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my dear good friends I am more than

my dear good friends I am more than pleased that I’m able to visit with thee

pleased that I’m able to visit with thee

pleased that I’m able to visit with thee but it appears I must begin with in

but it appears I must begin with in

but it appears I must begin with in apology as I look about the room Here I

apology as I look about the room Here I

apology as I look about the room Here I am finding myself in the wrong century

am finding myself in the wrong century

am finding myself in the wrong century my apologies but perhaps I shall begin

my apologies but perhaps I shall begin

my apologies but perhaps I shall begin for a moment at least owe thee a little

for a moment at least owe thee a little

for a moment at least owe thee a little bit about Who I am now most friends they

bit about Who I am now most friends they

bit about Who I am now most friends they shall remember me by the name Betsy Ross

shall remember me by the name Betsy Ross

shall remember me by the name Betsy Ross and they know me for making the flag of

and they know me for making the flag of

and they know me for making the flag of the United States of America wasn’t the

the United States of America wasn’t the

the United States of America wasn’t the first flag of our new nation I know not

first flag of our new nation I know not

first flag of our new nation I know not if that is true but I do know it was not

if that is true but I do know it was not

if that is true but I do know it was not the first time I had sown for Washington

the first time I had sown for Washington

the first time I had sown for Washington oh no I had already made bed hangings

oh no I had already made bed hangings

oh no I had already made bed hangings and bids for Washington all the goods of

and bids for Washington all the goods of

and bids for Washington all the goods of my trade as an upholsterer Washington

my trade as an upholsterer Washington

my trade as an upholsterer Washington knew my skill with my needle he trusted

knew my skill with my needle he trusted

knew my skill with my needle he trusted me to make a flag against England I was

me to make a flag against England I was

me to make a flag against England I was 24 years old at the time I am ever so

24 years old at the time I am ever so

24 years old at the time I am ever so much more than 24 now I am no longer

much more than 24 now I am no longer

much more than 24 now I am no longer called by the name Betsy Ross I am known

called by the name Betsy Ross I am known

called by the name Betsy Ross I am known as Betsy Claypool it is my third

as Betsy Claypool it is my third

as Betsy Claypool it is my third husband’s name but if I were to cross

husband’s name but if I were to cross

husband’s name but if I were to cross the centuries

the centuries

the centuries I am also known by another name and that

I am also known by another name and that

I am also known by another name and that name well that names perils faked

name well that names perils faked

name well that names perils faked I am a first-person interpreter I am a

I am a first-person interpreter I am a

I am a first-person interpreter I am a storyteller who makes history come alive

storyteller who makes history come alive

storyteller who makes history come alive by being Betsy now let me explain every

by being Betsy now let me explain every

by being Betsy now let me explain every year almost two hundred thousand people

year almost two hundred thousand people

year almost two hundred thousand people from across the world are going to visit

from across the world are going to visit

from across the world are going to visit the Betsy Ross house in Philadelphia

the Betsy Ross house in Philadelphia

the Betsy Ross house in Philadelphia they all want to learn about the flag of

they all want to learn about the flag of

they all want to learn about the flag of the United States of America and they

the United States of America and they

the United States of America and they all want to meet let’s say why where

all want to meet let’s say why where

all want to meet let’s say why where does the appeal of meeting a person from

does the appeal of meeting a person from

does the appeal of meeting a person from the past come from I mean do we blame it

