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Navigating Digital Presence | Jakob Balslev | TEDxCopenhagenSalon


and I am wearing a full-body suit

and I am wearing a full-body suit jumpsuit I know you’re a little bit

jumpsuit I know you’re a little bit

jumpsuit I know you’re a little bit jealous right now already there’s a good

jealous right now already there’s a good

jealous right now already there’s a good reason I’m wearing this and I’m gonna

reason I’m wearing this and I’m gonna

reason I’m wearing this and I’m gonna tell you at some point but I’d like to

tell you at some point but I’d like to

tell you at some point but I’d like to start somewhere else I’d like to start

start somewhere else I’d like to start

start somewhere else I’d like to start where you are this picture behind me

where you are this picture behind me

where you are this picture behind me which is my graduation show from the

which is my graduation show from the

which is my graduation show from the National Film School of Denmark in 2012

National Film School of Denmark in 2012

National Film School of Denmark in 2012 we had built this giant studio with a

we had built this giant studio with a

we had built this giant studio with a forest in it and we had invited a lot of

forest in it and we had invited a lot of

forest in it and we had invited a lot of children to sit in this forest and then

children to sit in this forest and then

children to sit in this forest and then we told them to watch an animated film

we told them to watch an animated film

we told them to watch an animated film like frozen or any other film they

like frozen or any other film they

like frozen or any other film they watched in the cinema but there was one

watched in the cinema but there was one

watched in the cinema but there was one difference with our film the characters

difference with our film the characters

difference with our film the characters in the film actually saw the children I

in the film actually saw the children I

in the film actually saw the children I could interact so whatever the children

could interact so whatever the children

could interact so whatever the children did the characters could actually see

did the characters could actually see

did the characters could actually see that because we had actors standing in

that because we had actors standing in

that because we had actors standing in another room controlling them and seeing

another room controlling them and seeing

another room controlling them and seeing them and listening to them so every show

