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Uncertainty Drives Innovation in Brain Tumours | Adrienne Weeks | TEDxDalhousieU


so thanks to the TEDx value for inviting

so thanks to the TEDx value for inviting me to speak with you today about

me to speak with you today about

me to speak with you today about something I’m very passionate about so

something I’m very passionate about so

something I’m very passionate about so I’m a brain surgeon a researcher and a

I’m a brain surgeon a researcher and a

I’m a brain surgeon a researcher and a mom and the two most common statements I

mom and the two most common statements I

mom and the two most common statements I get from people when they hear this

get from people when they hear this

get from people when they hear this about me is one you don’t really look

about me is one you don’t really look

about me is one you don’t really look like a neurosurgeon I’m not really

like a neurosurgeon I’m not really

like a neurosurgeon I’m not really certain what a neurosurgeons supposed to

certain what a neurosurgeons supposed to

certain what a neurosurgeons supposed to look like but if I’m knocking down

look like but if I’m knocking down

look like but if I’m knocking down stereotypes I think that’s a good thing

stereotypes I think that’s a good thing

stereotypes I think that’s a good thing the other comment I get is how do you

the other comment I get is how do you

the other comment I get is how do you have four kids and still be a

have four kids and still be a

have four kids and still be a neurosurgeon and I think this is what

neurosurgeon and I think this is what

neurosurgeon and I think this is what I’m passionate about when I was a

I’m passionate about when I was a

I’m passionate about when I was a medical student at UBC my Dean actually

medical student at UBC my Dean actually

medical student at UBC my Dean actually told me that women did not go into

told me that women did not go into

told me that women did not go into neurosurgery that wasn’t a career for

neurosurgery that wasn’t a career for

neurosurgery that wasn’t a career for people that wanted to have families and

people that wanted to have families and

people that wanted to have families and so I stand here today for anybody who is

so I stand here today for anybody who is

so I stand here today for anybody who is interested in a career where they think

interested in a career where they think

interested in a career where they think that they cannot have a family and tell

that they cannot have a family and tell

that they cannot have a family and tell you I have four kids two of them are who

you I have four kids two of them are who

you I have four kids two of them are who are in the audience and I think they

are in the audience and I think they

are in the audience and I think they would agree they enjoy having a mother

would agree they enjoy having a mother

would agree they enjoy having a mother who’s a neurosurgeon so I’m going to

who’s a neurosurgeon so I’m going to

who’s a neurosurgeon so I’m going to talk about what I do what some how I

talk about what I do what some how I

talk about what I do what some how I deal with uncertainty and something that

deal with uncertainty and something that

deal with uncertainty and something that I’m very passionate about and I think

I’m very passionate about and I think

I’m very passionate about and I think passion is something you’ve heard a lot

passion is something you’ve heard a lot

passion is something you’ve heard a lot today

today

today uncertainty drives innovation in brain

uncertainty drives innovation in brain

uncertainty drives innovation in brain tumors so these are words that I say

tumors so these are words that I say

tumors so these are words that I say every week it doesn’t make me very

every week it doesn’t make me very

every week it doesn’t make me very popular you have a malignant brain tumor

popular you have a malignant brain tumor

popular you have a malignant brain tumor and I say this much too often and so

and I say this much too often and so

and I say this much too often and so when I’m talking about a malignant brain

when I’m talking about a malignant brain

when I’m talking about a malignant brain tumor I’m talking about this

tumor I’m talking about this

tumor I’m talking about this glioblastoma multiforme II form a

glioblastoma multiforme II form a

glioblastoma multiforme II form a unaffectionate Lee known as GBM this is

unaffectionate Lee known as GBM this is

unaffectionate Lee known as GBM this is the tumor gordoni from the tragically

the tumor gordoni from the tragically

the tumor gordoni from the tragically hip has so this is an MRI and that big

hip has so this is an MRI and that big

hip has so this is an MRI and that big white ugly thing that’s brain cancer

white ugly thing that’s brain cancer

white ugly thing that’s brain cancer unfortunately this is the most common

unfortunately this is the most common

unfortunately this is the most common type of brain cancer in adults and it is

type of brain cancer in adults and it is

type of brain cancer in adults and it is uniformly fatal the average life

uniformly fatal the average life

uniformly fatal the average life expectancy is 12 to 14 months the 5-year

expectancy is 12 to 14 months the 5-year

expectancy is 12 to 14 months the 5-year survival is less than 10% so why is that

