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The Value of Ignorance in Innovation | Art Castañares | TEDxCarsonCity


in 1792 poet Thomas gray coined the

in 1792 poet Thomas gray coined the phrase ignorance is bliss it means that

phrase ignorance is bliss it means that

phrase ignorance is bliss it means that not knowing something is often more

not knowing something is often more

not knowing something is often more comfortable than knowing it like how

comfortable than knowing it like how

comfortable than knowing it like how many calories are in that piece of

many calories are in that piece of

many calories are in that piece of chocolate cake you’re going to eat

chocolate cake you’re going to eat

chocolate cake you’re going to eat anyways you just don’t want to know but

anyways you just don’t want to know but

anyways you just don’t want to know but people forget that ignorance doesn’t

people forget that ignorance doesn’t

people forget that ignorance doesn’t mean you’re dumb

mean you’re dumb

mean you’re dumb it means the lack of knowledge or

it means the lack of knowledge or

it means the lack of knowledge or information not a lack of intelligence

information not a lack of intelligence

information not a lack of intelligence very smart person could be ignorant in

very smart person could be ignorant in

very smart person could be ignorant in the rules of football for example or

the rules of football for example or

the rules of football for example or like me I’m ignorant in the strategy of

like me I’m ignorant in the strategy of

like me I’m ignorant in the strategy of chess

chess

chess so my seven-year-old son Charlie who’s

so my seven-year-old son Charlie who’s

so my seven-year-old son Charlie who’s on the chess team at at school beats me

on the chess team at at school beats me

on the chess team at at school beats me all the time doesn’t mean you’re dumb it

all the time doesn’t mean you’re dumb it

all the time doesn’t mean you’re dumb it means you just are missing some bit of

means you just are missing some bit of

means you just are missing some bit of information that you don’t know but I

information that you don’t know but I

information that you don’t know but I argue that ignorant is very powerful and

argue that ignorant is very powerful and

argue that ignorant is very powerful and it can lead to breakthroughs and spawn

it can lead to breakthroughs and spawn

it can lead to breakthroughs and spawn innovation when you least expect it my

innovation when you least expect it my

innovation when you least expect it my entire business is sort of by accident

entire business is sort of by accident

entire business is sort of by accident and it’s a testament to the power of

and it’s a testament to the power of

and it’s a testament to the power of ignorance in innovation I’m the founder

ignorance in innovation I’m the founder

ignorance in innovation I’m the founder of a green tech company that specializes

of a green tech company that specializes

of a green tech company that specializes in the development of solar energy

in the development of solar energy

in the development of solar energy projects biofuels technology and

projects biofuels technology and

projects biofuels technology and synthetic turf and even though I deal

synthetic turf and even though I deal

synthetic turf and even though I deal with these very complex projects every

with these very complex projects every

with these very complex projects every day I’m not an engineer I’m not a

day I’m not an engineer I’m not a

day I’m not an engineer I’m not a scientist I’m actually a deal maker well

scientist I’m actually a deal maker well

scientist I’m actually a deal maker well my job is is to find ways to take these

my job is is to find ways to take these

my job is is to find ways to take these types of technologies and apply real

types of technologies and apply real

types of technologies and apply real business models to them and make them

business models to them and make them

business models to them and make them viable there are a lot of really

viable there are a lot of really

viable there are a lot of really interesting inventions out there whether

interesting inventions out there whether

interesting inventions out there whether they’re apps or technology or gadgets

they’re apps or technology or gadgets

they’re apps or technology or gadgets that are really clever very innovative

that are really clever very innovative

that are really clever very innovative but their commercial flops they don’t

but their commercial flops they don’t

but their commercial flops they don’t create any value for a client so

create any value for a client so

create any value for a client so nobody’s going to pay for them my job is

nobody’s going to pay for them my job is

nobody’s going to pay for them my job is to take these existing business models

to take these existing business models

to take these existing business models and create a project that is sustainable

and create a project that is sustainable

and create a project that is sustainable financeable and has measurable

financeable and has measurable

financeable and has measurable environmental impacts the entire

environmental impacts the entire

environmental impacts the entire business I have sort of came by accident

business I have sort of came by accident

business I have sort of came by accident and I wanted to tell you the story of

and I wanted to tell you the story of

and I wanted to tell you the story of three of the things that happened to me

three of the things that happened to me

three of the things that happened to me because of my ignorance my first Green

because of my ignorance my first Green

because of my ignorance my first Green Deal was in 2008 previously I worked for

Deal was in 2008 previously I worked for

Deal was in 2008 previously I worked for 13 years for the California State

13 years for the California State

