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Le temps existe-t-il vraiment, ou est-ce simplement un concept? | Marc Lachièze-Rey | TEDxChambery


I am a theoretical physicist so my

speech is going to be substantially

different from the previous and yet

you will see that maybe you

find some similarities

it’s a bit of a surprise for me but

you will see I am specialized in

theoretical physics in physics

fundamental and I wondered in

how far does this discipline

talk about the reality of the world but of

the reality of the world what is it that

space time the material the

light the glide and so on and

notions that are finally achieved

in a rather difficult way with

experiences very observations

delicate and that’s why we talk

of fundamental physics because it

this is fundamental questions is

very difficult to tackle

and I wondered in what

measure this discipline could we

help and guide us in our life

personal in our lives of all

days and I arrived at several

answers and I chose one for

you talk about it tonight there are some

others there are others for example

unique and very interesting is

question the creativity of these

scientists who gave us

remarkable results like einstein

or newton galilée and many others and

it is extremely interesting

extremely rewarding and when we

questions the reasons for this

creativity

oh of course there is no miracle there is

no easy answers but

find some of the aspects that we

just heard but it’s another

that’s another aspect that I want

to evoke tonight is the lesson that I

would like to shoot it’s finally it

beware of our intuition there

to take back what was said all

on time

beware of our first impressions

so it’s not quite in the

hands

circumstances it’s not so much about

meetings with colleagues or

people we are brought to

to attend but be wary of

impressions in a general way

and when we want to understand what is

pass around us and for that

I had chosen an example that will be

drawn from the fundamental physics of the

general relativity which is a

theory of which of course you

have heard about it and you do not

know maybe not in all his

details and I tell you a few

words

I could have chosen another

branch of theoretical physics which

is called quantum physics which is

full of surprises but so

I chose tonight relativity

general and a more specific theme that

is that of temporal notions and you

go see that general relativity

sends us a message that is very

clear is that time does not exist and

yet time is something

that we handle every day that

allows us to find ourselves

give appointments that we

use without stop in our

practice in all aspects of our

life

and yet physics teaches us

that time does not exist and I would like

to make a precision that is also very

important because sometimes and me

even I just told you

relativity the theory the

general relativity tells us that

time does not exist but in fact it is

not quite that is it’s

very precise world observation

by physicists by their experience

by the observations that teaches us

that time does not exist and that’s

then general relativity by

the intermediate dalsh of einstein who in

was the creator it’s einstein who

by this theory gives us a

interpretation of the world that holds

account of this fact established that time

does not exist ie it is not the

general relativity or anything

what theory will you say

specifically time does not exist

but it is the observation of the world

experimentation on the world

the research that physicists do

practical and concrete way that we

says the world as we discover is

incompatible with the existence of time

and then general relativity

built by einstein will give us

a description of the world that takes in

account of this fact but who I repeat is

a fact of infective observations

of experience the time does not exist and

why I chose this topic if because

that obviously the existence of time that

is so much and so pervades our

music our lives is something

something we had the intuition

it’s something that seems to us

obvious time obviously exists on

want to say well no

the observation of the world itches

so to start before going back

in the subject of relativity

General

I just want to expose you a

result of very precise experiments

I could have chosen a lot but I

will give you one that is very

accurate that was accomplished there is

few years and that will illustrate the

does not exist time that you

will give one an experimentation if

you want concrete

so these are the most clocks

accurate than men and never

built these are atomic clocks

these are very atomic clocks

complicated very systems

complicated called in this case

particular optical fountains for

reasons that I will not go to you

explain here and these clocks are

extremely accurate ie if

you have a watch and your watch

do not go forward let’s say one second

delayed by one second in one year

good you’re going to be I think pretty

satisfied me I never have a watch

as precise good and well there the

clocks that I’m talking about you can

to be sure only about 13 billion

of years of existence of the universe they

do not advance or delay more

of a second

so this is the most accurate lose that

we never could build and it’s

even hard to imagine better

good then physicists have built

clocks like that and if you

leave one beside the other and

well they are perfectly

synchronized

when you put them on time you

obviously at the same time

and l always always indicates

the same hour as long as it stays one

next to each other but you take

one of these clocks and then you

bring it slowly to the floor at

above in the building you let it