them and listening to them so every show

them and listening to them so every show was unique and adapted to the children

was unique and adapted to the children

was unique and adapted to the children audience at that specific day so it went

audience at that specific day so it went

audience at that specific day so it went well everyone were happy but at one

well everyone were happy but at one

well everyone were happy but at one point during the show something happened

point during the show something happened

point during the show something happened that we didn’t plan with because this

that we didn’t plan with because this

that we didn’t plan with because this little boy he suddenly just stood up and

little boy he suddenly just stood up and

little boy he suddenly just stood up and then he started walking so what’s the

then he started walking so what’s the

then he started walking so what’s the screen and then he just tried to enter

screen and then he just tried to enter

screen and then he just tried to enter that imaginary world and so we wanted

that imaginary world and so we wanted

that imaginary world and so we wanted them to interact of course but we did

them to interact of course but we did

them to interact of course but we did not really expect them to sort of jump

not really expect them to sort of jump

not really expect them to sort of jump into this animated world so we thought

into this animated world so we thought

into this animated world so we thought wow ok what to do the actor is somehow

wow ok what to do the actor is somehow

wow ok what to do the actor is somehow guided him back to his seat and finished

guided him back to his seat and finished

guided him back to his seat and finished the show but this experience really

the show but this experience really

the show but this experience really stuck with me this was this was all I

stuck with me this was this was all I

stuck with me this was this was all I remembered after that show so after the

remembered after that show so after the

remembered after that show so after the show I tried to find out so who was this

show I tried to find out so who was this

show I tried to find out so who was this boy who completely forgot everything

boy who completely forgot everything

boy who completely forgot everything around him I mean he obviously didn’t

around him I mean he obviously didn’t

around him I mean he obviously didn’t really care that people were watching he

really care that people were watching he

really care that people were watching he wasn’t afraid so I found that he is

wasn’t afraid so I found that he is

wasn’t afraid so I found that he is autistic he is suffering from autism he

autistic he is suffering from autism he

autistic he is suffering from autism he can’t normally relate or open up to any

can’t normally relate or open up to any

can’t normally relate or open up to any any other humans so he’s afraid of eye

any other humans so he’s afraid of eye

any other humans so he’s afraid of eye contact and the human smile that changes

contact and the human smile that changes

contact and the human smile that changes every time somehow when confronted with

every time somehow when confronted with

every time somehow when confronted with this animated world that we created he

this animated world that we created he

this animated world that we created he felt safe

felt safe

felt safe and he actually felt that he could

and he actually felt that he could

and he actually felt that he could interact he wanted to interact he did

interact he wanted to interact he did

interact he wanted to interact he did something his family had never seen him

something his family had never seen him

something his family had never seen him do before which was take initiative to a

do before which was take initiative to a

do before which was take initiative to a conversation just walk up there so that

conversation just walk up there so that

conversation just walk up there so that was completely mind-blowing for me and

was completely mind-blowing for me and

was completely mind-blowing for me and for the whole team we were filmed guys

for the whole team we were filmed guys

for the whole team we were filmed guys and we just wanted to make a fun

and we just wanted to make a fun

and we just wanted to make a fun experience and now we thought if we

experience and now we thought if we

experience and now we thought if we could put a therapist inside and animate

could put a therapist inside and animate

could put a therapist inside and animate a character we might be able to make

a character we might be able to make

a character we might be able to make these children speak about things that

these children speak about things that

these children speak about things that they wouldn’t normally speak about and

they wouldn’t normally speak about and

they wouldn’t normally speak about and open up the sides that they wouldn’t

open up the sides that they wouldn’t

open up the sides that they wouldn’t tell another human being so I mean how

tell another human being so I mean how

tell another human being so I mean how powerful was that that was just a

powerful was that that was just a

powerful was that that was just a completely new direction we were already

completely new direction we were already

completely new direction we were already so amazed that of all the possibilities

so amazed that of all the possibilities

so amazed that of all the possibilities that this concept open up about but this

that this concept open up about but this

that this concept open up about but this we had to go for this one challenge

we had to go for this one challenge

we had to go for this one challenge though one big literally big challenge

though one big literally big challenge

though one big literally big challenge which is this so this is a motion

which is this so this is a motion

which is this so this is a motion capture studio this is what you use to

capture studio this is what you use to

capture studio this is what you use to record the movements of humans and put

record the movements of humans and put

record the movements of humans and put onto animated characters so we had our

onto animated characters so we had our

onto animated characters so we had our actors standing in a room like this

actors standing in a room like this

actors standing in a room like this behind the scenes so a lot of cameras

behind the scenes so a lot of cameras

behind the scenes so a lot of cameras filming these markers you have on your

filming these markers you have on your

filming these markers you have on your body when three cameras can see a marker

body when three cameras can see a marker

body when three cameras can see a marker it can place it in the room but you need

it can place it in the room but you need

it can place it in the room but you need tons of space you need millions of

tons of space you need millions of

tons of space you need millions of dollars worth of equipment you have to

dollars worth of equipment you have to

dollars worth of equipment you have to have an army of tech people that know

have an army of tech people that know

have an army of tech people that know stuff that I don’t know anything about

stuff that I don’t know anything about

stuff that I don’t know anything about to set it up and you can only be within

to set it up and you can only be within

to set it up and you can only be within reach of these cameras so we had to

reach of these cameras so we had to

reach of these cameras so we had to invent our own and I sat there with the

invent our own and I sat there with the

invent our own and I sat there with the team after the show and said what I mean

team after the show and said what I mean

team after the show and said what I mean what can we do we were this one engineer

