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De-Enchanting AI with the Law | Kenneth Anderson | TEDxBoston


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[Music] ten years ago I was giving a talk at an

ten years ago I was giving a talk at an

ten years ago I was giving a talk at an engineering robotics conference I was

engineering robotics conference I was

engineering robotics conference I was the token lawyer and the talk was on AI

the token lawyer and the talk was on AI

the token lawyer and the talk was on AI robotics and law and at the end of the

robotics and law and at the end of the

robotics and law and at the end of the talk of hand goes up in the Q&A and an

talk of hand goes up in the Q&A and an

talk of hand goes up in the Q&A and an engineer stands up and says I don’t

engineer stands up and says I don’t

engineer stands up and says I don’t understand why we need all this law

understand why we need all this law

understand why we need all this law stuff and really he meant all these

stuff and really he meant all these

stuff and really he meant all these lawyers and all we have to do is make

lawyers and all we have to do is make

lawyers and all we have to do is make sure that all of our robots and AIS and

sure that all of our robots and AIS and

sure that all of our robots and AIS and all these things are programmed with

all these things are programmed with

all these things are programmed with Asimov’s Three Laws of Robotics and that

Asimov’s Three Laws of Robotics and that

Asimov’s Three Laws of Robotics and that it won’t ask how many people here are

it won’t ask how many people here are

it won’t ask how many people here are where the Three Laws of Robotics but I

where the Three Laws of Robotics but I

where the Three Laws of Robotics but I did ask that at this conference and

did ask that at this conference and

did ask that at this conference and every hand in the room goes up a robot

every hand in the room goes up a robot

every hand in the room goes up a robot may not harm a human being a robot may

may not harm a human being a robot may

may not harm a human being a robot may not allow harm to come to itself unless

not allow harm to come to itself unless

not allow harm to come to itself unless it’s required in order to spare the

it’s required in order to spare the

it’s required in order to spare the human being basic ethical considerations

human being basic ethical considerations

human being basic ethical considerations for robots so all good but the question

for robots so all good but the question

for robots so all good but the question that was being asked was why we needed

that was being asked was why we needed

that was being asked was why we needed anything more and at that time there

anything more and at that time there

anything more and at that time there wasn’t really that much in the way of

wasn’t really that much in the way of

wasn’t really that much in the way of actual technologies that were out there

actual technologies that were out there

actual technologies that were out there the one could look at and see what their

the one could look at and see what their

the one could look at and see what their function was their purpose was how they

function was their purpose was how they

function was their purpose was how they operated the risks they pose the

operated the risks they pose the

operated the risks they pose the benefits they gained gave us and so in

benefits they gained gave us and so in

benefits they gained gave us and so in those circumstances it was going to be

those circumstances it was going to be

those circumstances it was going to be hard to answer that question from the

hard to answer that question from the

hard to answer that question from the engineer now fast forward to today and

engineer now fast forward to today and

engineer now fast forward to today and we’re in a very different situation we

we’re in a very different situation we

we’re in a very different situation we are now actually seeing technologies AAI

are now actually seeing technologies AAI

are now actually seeing technologies AAI technologies move from prototype in the

technologies move from prototype in the

technologies move from prototype in the lab to actual functions and actual

lab to actual functions and actual

lab to actual functions and actual products and society and as we do that

products and society and as we do that

products and society and as we do that then the questions of law become much

then the questions of law become much

then the questions of law become much more important and looming and actual

more important and looming and actual

more important and looming and actual but important to stress it’s because law

but important to stress it’s because law

but important to stress it’s because law can only get actual

can only get actual

can only get actual the technologies get actual or are very

the technologies get actual or are very

the technologies get actual or are very close to being actual and so we are

close to being actual and so we are

close to being actual and so we are reaching that point now nor reaching a

reaching that point now nor reaching a

reaching that point now nor reaching a point it’s really quite a marvelous