a moment at the stage above and then

you bring it down and and when you

the down and well his indication

no longer coincides with the indication

the other clock while these are two

perfect clocks

so of course they will not be

shifted by one second of a minute

but a small fraction seconds but

that their precision makes it possible to measure

means what it means everything

simply that there is one thing that is

sure is that since both

clocks walk to perfection

and since it gives results

different if time is there

at least one of the two that does not give

the time they do not measure the time

and if you take 10 clock

different than you make them from

different routes in the building

again it’s something that

was achieved simply by ascending

the clock on the floor above

a few meters higher you will have

with 10 clock of the result

different with his clock without

different result and there is no

reason to think that they are one who

indicates the time and the other which

would indicate something else then we

could imagine several times ago

there is the time number in which indicates

the clock number one the time number 2

and but at that moment you go

to be forced to imagine that times

and has two

if you have 10 clock there are 10 if

everyone at his clock

how many 7 billion people

on earth there will be 7 billion time

different etc etc

there is no limit so it is

impossible to imagine that time and 7

billions of facets like that and

finally the only way to get

go out and that’s what do the

physicists and this has been confirmed by

from experience of other types that I have

no time to exhibit tonight but

finally the only coherent vision of the

world is to say time does exist

not so what measures a

clock and many a measurement clock

finally a duration is not at all

the same thing ie the clock

measure the time elapsed since the

when it is put on time

until we go to the lyre and

finally the message we have

according to this experience it is that

between two very specific moments and well

two clocks two people are going

measure go live will experience

different durations

the physicist paul langevin who was a

einstein’s friends in the years

1920 and who was one of the first to

to have understood the general relativity

imagined a little experience of

thought in this kind an experience of

two twins two twins who

obviously when he is born snes at the same

place and have the same age and then a

of the two twins going at one point

go on a trip to space and

find his twin brother and well

that they are the same age to the point of

departure let’s say the moment they

kiss before the twin

travelers board his ship

spatial and the moment of return when

to find each other well there was one who

lived for example 20 years and the other who

lived fifty years so they’ll get

find in the situation where his two

twins who obviously initially had

the same age well there is one who

will be 40 years old and the other 70 years

good it’s something that has never

been made for reasons

practical because it would be necessary

twin travelers to make a trip

very fast with a rocket that the

subject to an acceleration that

would be unsustainable

but if you want it’s a

transcription at our scale of this

experience clock was

realized and so the conclusion

again is that time does not

can not exist because each of the

two twins could say – the duration

that I lived is a measure of time

and as they are different he can

not be a single time for all the

world and that is the message of the

relativity and this relativity

where does it come from you know it’s

a creation of this son

an awesome guy named albert

einstein and to say two words good

albert einstein was born in 1889 and in

1879 pardon and in 1905

while Anne Stein was employed in

a patent office while he

had never been in universities

when he had never had contact

with faculty with teaching

university graduate he wrote

in this year 1905 three articles

who have all three in a way

different revolutionized physics

while it was not at all

professional researcher like there is

had already at the time and as there

still more today

so that’s one of the great mysteries

how this young man apart from

circuits could have three ideas too

awesome of course the historians the

psychologists everyone is interested

a lot to that but I will leave

side for tonight but among these three

articles there is one that we consider

as the foundation of physics

quantum another one that we consider

as a confirmation that we had

really needed at the time of what we

call the atomic hypothesis

that is, the design of the

matter that is made of atoms which

is our design today is the

third article founded this

theory of relativity

because einstein discovered this

fundamental thing that time does exist

not he did not discover in the way

which I indicated previously

because the experiences that I you

mentioned that they were made there

a few years ago was not at all

within the reach of the technology of

the time he discovered it from another

way by questions of

synchronicity I’m not going to you

expose here but have been analyzed

of course by the physicists we

explain me in relativity classes

which have also been analyzed by

historians because like einstein is

he came to all that good it’s

extremely interesting also

but what’s interesting is that

what einstein found out first

is that the notion of simultaneity

can not exist

so imagine that you have a friend a

colleague and cosmonauts and who

find on the planet march and you have

want to ask you the question at

the precise moment when I

what is my friend talking about?