13 years for the California State Legislature politics I know

Legislature politics I know

Legislature politics I know I survived but the last four years that

I survived but the last four years that

I survived but the last four years that I worked there I worked in the

I worked there I worked in the

I worked there I worked in the California State Capitol and I helped

California State Capitol and I helped

California State Capitol and I helped put together the 100 billion

put together the 100 billion

put together the 100 billion dollar-a-year annual budget and after I

dollar-a-year annual budget and after I

dollar-a-year annual budget and after I left all of my friends in government now

left all of my friends in government now

left all of my friends in government now think that if I can solve those problems

think that if I can solve those problems

think that if I can solve those problems I can fix any budget so I got a request

I can fix any budget so I got a request

I can fix any budget so I got a request for that in 2008 a school district in my

for that in 2008 a school district in my

for that in 2008 a school district in my area in San Diego approached me and

area in San Diego approached me and

area in San Diego approached me and asked me if I could help them save money

asked me if I could help them save money

asked me if I could help them save money without firing any teachers or staff and

without firing any teachers or staff and

without firing any teachers or staff and they handed me their 40 million dollar

they handed me their 40 million dollar

they handed me their 40 million dollar budget and I went through it an 87% with

budget and I went through it an 87% with

budget and I went through it an 87% with staff it only leaves 13% to find a way

staff it only leaves 13% to find a way

staff it only leaves 13% to find a way to save money and the single largest

to save money and the single largest

to save money and the single largest expenditure after staff was electricity

expenditure after staff was electricity

expenditure after staff was electricity over a million dollars a year and I

over a million dollars a year and I

over a million dollars a year and I thought maybe if I could find a way to

thought maybe if I could find a way to

thought maybe if I could find a way to attack that I could create the most

attack that I could create the most

attack that I could create the most savings and I knew a little bit about

savings and I knew a little bit about

savings and I knew a little bit about solar having worked in politics you have

solar having worked in politics you have

solar having worked in politics you have to know a little bit about pretty much

to know a little bit about pretty much

to know a little bit about pretty much everything so I’m a kind of a jack of

everything so I’m a kind of a jack of

everything so I’m a kind of a jack of all trades and master of none and so I

all trades and master of none and so I

all trades and master of none and so I thought maybe I could figure out a way

thought maybe I could figure out a way

thought maybe I could figure out a way to use solar to help them save money at

to use solar to help them save money at

to use solar to help them save money at the time though in 2008 all the solar

the time though in 2008 all the solar

the time though in 2008 all the solar projects the pricing was tied to the

projects the pricing was tied to the

projects the pricing was tied to the price of electricity at the utility

price of electricity at the utility

price of electricity at the utility company two months before I was

company two months before I was

company two months before I was approached by the school district two

approached by the school district two

approached by the school district two large universities in California had

large universities in California had

large universities in California had signed 20-years solar contracts that

signed 20-years solar contracts that

signed 20-years solar contracts that saved zero money over time so that

saved zero money over time so that

saved zero money over time so that wouldn’t really do anything for this

wouldn’t really do anything for this

wouldn’t really do anything for this school district so I started noodling on

school district so I started noodling on

school district so I started noodling on it like I always do a couple days later

it like I always do a couple days later

it like I always do a couple days later I was in the shower looking out of the

I was in the shower looking out of the

I was in the shower looking out of the window and the Sun was just coming up

window and the Sun was just coming up

window and the Sun was just coming up over the hills and it kind of hit me in

over the hills and it kind of hit me in

over the hills and it kind of hit me in the eye and all of a sudden it made

the eye and all of a sudden it made

the eye and all of a sudden it made sense

sense

sense this wasn’t a technology problem it was

this wasn’t a technology problem it was

this wasn’t a technology problem it was a financing problem and if I could

a financing problem and if I could

a financing problem and if I could figure out a way to do another type of

figure out a way to do another type of

figure out a way to do another type of contract that created savings it would

contract that created savings it would

contract that created savings it would help the district so I jumped out of the

help the district so I jumped out of the

help the district so I jumped out of the shower barely got dressed sat on my

shower barely got dressed sat on my

shower barely got dressed sat on my computer for about three hours working

computer for about three hours working

computer for about three hours working on spreadsheets which is what I do and I

on spreadsheets which is what I do and I

on spreadsheets which is what I do and I came up with a model that estimated that

