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Breaking the Gender Divide in Youth Sports | Liz Kennedy & Chris Kennedy | TEDxWestVancouverED


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[Music] I’ve always played a lot of sports from

I’ve always played a lot of sports from

I’ve always played a lot of sports from cheerleading to swimming to baseball to

cheerleading to swimming to baseball to

cheerleading to swimming to baseball to basketball they always have been and

basketball they always have been and

basketball they always have been and continue to be a huge part of my life

continue to be a huge part of my life

continue to be a huge part of my life this was thanks to my parents who since

this was thanks to my parents who since

this was thanks to my parents who since I was very young put me in basically

I was very young put me in basically

I was very young put me in basically every sport imaginable but I’m thankful

every sport imaginable but I’m thankful

every sport imaginable but I’m thankful for it and I think it shows because to

for it and I think it shows because to

for it and I think it shows because to this day in our house sports are part of

this day in our house sports are part of

this day in our house sports are part of daily life and when you have three

daily life and when you have three

daily life and when you have three siblings your parents often try to see

siblings your parents often try to see

siblings your parents often try to see if they can have more than one child

if they can have more than one child

if they can have more than one child playing on the same teams which often

playing on the same teams which often

playing on the same teams which often meant that my brother who is one year

meant that my brother who is one year

meant that my brother who is one year younger than me and I played together on

younger than me and I played together on

younger than me and I played together on the same teams some people find this

the same teams some people find this

the same teams some people find this strange but I’m not sure why when I run

strange but I’m not sure why when I run

strange but I’m not sure why when I run track or swim I trained the boys and

track or swim I trained the boys and

track or swim I trained the boys and girls so I should baseball or basketball

girls so I should baseball or basketball

girls so I should baseball or basketball be any different

be any different

be any different all kids care about is if you can play

all kids care about is if you can play

all kids care about is if you can play if you’re good a hard worker and willing

if you’re good a hard worker and willing

if you’re good a hard worker and willing to be competitive boys will play against