survival is less than 10% so why is that

survival is less than 10% so why is that what is it about this disease that makes

what is it about this disease that makes

what is it about this disease that makes it so fatal you know this is a CT scan

it so fatal you know this is a CT scan

it so fatal you know this is a CT scan of a body so unlike other cancers so if

of a body so unlike other cancers so if

of a body so unlike other cancers so if you think about lung cancer breast

you think about lung cancer breast

you think about lung cancer breast cancer that metastasized are go to other

cancer that metastasized are go to other

cancer that metastasized are go to other organs in the body like the heart the

organs in the body like the heart the

organs in the body like the heart the liver the kidneys the bones brain cancer

liver the kidneys the bones brain cancer

liver the kidneys the bones brain cancer doesn’t do that it does something more

doesn’t do that it does something more

doesn’t do that it does something more insidious it takes over who you are

insidious it takes over who you are

insidious it takes over who you are it invades your brain like little

it invades your brain like little

it invades your brain like little spiderwebs weaving tentacles throughout

spiderwebs weaving tentacles throughout

spiderwebs weaving tentacles throughout your brain and I think that’s what makes

your brain and I think that’s what makes

your brain and I think that’s what makes brain cancer so terrifying to people is

brain cancer so terrifying to people is

brain cancer so terrifying to people is unlike other cancers it can take over

unlike other cancers it can take over

unlike other cancers it can take over who you are and what your soul is how

who you are and what your soul is how

who you are and what your soul is how invasive visit Walter dandy was one of

invasive visit Walter dandy was one of

invasive visit Walter dandy was one of the Great’s of neuro surgery in the

the Great’s of neuro surgery in the

the Great’s of neuro surgery in the nineteen 1900s when somebody had a brain

nineteen 1900s when somebody had a brain

nineteen 1900s when somebody had a brain cancer on the right side of their brain

cancer on the right side of their brain

cancer on the right side of their brain he took out the entire right hemisphere

he took out the entire right hemisphere

he took out the entire right hemisphere and then tumor recurred on the other

and then tumor recurred on the other

and then tumor recurred on the other side

side

side now this is a medieval picture of

now this is a medieval picture of

now this is a medieval picture of neurosurgeons I hope we’ve advanced a

neurosurgeons I hope we’ve advanced a

neurosurgeons I hope we’ve advanced a bit from these days can see the surgeon

bit from these days can see the surgeon

bit from these days can see the surgeon drilling a hole with a dunce cap on I

drilling a hole with a dunce cap on I

drilling a hole with a dunce cap on I think the enesta s– is saying prayers

think the enesta s– is saying prayers

think the enesta s– is saying prayers I’m not sure how that actually works and

I’m not sure how that actually works and

I’m not sure how that actually works and I guess that’s the nurse with the book

I guess that’s the nurse with the book

I guess that’s the nurse with the book hoping to learn something from osmosis

hoping to learn something from osmosis

hoping to learn something from osmosis I’d like to say we’ve improved from this

I’d like to say we’ve improved from this

I’d like to say we’ve improved from this so this is myself and dr. Pickett a

so this is myself and dr. Pickett a

so this is myself and dr. Pickett a colleague operating at an operating

colleague operating at an operating

colleague operating at an operating microscope that magnifies the brain we

microscope that magnifies the brain we

microscope that magnifies the brain we have neuro navigation and that allows us

have neuro navigation and that allows us

have neuro navigation and that allows us to see where we are in real time in

to see where we are in real time in

to see where we are in real time in relation to important neurological

relation to important neurological

relation to important neurological structures where the tumor is where the

structures where the tumor is where the

structures where the tumor is where the arteries are everything that we need to

arteries are everything that we need to

arteries are everything that we need to know so we can safely take out a tumor

know so we can safely take out a tumor

know so we can safely take out a tumor so I apologize if anybody has an

so I apologize if anybody has an

so I apologize if anybody has an aversion to blood don’t look at the next

aversion to blood don’t look at the next

aversion to blood don’t look at the next slide so we can see really cool things

