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my talk to you is quite personal and if

my talk to you is quite personal and if you will you will touch on some things

you will you will touch on some things

you will you will touch on some things in Northern Ireland that you will

in Northern Ireland that you will

in Northern Ireland that you will recognize but first we’re gonna start

recognize but first we’re gonna start

recognize but first we’re gonna start with the word does anybody know what it

with the word does anybody know what it

with the word does anybody know what it is it’s pronounced jefra phobia and it

is it’s pronounced jefra phobia and it

is it’s pronounced jefra phobia and it means a fear of bridges and here’s a

means a fear of bridges and here’s a

means a fear of bridges and here’s a bridge now this bridge is over the

bridge now this bridge is over the

bridge now this bridge is over the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland in the United

Chesapeake Bay in Maryland in the United

Chesapeake Bay in Maryland in the United States and when they built it it was so

States and when they built it it was so

States and when they built it it was so scary because you can see it’s quite

scary because you can see it’s quite

scary because you can see it’s quite slender at the sides then a lot of

slender at the sides then a lot of

slender at the sides then a lot of people were too afraid to cross it so

people were too afraid to cross it so

people were too afraid to cross it so the locals started calling it the bridge

the locals started calling it the bridge

the locals started calling it the bridge to hell now you can see look four points

to hell now you can see look four points

to hell now you can see look four points three miles long a hundred and eighty

three miles long a hundred and eighty

three miles long a hundred and eighty six feet high you can actually get a

six feet high you can actually get a

six feet high you can actually get a tall ship underneath that see can you

tall ship underneath that see can you

tall ship underneath that see can you imagine driving over this bridge so what

imagine driving over this bridge so what

imagine driving over this bridge so what happened was some people drove across no