to be competitive boys will play against

to be competitive boys will play against you just like any other guy in over ten

you just like any other guy in over ten

you just like any other guy in over ten years of playing sports I’ve never felt

years of playing sports I’ve never felt

years of playing sports I’ve never felt that boy didn’t want to play with me or

that boy didn’t want to play with me or

that boy didn’t want to play with me or against me

against me

against me because of my gender there probably is a

because of my gender there probably is a

because of my gender there probably is a crazy sports parent’ talk in here

crazy sports parent’ talk in here

crazy sports parent’ talk in here somewhere about my wife and I you know

somewhere about my wife and I you know

somewhere about my wife and I you know we’ve been driving and coaching and

we’ve been driving and coaching and

we’ve been driving and coaching and cheering from the sidelines as our four

cheering from the sidelines as our four

cheering from the sidelines as our four kids have been growing up and we never

kids have been growing up and we never

kids have been growing up and we never really thought of this notion of gender

really thought of this notion of gender

really thought of this notion of gender of being important we were just trying

of being important we were just trying

of being important we were just trying to get our kids in a range of activities

to get our kids in a range of activities

to get our kids in a range of activities and we’ve been really surprised by how

and we’ve been really surprised by how

and we’ve been really surprised by how it seems to have struck other parents

it seems to have struck other parents

it seems to have struck other parents really differently parents do seem to

really differently parents do seem to

really differently parents do seem to get all caught up in gender I grew up in

get all caught up in gender I grew up in

get all caught up in gender I grew up in a house of with just brothers and none

a house of with just brothers and none

a house of with just brothers and none and in during all of our sports

and in during all of our sports

and in during all of our sports experiences I don’t think we ever had a

experiences I don’t think we ever had a

experiences I don’t think we ever had a time where we had girls on our teams but

time where we had girls on our teams but

time where we had girls on our teams but actually things have changed and it was

actually things have changed and it was

actually things have changed and it was probably not right then and it’s

probably not right then and it’s

probably not right then and it’s definitely not right now they’re not

definitely not right now they’re not

definitely not right now they’re not finding ways for girls and boys to be

finding ways for girls and boys to be

finding ways for girls and boys to be playing together in almost all

playing together in almost all

playing together in almost all activities there seems to be this notion

activities there seems to be this notion

activities there seems to be this notion that we’re protecting both boys and

that we’re protecting both boys and

that we’re protecting both boys and girls but I’m not really sure what

girls but I’m not really sure what

girls but I’m not really sure what exactly it is we’re protecting them from

exactly it is we’re protecting them from

exactly it is we’re protecting them from and then also at what cost are we doing

and then also at what cost are we doing

and then also at what cost are we doing it it’s interesting to see the reactions

it it’s interesting to see the reactions

it it’s interesting to see the reactions of other parents as our kids have been

of other parents as our kids have been

of other parents as our kids have been playing as our kids are playing sports

playing as our kids are playing sports

playing as our kids are playing sports and especially watching Liz play with

and especially watching Liz play with

and especially watching Liz play with her younger brother this is no great

her younger brother this is no great

her younger brother this is no great bold political statement we were trying

bold political statement we were trying

bold political statement we were trying to make as Elizabeth went and played

to make as Elizabeth went and played

to make as Elizabeth went and played with her brother who was a year younger

with her brother who was a year younger

with her brother who was a year younger as all of you know often sports are

as all of you know often sports are

as all of you know often sports are arranged in these two-year brackets and

arranged in these two-year brackets and

arranged in these two-year brackets and as she said you know we

as she said you know we

as she said you know we I was really out of convenience that we

I was really out of convenience that we

I was really out of convenience that we ended up having our son and our daughter

ended up having our son and our daughter

ended up having our son and our daughter play sports together but hearing some of

play sports together but hearing some of

play sports together but hearing some of the comments were really surprising

the comments were really surprising

the comments were really surprising there are those who said wow what a bold

there are those who said wow what a bold

there are those who said wow what a bold powerful statement you’re making you

powerful statement you’re making you

powerful statement you’re making you know having girls plate you having your

know having girls plate you having your

know having girls plate you having your daughter play with a boys team I

daughter play with a boys team I

daughter play with a boys team I actually never really understood that

actually never really understood that

actually never really understood that sports are just about kids having fun it

sports are just about kids having fun it

sports are just about kids having fun it wasn’t like we were trying to create any