slide so we can see really cool things

slide so we can see really cool things so this is a view under the microscope

so this is a view under the microscope

so this is a view under the microscope of the internal carotid artery that’s

of the internal carotid artery that’s

of the internal carotid artery that’s what feeds your brain the brain the

what feeds your brain the brain the

what feeds your brain the brain the optic nerve and the optic chiasm which

optic nerve and the optic chiasm which

optic nerve and the optic chiasm which help you see and the third nerve which

help you see and the third nerve which

help you see and the third nerve which actually controls your eye movements so

actually controls your eye movements so

actually controls your eye movements so these are the kind of cool pictures I

these are the kind of cool pictures I

these are the kind of cool pictures I get to see every day I think it’s pretty

get to see every day I think it’s pretty

get to see every day I think it’s pretty awesome

but GBM is more than just an MRI it is

but GBM is more than just an MRI it is more than just a tumor that I cut out

more than just a tumor that I cut out

more than just a tumor that I cut out it’s more than just a subject of a TEDx

it’s more than just a subject of a TEDx

it’s more than just a subject of a TEDx talk it’s about people so this is a

talk it’s about people so this is a

talk it’s about people so this is a picture of a woman in her 20s in the

picture of a woman in her 20s in the

picture of a woman in her 20s in the 1940s she fought in the Second World War

1940s she fought in the Second World War

1940s she fought in the Second World War in the Royal Canadian Air Force she got

in the Royal Canadian Air Force she got

in the Royal Canadian Air Force she got accepted to University in the 40s at a

accepted to University in the 40s at a

accepted to University in the 40s at a time when women didn’t go to university

time when women didn’t go to university

time when women didn’t go to university she had seven children over 20

she had seven children over 20

she had seven children over 20 grandchildren and if she looks somewhat

grandchildren and if she looks somewhat

grandchildren and if she looks somewhat similar to somebody who met on the stage

similar to somebody who met on the stage

similar to somebody who met on the stage five minutes ago that would be correct

five minutes ago that would be correct

five minutes ago that would be correct because this is my grandmother and she

because this is my grandmother and she

because this is my grandmother and she died of a GBM

died of a GBM

died of a GBM she had radiation she had surgery she

she had radiation she had surgery she

she had radiation she had surgery she had chemotherapy and eventually as

had chemotherapy and eventually as

had chemotherapy and eventually as always is the case this tumor came back

always is the case this tumor came back

always is the case this tumor came back and herein lies my uncertainty and this

and herein lies my uncertainty and this

and herein lies my uncertainty and this is what I struggle with every day

is what I struggle with every day

is what I struggle with every day because at some point there’s no more to

because at some point there’s no more to

because at some point there’s no more to say in medical school we learn how to

say in medical school we learn how to

say in medical school we learn how to fix things how do you fix blood pressure

fix things how do you fix blood pressure

fix things how do you fix blood pressure how do you fix high cholesterol how do

how do you fix high cholesterol how do

how do you fix high cholesterol how do you fix a ruptured appendix how do you

you fix a ruptured appendix how do you

you fix a ruptured appendix how do you fix a broken heart both figuratively and

fix a broken heart both figuratively and

fix a broken heart both figuratively and literally we don’t learn what to say

literally we don’t learn what to say

literally we don’t learn what to say when there’s nothing left to say what do

when there’s nothing left to say what do

when there’s nothing left to say what do you do when you can’t fix it and how do

you do when you can’t fix it and how do

you do when you can’t fix it and how do you look at somebody in the eyes and say

you look at somebody in the eyes and say

you look at somebody in the eyes and say there’s nothing more I can do and this

there’s nothing more I can do and this

there’s nothing more I can do and this is what I’m faced with on a daily basis

is what I’m faced with on a daily basis

is what I’m faced with on a daily basis and so what I choose to do as a surgeon

and so what I choose to do as a surgeon

and so what I choose to do as a surgeon is look that person straight in the face

is look that person straight in the face

is look that person straight in the face and say although I can’t help you I’m