to do on the planet march

at the precise moment when I speak good

you can ask him the question

have the soul is that if you ask me the

wanted question send a message by

example by radio the message 28 minutes

so after eight minutes he goes

receive the question what are you

doing it he ‘ll say I’m in

decapsulate a bottle of

beer

but when you go to receive the

answer eight minutes it will still be

elapsed so he will have largely bus to

beer and anyway you will not have

we will not have the answer of what he

did when you sent

the message

so there is a communication problem

how to synchronize how to know

what my colleague from planet mars

does at the moment I speak and einstein

realized that there was

a difficulty

so this difficulty he tried to

solve it

he tried to tell himself is what we

could imagine a procedure that goes

to be necessarily more complicated than this

exchange of signals that I just

to mention is what we could

imagine a procedure allowing me to

to know what my friend is doing right now

for example me I capsules a

bottle of beer

hey he imagined a process like that

on which everyone has put

okay and well I apply this process

which is a bit complicated but who is

quite feasible in practice and

I come to the conclusion

while I capsules my bottle

of beer my friend on march is also in

decapsulate his bottle of

beer the problem is that if my friend

on march is doing

exactly the same as me

and ask yourself what is

when he capsules his bottle

of beer he’ll find that I’m in

finishing the video is so

absolutely impossible to put

okay and there is no way on the

notion of simultaneity ie me

I will think that homo eats

my bottle

my boyfriend’s capsules his bottle him

he’ll think that by the time gilles

capsules his bottle

I have almost finished my beer

there is no way to get in

Okay

so it’s an impossibility of the

simultaneity and so it’s also a

impossibility of time because if the

time existed if for example we could

said

it is currently 20 hours in all

the universe

the notion of simultaneity it would

very well defined just say to

the other looks at your watch which indicates the

time if we indicated the time and say

me what you did at 8 pm and I

know what I did at 8 pm I

capsules and my good beer and in this

case we could agree

on an answer

so if you want the impossibility of

to agree on a response that

was found by einstein well which has

been confirmed in multiple ways

since tells us that not only does

notion of simultaneity does not exist

but the notion of time can not

to exist

on the other hand, the notion of duration exists

perfectly what a clock measures

again this is the duration that

has passed for this clock

accurate from when making

so the time is finally the fact that

for two clocks that live two

different stories

because we have a breastfeeding age at

above the durations do not coincide

it surprises us of course that we

prevents us from doing what we do

usually that is to say to say

takes all the durations that coincide

everything is to say it’s called the time

now if it’s hard and a

coincide more well we can more

call it the time in life

commonplace of course as the

differences that I’m talking about it’s

microseconds we do not care

completely

and so what we call time it

comes from the fact that all the durations that

we live for example between the moment

where we enter this room and the

moment we are going out we live

each of the different durations but

different than a fraction of a second

so everything happens as if it were the

same durations

so we’re going to say we all lived the same

duration it’s called the time and for

everyday

it works very well but we know

now we know it with physics

particles that go very quickly with

cosmic rays with

astrophysics with navigation

space with telecommunications

space with the GPS system thanks to

all that millions and millions of

every day we check that the

time does not exist and can not

to exist

so what consequences in life

everyday and I will end up there

good the first is that so as I

wanted to say you have to be wary of his

intuitions of our intuition that we

said balloting obviously that exists

beware of first impressions

and

also it means about ourselves

what are we ourselves

what is my friend cosmonauts

because I can not think of my

cosmonauts friend at the moment

because I do not know what he’s doing

at the moment and I have no

way to know it I have to think

to my friend cosmonauts as someone

who lives a story that lives a

history of his past with his present

with his future that describes a story

and myself who am I

if I want to define myself I’m not

only the one who speaks to you in this

moment I am the one who took the train

just now I’m alone incident

technical

it’s okay I’m the one who did

she travels a while ago who has

wrote a book that met so-and-so

or so- and- so I’m the one who’s going

resume the train tomorrow who will do

another trip so if I want to

to define myself I do not define myself

as I am for a moment at the moment

present

but I define what I call my

universe line ie the

continuity of all the events that

I lived from my birth to my death and

that’s me and if I want to know who

you are and well it is not enough to

you observe in this famous tenth of

second we were talking about previously

because I would have felt

biased but I have to know who

you are from the beginning it has to be that

I know your universe line

in other words you are not a

point in space at some point

but you are a line and this line

she is not in space but she

is in what is called space time

and so ultimately this message

fundamental that seems a message

relatively abstract of these theories

of relativity who tell us no

do not live in space and in the

time but by emptying something

more complicated what time space I

will not you and define today what

that it is that space time but

finally it applies also I think

to our everyday life and

maybe we need the hall and a

little against our intuition ie

than what exists to know myself

ourselves, but also

any object an object it’s not

something that is a given moment

in the

happens but it’s something that

is a story in space time and

so if we want to understand the reality

of the world

it’s better to speak in history that is

unfolding that unfolds not in the

time but in the space time because

the time if we want to be strict

there are more and so we are all

stories all the objects we

meet that we rub shoulders are

stories and so I think our

worldview as well in physics

fundamental needs to be inspired by physics

fundamental and say that we live

in a time space unlike

maybe to our intuition

thank you

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