the past come from I mean do we blame it

the past come from I mean do we blame it on the musical Hamilton please I hope

on the musical Hamilton please I hope

on the musical Hamilton please I hope not no the reality is that many many

not no the reality is that many many

not no the reality is that many many people are fascinated by the past they

people are fascinated by the past they

people are fascinated by the past they want to know about the good old days

want to know about the good old days

want to know about the good old days which really weren’t so good I mean do

which really weren’t so good I mean do

which really weren’t so good I mean do you like nice clean clothes well then

you like nice clean clothes well then

you like nice clean clothes well then try bleaching them with your end well

try bleaching them with your end well

try bleaching them with your end well preferably your own are you feeling

preferably your own are you feeling

preferably your own are you feeling under the weather today maybe the doctor

under the weather today maybe the doctor

under the weather today maybe the doctor will bleed you with leeches it’s

will bleed you with leeches it’s

will bleed you with leeches it’s surprising anyone survived the good old

surprising anyone survived the good old

surprising anyone survived the good old days but the past the past intrigues us

days but the past the past intrigues us

days but the past the past intrigues us so what does it mean to be a person from

so what does it mean to be a person from

so what does it mean to be a person from the past sometimes it’s easier to

the past sometimes it’s easier to

the past sometimes it’s easier to explain what a first-person interpreter

explain what a first-person interpreter

explain what a first-person interpreter is by explaining what a first-person

is by explaining what a first-person

is by explaining what a first-person interpreter is not or at least what we

interpreter is not or at least what we

interpreter is not or at least what we don’t want people to think we are

don’t want people to think we are

don’t want people to think we are first-person interpreter historic

first-person interpreter historic

first-person interpreter historic interpreter character interpreter all

interpreter character interpreter all

interpreter character interpreter all these names are pretty much

these names are pretty much

these names are pretty much interchangeable but please don’t call us

interchangeable but please don’t call us

interchangeable but please don’t call us impersonators leave that for Elvis well

impersonators leave that for Elvis well

impersonators leave that for Elvis well an impersonator is going to be an

an impersonator is going to be an

an impersonator is going to be an entertainer an interpreter is going to

entertainer an interpreter is going to

entertainer an interpreter is going to be an educator not that an interpreter

be an educator not that an interpreter

be an educator not that an interpreter should be a boring presentation no no

should be a boring presentation no no

should be a boring presentation no no but we don’t want to be considered as

but we don’t want to be considered as

but we don’t want to be considered as merely look-alikes who are nothing more

merely look-alikes who are nothing more

merely look-alikes who are nothing more than window dressing although

than window dressing although

than window dressing although if a first-person interpreter does look

if a first-person interpreter does look

if a first-person interpreter does look like the person they’re portraying

like the person they’re portraying

like the person they’re portraying that’s a bonus and i know three benjamin

that’s a bonus and i know three benjamin

that’s a bonus and i know three benjamin franklin’s who look like his portrait on

franklin’s who look like his portrait on

franklin’s who look like his portrait on the hundred dollar bill but no

the hundred dollar bill but no

the hundred dollar bill but no documented portrait of Betsy Ross exists

documented portrait of Betsy Ross exists

documented portrait of Betsy Ross exists we don’t know what she looked like

we don’t know what she looked like

we don’t know what she looked like family tradition says her eyes were blue

family tradition says her eyes were blue

family tradition says her eyes were blue and she was nicknamed the little rebel

and she was nicknamed the little rebel

and she was nicknamed the little rebel my eyes are blue and you don’t get much

my eyes are blue and you don’t get much

my eyes are blue and you don’t get much smaller than I am but there are also

smaller than I am but there are also

smaller than I am but there are also some people who seem to think that Betsy

some people who seem to think that Betsy

some people who seem to think that Betsy Ross isn’t a real person they think she

Ross isn’t a real person they think she

Ross isn’t a real person they think she didn’t exist and really she’s only a

didn’t exist and really she’s only a

didn’t exist and really she’s only a myth that is not true Betsy was born in

myth that is not true Betsy was born in

myth that is not true Betsy was born in 1752 she made bed curtains for George

1752 she made bed curtains for George

1752 she made bed curtains for George Washington in 1774 and musket cartridges

Washington in 1774 and musket cartridges

Washington in 1774 and musket cartridges for those guns of the Continental Army

for those guns of the Continental Army

for those guns of the Continental Army in 1777 Betsy was a real woman so a

in 1777 Betsy was a real woman so a

in 1777 Betsy was a real woman so a historic interpreter is going to

historic interpreter is going to

historic interpreter is going to research a real person from the past and

research a real person from the past and

research a real person from the past and they’re going to share the perspective

they’re going to share the perspective

they’re going to share the perspective of that person to educate the public yes

of that person to educate the public yes

of that person to educate the public yes we want to dress like the person we want

we want to dress like the person we want

we want to dress like the person we want to speak like the person we want to

to speak like the person we want to

to speak like the person we want to behave the mannerisms of that person if

behave the mannerisms of that person if

behave the mannerisms of that person if they’re known but if they’re not known

they’re known but if they’re not known

they’re known but if they’re not known we’re going to fill in the gaps with

we’re going to fill in the gaps with

we’re going to fill in the gaps with what is historically known about people

what is historically known about people

what is historically known about people from that time plausible possibilities

from that time plausible possibilities

from that time plausible possibilities but a first-person interpreter can never

but a first-person interpreter can never

but a first-person interpreter can never be another person nobody can ever be

be another person nobody can ever be

be another person nobody can ever be another person thankfully we’re going to

another person thankfully we’re going to

another person thankfully we’re going to be interpreting a person from the past

be interpreting a person from the past

be interpreting a person from the past to give an experience of living history

to give an experience of living history

to give an experience of living history it’s an experience of what if

it’s an experience of what if

it’s an experience of what if what if you had a chance to talk to

what if you had a chance to talk to

what if you had a chance to talk to George Washington to Benjamin Franklin

George Washington to Benjamin Franklin

George Washington to Benjamin Franklin to Betsy Ross what would you ask them

to Betsy Ross what would you ask them

to Betsy Ross what would you ask them people ask me lots of questions when I’m

people ask me lots of questions when I’m

people ask me lots of questions when I’m portraying Betsy I’ve helped to identify