what can we do we were this one engineer

what can we do we were this one engineer one philosopher one film guy and then

one philosopher one film guy and then

one philosopher one film guy and then our friend Amos who was working on

our friend Amos who was working on

our friend Amos who was working on modeling the characters he’s sort of a

modeling the characters he’s sort of a

modeling the characters he’s sort of a self-taught engineer he had this idea he

self-taught engineer he had this idea he

self-taught engineer he had this idea he said I mean we might be with the six

said I mean we might be with the six

said I mean we might be with the six sensors like you have in your cell phone

sensors like you have in your cell phone

sensors like you have in your cell phone and then just replace all these markers

and then just replace all these markers

and then just replace all these markers with sensors and then I think you might

with sensors and then I think you might

with sensors and then I think you might be able to put that entire studio on

be able to put that entire studio on

be able to put that entire studio on your body in a suit sounds good do we

your body in a suit sounds good do we

your body in a suit sounds good do we know do we know how

know do we know how

know do we know how you had some ideas that’s and so long

you had some ideas that’s and so long

you had some ideas that’s and so long story short couple years later we kind

story short couple years later we kind

story short couple years later we kind of did it so now I can finally tell you

of did it so now I can finally tell you

of did it so now I can finally tell you why I’m wearing this funny suit I am

why I’m wearing this funny suit I am

why I’m wearing this funny suit I am wearing on my body

wearing on my body

wearing on my body everything you see in that picture

everything you see in that picture

everything you see in that picture behind me and if we’re really lucky I

behind me and if we’re really lucky I

behind me and if we’re really lucky I might actually be able to show you how

might actually be able to show you how

might actually be able to show you how it works so I just have to I put my head

it works so I just have to I put my head

it works so I just have to I put my head on so I have to straighten myself out

on so I have to straighten myself out

on so I have to straighten myself out for a couple of seconds and then I

for a couple of seconds and then I

for a couple of seconds and then I should be able to do a motion capture so

should be able to do a motion capture so

should be able to do a motion capture so right now I am controlling this guy and

right now I am controlling this guy and

right now I am controlling this guy and there are no cameras no nothing only

there are no cameras no nothing only

there are no cameras no nothing only sensors on my body yeah and if I wanted

sensors on my body yeah and if I wanted

sensors on my body yeah and if I wanted to be a frog I could do like this and

to be a frog I could do like this and

to be a frog I could do like this and I’m a frog Hey

I’m a frog Hey

I’m a frog Hey and if I wanted to be in a forest I

and if I wanted to be in a forest I

and if I wanted to be in a forest I could do like this so basically

could do like this so basically

could do like this so basically everything we wanted to do was solved in

everything we wanted to do was solved in

everything we wanted to do was solved in an instant if you know how to put on

an instant if you know how to put on

an instant if you know how to put on your clothes you know how to set the

your clothes you know how to set the

your clothes you know how to set the system up so most of us should be okay

system up so most of us should be okay

system up so most of us should be okay um so what we did was invent something

um so what we did was invent something

um so what we did was invent something that was intuitive to everybody

that was intuitive to everybody

that was intuitive to everybody forwardable to everybody and you can use

forwardable to everybody and you can use

forwardable to everybody and you can use it anywhere so with this invention we

it anywhere so with this invention we

it anywhere so with this invention we thought well we could actually maybe

thought well we could actually maybe

thought well we could actually maybe zucchini concentrate what do I do

zucchini concentrate what do I do

zucchini concentrate what do I do I can do like this

all right let’s maybe go to the other

all right let’s maybe go to the other screen now so basically we had

screen now so basically we had

screen now so basically we had reinvented this technology all we did

reinvented this technology all we did

reinvented this technology all we did was make it intuitive and easy to use

was make it intuitive and easy to use

was make it intuitive and easy to use and then tons of ideas came out of it

and then tons of ideas came out of it

and then tons of ideas came out of it so we thought well I mean we should give

so we thought well I mean we should give

so we thought well I mean we should give this to everybody so we started making

this to everybody so we started making

this to everybody so we started making these suits and selling them to a lot of

these suits and selling them to a lot of

these suits and selling them to a lot of people all over the world and in this

people all over the world and in this

people all over the world and in this process I sort of started thinking well

process I sort of started thinking well

process I sort of started thinking well I mean which is my general question

I mean which is my general question

I mean which is my general question today that I want to share with you we

today that I want to share with you we

today that I want to share with you we are interacting with the digital world

are interacting with the digital world

are interacting with the digital world all the time

all the time

all the time it’s becoming such a natural part of our

it’s becoming such a natural part of our

it’s becoming such a natural part of our lives why are we still interacting with

lives why are we still interacting with

lives why are we still interacting with it in such an unnatural way we have so I

it in such an unnatural way we have so I

it in such an unnatural way we have so I understand that generations before us

understand that generations before us

understand that generations before us like this nice lady she doesn’t really