came up with a model that estimated that

came up with a model that estimated that the district could save about 10 million

the district could save about 10 million

the district could save about 10 million dollars over the life of the system and

dollars over the life of the system and

dollars over the life of the system and that had never been done so I started

that had never been done so I started

that had never been done so I started talking to bankers and they thought I

talking to bankers and they thought I

talking to bankers and they thought I was crazy

was crazy

was crazy started talking to people in the

started talking to people in the

started talking to people in the industry and they thought I was nuts and

industry and they thought I was nuts and

industry and they thought I was nuts and I was embarrassed

I was embarrassed

I was embarrassed and I felt dejected that this idea that

and I felt dejected that this idea that

and I felt dejected that this idea that I had this seemed so logical

I had this seemed so logical

I had this seemed so logical just didn’t work and the biggest insult

just didn’t work and the biggest insult

just didn’t work and the biggest insult came when I went to see a very savvy

came when I went to see a very savvy

came when I went to see a very savvy financier in San Diego and I went and

financier in San Diego and I went and

financier in San Diego and I went and excited to start a tone in my pitch and

excited to start a tone in my pitch and

excited to start a tone in my pitch and in the middle of it he stopped me he

in the middle of it he stopped me he

in the middle of it he stopped me he said it doesn’t work that’s well how do

said it doesn’t work that’s well how do

said it doesn’t work that’s well how do you know it doesn’t work he said look I

you know it doesn’t work he said look I

you know it doesn’t work he said look I don’t know why it doesn’t work I just

don’t know why it doesn’t work I just

don’t know why it doesn’t work I just know that if it was this easy somebody

know that if it was this easy somebody

know that if it was this easy somebody smarter than you would have already done

smarter than you would have already done

smarter than you would have already done it yes I thought that was a nice way to

it yes I thought that was a nice way to

it yes I thought that was a nice way to call me dumb and I went home thinking I

call me dumb and I went home thinking I

call me dumb and I went home thinking I just can’t believe it but I stuck with

just can’t believe it but I stuck with

just can’t believe it but I stuck with it and I found a way to finance it and

it and I found a way to finance it and

it and I found a way to finance it and we ended up signing that contract with

we ended up signing that contract with

we ended up signing that contract with the school district and another one just

the school district and another one just

the school district and another one just like it with the YMCA and we have now

like it with the YMCA and we have now

like it with the YMCA and we have now deployed over 25 million dollars in

deployed over 25 million dollars in

deployed over 25 million dollars in solar projects when a guy in the green

solar projects when a guy in the green

solar projects when a guy in the green shirt with Solar City comes to your door

shirt with Solar City comes to your door

shirt with Solar City comes to your door now it offers you solar with no money

now it offers you solar with no money

now it offers you solar with no money down 20-year payments to save you money

down 20-year payments to save you money

down 20-year payments to save you money that’s the model I invented in 2008 when

that’s the model I invented in 2008 when

that’s the model I invented in 2008 when people thought I was nuts it happened to