happened was some people drove across no

happened was some people drove across no problem looking at the fantastic view

problem looking at the fantastic view

problem looking at the fantastic view watching the boats looking for their

watching the boats looking for their

watching the boats looking for their destination others got halfway across

destination others got halfway across

destination others got halfway across and throws they couldn’t go forwards and

and throws they couldn’t go forwards and

and throws they couldn’t go forwards and they couldn’t go backwards and then

they couldn’t go backwards and then

they couldn’t go backwards and then others couldn’t even get onto the bridge

others couldn’t even get onto the bridge

others couldn’t even get onto the bridge at all they were too afraid so a

at all they were too afraid so a

at all they were too afraid so a solution had to be find and the solution

solution had to be find and the solution

solution had to be find and the solution was and is until this day because I did

was and is until this day because I did

was and is until this day because I did a story on this bridge 20 years ago if

a story on this bridge 20 years ago if

a story on this bridge 20 years ago if you’re afraid someone will get into your

you’re afraid someone will get into your

you’re afraid someone will get into your car at the end of the bridge and drive

car at the end of the bridge and drive

car at the end of the bridge and drive your cross now our lives are rather like

your cross now our lives are rather like

your cross now our lives are rather like bridges aren’t they we go from here to

bridges aren’t they we go from here to

bridges aren’t they we go from here to there opportunities and obstacles this

there opportunities and obstacles this

there opportunities and obstacles this is my life and we tried to make little

is my life and we tried to make little

is my life and we tried to make little bridges but you get the idea don’t you I

bridges but you get the idea don’t you I

bridges but you get the idea don’t you I come from Belfast yes I went to London

come from Belfast yes I went to London

come from Belfast yes I went to London then from London to Belfast again then

then from London to Belfast again then

then from London to Belfast again then from Belfast I went to Tokyo then from

from Belfast I went to Tokyo then from

from Belfast I went to Tokyo then from Tokyo I went to Frankfurt Frankfurt to

Tokyo I went to Frankfurt Frankfurt to

Tokyo I went to Frankfurt Frankfurt to Washington DC when I did the story about

Washington DC when I did the story about

Washington DC when I did the story about the bridge and Washington DC back to

the bridge and Washington DC back to

the bridge and Washington DC back to London where I am now I know a career

London where I am now I know a career

London where I am now I know a career like that has loads of opportunities but

like that has loads of opportunities but

like that has loads of opportunities but it also has many obstacles I started my

it also has many obstacles I started my

it also has many obstacles I started my career at a time

career at a time

career at a time when it was mostly male dominated the

when it was mostly male dominated the

when it was mostly male dominated the media particularly here in Northern

media particularly here in Northern

media particularly here in Northern Ireland so first I went into my

Ireland so first I went into my

Ireland so first I went into my broadcasting newsroom someone looked at

broadcasting newsroom someone looked at

broadcasting newsroom someone looked at me a male colleague and said hmm I said

me a male colleague and said hmm I said

me a male colleague and said hmm I said oh it’s a girl there’s a great job going

oh it’s a girl there’s a great job going

oh it’s a girl there’s a great job going in the library so I thought okay

in the library so I thought okay

in the library so I thought okay day two don’t be having any ambition

day two don’t be having any ambition

day two don’t be having any ambition you’re from Northern Ireland you have a

you’re from Northern Ireland you have a

you’re from Northern Ireland you have a Northern Ireland accent you’re going

Northern Ireland accent you’re going

Northern Ireland accent you’re going nowhere so it didn’t take the job in the

nowhere so it didn’t take the job in the

nowhere so it didn’t take the job in the library and I went everywhere

library and I went everywhere

library and I went everywhere yeah night.the along the way just like

yeah night.the along the way just like

yeah night.the along the way just like people were helping others over the

people were helping others over the

people were helping others over the bridge I had some help as well and

bridge I had some help as well and

bridge I had some help as well and strangely it was mostly from women

strangely it was mostly from women

strangely it was mostly from women firstly when I was at school and I

firstly when I was at school and I

firstly when I was at school and I wanted to be a journalist it really

wanted to be a journalist it really

wanted to be a journalist it really wasn’t a job for a girl in Northern

wasn’t a job for a girl in Northern

wasn’t a job for a girl in Northern Ireland all that time again and people

Ireland all that time again and people

Ireland all that time again and people were saying be a teacher be a secretary

were saying be a teacher be a secretary

were saying be a teacher be a secretary no I wanted to be a journalist and the

no I wanted to be a journalist and the

no I wanted to be a journalist and the person who gave me the confidence to do

person who gave me the confidence to do

person who gave me the confidence to do that was my English teacher she believed

that was my English teacher she believed

that was my English teacher she believed in me therefore I believed in myself and

in me therefore I believed in myself and

in me therefore I believed in myself and I wouldn’t be here where I am today if

I wouldn’t be here where I am today if

I wouldn’t be here where I am today if it hadn’t been for her the other people

it hadn’t been for her the other people

it hadn’t been for her the other people who’ve helped me along the way are my

who’ve helped me along the way are my

who’ve helped me along the way are my family I couldn’t have done without my

family I couldn’t have done without my

family I couldn’t have done without my family even if they didn’t see me from

family even if they didn’t see me from

family even if they didn’t see me from months apart from on TV they were always

months apart from on TV they were always

months apart from on TV they were always there at the end of the phone and they

there at the end of the phone and they

there at the end of the phone and they were always there in full support when I

were always there in full support when I

were always there in full support when I was travelling around the world I have

was travelling around the world I have

was travelling around the world I have my two daughters with me so my mother is

my two daughters with me so my mother is

my two daughters with me so my mother is here tonight used to travel with me

here tonight used to travel with me

here tonight used to travel with me sometimes to look after my children if I

sometimes to look after my children if I

sometimes to look after my children if I was on assignment because you also have

was on assignment because you also have

was on assignment because you also have to realize that it wasn’t just me

to realize that it wasn’t just me

to realize that it wasn’t just me travelling on this journey I have my two

travelling on this journey I have my two

travelling on this journey I have my two daughters with me so they were traveling