like this nice lady she doesn’t really

like this nice lady she doesn’t really stand a chance I mean she so she has had

stand a chance I mean she so she has had

stand a chance I mean she so she has had to relearn this again and again and

to relearn this again and again and

to relearn this again and again and again at at some point I mean fair

again at at some point I mean fair

again at at some point I mean fair enough I don’t I don’t know so but my

enough I don’t I don’t know so but my

enough I don’t I don’t know so but my generation I mean we came I mean I was

generation I mean we came I mean I was

generation I mean we came I mean I was brought up with this I know what this is

brought up with this I know what this is

brought up with this I know what this is it it’s not into it I mean is this like

it it’s not into it I mean is this like

it it’s not into it I mean is this like sitting in front of a computer like this

sitting in front of a computer like this

sitting in front of a computer like this is that intuitive or clicking a mouse

is that intuitive or clicking a mouse

is that intuitive or clicking a mouse like this or even standing with

like this or even standing with

like this or even standing with joysticks like this I mean it’s it’s not

joysticks like this I mean it’s it’s not

joysticks like this I mean it’s it’s not really logical if you think of it and

really logical if you think of it and

really logical if you think of it and companies like Apple for instance

companies like Apple for instance

companies like Apple for instance reinvented Siri it’s a voice recognition

reinvented Siri it’s a voice recognition

reinvented Siri it’s a voice recognition you can speak to your computer that is

you can speak to your computer that is

you can speak to your computer that is nice and that is actually something that

nice and that is actually something that

nice and that is actually something that she would understand so come into a room

she would understand so come into a room

she would understand so come into a room you just speak to the computer like

you just speak to the computer like

you just speak to the computer like you’re speaking to all your friends

you’re speaking to all your friends

you’re speaking to all your friends that’s intuitive but what about the body

that’s intuitive but what about the body

that’s intuitive but what about the body I mean how do you interact with it so

I mean how do you interact with it so

I mean how do you interact with it so the pioneers of virtual reality

the pioneers of virtual reality

the pioneers of virtual reality reinvents at the screen there I mean if

reinvents at the screen there I mean if

reinvents at the screen there I mean if you you put snowboard goggles on your

you you put snowboard goggles on your

you you put snowboard goggles on your head and then you can look in any

head and then you can look in any

head and then you can look in any direction you want completely

direction you want completely

direction you want completely intuitively you choose what you focus on

intuitively you choose what you focus on

intuitively you choose what you focus on and win that’s nice

and win that’s nice

and win that’s nice it didn’t reinvent mouse and keyboard so

it didn’t reinvent mouse and keyboard so

it didn’t reinvent mouse and keyboard so you’re still I mean you can look

you’re still I mean you can look

you’re still I mean you can look anywhere we’re still saying like this I

anywhere we’re still saying like this I

anywhere we’re still saying like this I mean you need that last point you need

mean you need that last point you need

mean you need that last point you need to be able to stand

to be able to stand

to be able to stand and actually take part and I think for

and actually take part and I think for

and actually take part and I think for many of us it’s not really I mean versus

many of us it’s not really I mean versus

many of us it’s not really I mean versus the Nintendo Wii I don’t know if you

the Nintendo Wii I don’t know if you

the Nintendo Wii I don’t know if you remember that so these you have these

remember that so these you have these

remember that so these you have these white control I bought one so don’t

white control I bought one so don’t

white control I bought one so don’t worry it’s you you bought those

worry it’s you you bought those

worry it’s you you bought those controllers and then you were told you

controllers and then you were told you

controllers and then you were told you can play tennis or golf in your living

can play tennis or golf in your living

can play tennis or golf in your living room and then you just really like went

room and then you just really like went

room and then you just really like went for it and like like topspin and I can

for it and like like topspin and I can

for it and like like topspin and I can slice and then you found out I mean just

slice and then you found out I mean just

slice and then you found out I mean just thing like this it was basically maybe

thing like this it was basically maybe

thing like this it was basically maybe better I mean no wonder you lazy its

better I mean no wonder you lazy its

better I mean no wonder you lazy its yeah so that didn’t make any sense and

yeah so that didn’t make any sense and

yeah so that didn’t make any sense and the thing is if you have only two inputs

the thing is if you have only two inputs

the thing is if you have only two inputs only things in your hand what about the

only things in your hand what about the

only things in your hand what about the rest I mean then we would all look the

rest I mean then we would all look the

rest I mean then we would all look the same

same

same everyone in this room would look the

everyone in this room would look the

everyone in this room would look the same we’re all looked completely alike

same we’re all looked completely alike

same we’re all looked completely alike which is not I mean it’s not good enough

which is not I mean it’s not good enough

which is not I mean it’s not good enough I mean Mike so I’m wearing this suit a

I mean Mike so I’m wearing this suit a

I mean Mike so I’m wearing this suit a lot and I jump around as a frog pretty

lot and I jump around as a frog pretty

lot and I jump around as a frog pretty much every day in meetings and sometimes

much every day in meetings and sometimes

much every day in meetings and sometimes so my wife was here today sees me in the