people thought I was nuts it happened to

people thought I was nuts it happened to me the same thing happened to me about

me the same thing happened to me about

me the same thing happened to me about two years ago in the biofuels industry I

two years ago in the biofuels industry I

two years ago in the biofuels industry I was in a meeting and I met some very

was in a meeting and I met some very

was in a meeting and I met some very clever engineers that designed a biomass

clever engineers that designed a biomass

clever engineers that designed a biomass project that can burn coal cleanly and

project that can burn coal cleanly and

project that can burn coal cleanly and create diesel for trucks not very sexy

create diesel for trucks not very sexy

create diesel for trucks not very sexy but it worked it was really interesting

but it worked it was really interesting

but it worked it was really interesting technology I just didn’t want anything

technology I just didn’t want anything

technology I just didn’t want anything to do with the coal industry

to do with the coal industry

to do with the coal industry it’s a dirty way that they minded its

it’s a dirty way that they minded its

it’s a dirty way that they minded its environmental impacts are very bad and

environmental impacts are very bad and

environmental impacts are very bad and the impacts on the miners is even worse

the impacts on the miners is even worse

the impacts on the miners is even worse so I told him I might be interested if

so I told him I might be interested if

so I told him I might be interested if they could find a way to burn something

they could find a way to burn something

they could find a way to burn something else so they suggested burning recycled

else so they suggested burning recycled

else so they suggested burning recycled tires that’s not bad

tires that’s not bad

tires that’s not bad or they say they could burn the solid

or they say they could burn the solid

or they say they could burn the solid waste from a sewage treatment plant

waste from a sewage treatment plant

waste from a sewage treatment plant that’s not sexy definitely they want to

that’s not sexy definitely they want to

that’s not sexy definitely they want to do that so I started newland on it like

do that so I started newland on it like

do that so I started newland on it like I usually do and about a week later a

I usually do and about a week later a

I usually do and about a week later a friend of mine unrelated to any of this

friend of mine unrelated to any of this

friend of mine unrelated to any of this he’s a strict vegan he sent me a report

he’s a strict vegan he sent me a report

he’s a strict vegan he sent me a report about the environmental impacts of the

about the environmental impacts of the

about the environmental impacts of the cattle industry on the environment and

cattle industry on the environment and

cattle industry on the environment and the report concluded that about 20% of

the report concluded that about 20% of

the report concluded that about 20% of the greenhouse gases in the environment

the greenhouse gases in the environment

the greenhouse gases in the environment come from the manure from cattle

come from the manure from cattle

come from the manure from cattle and he said give up meat I thought about

and he said give up meat I thought about

and he said give up meat I thought about it for a second but those in and out

it for a second but those in and out

it for a second but those in and out burgers are so good I put the report

burgers are so good I put the report

burgers are so good I put the report aside and I didn’t think much of it

aside and I didn’t think much of it

aside and I didn’t think much of it about a week later I saw news reports

about a week later I saw news reports

about a week later I saw news reports that Richard Branson from the virgin

that Richard Branson from the virgin

that Richard Branson from the virgin companies was being criticized for not

companies was being criticized for not

companies was being criticized for not doing enough for the environment while

doing enough for the environment while

doing enough for the environment while he burns jet fuel in his airliners and

he burns jet fuel in his airliners and

he burns jet fuel in his airliners and his trips to space and I’m a big fan of

his trips to space and I’m a big fan of

his trips to space and I’m a big fan of Branson I thought that’s too bad for him

Branson I thought that’s too bad for him

Branson I thought that’s too bad for him that night I had a dream and I woke up

that night I had a dream and I woke up

that night I had a dream and I woke up in the morning with this crazy idea what

in the morning with this crazy idea what

in the morning with this crazy idea what if we could tweak the technology and

if we could tweak the technology and

if we could tweak the technology and burn cow manure and make jet fuel for

burn cow manure and make jet fuel for

burn cow manure and make jet fuel for commercial airliners and then the

commercial airliners and then the

commercial airliners and then the airlines would be fighting over who’s

airlines would be fighting over who’s

airlines would be fighting over who’s more green and it would create more