daughters with me so they were traveling

daughters with me so they were traveling on these bridges and these challenges in

on these bridges and these challenges in

on these bridges and these challenges in this journey as well they were changing

this journey as well they were changing

this journey as well they were changing schools they were leaving their friends

schools they were leaving their friends

schools they were leaving their friends we were moving countries all those sorts

we were moving countries all those sorts

we were moving countries all those sorts of things which are very disruptive and

of things which are very disruptive and

of things which are very disruptive and during that period I actually built

during that period I actually built

during that period I actually built myself a bridge of guilt in my head you

myself a bridge of guilt in my head you

myself a bridge of guilt in my head you know what we’re like if anyone who’s got

know what we’re like if anyone who’s got

know what we’re like if anyone who’s got children are we doing the like sing will

children are we doing the like sing will

children are we doing the like sing will they be okay

they be okay

they be okay is a school right for them but as they

is a school right for them but as they

is a school right for them but as they grew older they actually demolished my

grew older they actually demolished my

grew older they actually demolished my bridge of guilt and they told me that

bridge of guilt and they told me that

bridge of guilt and they told me that they wouldn’t have changed our troubles

they wouldn’t have changed our troubles

they wouldn’t have changed our troubles and adventures for the world

and adventures for the world

and adventures for the world the other things that happened to me

the other things that happened to me

the other things that happened to me along the way let me just give you an

along the way let me just give you an

along the way let me just give you an example from Tokyo for instance I had a

example from Tokyo for instance I had a

example from Tokyo for instance I had a male or a female translator and I would

male or a female translator and I would

male or a female translator and I would go to these big meetings that were all

go to these big meetings that were all

go to these big meetings that were all male and it was as if I haven’t walked

male and it was as if I haven’t walked

male and it was as if I haven’t walked into the room I changed the translator

into the room I changed the translator

into the room I changed the translator to a man and suddenly I was somebody to

to a man and suddenly I was somebody to

to a man and suddenly I was somebody to talk to because I had a man working for

talk to because I had a man working for

talk to because I had a man working for me I kid you not this is the very early

me I kid you not this is the very early

me I kid you not this is the very early 90s the other thing that happened to me

90s the other thing that happened to me

90s the other thing that happened to me throughout my career is I’ve experienced

throughout my career is I’ve experienced

throughout my career is I’ve experienced all the things that a lot of women have

all the things that a lot of women have

all the things that a lot of women have experienced ageism sexism and gender

experienced ageism sexism and gender

experienced ageism sexism and gender inequality ageism was the one that hit

inequality ageism was the one that hit

inequality ageism was the one that hit me hardest as a woman gets towards 50

me hardest as a woman gets towards 50

me hardest as a woman gets towards 50 particularly in the media we disappeared

particularly in the media we disappeared

particularly in the media we disappeared both in front of the camera and behind

both in front of the camera and behind

both in front of the camera and behind the camera

the camera

the camera a man can age in front of a camera

a man can age in front of a camera

a man can age in front of a camera whereas a woman can’t a wrinkle on a man

whereas a woman can’t a wrinkle on a man

whereas a woman can’t a wrinkle on a man will be seen as maturity and experience

will be seen as maturity and experience

will be seen as maturity and experience a wrinkle on a woman is considered old

a wrinkle on a woman is considered old

a wrinkle on a woman is considered old so it’s just imagine you’re approaching

so it’s just imagine you’re approaching

so it’s just imagine you’re approaching a fifties you’re in your early 50s and

a fifties you’re in your early 50s and

a fifties you’re in your early 50s and you’re dealing with all the aspects of

you’re dealing with all the aspects of

you’re dealing with all the aspects of getting a little bit older anyway

getting a little bit older anyway

getting a little bit older anyway perhaps you’re thinking you might have

perhaps you’re thinking you might have

perhaps you’re thinking you might have the menopause if you’re having the

the menopause if you’re having the

the menopause if you’re having the menopause all of those things that we

menopause all of those things that we

menopause all of those things that we have to deal with and then suddenly

have to deal with and then suddenly