point it’s really quite a marvelous

point it’s really quite a marvelous position to be in in which we now have

position to be in in which we now have

position to be in in which we now have enough actual real paths of technology

enough actual real paths of technology

enough actual real paths of technology that we can talk in real ways about the

that we can talk in real ways about the

that we can talk in real ways about the way in which society should regulate

way in which society should regulate

way in which society should regulate them and this is an exciting opportunity

them and this is an exciting opportunity

them and this is an exciting opportunity the regulation of actual technologies

the regulation of actual technologies

the regulation of actual technologies and in many ways this is going to be

and in many ways this is going to be

and in many ways this is going to be something that enables these

something that enables these

something that enables these technologies so there are enormous

technologies so there are enormous

technologies so there are enormous opportunities here we have to be sure

opportunities here we have to be sure

opportunities here we have to be sure that we take clear awareness of the

that we take clear awareness of the

that we take clear awareness of the various kinds of risks that are posed

various kinds of risks that are posed

various kinds of risks that are posed and the harms that are posed but this is

and the harms that are posed but this is

and the harms that are posed but this is what law regulation and technology have

what law regulation and technology have

what law regulation and technology have always done so in the middle of this

always done so in the middle of this

always done so in the middle of this exciting conversation we now find that

exciting conversation we now find that

exciting conversation we now find that there’s kind of an extreme and extrusion

there’s kind of an extreme and extrusion

there’s kind of an extreme and extrusion from the outside which is that certain

from the outside which is that certain

from the outside which is that certain prominent scientists and technologists

prominent scientists and technologists

prominent scientists and technologists are telling us that we yes need to

are telling us that we yes need to

are telling us that we yes need to regulate AI but we need to regulate

regulate AI but we need to regulate

regulate AI but we need to regulate artificial intelligence technologies for

artificial intelligence technologies for

artificial intelligence technologies for a very different reason not for reasons

a very different reason not for reasons

a very different reason not for reasons about the risks posed today or within

about the risks posed today or within

about the risks posed today or within the immediately visible path of

the immediately visible path of

the immediately visible path of technology but because we have to be

technology but because we have to be

technology but because we have to be worried that at some point in the future

worried that at some point in the future

worried that at some point in the future these AI technologies may become

these AI technologies may become

these AI technologies may become progressively smarter and smarter to the

progressively smarter and smarter to the

progressively smarter and smarter to the point that they escape human control

point that they escape human control

point that they escape human control transcend their human programming pose

transcend their human programming pose

transcend their human programming pose an existential threat to humanity and

an existential threat to humanity and

an existential threat to humanity and ravages this would be not so important

ravages this would be not so important

ravages this would be not so important were we not beginning the conversation

were we not beginning the conversation

were we not beginning the conversation about actual regulation of actual

about actual regulation of actual

about actual regulation of actual technology now and I suggest that this

technology now and I suggest that this

technology now and I suggest that this is an extraordinarily bad idea in public

is an extraordinarily bad idea in public

is an extraordinarily bad idea in public policy and regulation and that it

policy and regulation and that it

policy and regulation and that it threatens to hijack this conversation

threatens to hijack this conversation

threatens to hijack this conversation that we desperately need to have about

that we desperately need to have about

that we desperately need to have about actual technologies today

actual technologies today

actual technologies today fact I would go one step further and say

fact I would go one step further and say

fact I would go one step further and say that we need to aggressively push back

that we need to aggressively push back

that we need to aggressively push back against this kind of voice at the moment

against this kind of voice at the moment

against this kind of voice at the moment that the real regulation is most

that the real regulation is most

that the real regulation is most important you need to push back against