portraying Betsy I’ve helped to identify

portraying Betsy I’ve helped to identify the most frequently asked questions

the most frequently asked questions

the most frequently asked questions there are more than 75 questions that’s

there are more than 75 questions that’s

there are more than 75 questions that’s because people are curious about the

because people are curious about the

because people are curious about the past I’d mind you I’m not afraid to

past I’d mind you I’m not afraid to

past I’d mind you I’m not afraid to answer their questions even personal

answer their questions even personal

answer their questions even personal questions as Betsy wasn’t it against

questions as Betsy wasn’t it against

questions as Betsy wasn’t it against your Quaker faith to make a flag yes but

your Quaker faith to make a flag yes but

your Quaker faith to make a flag yes but was also treason against England how did

was also treason against England how did

was also treason against England how did your husband die which which has been

how could a woman own her own shop I was

how could a woman own her own shop I was a widow and therefore all choices were

a widow and therefore all choices were

a widow and therefore all choices were legally my own when we imaginatively

legally my own when we imaginatively

legally my own when we imaginatively encounter a person from the past

encounter a person from the past

encounter a person from the past we often consciously or subconsciously

we often consciously or subconsciously

we often consciously or subconsciously compare ourselves to the attributes and

compare ourselves to the attributes and

compare ourselves to the attributes and the accomplishments of that person would

the accomplishments of that person would

the accomplishments of that person would I be as brave would bite I be as

I be as brave would bite I be as

I be as brave would bite I be as courageous when I make the same choices

courageous when I make the same choices

courageous when I make the same choices could I make better choices by the end

could I make better choices by the end

could I make better choices by the end of her life Betsy was blind not NIF

of her life Betsy was blind not NIF

of her life Betsy was blind not NIF truth she had made hundreds of flags

truth she had made hundreds of flags

truth she had made hundreds of flags truth not myth

truth not myth

truth not myth it’s always very special to me when

it’s always very special to me when

it’s always very special to me when people with visual impairments will

people with visual impairments will

people with visual impairments will visit Betsy’s upholstery shop I

visit Betsy’s upholstery shop I

visit Betsy’s upholstery shop I encourage them to touch the cloth that’s

encourage them to touch the cloth that’s

encourage them to touch the cloth that’s going to be sewn into a flag or bed

going to be sewn into a flag or bed

going to be sewn into a flag or bed hangings and to feel the fibers from

hangings and to feel the fibers from

hangings and to feel the fibers from which that cloth is made a tangible

which that cloth is made a tangible

which that cloth is made a tangible experience of history that transcends

experience of history that transcends

experience of history that transcends the boundaries of time and place

the boundaries of time and place

the boundaries of time and place now many families with children are

now many families with children are

now many families with children are going to visit Betsy and the children

going to visit Betsy and the children

going to visit Betsy and the children are very often studying about Betsy

are very often studying about Betsy

are very often studying about Betsy Russell school they’re writing reports

Russell school they’re writing reports

Russell school they’re writing reports they’re even portraying Betsy and

they’re even portraying Betsy and

they’re even portraying Betsy and biographical wax museums I remember one

biographical wax museums I remember one

biographical wax museums I remember one particular mother who came to visit with

particular mother who came to visit with

particular mother who came to visit with her two young daughters so eight years

her two young daughters so eight years

her two young daughters so eight years old

old

old ten years old and at this age the

ten years old and at this age the

ten years old and at this age the children are in awe of meeting somebody

children are in awe of meeting somebody

children are in awe of meeting somebody that they are learning about in school

that they are learning about in school

that they are learning about in school and these young girls were no different

and these young girls were no different

and these young girls were no different Betsy began to tell her story about

Betsy began to tell her story about

Betsy began to tell her story about making a flag a family story an oral

making a flag a family story an oral

making a flag a family story an oral tradition that has been passed down

tradition that has been passed down

tradition that has been passed down through generations that’s he asked a

through generations that’s he asked a

through generations that’s he asked a simple question does the knew the name

simple question does the knew the name

simple question does the knew the name of the man who wanted me to make a flag

of the man who wanted me to make a flag

of the man who wanted me to make a flag now the girls hesitated it was quite

now the girls hesitated it was quite

now the girls hesitated it was quite obvious from their expressions if they

obvious from their expressions if they

obvious from their expressions if they were entirely involved but they were not

were entirely involved but they were not