have to deal with and then suddenly you’re being slightly sidelined for

you’re being slightly sidelined for

you’re being slightly sidelined for younger models I haven’t got anything

younger models I haven’t got anything

younger models I haven’t got anything against younger models and we all were

against younger models and we all were

against younger models and we all were there and we all came through but there

there and we all came through but there

there and we all came through but there is a time and a place now this got so

is a time and a place now this got so

is a time and a place now this got so bad for me it went on over a period of

bad for me it went on over a period of

bad for me it went on over a period of two years and it got so bad for me that

two years and it got so bad for me that

two years and it got so bad for me that I woke up one morning and thought I’m

I woke up one morning and thought I’m

I woke up one morning and thought I’m going to give up my job now bearing in

going to give up my job now bearing in

going to give up my job now bearing in mind everything I’d done and where I was

mind everything I’d done and where I was

mind everything I’d done and where I was and how hard I’d fought for this this

and how hard I’d fought for this this

and how hard I’d fought for this this was a huge decision except after I’d had

was a huge decision except after I’d had

was a huge decision except after I’d had a cup of tea I suddenly thought I’m

a cup of tea I suddenly thought I’m

a cup of tea I suddenly thought I’m gonna give up my job it’s my job Ponta

gonna give up my job it’s my job Ponta

gonna give up my job it’s my job Ponta on I’m not giving it up then I had to go

on I’m not giving it up then I had to go

on I’m not giving it up then I had to go through this difficult process of how do

through this difficult process of how do

through this difficult process of how do I address this so I did go through the

I address this so I did go through the

I address this so I did go through the and it was difficult but I claimed my

and it was difficult but I claimed my

and it was difficult but I claimed my place I kept my job

place I kept my job

place I kept my job I stayed there wrinkles and all but the

I stayed there wrinkles and all but the

I stayed there wrinkles and all but the reason that happened as well as there

reason that happened as well as there

reason that happened as well as there was support there was a support network

was support there was a support network

was support there was a support network from female colleagues and female

from female colleagues and female

from female colleagues and female friends and my family obstacles can be

friends and my family obstacles can be

friends and my family obstacles can be overcome but we’ve got to be strong

overcome but we’ve got to be strong

overcome but we’ve got to be strong enough to do them you’ve got to be

enough to do them you’ve got to be

enough to do them you’ve got to be strong enough to drive across that

strong enough to drive across that

strong enough to drive across that bridge and if you can’t there’s nothing

bridge and if you can’t there’s nothing

bridge and if you can’t there’s nothing wrong with asking for help this is me

wrong with asking for help this is me

wrong with asking for help this is me and my sisters I grew up actually about

and my sisters I grew up actually about

and my sisters I grew up actually about five miles from here so this is on the

five miles from here so this is on the

five miles from here so this is on the left this photograph is with me look at

left this photograph is with me look at

left this photograph is with me look at the lovely curls what happened to them

the lovely curls what happened to them

the lovely curls what happened to them with my grandfather visiting him in

with my grandfather visiting him in

with my grandfather visiting him in Hollywood he was very dear to me and

Hollywood he was very dear to me and

Hollywood he was very dear to me and this is me with my two sisters and it’s

this is me with my two sisters and it’s

this is me with my two sisters and it’s actually taking me 60 years to get to

actually taking me 60 years to get to

actually taking me 60 years to get to where I am today some of the you’ll get

where I am today some of the you’ll get

where I am today some of the you’ll get some nice old photographs here several

some nice old photographs here several

some nice old photographs here several of the challenges I grabbed with both

of the challenges I grabbed with both

of the challenges I grabbed with both hands you know it’s like great I’m

hands you know it’s like great I’m

hands you know it’s like great I’m having that job I’ll do anything to get

having that job I’ll do anything to get

having that job I’ll do anything to get that job some of them I sort of thought

that job some of them I sort of thought

that job some of them I sort of thought so I suppose I was halfway across my

so I suppose I was halfway across my

so I suppose I was halfway across my bridge and you know the way we women say

bridge and you know the way we women say

bridge and you know the way we women say things like Oh could I really do this Oh