so my wife was here today sees me in the

so my wife was here today sees me in the suit but you also sometimes sees me as a

suit but you also sometimes sees me as a

suit but you also sometimes sees me as a frog without me in the room and she can

frog without me in the room and she can

frog without me in the room and she can recognize be instantly I mean she could

recognize be instantly I mean she could

recognize be instantly I mean she could pick me out of a line of a thousand

pick me out of a line of a thousand

pick me out of a line of a thousand frogs in a second so you say that’s it

frogs in a second so you say that’s it

frogs in a second so you say that’s it because she knows exactly how I’m

because she knows exactly how I’m

because she knows exactly how I’m standing and of course I mean you can’t

standing and of course I mean you can’t

standing and of course I mean you can’t hide how you move in the real world I

hide how you move in the real world I

hide how you move in the real world I mean why would you you you need that

mean why would you you you need that

mean why would you you you need that level of accuracy but so what is it

level of accuracy but so what is it

level of accuracy but so what is it that’s missing it’s I think in the

that’s missing it’s I think in the

that’s missing it’s I think in the digital interaction it’s pretty basic

digital interaction it’s pretty basic

digital interaction it’s pretty basic things it’s like empathy how are you

things it’s like empathy how are you

things it’s like empathy how are you gonna get empathy if you don’t really

gonna get empathy if you don’t really

gonna get empathy if you don’t really see if you don’t know if people are

see if you don’t know if people are

see if you don’t know if people are really there I mean and what do you do

really there I mean and what do you do

really there I mean and what do you do about prefer presence is a term that I

about prefer presence is a term that I

about prefer presence is a term that I study a lot I’m really fascinated with

study a lot I’m really fascinated with

study a lot I’m really fascinated with this how do you get presence in a room

this how do you get presence in a room

this how do you get presence in a room where you’re not actually there so I

where you’re not actually there so I

where you’re not actually there so I read this study about presence which is

read this study about presence which is

read this study about presence which is so how in virtual reality how do you

so how in virtual reality how do you

so how in virtual reality how do you feel present in a virtual room and what

feel present in a virtual room and what

feel present in a virtual room and what they found out was

they found out was

they found out was you could stand in the most

you could stand in the most

you could stand in the most photorealistic perfect room that looks

photorealistic perfect room that looks

photorealistic perfect room that looks exactly like nature and still feel just

exactly like nature and still feel just

exactly like nature and still feel just an observer I mean you’re just watching

an observer I mean you’re just watching

an observer I mean you’re just watching you’re not present but as soon as you

you’re not present but as soon as you

you’re not present but as soon as you have to do something there as soon as

have to do something there as soon as

have to do something there as soon as you have to grab something then you feel

you have to grab something then you feel

you have to grab something then you feel present and as soon as you have to

present and as soon as you have to

present and as soon as you have to interact with someone and if they even

interact with someone and if they even

interact with someone and if they even look a little bit like a human if you

look a little bit like a human if you

look a little bit like a human if you know there’s someone in there right now

know there’s someone in there right now

know there’s someone in there right now then you feel present you could be

then you feel present you could be

then you feel present you could be standing in an infinite white room I

standing in an infinite white room I

standing in an infinite white room I mean nothing like anything on earth but

mean nothing like anything on earth but

mean nothing like anything on earth but as long as you have that kind of

as long as you have that kind of

as long as you have that kind of interaction then you feel present and of

interaction then you feel present and of

interaction then you feel present and of course I mean you can’t when you’re

course I mean you can’t when you’re

course I mean you can’t when you’re outside you want you wanna feel I mean

outside you want you wanna feel I mean

outside you want you wanna feel I mean it’s comfortable knowing how people move

it’s comfortable knowing how people move

it’s comfortable knowing how people move and so we’re cheating so much in the way