and say although I can’t help you I’m

and say although I can’t help you I’m working on it and I might not help you

working on it and I might not help you

working on it and I might not help you directly but I’m trying to find an

directly but I’m trying to find an

directly but I’m trying to find an answer and so that’s why I work in the

answer and so that’s why I work in the

answer and so that’s why I work in the lab so this is my laboratory at

lab so this is my laboratory at

lab so this is my laboratory at Dalhousie it’s a basic science lab I

Dalhousie it’s a basic science lab I

Dalhousie it’s a basic science lab I apologise because one of my students in

apologise because one of my students in

apologise because one of my students in McQueen who’s my honor student she’s not

McQueen who’s my honor student she’s not

McQueen who’s my honor student she’s not in this picture but basically in essence

in this picture but basically in essence

in this picture but basically in essence we take brain tumors from the operating

we take brain tumors from the operating

we take brain tumors from the operating room and then we try to kill them and we

room and then we try to kill them and we

room and then we try to kill them and we try to find novel ways of making brain

try to find novel ways of making brain

try to find novel ways of making brain tumors or our treatments more effective

tumors or our treatments more effective

tumors or our treatments more effective so the first project I have is on RNA

so the first project I have is on RNA

so the first project I have is on RNA stress granules and if you’re sitting

stress granules and if you’re sitting

stress granules and if you’re sitting there looking at the slide going what’s

there looking at the slide going what’s

there looking at the slide going what’s an RNA stress granule that’s exactly the

an RNA stress granule that’s exactly the

an RNA stress granule that’s exactly the position I was in in 2011 when I was

position I was in in 2011 when I was

position I was in in 2011 when I was doing my PhD and I’m walking down the

doing my PhD and I’m walking down the

doing my PhD and I’m walking down the hallway of an unfamiliar developmental

hallway of an unfamiliar developmental

hallway of an unfamiliar developmental biology lab muttering to myself what’s

biology lab muttering to myself what’s

biology lab muttering to myself what’s an RNA stress granule because I had an

an RNA stress granule because I had an

an RNA stress granule because I had an experiment that showed that there was

experiment that showed that there was

experiment that showed that there was RNA stress granules and this is where

RNA stress granules and this is where

RNA stress granules and this is where serendipity kind of takes over in your

serendipity kind of takes over in your

serendipity kind of takes over in your life because another graduate student

life because another graduate student

life because another graduate student came up to me and said why are you

came up to me and said why are you

came up to me and said why are you talking about RNA stress granules that’s

talking about RNA stress granules that’s

talking about RNA stress granules that’s a developmental thing I’m working on and

a developmental thing I’m working on and

a developmental thing I’m working on and that started off a research

that started off a research

that started off a research collaboration that I still do today so

collaboration that I still do today so

collaboration that I still do today so what is a stress granule well tumor

what is a stress granule well tumor

what is a stress granule well tumor cells some of them live on earth so it’s

cells some of them live on earth so it’s

cells some of them live on earth so it’s a great environment there’s lots of

a great environment there’s lots of

a great environment there’s lots of oxygen it’s norm nice cozy these tumor

oxygen it’s norm nice cozy these tumor

oxygen it’s norm nice cozy these tumor cells are easy to treat and some tumor

cells are easy to treat and some tumor

cells are easy to treat and some tumor cells live on Mars they live in a very

cells live on Mars they live in a very

cells live on Mars they live in a very hostile environment there’s no oxygen

hostile environment there’s no oxygen

hostile environment there’s no oxygen there’s radiation around there’s

there’s radiation around there’s

there’s radiation around there’s chemotherapy and somehow

chemotherapy and somehow

chemotherapy and somehow these cells have adapted so they can

these cells have adapted so they can

these cells have adapted so they can survive this so they live in this

survive this so they live in this

survive this so they live in this hostile environment easily in fact these

hostile environment easily in fact these

hostile environment easily in fact these tumors are these tumor cells on Mars are