important you need to push back against

important you need to push back against that in large part by just saying these

that in large part by just saying these

that in large part by just saying these things are not risks there are

things are not risks there are

things are not risks there are existential risks to humanity nuclear

existential risks to humanity nuclear

existential risks to humanity nuclear war possibility of a bio engineered

war possibility of a bio engineered

war possibility of a bio engineered pathogen that could you know go out and

pathogen that could you know go out and

pathogen that could you know go out and do terrible terrible things but these

do terrible terrible things but these

do terrible terrible things but these have some basis in actual technologies

have some basis in actual technologies

have some basis in actual technologies even if they haven’t in fact been

even if they haven’t in fact been

even if they haven’t in fact been realized when we talk about the super

realized when we talk about the super

realized when we talk about the super intelligence that’s going to be too

intelligence that’s going to be too

intelligence that’s going to be too smart for us and ravages we’re talking

smart for us and ravages we’re talking

smart for us and ravages we’re talking about something completely different

about something completely different

about something completely different that’s in the realm of imagination and I

that’s in the realm of imagination and I

that’s in the realm of imagination and I don’t think that a bare logical

don’t think that a bare logical

don’t think that a bare logical possibility in a possible world as the

possibility in a possible world as the

possibility in a possible world as the philosophers might say constitutes a

philosophers might say constitutes a

philosophers might say constitutes a risk and it’s certainly not a risk that

risk and it’s certainly not a risk that

risk and it’s certainly not a risk that analysis of the kind that law regulation

analysis of the kind that law regulation

analysis of the kind that law regulation and public policy can or should even

and public policy can or should even

and public policy can or should even take into account and that’s in large

take into account and that’s in large

take into account and that’s in large part because we have plenty of risks

part because we have plenty of risks

part because we have plenty of risks that need to be taken into account for

that need to be taken into account for

that need to be taken into account for the technologies that we are actually

the technologies that we are actually

the technologies that we are actually seeing emerge now and can foresee very

seeing emerge now and can foresee very

seeing emerge now and can foresee very quickly coming into being but one of the

quickly coming into being but one of the

quickly coming into being but one of the questions that arises is why does this

questions that arises is why does this

questions that arises is why does this happen with AI technologies I mean in

happen with AI technologies I mean in

happen with AI technologies I mean in other words why are some of the most

other words why are some of the most

other words why are some of the most eminent voices in the field

eminent voices in the field

eminent voices in the field technologists you know great minds in

technologists you know great minds in

technologists you know great minds in the field why do they suddenly flip into

the field why do they suddenly flip into

the field why do they suddenly flip into this kind of AI apocalypse mode based

this kind of AI apocalypse mode based

this kind of AI apocalypse mode based around kind of imaginary possibilities

around kind of imaginary possibilities

around kind of imaginary possibilities we don’t do this with other technologies

we don’t do this with other technologies

we don’t do this with other technologies nobody does this with toasters nobody

nobody does this with toasters nobody

nobody does this with toasters nobody does it with toasters that are connected

does it with toasters that are connected

does it with toasters that are connected to the Internet of Things well what is

to the Internet of Things well what is

to the Internet of Things well what is it about AI that winds up eliciting

it about AI that winds up eliciting

it about AI that winds up eliciting these kinds of responses and let me just

these kinds of responses and let me just

these kinds of responses and let me just call this AI enchantment the technology

call this AI enchantment the technology

call this AI enchantment the technology has this capability of enchanting the

has this capability of enchanting the

has this capability of enchanting the inventors enchanting users and let’s be

inventors enchanting users and let’s be

inventors enchanting users and let’s be clear has the capacity to enchant the

clear has the capacity to enchant the

clear has the capacity to enchant the legal regulator type people

legal regulator type people

legal regulator type people lawyers the government regulators judges

lawyers the government regulators judges

lawyers the government regulators judges and legislators as well and by a chant I