and so we’re cheating so much in the way

and so we’re cheating so much in the way we interact in the digital world I have

we interact in the digital world I have

we interact in the digital world I have so this other day I was sending a text

so this other day I was sending a text

so this other day I was sending a text message to one of my friends so he wrote

message to one of my friends so he wrote

message to one of my friends so he wrote me probably something really stupid and

me probably something really stupid and

me probably something really stupid and then I responded with this modak like

then I responded with this modak like

then I responded with this modak like emoji that was crying with joy I mean

emoji that was crying with joy I mean

emoji that was crying with joy I mean like crying I mean laughing so hard that

like crying I mean laughing so hard that

like crying I mean laughing so hard that he was crying and I was sending it

he was crying and I was sending it

he was crying and I was sending it wasn’t even laughing I was just sending

wasn’t even laughing I was just sending

wasn’t even laughing I was just sending it so I mean I was crying with joy is if

it so I mean I was crying with joy is if

it so I mean I was crying with joy is if he was sitting opposite me he could

he was sitting opposite me he could

he was sitting opposite me he could probably see that I wasn’t even laughing

probably see that I wasn’t even laughing

probably see that I wasn’t even laughing so I mean is that lying is that okay

so I mean is that lying is that okay

so I mean is that lying is that okay it’s at least it’s another kind of

it’s at least it’s another kind of

it’s at least it’s another kind of interaction and I think the kind of

interaction and I think the kind of

interaction and I think the kind of interaction I’m thinking about is not

interaction I’m thinking about is not

interaction I’m thinking about is not possible yet and I’m thinking so so what

possible yet and I’m thinking so so what

possible yet and I’m thinking so so what would it take so in my company so we

would it take so in my company so we

would it take so in my company so we started out making these films at film

started out making these films at film

started out making these films at film school then we had this autism treatment

school then we had this autism treatment

school then we had this autism treatment party that’s still running then we made

party that’s still running then we made

party that’s still running then we made the suit and now we’re actually making

the suit and now we’re actually making

the suit and now we’re actually making this AI engine so sounds pretty scary

this AI engine so sounds pretty scary

this AI engine so sounds pretty scary but it isn’t so artificial inteligence

but it isn’t so artificial inteligence

but it isn’t so artificial inteligence we’re collecting all the data that

we’re collecting all the data that

we’re collecting all the data that people are generating when they’re in

people are generating when they’re in

people are generating when they’re in the suit and based on that we’re

the suit and based on that we’re

the suit and based on that we’re building this body recognition engine so

building this body recognition engine so

building this body recognition engine so all of you could access this engine and

all of you could access this engine and

all of you could access this engine and time I like the voice recognition and

time I like the voice recognition and

time I like the voice recognition and then we would get this level of accuracy

then we would get this level of accuracy

then we would get this level of accuracy that’s a little bit higher than what we

that’s a little bit higher than what we

that’s a little bit higher than what we have now so you could actually

have now so you could actually

have now so you could actually everyone would look unique my wife would

everyone would look unique my wife would

everyone would look unique my wife would recognize me so it’s funny I visited my

recognize me so it’s funny I visited my

recognize me so it’s funny I visited my parents this weekend and they when I got

parents this weekend and they when I got

parents this weekend and they when I got into a film school they were really

into a film school they were really

into a film school they were really proud and when I started treating

proud and when I started treating

proud and when I started treating children with autism oh nice

children with autism oh nice

children with autism oh nice then when I started I mean then I turned

then when I started I mean then I turned

then when I started I mean then I turned this company more and more into a tech

this company more and more into a tech

this company more and more into a tech company now I live in San Franciso I can

company now I live in San Franciso I can

company now I live in San Franciso I can barely take company

barely take company

barely take company I mean it’s not that I’m not a proud but

I mean it’s not that I’m not a proud but

I mean it’s not that I’m not a proud but they’re not really telling their friends

they’re not really telling their friends

they’re not really telling their friends anymore I think they’re still saying

anymore I think they’re still saying

anymore I think they’re still saying he’s doing the film thing and it’s funny

he’s doing the film thing and it’s funny

he’s doing the film thing and it’s funny how I think it’s an entire generation

how I think it’s an entire generation

how I think it’s an entire generation that thinks that Tech is something

that thinks that Tech is something

that thinks that Tech is something that’s driving us apart that’s

that’s driving us apart that’s

that’s driving us apart that’s encouraging this antisocial behavior and

encouraging this antisocial behavior and

encouraging this antisocial behavior and I think so I I see what they mean

I think so I I see what they mean

I think so I I see what they mean I see how Tech has played a part in some

I see how Tech has played a part in some

I see how Tech has played a part in some inequalities and cyber warfare is pretty