more green and it would create more

more green and it would create more demand for my fuel I think it’s a

demand for my fuel I think it’s a

demand for my fuel I think it’s a transformative technology that can burn

transformative technology that can burn

transformative technology that can burn gas emitting waste and turn it into fuel

gas emitting waste and turn it into fuel

gas emitting waste and turn it into fuel so we don’t have to drill for more

so we don’t have to drill for more

so we don’t have to drill for more petroleum you can imagine my friends who

petroleum you can imagine my friends who

petroleum you can imagine my friends who think they’re funny came up with all

think they’re funny came up with all

think they’re funny came up with all these jokes and puns about working with

these jokes and puns about working with

these jokes and puns about working with manure right the business stinks you

manure right the business stinks you

manure right the business stinks you really stepped in at this time or it’s

really stepped in at this time or it’s

really stepped in at this time or it’s all bull right just to get it back at

all bull right just to get it back at

all bull right just to get it back at him I came up with my own pond that I

him I came up with my own pond that I

him I came up with my own pond that I think is even better utterly clean the

think is even better utterly clean the

think is even better utterly clean the bankers said I was nuts

bankers said I was nuts

bankers said I was nuts they said biofuels don’t pencil the

they said biofuels don’t pencil the

they said biofuels don’t pencil the market isn’t ready for something like

market isn’t ready for something like

market isn’t ready for something like that and again I felt the same feeling

that and again I felt the same feeling

that and again I felt the same feeling of rejection that I felt with solar well

of rejection that I felt with solar well

of rejection that I felt with solar well today I’m the chairman and CEO of an 88

today I’m the chairman and CEO of an 88

today I’m the chairman and CEO of an 88 year-old petroleum company that last

year-old petroleum company that last

year-old petroleum company that last year purchased my company in order to go

year purchased my company in order to go

year purchased my company in order to go green we have 13,000 shareholders and we

green we have 13,000 shareholders and we

green we have 13,000 shareholders and we expect to open a plant by late next year

expect to open a plant by late next year

expect to open a plant by late next year that can burn kal manure to make jet

that can burn kal manure to make jet

that can burn kal manure to make jet fuel the last example of what happened

fuel the last example of what happened

fuel the last example of what happened to me was in the turf business you seen

to me was in the turf business you seen

to me was in the turf business you seen artificial turf in a lot of front yards

artificial turf in a lot of front yards

artificial turf in a lot of front yards it’s a great way to do it I have it at

it’s a great way to do it I have it at

it’s a great way to do it I have it at my house but nobody has really deployed

my house but nobody has really deployed

my house but nobody has really deployed it in large scale because it’s very

it in large scale because it’s very

it in large scale because it’s very expensive it has a big startup cost in

expensive it has a big startup cost in

expensive it has a big startup cost in the break-even point like Solar is years

the break-even point like Solar is years

the break-even point like Solar is years down the road so again I brought a

down the road so again I brought a

down the road so again I brought a different mechanism to the table and I

different mechanism to the table and I

different mechanism to the table and I said what if I could create a financing

said what if I could create a financing

said what if I could create a financing mechanism

mechanism

mechanism for homeowners associations they have a

for homeowners associations they have a

for homeowners associations they have a lot of large common areas and remove

lot of large common areas and remove

lot of large common areas and remove that grass install the turf give them

that grass install the turf give them

that grass install the turf give them payments over time and when I had a cost

payments over time and when I had a cost

payments over time and when I had a cost savings of water the electricity to

savings of water the electricity to

savings of water the electricity to deliver that water which is about six

deliver that water which is about six

deliver that water which is about six watts per gallon the environmental

watts per gallon the environmental

watts per gallon the environmental impact of the lawn mowers and worst of

impact of the lawn mowers and worst of

impact of the lawn mowers and worst of all the clippings of the grass that go

all the clippings of the grass that go

all the clippings of the grass that go to the landfill to create methane it’s a

to the landfill to create methane it’s a

to the landfill to create methane it’s a crazy thing that we do we grow grass you