and legislators as well and by a chant I

and legislators as well and by a chant I mean that it winds up leading to

mean that it winds up leading to

mean that it winds up leading to distorted perspectives distorted

distorted perspectives distorted

distorted perspectives distorted perceptions and distorted expectations

perceptions and distorted expectations

perceptions and distorted expectations about what the technology is what its

about what the technology is what its

about what the technology is what its capabilities and limitations are and

capabilities and limitations are and

capabilities and limitations are and winds up distorting the ways in which we

winds up distorting the ways in which we

winds up distorting the ways in which we think about it and this can happen in

think about it and this can happen in

think about it and this can happen in two different directions it can distort

two different directions it can distort

two different directions it can distort us into kind of the dystopian versions

us into kind of the dystopian versions

us into kind of the dystopian versions that are preferred by Hollywood the AI

that are preferred by Hollywood the AI

that are preferred by Hollywood the AI apocalypse apocalyptic AI but it can

apocalypse apocalyptic AI but it can

apocalypse apocalyptic AI but it can also be distorted in the other direction

also be distorted in the other direction

also be distorted in the other direction in the sort of utopian direction into

in the sort of utopian direction into

in the sort of utopian direction into kind of fantasies that these

kind of fantasies that these

kind of fantasies that these technologies will produce a sort of

technologies will produce a sort of

technologies will produce a sort of utopia in which we are all warm and

utopia in which we are all warm and

utopia in which we are all warm and happy all of our material needs are

happy all of our material needs are

happy all of our material needs are solved and we can just devote ourselves

solved and we can just devote ourselves

solved and we can just devote ourselves to mindfulness

these are exaggerations of various kinds

these are exaggerations of various kinds and the question is what brings them

and the question is what brings them

and the question is what brings them about how do they arise now I want to

about how do they arise now I want to

about how do they arise now I want to suggest it’s because AI is special among

suggest it’s because AI is special among

suggest it’s because AI is special among technologies in the way in which it

technologies in the way in which it

technologies in the way in which it tends to destabilize mental categories

tends to destabilize mental categories

tends to destabilize mental categories we have that we use to structure our

we have that we use to structure our

we have that we use to structure our world and in destabilizing them suddenly

world and in destabilizing them suddenly

world and in destabilizing them suddenly the idea that there are sort of fixed

the idea that there are sort of fixed

the idea that there are sort of fixed limits and possibilities winds up

limits and possibilities winds up

limits and possibilities winds up getting all fuzzy up as well and blurred

getting all fuzzy up as well and blurred

getting all fuzzy up as well and blurred one of these lines that AI is

one of these lines that AI is

one of these lines that AI is particularly addressed to is the

particularly addressed to is the

particularly addressed to is the difference between creatures and things

difference between creatures and things

difference between creatures and things and in destabilizing that line along

and in destabilizing that line along

and in destabilizing that line along with the line of machine execution

with the line of machine execution

with the line of machine execution execution of its programming on the one

execution of its programming on the one

execution of its programming on the one hand and human consciousness

hand and human consciousness

hand and human consciousness intentionality purpose and will on the

intentionality purpose and will on the

intentionality purpose and will on the other those lines get blurred which

other those lines get blurred which

other those lines get blurred which artificial intelligence almost the very

artificial intelligence almost the very

artificial intelligence almost the very terminology invites us to do the result