inequalities and cyber warfare is pretty

inequalities and cyber warfare is pretty scary and but I mean it’s coming no

scary and but I mean it’s coming no

scary and but I mean it’s coming no matter what and we are controlling it I

matter what and we are controlling it I

matter what and we are controlling it I mean we should be the ones deciding what

mean we should be the ones deciding what

mean we should be the ones deciding what will happen with any of us and as a non

will happen with any of us and as a non

will happen with any of us and as a non tech person who is now CEO of a tech

tech person who is now CEO of a tech

tech person who is now CEO of a tech company I can see things from both sides

company I can see things from both sides

company I can see things from both sides I mean I can see I work with these

I mean I can see I work with these

I mean I can see I work with these brilliant engineers every day that can

brilliant engineers every day that can

brilliant engineers every day that can make magic they can make everything and

make magic they can make everything and

make magic they can make everything and I see that what they want and what I

I see that what they want and what I

I see that what they want and what I want is find these synergies I mean find

want is find these synergies I mean find

want is find these synergies I mean find these ethics that we can build into the

these ethics that we can build into the

these ethics that we can build into the technology so it doesn’t get out of hand

technology so it doesn’t get out of hand

technology so it doesn’t get out of hand and it doesn’t make sense to be afraid

and it doesn’t make sense to be afraid

and it doesn’t make sense to be afraid of it it’s a distance yourself from it I

of it it’s a distance yourself from it I

of it it’s a distance yourself from it I mean because it’s not going anywhere

mean because it’s not going anywhere

mean because it’s not going anywhere it’s it’s coming and I understand having

it’s it’s coming and I understand having

it’s it’s coming and I understand having like a machine operate in your brain is

like a machine operate in your brain is

like a machine operate in your brain is kind of scary but if that machine is

kind of scary but if that machine is

kind of scary but if that machine is better than any human that ever lived

better than any human that ever lived

better than any human that ever lived maybe it’s nice and we can influence it

maybe it’s nice and we can influence it

maybe it’s nice and we can influence it I mean the fact that we were naive at

I mean the fact that we were naive at

I mean the fact that we were naive at film school might be why we actually got

film school might be why we actually got

film school might be why we actually got this idea might be why we succeeded

this idea might be why we succeeded

this idea might be why we succeeded because we didn’t know the boundaries so

because we didn’t know the boundaries so

because we didn’t know the boundaries so I have really great conversations

I have really great conversations

I have really great conversations with these engineers every day we trying

with these engineers every day we trying

with these engineers every day we trying to shape this the right direction and I

to shape this the right direction and I

to shape this the right direction and I have this so Matias was the Frog maestro

have this so Matias was the Frog maestro

have this so Matias was the Frog maestro and we started the company together

and we started the company together

and we started the company together years ago and I had this experience

years ago and I had this experience

years ago and I had this experience where he he tells me that every time you

where he he tells me that every time you

where he he tells me that every time you start a sentence you say I feel or I’m

start a sentence you say I feel or I’m

start a sentence you say I feel or I’m feeling that so when you talk to like

feeling that so when you talk to like

feeling that so when you talk to like tech people or business people I say I

tech people or business people I say I

tech people or business people I say I know what I mean

know what I mean

know what I mean it’s better more unbelievable and I sort

it’s better more unbelievable and I sort

it’s better more unbelievable and I sort of agree and I stopped doing it for a

of agree and I stopped doing it for a

of agree and I stopped doing it for a little while but I think it’s actually

little while but I think it’s actually

little while but I think it’s actually really important to talk about feelings

really important to talk about feelings

really important to talk about feelings in second and I think it’s really

in second and I think it’s really

in second and I think it’s really important that we work on getting these

important that we work on getting these

important that we work on getting these ethics and these values into technology

ethics and these values into technology

ethics and these values into technology and I think everyone here could actually

and I think everyone here could actually

and I think everyone here could actually work on that in their own way really

work on that in their own way really

work on that in their own way really wanting to understand it really

wanting to understand it really

wanting to understand it really insisting that I have to understand this

insisting that I have to understand this

insisting that I have to understand this it shouldn’t scare me because we’re all

it shouldn’t scare me because we’re all

it shouldn’t scare me because we’re all part of it so one thing that I want to

part of it so one thing that I want to

part of it so one thing that I want to leave with you now is I am working on

leave with you now is I am working on

leave with you now is I am working on getting some more feelings into tech and

getting some more feelings into tech and

getting some more feelings into tech and I hope that you will join me thank you

I hope that you will join me thank you

I hope that you will join me thank you [Applause]

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