wasn’t like we were trying to create any

wasn’t like we were trying to create any political statement by what we were

political statement by what we were

political statement by what we were doing but more concerning were some of

doing but more concerning were some of

doing but more concerning were some of the other comments that I heard from

the other comments that I heard from

the other comments that I heard from parents those comments like I’m really

parents those comments like I’m really

parents those comments like I’m really worried the girls are going to get hurt

worried the girls are going to get hurt

worried the girls are going to get hurt if they play with the boys as though

if they play with the boys as though

if they play with the boys as though somehow a five-year-old girls body is

somehow a five-year-old girls body is

somehow a five-year-old girls body is far more breakable than a five-year-old

far more breakable than a five-year-old

far more breakable than a five-year-old boys body or comments like you know I

boys body or comments like you know I

boys body or comments like you know I think it’s great what’s happening but

think it’s great what’s happening but

think it’s great what’s happening but I’m kind of worried about what some of

I’m kind of worried about what some of

I’m kind of worried about what some of the other parents might be thinking or I

the other parents might be thinking or I

the other parents might be thinking or I do remember one in particular who was

do remember one in particular who was

do remember one in particular who was who who said you know this is just

who who said you know this is just

who who said you know this is just outrageous this is such discrimination

outrageous this is such discrimination

outrageous this is such discrimination against all those boys by allowing a

against all those boys by allowing a

against all those boys by allowing a girl to play on the team and those are

girl to play on the team and those are

girl to play on the team and those are just a sampling and I have to tell you

just a sampling and I have to tell you

just a sampling and I have to tell you those actually aren’t the worst comments

those actually aren’t the worst comments

those actually aren’t the worst comments the worst comments are those kind of

the worst comments are those kind of

the worst comments are those kind of comments that I know in some circles get

comments that I know in some circles get

comments that I know in some circles get dismissed as locker room talk but are

dismissed as locker room talk but are

dismissed as locker room talk but are things that were never in vogue 30 or 40

things that were never in vogue 30 or 40

things that were never in vogue 30 or 40 years ago and the things that actually

years ago and the things that actually

years ago and the things that actually shouldn’t be thought said or thought

shouldn’t be thought said or thought

shouldn’t be thought said or thought about today it’s clear that that parents

about today it’s clear that that parents

about today it’s clear that that parents and to be fair both dads and moms are

and to be fair both dads and moms are

and to be fair both dads and moms are carrying over some of their views of the

carrying over some of their views of the

carrying over some of their views of the of growing up in the 60s 70s and 80s and