terminology invites us to do the result

terminology invites us to do the result of that can wind up being that we

of that can wind up being that we

of that can wind up being that we suddenly have an explosion of mental

suddenly have an explosion of mental

suddenly have an explosion of mental possibilities of things that no longer

possibilities of things that no longer

possibilities of things that no longer seem to have limits to us not confined

seem to have limits to us not confined

seem to have limits to us not confined which can be a great thing until we try

which can be a great thing until we try

which can be a great thing until we try to enact that into law but in this

to enact that into law but in this

to enact that into law but in this process of an explosion of possibility

process of an explosion of possibility

process of an explosion of possibility as it leads to exaggerations that push

as it leads to exaggerations that push

as it leads to exaggerations that push out to these extremes the AI apocalypse

out to these extremes the AI apocalypse

out to these extremes the AI apocalypse on the one hand and angelic AI as we

on the one hand and angelic AI as we

on the one hand and angelic AI as we might call the utopian possibility on

might call the utopian possibility on

might call the utopian possibility on the other I think they’re both mistakes

the other I think they’re both mistakes

the other I think they’re both mistakes but now particularly the technologists

but now particularly the technologists

but now particularly the technologists in the audience are thinking to

in the audience are thinking to

in the audience are thinking to themselves yeah but I do not suffer from

themselves yeah but I do not suffer from

themselves yeah but I do not suffer from sci-fi AI enchantment you know I mean I

sci-fi AI enchantment you know I mean I

sci-fi AI enchantment you know I mean I stick to my knitting and do stuff I’m

stick to my knitting and do stuff I’m

stick to my knitting and do stuff I’m not under this enchantment I want to

not under this enchantment I want to

not under this enchantment I want to suggest however that this is too quick a

suggest however that this is too quick a

suggest however that this is too quick a conclusion because there are ways in

conclusion because there are ways in

conclusion because there are ways in which you can have a form of AI

which you can have a form of AI

which you can have a form of AI enchantment dealing with very ordinary

enchantment dealing with very ordinary

enchantment dealing with very ordinary applications of the technologies that

applications of the technologies that

applications of the technologies that are in front of us today and are

are in front of us today and are

are in front of us today and are emerging in the foreseeable paths of

emerging in the foreseeable paths of

emerging in the foreseeable paths of technology now doesn’t require any

technology now doesn’t require any

technology now doesn’t require any sci-fi possibilities there are a number

sci-fi possibilities there are a number

sci-fi possibilities there are a number of ways in which that can arise but the

of ways in which that can arise but the

of ways in which that can arise but the one I want to pinpoint today is one that

one I want to pinpoint today is one that

one I want to pinpoint today is one that I think is overlooked in part at least

I think is overlooked in part at least

I think is overlooked in part at least in the world beyond the technologists

in the world beyond the technologists

in the world beyond the technologists themselves and this is the fact that the

themselves and this is the fact that the

themselves and this is the fact that the language that we use to express human

language that we use to express human

language that we use to express human action turns out to be exactly the same

action turns out to be exactly the same

action turns out to be exactly the same words we use to describe machine actions

words we use to describe machine actions

words we use to describe machine actions so we say for human beings

so we say for human beings

so we say for human beings she decides to when we say decides in

she decides to when we say decides in

she decides to when we say decides in that case we are talking about decide as

that case we are talking about decide as

that case we are talking about decide as a word that is bound up and connected to