were entirely involved but they were not so sure what to think about this small

so sure what to think about this small

so sure what to think about this small woman dressed in unusual clothing and

woman dressed in unusual clothing and

woman dressed in unusual clothing and speaking with those unfamiliar words the

speaking with those unfamiliar words the

speaking with those unfamiliar words the vowels I instead of you and you’re the

vowels I instead of you and you’re the

vowels I instead of you and you’re the mother where she looked at her daughters

mother where she looked at her daughters

mother where she looked at her daughters and she realized that they were

and she realized that they were

and she realized that they were awestruck but with some encouragement

awestruck but with some encouragement

awestruck but with some encouragement they remembered the name who the man who

they remembered the name who the man who

they remembered the name who the man who would later be our first President of

would later be our first President of

would later be our first President of the United States why this Trez indeed

the United States why this Trez indeed

the United States why this Trez indeed George Washington who would it me to

George Washington who would it me to

George Washington who would it me to bake a flag yeah and then Betsy unfurled

bake a flag yeah and then Betsy unfurled

bake a flag yeah and then Betsy unfurled the flag giving each girl a corner to

the flag giving each girl a corner to

the flag giving each girl a corner to hold does they know the number

hold does they know the number

hold does they know the number of stripes upon the flag a small voice

of stripes upon the flag a small voice

of stripes upon the flag a small voice answered 12 the mother groaned she was a

answered 12 the mother groaned she was a

answered 12 the mother groaned she was a little bit embarrassed well perhaps it

little bit embarrassed well perhaps it

little bit embarrassed well perhaps it should be best if we count the stripes

should be best if we count the stripes

should be best if we count the stripes together and Counting with Betsy the

together and Counting with Betsy the

together and Counting with Betsy the proper number of stripes were soon

proper number of stripes were soon

proper number of stripes were soon determined yes there are 13 stripes one

determined yes there are 13 stripes one

determined yes there are 13 stripes one for each of the 13 colonies and then

for each of the 13 colonies and then

for each of the 13 colonies and then very soon those girls became eager

very soon those girls became eager

very soon those girls became eager participants in Betsy’s story as she

participants in Betsy’s story as she

participants in Betsy’s story as she began to tell them about the stars of

began to tell them about the stars of

began to tell them about the stars of the flag I shall lay no claim to having

the flag I shall lay no claim to having

the flag I shall lay no claim to having designed the flag of the United States I

designed the flag of the United States I

designed the flag of the United States I did not choose the 13 stars or the 13

did not choose the 13 stars or the 13

did not choose the 13 stars or the 13 stripes Washington brought it rolling

stripes Washington brought it rolling

stripes Washington brought it rolling but I did indeed change the Stars

but I did indeed change the Stars

but I did indeed change the Stars Washington had wondered six pointed

Washington had wondered six pointed

Washington had wondered six pointed stars upon the flag yet I told him a

stars upon the flag yet I told him a

stars upon the flag yet I told him a five-pointed star would be better and

five-pointed star would be better and

five-pointed star would be better and then showed him that I would be able to

then showed him that I would be able to

then showed him that I would be able to make a five pointed star so simply so

make a five pointed star so simply so

make a five pointed star so simply so easily with only several folds to my

easily with only several folds to my

easily with only several folds to my cloth as I’ve just done with his bit of

cloth as I’ve just done with his bit of

cloth as I’ve just done with his bit of paper and when all is completed I shall

paper and when all is completed I shall

paper and when all is completed I shall snip that cloth but once and a star

snip that cloth but once and a star

snip that cloth but once and a star shall surely be created children which

shall surely be created children which

shall surely be created children which is my contribution woman’s contribution

is my contribution woman’s contribution

is my contribution woman’s contribution to the flag take it home and let

to the flag take it home and let

to the flag take it home and let everyone know – as Betsy who gave it to

everyone know – as Betsy who gave it to

everyone know – as Betsy who gave it to them

now you have to understand as an

now you have to understand as an interpreter I am really going to know

interpreter I am really going to know

interpreter I am really going to know what happens after people encounter

what happens after people encounter

what happens after people encounter Betsy in her shop I always hope that I

Betsy in her shop I always hope that I

Betsy in her shop I always hope that I have opened the door to the past in

have opened the door to the past in

have opened the door to the past in people’s minds and that they’re going to

people’s minds and that they’re going to

people’s minds and that they’re going to think a little bit differently about

think a little bit differently about

think a little bit differently about what it would have been like to live in

