the way to kids

joyful screaming I’m all the way to kids

joyful screaming I’m all the way to kids not even be able to enter a school not

not even be able to enter a school not

not even be able to enter a school not wanting to go to a school not wanting to

wanting to go to a school not wanting to

wanting to go to a school not wanting to drive cats with school not wanting to be

drive cats with school not wanting to be

drive cats with school not wanting to be on a bus I’m at home being unable to

on a bus I’m at home being unable to

on a bus I’m at home being unable to sleep alone wanting to go from different

sleep alone wanting to go from different

sleep alone wanting to go from different parts of their home with other people

parts of their home with other people

parts of their home with other people just that intense overdrive of the

just that intense overdrive of the

just that intense overdrive of the fight-or-flight feeling my own son who

fight-or-flight feeling my own son who

fight-or-flight feeling my own son who was my kids were all in different

was my kids were all in different

was my kids were all in different schools none of them

schools none of them

schools none of them in the Sandy Hook school but my son was

in the Sandy Hook school but my son was

in the Sandy Hook school but my son was in fourth grade at the time in a

in fourth grade at the time in a

in fourth grade at the time in a different elementary school and he had

different elementary school and he had

different elementary school and he had said to me that he couldn’t concentrate

said to me that he couldn’t concentrate

said to me that he couldn’t concentrate anymore in school when I asked him why

anymore in school when I asked him why

anymore in school when I asked him why he said he was thinking about all day

he said he was thinking about all day

he said he was thinking about all day about how he could get out of the school

about how he could get out of the school

about how he could get out of the school in case an intruder came again and he

in case an intruder came again and he

in case an intruder came again and he said he finally figured out how to get

said he finally figured out how to get

said he finally figured out how to get out but he couldn’t figure out how to

out but he couldn’t figure out how to

out but he couldn’t figure out how to get to the other side of the school to

get to the other side of the school to

get to the other side of the school to get his sister before he left so you

get his sister before he left so you

get his sister before he left so you know this is a this is an example of how

know this is a this is an example of how

know this is a this is an example of how you know the traumas in the school but

you know the traumas in the school but

you know the traumas in the school but it really goes to the whole whole

it really goes to the whole whole

it really goes to the whole whole periphery of the community and trauma

periphery of the community and trauma

periphery of the community and trauma really is what your idea of the

really is what your idea of the

really is what your idea of the experience convey so now we’re back to

experience convey so now we’re back to

experience convey so now we’re back to 2013 and a lot of the kids it had a year

2013 and a lot of the kids it had a year

2013 and a lot of the kids it had a year passed a tragedy a lot of the people

passed a tragedy a lot of the people

passed a tragedy a lot of the people that were helping were gone

that were helping were gone

that were helping were gone you know Annette and I were trained at

you know Annette and I were trained at

you know Annette and I were trained at the time I’m a lot of kids were stuck in

the time I’m a lot of kids were stuck in

the time I’m a lot of kids were stuck in their talk therapy a lot of families

their talk therapy a lot of families

their talk therapy a lot of families said forget it we’re not feeling better

said forget it we’re not feeling better

said forget it we’re not feeling better we don’t want to do that we don’t want

we don’t want to do that we don’t want

we don’t want to do that we don’t want to do our therapy anymore so we started

to do our therapy anymore so we started

to do our therapy anymore so we started seeing kids at the farm and you know you

seeing kids at the farm and you know you

seeing kids at the farm and you know you can see in the picture is you see some

can see in the picture is you see some

can see in the picture is you see some of the equipment there

of the equipment there

of the equipment there so with equine assisted psychotherapy

so with equine assisted psychotherapy

so with equine assisted psychotherapy there’s a licensed mental health

there’s a licensed mental health

there’s a licensed mental health clinician and there’s an equine

clinician and there’s an equine

clinician and there’s an equine specialist and a herd of horses and we

specialist and a herd of horses and we

specialist and a herd of horses and we want to use a variety of different props

want to use a variety of different props

want to use a variety of different props so we use pool noodles and pull calls

so we use pool noodles and pull calls

so we use pool noodles and pull calls and we’ll write different feeling states

and we’ll write different feeling states

and we’ll write different feeling states on the pool noodles different things

on the pool noodles different things

on the pool noodles different things they can move around the arena so the

they can move around the arena so the

they can move around the arena so the child or adolescent our family arrives

child or adolescent our family arrives

child or adolescent our family arrives to the arena and the first thing we say

to the arena and the first thing we say

to the arena and the first thing we say to them is go get to know the horses

to them is go get to know the horses

to them is go get to know the horses walk on time we looked at what do you

walk on time we looked at what do you

walk on time we looked at what do you mean go get to know the horses kids

mean go get to know the horses kids

mean go get to know the horses kids today are so pressured about wanting to

today are so pressured about wanting to

today are so pressured about wanting to do things right that an open-ended

do things right that an open-ended

do things right that an open-ended statement like that really we’ve noticed

statement like that really we’ve noticed

statement like that really we’ve noticed elicits a lot of anxiety for them

elicits a lot of anxiety for them

elicits a lot of anxiety for them because they’re like what am I supposed

because they’re like what am I supposed

because they’re like what am I supposed to do how am I supposed to do it and

to do how am I supposed to do it and

to do how am I supposed to do it and again we say them well however you know

again we say them well however you know

again we say them well however you know you want to do it it’s fine it’s about

you want to do it it’s fine it’s about

you want to do it it’s fine it’s about your experience so some of the kids

your experience so some of the kids

your experience so some of the kids initially might want to brush a horse or

initially might want to brush a horse or

initially might want to brush a horse or groom a horse and an added bonus of that