a word that is bound up and connected to

a word that is bound up and connected to all of human purposiveness she decides

all of human purposiveness she decides

all of human purposiveness she decides because she has intentions because she

because she has intentions because she

because she has intentions because she has purpose because she has will we used

has purpose because she has will we used

has purpose because she has will we used the same word when we talk about the

the same word when we talk about the

the same word when we talk about the computer deciding to take an action as

computer deciding to take an action as

computer deciding to take an action as it executes its programming

it executes its programming

it executes its programming if you and that’s perfectly okay so long

if you and that’s perfectly okay so long

if you and that’s perfectly okay so long as one bears in mind that we don’t

as one bears in mind that we don’t

as one bears in mind that we don’t actually mean quite the same thing and I

actually mean quite the same thing and I

actually mean quite the same thing and I don’t know what alternative language

don’t know what alternative language

don’t know what alternative language we’d come up with it’s very difficult to

we’d come up with it’s very difficult to

we’d come up with it’s very difficult to think of a whole new set of words that

think of a whole new set of words that

think of a whole new set of words that would describe what the machine is doing

would describe what the machine is doing

would describe what the machine is doing so we use the same words for both but

so we use the same words for both but

so we use the same words for both but insofar as those two get confused

insofar as those two get confused

insofar as those two get confused conflated and mixed up it invites very

conflated and mixed up it invites very

conflated and mixed up it invites very very distorted perceptions of what the

very distorted perceptions of what the

very distorted perceptions of what the technology might be now technologists

technology might be now technologists

technology might be now technologists and my experience are actually very

and my experience are actually very

and my experience are actually very attentive to this problem and don’t tend

attentive to this problem and don’t tend

attentive to this problem and don’t tend to fall into it but I do not think that

to fall into it but I do not think that

to fall into it but I do not think that the ordinary world is going to be able

the ordinary world is going to be able

the ordinary world is going to be able to maintain some strict distance between

to maintain some strict distance between

to maintain some strict distance between these and differentiation and I can

these and differentiation and I can

these and differentiation and I can assure you that lawyers government

assure you that lawyers government

assure you that lawyers government regulators judges and legislators will

regulators judges and legislators will

regulators judges and legislators will not be able to maintain any kind of

not be able to maintain any kind of

not be able to maintain any kind of distance like that at least not if they

distance like that at least not if they

distance like that at least not if they are not educated and made aware of the

are not educated and made aware of the

are not educated and made aware of the possibilities in order to sort of

possibilities in order to sort of

possibilities in order to sort of separate out what’s machine and what’s

separate out what’s machine and what’s

separate out what’s machine and what’s misplaced expectations imported into AI

misplaced expectations imported into AI

misplaced expectations imported into AI technologies because we’ve pulled in a

technologies because we’ve pulled in a

technologies because we’ve pulled in a certain set of human concepts now law

certain set of human concepts now law

certain set of human concepts now law has a role to play in just regulation if

has a role to play in just regulation if

has a role to play in just regulation if you play in society I got a play by

you play in society I got a play by

you play in society I got a play by society’s rules but with respect to this

society’s rules but with respect to this

society’s rules but with respect to this enchantment law can have a role in

enchantment law can have a role in

enchantment law can have a role in helping to disenchant sorry 2d enchant

helping to disenchant sorry 2d enchant

helping to disenchant sorry 2d enchant 2d enchant AI and to sort of take down

2d enchant AI and to sort of take down

2d enchant AI and to sort of take down some of this enchantment that threatens

some of this enchantment that threatens

some of this enchantment that threatens to distort and give us misperceptions

to distort and give us misperceptions

to distort and give us misperceptions and it does so primarily by two

and it does so primarily by two

and it does so primarily by two mechanisms one is that the law which is

mechanisms one is that the law which is

mechanisms one is that the law which is been dealing with new technologies for a

been dealing with new technologies for a

been dealing with new technologies for a long time looks at AI technologies as

long time looks at AI technologies as

long time looks at AI technologies as they come online and says we’re gonna

they come online and says we’re gonna

they come online and says we’re gonna put them into existing legal categories

put them into existing legal categories

put them into existing legal categories and the legal categories we have out

and the legal categories we have out

and the legal categories we have out there reflect long-standing human

there reflect long-standing human

there reflect long-standing human concerns that are not going to go away

concerns that are not going to go away

concerns that are not going to go away human values that we have so safety

human values that we have so safety

human values that we have so safety there’s one but also

there’s one but also

there’s one but also equality and justice and fairness and

equality and justice and fairness and

equality and justice and fairness and these other qualities that are reflected

these other qualities that are reflected

these other qualities that are reflected in categories of law and those are not

in categories of law and those are not

in categories of law and those are not going to get tossed out the window on

going to get tossed out the window on

going to get tossed out the window on account of some AI technology but they

account of some AI technology but they

account of some AI technology but they have the effect of sort of grounding the

have the effect of sort of grounding the

have the effect of sort of grounding the technology and giving it a sense of

technology and giving it a sense of

technology and giving it a sense of limits that are contained within human

limits that are contained within human

limits that are contained within human purposes the second way in which law can

purposes the second way in which law can

purposes the second way in which law can help be enchant AI is by call it siloing

help be enchant AI is by call it siloing

help be enchant AI is by call it siloing we will tend to regulate particular a AI