crazy thing that we do we grow grass you

crazy thing that we do we grow grass you water it we grow it we mow it we throw

water it we grow it we mow it we throw

water it we grow it we mow it we throw it away so we are now deploying hundreds

it away so we are now deploying hundreds

it away so we are now deploying hundreds of thousand square feet at a time for

of thousand square feet at a time for

of thousand square feet at a time for HOAs to save water to help the

HOAs to save water to help the

HOAs to save water to help the environment we had to argue with the IRS

environment we had to argue with the IRS

environment we had to argue with the IRS because we now are going to take

because we now are going to take

because we now are going to take depreciation on the grass which nobody

depreciation on the grass which nobody

depreciation on the grass which nobody has ever done before when we went to the

has ever done before when we went to the

has ever done before when we went to the IRS they said nobody’s ever done that

IRS they said nobody’s ever done that

IRS they said nobody’s ever done that why do you want to do that I said

why do you want to do that I said

why do you want to do that I said because it makes a lot of sense it now

because it makes a lot of sense it now

because it makes a lot of sense it now makes sense so the most important thing

makes sense so the most important thing

makes sense so the most important thing was my ignorance in the market is what

was my ignorance in the market is what

was my ignorance in the market is what kept me from being trapped in the same

kept me from being trapped in the same

kept me from being trapped in the same box that all these other people were

box that all these other people were

box that all these other people were because I wasn’t trained like them I

because I wasn’t trained like them I

because I wasn’t trained like them I didn’t think like them and I didn’t have

didn’t think like them and I didn’t have

didn’t think like them and I didn’t have the burden of their paradigm the reason

the burden of their paradigm the reason

the burden of their paradigm the reason that solar prices were originally

that solar prices were originally

that solar prices were originally connected to utility cost or because the

connected to utility cost or because the

connected to utility cost or because the First Solar deals were done by utility

First Solar deals were done by utility

First Solar deals were done by utility people that’s their world the reason

people that’s their world the reason

people that’s their world the reason that the bio fuels wasn’t done is

that the bio fuels wasn’t done is

that the bio fuels wasn’t done is because they’re all looking at burning

because they’re all looking at burning

because they’re all looking at burning corn and to make ethanol these other

corn and to make ethanol these other

corn and to make ethanol these other things and nobody looked at the problem

things and nobody looked at the problem

things and nobody looked at the problem right in front of them which is five

right in front of them which is five

right in front of them which is five million tons a day of manure in the

million tons a day of manure in the

million tons a day of manure in the United States so I just came at it from

United States so I just came at it from

United States so I just came at it from outside the box which is what I really

outside the box which is what I really

outside the box which is what I really do people say think outside the box I

do people say think outside the box I

do people say think outside the box I live outside the box but the thing that

live outside the box but the thing that

live outside the box but the thing that kept me from being trapped in the box

kept me from being trapped in the box

kept me from being trapped in the box was that I wasn’t afraid of my ignorance

was that I wasn’t afraid of my ignorance

was that I wasn’t afraid of my ignorance I was able to go past the note because

I was able to go past the note because

I was able to go past the note because had I not done that I’d be here telling

had I not done that I’d be here telling

had I not done that I’d be here telling you about a crazy idea for I had for

you about a crazy idea for I had for

you about a crazy idea for I had for Stoller one time but I didn’t pursue it

Stoller one time but I didn’t pursue it

Stoller one time but I didn’t pursue it or a dream that I had about powering

or a dream that I had about powering

or a dream that I had about powering jets with the manure from cows because I

jets with the manure from cows because I

jets with the manure from cows because I didn’t listen to the knows ignorance

didn’t listen to the knows ignorance

didn’t listen to the knows ignorance isn’t an insult it’s actually a

isn’t an insult it’s actually a

isn’t an insult it’s actually a compliment it’s a compliment to the

compliment it’s a compliment to the

compliment it’s a compliment to the strength that it takes to go past

strength that it takes to go past

strength that it takes to go past the regular thinking to not stop when

the regular thinking to not stop when

the regular thinking to not stop when people say it can’t be done or

people say it can’t be done or

people say it can’t be done or somebody’s smarter than you would have

somebody’s smarter than you would have

somebody’s smarter than you would have already done it so I leave you with this

already done it so I leave you with this

already done it so I leave you with this I hope you do pursue those crazy ideas

I hope you do pursue those crazy ideas

I hope you do pursue those crazy ideas that you have because I know just about

that you have because I know just about

that you have because I know just about everybody has that crazy idea and

everybody has that crazy idea and

everybody has that crazy idea and they’re afraid to step out of the box

they’re afraid to step out of the box

they’re afraid to step out of the box and feel humiliated and like I did and

and feel humiliated and like I did and

and feel humiliated and like I did and my hope for you is that you’re ignorant

my hope for you is that you’re ignorant

my hope for you is that you’re ignorant enough to give it a real try thank you

enough to give it a real try thank you

enough to give it a real try thank you for sharing your time with me

for sharing your time with me

for sharing your time with me [Applause]

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