what it would have been like to live in

what it would have been like to live in another time and when it comes to

another time and when it comes to

another time and when it comes to children who are experiencing living

children who are experiencing living

children who are experiencing living history I hope that parents and teachers

history I hope that parents and teachers

history I hope that parents and teachers are going to use that open door as a

are going to use that open door as a

are going to use that open door as a springboard to further discussion

springboard to further discussion

springboard to further discussion discussion about important issues how

discussion about important issues how

discussion about important issues how hard it is to stand up and make choices

hard it is to stand up and make choices

hard it is to stand up and make choices that you believe in how difficult it was

that you believe in how difficult it was

that you believe in how difficult it was and can be for women to live and work

and can be for women to live and work

and can be for women to live and work independently what the flag symbolizes

independently what the flag symbolizes

independently what the flag symbolizes to the citizens of a free country

to the citizens of a free country

to the citizens of a free country important discussions now for those two

important discussions now for those two

important discussions now for those two young girls in my story the ones who

young girls in my story the ones who

young girls in my story the ones who said that there were 12 stripes on the

said that there were 12 stripes on the

said that there were 12 stripes on the flag I’m fairly sure those discussions

flag I’m fairly sure those discussions

flag I’m fairly sure those discussions occurred afterwards because you might

occurred afterwards because you might

occurred afterwards because you might recognize the name of their mother

recognize the name of their mother

recognize the name of their mother Michelle Obama

but truthfully it wasn’t her role at

but truthfully it wasn’t her role at that time as the First Lady of the

that time as the First Lady of the

that time as the First Lady of the United States that’s important to the

United States that’s important to the

United States that’s important to the story what is important that our mother

story what is important that our mother

story what is important that our mother and her daughter’s like thousands of

and her daughter’s like thousands of

and her daughter’s like thousands of other people who experience living

other people who experience living

other people who experience living history had a personal encounter with

history had a personal encounter with

history had a personal encounter with the past and for one small moment of

the past and for one small moment of

the past and for one small moment of time the past became real by meeting

time the past became real by meeting

time the past became real by meeting that same our perspectives change when

that same our perspectives change when

that same our perspectives change when we experience the stories of the past we

we experience the stories of the past we

we experience the stories of the past we begin to own our history how does the

begin to own our history how does the

begin to own our history how does the past relate to me my responsibility as a

past relate to me my responsibility as a

past relate to me my responsibility as a first person interpreter is to spark the

first person interpreter is to spark the

first person interpreter is to spark the fire hoping others will fan the flame so

fire hoping others will fan the flame so

fire hoping others will fan the flame so the warmth of that fire will spread

the warmth of that fire will spread

the warmth of that fire will spread through the mists of time sometimes as I

through the mists of time sometimes as I

through the mists of time sometimes as I shall be in my shop suing I cannot help

shall be in my shop suing I cannot help

shall be in my shop suing I cannot help but to dream about what our nation shall

but to dream about what our nation shall

but to dream about what our nation shall be like in the future I do hope all

be like in the future I do hope all

be like in the future I do hope all those friends will always respect the

those friends will always respect the

those friends will always respect the flag for it is indeed a symbol of

flag for it is indeed a symbol of

flag for it is indeed a symbol of freedom sown with sacrifice I have told

freedom sown with sacrifice I have told

freedom sown with sacrifice I have told my story to my children I now tell my

my story to my children I now tell my

my story to my children I now tell my story to my grandchildren who shall my

story to my grandchildren who shall my

story to my grandchildren who shall my grandchildren – I do not know

but I do know that when the stories of

but I do know that when the stories of the past and the people of the past

the past and the people of the past

the past and the people of the past become personal to us then they become

become personal to us then they become

become personal to us then they become real to us and relevant to our lives

real to us and relevant to our lives

real to us and relevant to our lives it’s only when we understand the past

it’s only when we understand the past

it’s only when we understand the past that the past will begin to enlighten

that the past will begin to enlighten

that the past will begin to enlighten our future and I shall indeed be the

our future and I shall indeed be the

our future and I shall indeed be the peace good friends

peace good friends

peace good friends [Applause]

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