we will tend to regulate particular a AI

we will tend to regulate particular a AI technologies according to the function

technologies according to the function

technologies according to the function they play and the existing laws and the

they play and the existing laws and the

they play and the existing laws and the existing regulations and the existing

existing regulations and the existing

existing regulations and the existing regulators soft driving car technologies

regulators soft driving car technologies

regulators soft driving car technologies will be regulated by the Department of

will be regulated by the Department of

will be regulated by the Department of Transportation the National Highway

Transportation the National Highway

Transportation the National Highway Safety Transportation Board

Safety Transportation Board

Safety Transportation Board Transportation Safety Board and stuff

Transportation Safety Board and stuff

Transportation Safety Board and stuff related to privacy stuff related to the

related to privacy stuff related to the

related to privacy stuff related to the use of facial recognition software

use of facial recognition software

use of facial recognition software predictive analytics and sentencing

predictive analytics and sentencing

predictive analytics and sentencing behavior for criminals all of these

behavior for criminals all of these

behavior for criminals all of these different kinds of things will tend to

different kinds of things will tend to

different kinds of things will tend to be regulated by whoever deals with that

be regulated by whoever deals with that

be regulated by whoever deals with that kind of stuff already and the effect of

kind of stuff already and the effect of

kind of stuff already and the effect of that is to break down the kind of

that is to break down the kind of

that is to break down the kind of illusion associated the enchantment

illusion associated the enchantment

illusion associated the enchantment associated with artificial intelligence

associated with artificial intelligence

associated with artificial intelligence considered as a single category all by

considered as a single category all by

considered as a single category all by itself we break it down and discrete and

itself we break it down and discrete and

itself we break it down and discrete and much more human oriented forms of

much more human oriented forms of

much more human oriented forms of technology and regulation now there is

technology and regulation now there is

technology and regulation now there is however a risk of course that law itself

however a risk of course that law itself

however a risk of course that law itself can become enchanted and that all these

can become enchanted and that all these

can become enchanted and that all these people that are part of the legal

people that are part of the legal

people that are part of the legal players legal actors can become

players legal actors can become

players legal actors can become enchanted and I think without concerted

enchanted and I think without concerted

enchanted and I think without concerted awareness and education become aware

awareness and education become aware

awareness and education become aware yeah I think they will be enchanted and

yeah I think they will be enchanted and

yeah I think they will be enchanted and they will have very distorted

they will have very distorted

they will have very distorted impressions about what the technology is

impressions about what the technology is

impressions about what the technology is what it’s capable of what its

what it’s capable of what its

what it’s capable of what its limitations are there are two basic

limitations are there are two basic

limitations are there are two basic defenses against this kind of

defenses against this kind of

defenses against this kind of Enchantment of law one of them

Enchantment of law one of them

Enchantment of law one of them is that simply the people involved in

is that simply the people involved in

is that simply the people involved in this have got to be very sophisticated

this have got to be very sophisticated

this have got to be very sophisticated about the technology itself and I don’t

about the technology itself and I don’t

about the technology itself and I don’t mean at the level of the computer

mean at the level of the computer

mean at the level of the computer scientists and engineers but I do mean

scientists and engineers but I do mean

scientists and engineers but I do mean in ways to be able to ask sophisticated

in ways to be able to ask sophisticated

in ways to be able to ask sophisticated questions that show an awareness of the

questions that show an awareness of the

questions that show an awareness of the distinct areas of AI machine learning

distinct areas of AI machine learning

distinct areas of AI machine learning and so on and so on at a level that will

and so on and so on at a level that will

and so on and so on at a level that will help them to ask the questions about

help them to ask the questions about

help them to ask the questions about these things from the standpoint of our

these things from the standpoint of our

these things from the standpoint of our human intended uses of the technology

human intended uses of the technology

human intended uses of the technology and that’s the perspective that the

and that’s the perspective that the

and that’s the perspective that the regulator’s should have they have to be

regulator’s should have they have to be

regulator’s should have they have to be able to translate that into something