of growing up in the 60s 70s and 80s and

of growing up in the 60s 70s and 80s and then their their experiences in playing

then their their experiences in playing

then their their experiences in playing sports and they’re carrying them over

sports and they’re carrying them over

sports and they’re carrying them over into their adulthood

into their adulthood

into their adulthood and to being parents today just this

and to being parents today just this

and to being parents today just this past spring an all-girls soccer team

past spring an all-girls soccer team

past spring an all-girls soccer team from Spain with players around 13 years

from Spain with players around 13 years

from Spain with players around 13 years old when a 14 team boys League when the

old when a 14 team boys League when the

old when a 14 team boys League when the idea came around for this girls team to

idea came around for this girls team to

idea came around for this girls team to play in this league the girl’s parents

play in this league the girl’s parents

play in this league the girl’s parents were a little skeptical they were

were a little skeptical they were

were a little skeptical they were worried that their girls might get hurt

worried that their girls might get hurt

worried that their girls might get hurt by the boys the girls knew that wasn’t

by the boys the girls knew that wasn’t

by the boys the girls knew that wasn’t true they convince them otherwise

true they convince them otherwise

true they convince them otherwise so they went ahead and played in the

so they went ahead and played in the

so they went ahead and played in the league and they received a lot of

league and they received a lot of

league and they received a lot of criticism from the coaches of the other

criticism from the coaches of the other

criticism from the coaches of the other teams the referees and the boys parents

teams the referees and the boys parents

teams the referees and the boys parents there was one group that didn’t really

there was one group that didn’t really

there was one group that didn’t really seem to care and that was the boys

seem to care and that was the boys

seem to care and that was the boys they’re playing against the boys knew

they’re playing against the boys knew

they’re playing against the boys knew they were getting good games against a

they were getting good games against a

they were getting good games against a really good team and most importantly

really good team and most importantly

really good team and most importantly everyone was having

everyone was having

everyone was having fun and yes of course we still need

fun and yes of course we still need

fun and yes of course we still need girls only sports we have particular

girls only sports we have particular

girls only sports we have particular issues with girls getting and staying

issues with girls getting and staying

issues with girls getting and staying active and sometimes girl single gender

active and sometimes girl single gender

active and sometimes girl single gender opportunities can make them feel safe

opportunities can make them feel safe

opportunities can make them feel safe that’s why you should have co-ed and

that’s why you should have co-ed and

that’s why you should have co-ed and girls only are young ages girls can be

girls only are young ages girls can be

girls only are young ages girls can be and are just as competitive as boys so

and are just as competitive as boys so

and are just as competitive as boys so there might be the odds for exception

there might be the odds for exception

there might be the odds for exception but I’m not sure why we need any boy

but I’m not sure why we need any boy

but I’m not sure why we need any boy sports and then when it comes to

sports and then when it comes to

sports and then when it comes to organizing teams there are so many other

organizing teams there are so many other

organizing teams there are so many other ways to do it than by gender young ages

ways to do it than by gender young ages

ways to do it than by gender young ages the girls often and almost always are

the girls often and almost always are

the girls often and almost always are just as big and strong as boys of the

just as big and strong as boys of the

just as big and strong as boys of the same age so why not sort by size how

same age so why not sort by size how

same age so why not sort by size how about skills that everyone regardless of

about skills that everyone regardless of

about skills that everyone regardless of gender is appropriately challenged what

gender is appropriately challenged what

gender is appropriately challenged what about age what school they go to or who

about age what school they go to or who

about age what school they go to or who their friends are

their friends are

their friends are why do we always sort to jump to sorting

why do we always sort to jump to sorting

why do we always sort to jump to sorting by gender when there are so many other

by gender when there are so many other

by gender when there are so many other options we could explore in sports like

options we could explore in sports like

options we could explore in sports like swimming and track there are ways we can

swimming and track there are ways we can

swimming and track there are ways we can integrate more mixed gender relays that

integrate more mixed gender relays that

integrate more mixed gender relays that promote gender integration by having

promote gender integration by having

promote gender integration by having girls and boys competing together we

girls and boys competing together we

girls and boys competing together we have come a long way recently in the

have come a long way recently in the

have come a long way recently in the last generation are thinking of girls

last generation are thinking of girls

last generation are thinking of girls girls were to grow up and become nurses

girls were to grow up and become nurses

girls were to grow up and become nurses and boys were too comfy to grow up to

and boys were too comfy to grow up to

and boys were too comfy to grow up to become the doctors we shifted thinking

become the doctors we shifted thinking

become the doctors we shifted thinking from the idea that men were the ones who

from the idea that men were the ones who

from the idea that men were the ones who worked outside the home and women were

worked outside the home and women were

worked outside the home and women were the ones whose responsibility was to

the ones whose responsibility was to

the ones whose responsibility was to take care of the home and then in more

take care of the home and then in more

take care of the home and then in more recent years we’ve had dramatic shifts

recent years we’ve had dramatic shifts

recent years we’ve had dramatic shifts in views from homosexuality to more

in views from homosexuality to more

in views from homosexuality to more recently transgendered persons that has

recently transgendered persons that has