groom a horse and an added bonus of that

groom a horse and an added bonus of that is there’s been some studies that

is there’s been some studies that

is there’s been some studies that actually grooming a horse lowers the

actually grooming a horse lowers the

actually grooming a horse lowers the cortisol in our body

cortisol in our body

cortisol in our body which is our stress hormone so it’s

which is our stress hormone so it’s

which is our stress hormone so it’s naturally relaxing so I always get

naturally relaxing so I always get

naturally relaxing so I always get excited when I see a kid start to brush

excited when I see a kid start to brush

excited when I see a kid start to brush the horse at the beginning of the

the horse at the beginning of the

the horse at the beginning of the session I want to talk about one

session I want to talk about one

session I want to talk about one particular task that we’ve done in the

particular task that we’ve done in the

particular task that we’ve done in the sessions that’s really been very helpful

sessions that’s really been very helpful

sessions that’s really been very helpful for the kids in Newtown with the pool

for the kids in Newtown with the pool

for the kids in Newtown with the pool noodles we had asked the kids to build

noodles we had asked the kids to build

noodles we had asked the kids to build on the ground their house and then a

on the ground their house and then a

on the ground their house and then a path to their school and then we asked

path to their school and then we asked

path to their school and then we asked them to put different obstacles along

them to put different obstacles along

them to put different obstacles along the path and then they’re told they have

the path and then they’re told they have

the path and then they’re told they have to take the herd of horses to their

to take the herd of horses to their

to take the herd of horses to their house down the path into the school over

house down the path into the school over

house down the path into the school over the obstacles

the obstacles

the obstacles now since horses mirror human facial

now since horses mirror human facial

now since horses mirror human facial expression our body language how we’re

expression our body language how we’re

expression our body language how we’re feeling the horses will mirror what’s

feeling the horses will mirror what’s

feeling the horses will mirror what’s going on with the kid so the kid is

going on with the kid so the kid is

going on with the kid so the kid is anxious about going to school that

anxious about going to school that

anxious about going to school that they’re not gonna be able to get that

they’re not gonna be able to get that

they’re not gonna be able to get that horse down that pat that noodle path

horse down that pat that noodle path

horse down that pat that noodle path those horses are not going so it really

those horses are not going so it really

those horses are not going so it really elicits a great opportunity for the

elicits a great opportunity for the

elicits a great opportunity for the child then to process what their own

child then to process what their own

child then to process what their own obstacles are so when the child is

obstacles are so when the child is

obstacles are so when the child is anxious the horse is anxious if the

anxious the horse is anxious if the

anxious the horse is anxious if the child starts to feel better and

child starts to feel better and

child starts to feel better and empowered the horses feel empowered so

empowered the horses feel empowered so

empowered the horses feel empowered so it’s a very remarkable feeling for the

it’s a very remarkable feeling for the

it’s a very remarkable feeling for the for the child for the first time many of

for the child for the first time many of

for the child for the first time many of the kids were able to talk about what

the kids were able to talk about what

the kids were able to talk about what they heard saw on felts the day of the

they heard saw on felts the day of the

they heard saw on felts the day of the shooting so for them it was really

shooting so for them it was really

shooting so for them it was really transforming I want to talk about a

transforming I want to talk about a

transforming I want to talk about a particular horse I think he was in one

particular horse I think he was in one

particular horse I think he was in one of the slides you’ve seen he’s lived a

of the slides you’ve seen he’s lived a

of the slides you’ve seen he’s lived a little girl his name is Willy want to

little girl his name is Willy want to

little girl his name is Willy want to give him a shout-out tonight he’s

give him a shout-out tonight he’s

give him a shout-out tonight he’s missing an eye he had gotten infection

missing an eye he had gotten infection

missing an eye he had gotten infection and the eye was removed many years ago

and the eye was removed many years ago

and the eye was removed many years ago and he’s turned out to be one of the

and he’s turned out to be one of the

and he’s turned out to be one of the favorite horses of the children and the

favorite horses of the children and the

favorite horses of the children and the teens at first when they see him with

teens at first when they see him with

teens at first when they see him with the gaping part where the eye should be

the gaping part where the eye should be

the gaping part where the eye should be they get taken aback a bit but once they

they get taken aback a bit but once they

they get taken aback a bit but once they see his resilience and how he’s able to

see his resilience and how he’s able to

see his resilience and how he’s able to accomplish the task his resilience they

accomplish the task his resilience they

accomplish the task his resilience they feel the resilience as well so he’s been

feel the resilience as well so he’s been

feel the resilience as well so he’s been really a great horse for us to work with

really a great horse for us to work with

really a great horse for us to work with really I have to say I never thought

really I have to say I never thought

really I have to say I never thought that I would be

that I would be

that I would be fan of an alternative therapy but

fan of an alternative therapy but

fan of an alternative therapy but working with the kids and seeing the

working with the kids and seeing the

working with the kids and seeing the transformation has been nothing short of

transformation has been nothing short of

transformation has been nothing short of magical it’s been in an absolute honor

magical it’s been in an absolute honor

magical it’s been in an absolute honor to be part of the healing with the kids

to be part of the healing with the kids

to be part of the healing with the kids in my town and I’m forever grateful to

in my town and I’m forever grateful to

in my town and I’m forever grateful to the wonderful horses that have helped

the wonderful horses that have helped

the wonderful horses that have helped the kids and adolescents heal in Newtown

the kids and adolescents heal in Newtown

the kids and adolescents heal in Newtown thank you

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