things like Oh could I really do this Oh

things like Oh could I really do this Oh will I be good enough will it be okay of

will I be good enough will it be okay of

will I be good enough will it be okay of course it’s going to be okay

course it’s going to be okay

course it’s going to be okay of course we can do it why shouldn’t we

of course we can do it why shouldn’t we

of course we can do it why shouldn’t we able to be able to do it so there we go

able to be able to do it so there we go

able to be able to do it so there we go I’m going around the world and I’m

I’m going around the world and I’m

I’m going around the world and I’m crossing a lot of bridges at that time

crossing a lot of bridges at that time

crossing a lot of bridges at that time for female journalists as well so I’m

for female journalists as well so I’m

for female journalists as well so I’m going into jobs and I’m going into areas

going into jobs and I’m going into areas

going into jobs and I’m going into areas that perhaps they wouldn’t have been

that perhaps they wouldn’t have been

that perhaps they wouldn’t have been there before that’s John Major’s the

there before that’s John Major’s the

there before that’s John Major’s the back of his head by the way I was very

back of his head by the way I was very

back of his head by the way I was very glad the photographer my face and the

glad the photographer my face and the

glad the photographer my face and the back of his head I was in Washington I

back of his head I was in Washington I

back of his head I was in Washington I was in Tokyo and I covered some of the

was in Tokyo and I covered some of the

was in Tokyo and I covered some of the biggest stories in the world but again

biggest stories in the world but again

biggest stories in the world but again right along the way one of the things I

right along the way one of the things I

right along the way one of the things I always did I was I always helped other

always did I was I always helped other

always did I was I always helped other young journalists male and female but

young journalists male and female but

young journalists male and female but particularly young female journalists

particularly young female journalists

particularly young female journalists coming through who perhaps didn’t have

coming through who perhaps didn’t have

coming through who perhaps didn’t have the confidence it’s that sort of help

the confidence it’s that sort of help

the confidence it’s that sort of help that I would love to have heard when I

that I would love to have heard when I

that I would love to have heard when I was a young journalist with my first

was a young journalist with my first

was a young journalist with my first walked into that news room and was told

walked into that news room and was told

walked into that news room and was told to get a job in the library so here we

to get a job in the library so here we

to get a job in the library so here we are I’ve not been a journalist for 40

are I’ve not been a journalist for 40

are I’ve not been a journalist for 40 years so it’s been fairly successful and

years so it’s been fairly successful and

years so it’s been fairly successful and I covered everything that I’ve wanted to

I covered everything that I’ve wanted to

I covered everything that I’ve wanted to do and I am very very pleased to report

do and I am very very pleased to report

do and I am very very pleased to report it’s no longer male-dominated so we have

it’s no longer male-dominated so we have

it’s no longer male-dominated so we have a very good gender mix knife what we

a very good gender mix knife what we

a very good gender mix knife what we don’t have though is a gender equality

don’t have though is a gender equality

don’t have though is a gender equality and pay equality so we have to still

and pay equality so we have to still

and pay equality so we have to still fight for those things not just in my

fight for those things not just in my

fight for those things not just in my industry but in all industries we have

industry but in all industries we have

industry but in all industries we have to fight against any form of ageism any

to fight against any form of ageism any

to fight against any form of ageism any form of sexism and definitely any form

form of sexism and definitely any form

form of sexism and definitely any form of gender pay inequality I left the BBC

of gender pay inequality I left the BBC

of gender pay inequality I left the BBC in April this year it was my decision it

in April this year it was my decision it

in April this year it was my decision it was on the 15th of April when I gave my

was on the 15th of April when I gave my

was on the 15th of April when I gave my last broadcast and one of the reasons I

last broadcast and one of the reasons I

last broadcast and one of the reasons I left was because having been a

left was because having been a

left was because having been a journalist for 40 years had also been at

journalist for 40 years had also been at

journalist for 40 years had also been at the BBC for 20 years I thought it’s time