recently transgendered persons that has shifted our thinking from everything

shifted our thinking from everything

shifted our thinking from everything from bathrooms to marriage but we’re

from bathrooms to marriage but we’re

from bathrooms to marriage but we’re still holding on to some very dated

still holding on to some very dated

still holding on to some very dated views on some aspects when it comes to

views on some aspects when it comes to

views on some aspects when it comes to gender and the argument isn’t that we

gender and the argument isn’t that we

gender and the argument isn’t that we should never think about gender when it

should never think about gender when it

should never think about gender when it comes to sports absolutely by the time

comes to sports absolutely by the time

comes to sports absolutely by the time kids hit puberty we do need to be more

kids hit puberty we do need to be more

kids hit puberty we do need to be more thoughtful about how we organize boys

thoughtful about how we organize boys

thoughtful about how we organize boys and girls but until about the age of

and girls but until about the age of

and girls but until about the age of twelve it’s hard to find many examples

twelve it’s hard to find many examples

twelve it’s hard to find many examples of where we shouldn’t allow boys and

of where we shouldn’t allow boys and

of where we shouldn’t allow boys and girls to be playing together it’s hard

girls to be playing together it’s hard

girls to be playing together it’s hard to argue that five and six year olds

to argue that five and six year olds

to argue that five and six year olds shouldn’t share the same soccer field

shouldn’t share the same soccer field

shouldn’t share the same soccer field hockey rink or basketball court the only

hockey rink or basketball court the only

hockey rink or basketball court the only reason that we sin can’t continue to do

reason that we sin can’t continue to do

reason that we sin can’t continue to do this is because we’ve always done it

this is because we’ve always done it

this is because we’ve always done it this way and so we need to take that on

this way and so we need to take that on

this way and so we need to take that on because there are far better ways to

because there are far better ways to

because there are far better ways to begin to think about how we organize

begin to think about how we organize

begin to think about how we organize sports have the ability to send powerful

sports have the ability to send powerful

sports have the ability to send powerful strong messages

strong messages

strong messages that powerful strong message that we

that powerful strong message that we

that powerful strong message that we want to be sent is not that a girl

want to be sent is not that a girl

want to be sent is not that a girl playing on a boy sports team is some

playing on a boy sports team is some

playing on a boy sports team is some bold political powerful statement what

bold political powerful statement what

bold political powerful statement what we want the message to be is well that’s

we want the message to be is well that’s

we want the message to be is well that’s just the waiting of the norm that’s just

just the waiting of the norm that’s just

just the waiting of the norm that’s just how we do things and while we’re at it

how we do things and while we’re at it

how we do things and while we’re at it well we do some of this we’ll begin to

well we do some of this we’ll begin to

well we do some of this we’ll begin to tackle some of the really clear sexism

tackle some of the really clear sexism

tackle some of the really clear sexism that still exists everywhere from

that still exists everywhere from

that still exists everywhere from amateur to professional sports if we can

amateur to professional sports if we can

amateur to professional sports if we can remove gender tags from sports at a

remove gender tags from sports at a

remove gender tags from sports at a young age that’s at least a ripple in

young age that’s at least a ripple in

young age that’s at least a ripple in what is still is still something that we

what is still is still something that we

what is still is still something that we rarely talk about and still we still

rarely talk about and still we still

rarely talk about and still we still hold views from twenty thirty forty or a

hold views from twenty thirty forty or a

hold views from twenty thirty forty or a hundred years ago in many ways when we

hundred years ago in many ways when we

hundred years ago in many ways when we think about sports I’m happy to play

think about sports I’m happy to play

think about sports I’m happy to play like a girl

like a girl

like a girl and I will do it proudly when what was

and I will do it proudly when what was

and I will do it proudly when what was seen as an insult when my mom was

seen as an insult when my mom was

seen as an insult when my mom was growing up is now often a compliment as

growing up is now often a compliment as

growing up is now often a compliment as proof that our world is changing for the

proof that our world is changing for the

proof that our world is changing for the better and youth sports can help speed

better and youth sports can help speed

better and youth sports can help speed up that process when I’m told I throw

up that process when I’m told I throw

up that process when I’m told I throw like a girl or run like a girl or play

like a girl or run like a girl or play

like a girl or run like a girl or play like a girl I say thank you what if

like a girl I say thank you what if

like a girl I say thank you what if instead of boys soccer boys hockey and

instead of boys soccer boys hockey and

instead of boys soccer boys hockey and boys baseball

boys baseball

boys baseball we just had soccer hockey and baseball

we just had soccer hockey and baseball

we just had soccer hockey and baseball since when does the gender define the

since when does the gender define the

since when does the gender define the sport this could have a huge impact

sport this could have a huge impact

sport this could have a huge impact beyond just these sports moms dads

beyond just these sports moms dads

beyond just these sports moms dads if you run leagues organize teams listen

if you run leagues organize teams listen

if you run leagues organize teams listen to your sons they don’t care that I’m a

to your sons they don’t care that I’m a

to your sons they don’t care that I’m a girl like me your son’s just want to

girl like me your son’s just want to

girl like me your son’s just want to play the sport they love everyone wants

play the sport they love everyone wants

play the sport they love everyone wants to get better and have a lot of fun in

to get better and have a lot of fun in

to get better and have a lot of fun in the process so let’s get on with it

the process so let’s get on with it

the process so let’s get on with it thank you

thank you

thank you [Music]

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