able to translate that into something

able to translate that into something that’s concrete the second way in which

that’s concrete the second way in which

that’s concrete the second way in which we wind up getting past this risk of

we wind up getting past this risk of

we wind up getting past this risk of enchantment is important because it says

enchantment is important because it says

enchantment is important because it says we will de enchant because we will

we will de enchant because we will

we will de enchant because we will insist that we treat AI technologies not

insist that we treat AI technologies not

insist that we treat AI technologies not as anything which is kind of outside or

as anything which is kind of outside or

as anything which is kind of outside or beyond human experience or anything even

beyond human experience or anything even

beyond human experience or anything even outside of human beings but that it’s

outside of human beings but that it’s

outside of human beings but that it’s just another tool like any technology

just another tool like any technology

just another tool like any technology that human beings have invented ever and

that human beings have invented ever and

that human beings have invented ever and if we see AI technologies as just

if we see AI technologies as just

if we see AI technologies as just another human tool this again will tend

another human tool this again will tend

another human tool this again will tend to ground them in the question of how

to ground them in the question of how

to ground them in the question of how good are they at carrying out the things

good are they at carrying out the things

good are they at carrying out the things we care about as human beings and to the

we care about as human beings and to the

we care about as human beings and to the extent that law and regulation is able

extent that law and regulation is able

extent that law and regulation is able to make that kind of question concrete

to make that kind of question concrete

to make that kind of question concrete how good is it as a tool then we will be

how good is it as a tool then we will be

how good is it as a tool then we will be asking about the effectiveness of that

asking about the effectiveness of that

asking about the effectiveness of that tool in ways in which it can be bettered

tool in ways in which it can be bettered

tool in ways in which it can be bettered we will not be sitting around worrying

we will not be sitting around worrying

we will not be sitting around worrying about technology getting AI technology

about technology getting AI technology

about technology getting AI technology getting progressively smarter and

getting progressively smarter and

getting progressively smarter and smarter and smarter

smarter and smarter

smarter and smarter until it ravages us ravages us so the

until it ravages us ravages us so the

until it ravages us ravages us so the question that’s going to arise for EIA I

question that’s going to arise for EIA I

question that’s going to arise for EIA I is never going to be is the technology

is never going to be is the technology

is never going to be is the technology too smart

too smart

too smart the problem is never going to be that

the problem is never going to be that

the problem is never going to be that the technology is too smart it will

the technology is too smart it will

the technology is too smart it will always be that it’s too stupid and too

always be that it’s too stupid and too

always be that it’s too stupid and too stupid in the sense that it’s a human

stupid in the sense that it’s a human

stupid in the sense that it’s a human tool and that’s what we need it and use

tool and that’s what we need it and use

tool and that’s what we need it and use it for that means then that if we don’t

it for that means then that if we don’t

it for that means then that if we don’t get past the enchantment of AI then we

get past the enchantment of AI then we

get past the enchantment of AI then we run the risk of thinking the problem is

run the risk of thinking the problem is

run the risk of thinking the problem is that it’s too smart and if we frame it

that it’s too smart and if we frame it

that it’s too smart and if we frame it that way as a question of risks of being

that way as a question of risks of being

that way as a question of risks of being too smart that we must regulate against

too smart that we must regulate against

too smart that we must regulate against then we’re going to wind up producing

then we’re going to wind up producing

then we’re going to wind up producing bad law for good technology if on the

bad law for good technology if on the

bad law for good technology if on the other hand we get past the AI

other hand we get past the AI

other hand we get past the AI enchantment we do get past it then in

enchantment we do get past it then in

enchantment we do get past it then in that case we will be able to focus on

that case we will be able to focus on

that case we will be able to focus on the question of the AI as a tool which

the question of the AI as a tool which

the question of the AI as a tool which we can make better and we will

we can make better and we will

we can make better and we will understand them that we can have better

understand them that we can have better

understand them that we can have better technology through better law thank you

technology through better law thank you

technology through better law thank you [Applause]

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