the BBC for 20 years I thought it’s time

the BBC for 20 years I thought it’s time to do something else it’s time to have

to do something else it’s time to have

to do something else it’s time to have another career because when you think

another career because when you think

another career because when you think about it I’ll come back to that one in a

about it I’ll come back to that one in a

about it I’ll come back to that one in a second we’re up against a lot as women

Madeleine Albright the US Secretary of

Madeleine Albright the US Secretary of State former said that when she was

State former said that when she was

State former said that when she was rising up through the ranks to become US

rising up through the ranks to become US

rising up through the ranks to become US Secretary of State she felt that she had

Secretary of State she felt that she had

Secretary of State she felt that she had to be better than an equivalent man so

to be better than an equivalent man so

to be better than an equivalent man so you could have the same qualifications

you could have the same qualifications

you could have the same qualifications but you had to be better and I thought

but you had to be better and I thought

but you had to be better and I thought that right through my career I could be

that right through my career I could be

that right through my career I could be sitting or standing beside a man with

sitting or standing beside a man with

sitting or standing beside a man with exactly the same qualifications and

exactly the same qualifications and

exactly the same qualifications and exactly the same experience but I had to

exactly the same experience but I had to

exactly the same experience but I had to be better and she said the same thing

be better and she said the same thing

be better and she said the same thing and what she said was she could be a

and what she said was she could be a

and what she said was she could be a mediocre man but you can’t be a mediocre

mediocre man but you can’t be a mediocre

mediocre man but you can’t be a mediocre woman and she was right I’m crossing a

woman and she was right I’m crossing a

woman and she was right I’m crossing a new bridge this year as you can see from

new bridge this year as you can see from

new bridge this year as you can see from the birthday cake

the birthday cake

the birthday cake I was 60 in September and I’ve decided

I was 60 in September and I’ve decided

I was 60 in September and I’ve decided to start a new career using all of those

to start a new career using all of those

to start a new career using all of those skills that I’ve gained in the last four

skills that I’ve gained in the last four

skills that I’ve gained in the last four years as a journalist because you know

years as a journalist because you know

years as a journalist because you know what we women are living longer

what we women are living longer

what we women are living longer we are healthier and we are ready for

we are healthier and we are ready for

we are healthier and we are ready for any challenge that we face is us my

any challenge that we face is us my

any challenge that we face is us my grandmother would have been retired at

grandmother would have been retired at

grandmother would have been retired at sixty I want a whole new career and as

sixty I want a whole new career and as

sixty I want a whole new career and as it says on the cake

it says on the cake

it says on the cake sixty is really the new 40 so I take you

sixty is really the new 40 so I take you

sixty is really the new 40 so I take you back to the bridge

back to the bridge

back to the bridge you remember from the beginning the

you remember from the beginning the

you remember from the beginning the scary bridge because when you cross your

scary bridge because when you cross your

scary bridge because when you cross your bridge as a woman in particular and

bridge as a woman in particular and

bridge as a woman in particular and you’re feeling successful and you’re

you’re feeling successful and you’re

you’re feeling successful and you’re feeling you can go across your bridge

feeling you can go across your bridge

feeling you can go across your bridge turn around reach out your hand to the

turn around reach out your hand to the

turn around reach out your hand to the next woman and if we all do that we’ll

next woman and if we all do that we’ll

next woman and if we all do that we’ll build our own bridge and then we’ll be

build our own bridge and then we’ll be

build our own bridge and then we’ll be invincible thank you very much

invincible thank you very much

invincible thank you very much [Applause]

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