tumors are these tumor cells on Mars are

tumors are these tumor cells on Mars are the hardest to kill and so RNA stress

the hardest to kill and so RNA stress

the hardest to kill and so RNA stress granules are a way of that cell adapting

granules are a way of that cell adapting

granules are a way of that cell adapting to living to the harsh environment of

to living to the harsh environment of

to living to the harsh environment of Mars so these are what are any stress

Mars so these are what are any stress

Mars so these are what are any stress granules look like so the lid there’s

granules look like so the lid there’s

granules look like so the lid there’s for actual brain cancer cells here the

for actual brain cancer cells here the

for actual brain cancer cells here the blue stain is the nucleus and those red

blue stain is the nucleus and those red

blue stain is the nucleus and those red dots those are the RNA stress granules

dots those are the RNA stress granules

dots those are the RNA stress granules so I’ve told you what a stress granule

so I’ve told you what a stress granule

so I’ve told you what a stress granule is though it’s RNA and this is a

is though it’s RNA and this is a

is though it’s RNA and this is a metaphor I’ve taken from Steve Jobs I

metaphor I’ve taken from Steve Jobs I

metaphor I’ve taken from Steve Jobs I can’t take credit for this but if you

can’t take credit for this but if you

can’t take credit for this but if you think of DNA as the CEO so the CEO wants

think of DNA as the CEO so the CEO wants

think of DNA as the CEO so the CEO wants to direct a message to his workers the

to direct a message to his workers the

to direct a message to his workers the protein right so how is he gonna get

protein right so how is he gonna get

protein right so how is he gonna get that message as a CEO to his workers the

that message as a CEO to his workers the

that message as a CEO to his workers the protein well he makes RNA so RNA is the

protein well he makes RNA so RNA is the

protein well he makes RNA so RNA is the message that goes from the seats the

message that goes from the seats the

message that goes from the seats the middle manager it’s the message that

middle manager it’s the message that

middle manager it’s the message that goes from the DNA to the protein to tell

goes from the DNA to the protein to tell

goes from the DNA to the protein to tell them what to do and so what a stress

them what to do and so what a stress

them what to do and so what a stress granule does it it acts as kind of like

granule does it it acts as kind of like

granule does it it acts as kind of like the external audit or auditor of the

the external audit or auditor of the

the external audit or auditor of the company so if you think of these little

company so if you think of these little

company so if you think of these little dots as messages in the cell that are

dots as messages in the cell that are

dots as messages in the cell that are out to the cell to tell them what to do

out to the cell to tell them what to do

out to the cell to tell them what to do and you apply a hostile environment what

and you apply a hostile environment what

and you apply a hostile environment what the cell what this dress granule does is

the cell what this dress granule does is

the cell what this dress granule does is says ok so these blue messages they’re

says ok so these blue messages they’re

says ok so these blue messages they’re very important I want to keep them in my

very important I want to keep them in my

very important I want to keep them in my stress granule I want to save them here

stress granule I want to save them here

stress granule I want to save them here so that when I survive this stress I can

so that when I survive this stress I can

so that when I survive this stress I can make them again and I can I can

make them again and I can I can

make them again and I can I can reestablish myself these gray messages

reestablish myself these gray messages

reestablish myself these gray messages here they’re not important they’re

here they’re not important they’re

here they’re not important they’re garbage don’t want to make them gonna

garbage don’t want to make them gonna

garbage don’t want to make them gonna degrade them don’t need them and these

degrade them don’t need them and these

degrade them don’t need them and these yellow messages these messages are

yellow messages these messages are

yellow messages these messages are important now these are the message that

important now these are the message that

important now these are the message that are gonna make you survive and make you

are gonna make you survive and make you

are gonna make you survive and make you live and adapt to this a hostile

live and adapt to this a hostile

live and adapt to this a hostile environment so again the stress granules

environment so again the stress granules

environment so again the stress granules are the external audit or a deterrence

are the external audit or a deterrence

are the external audit or a deterrence company that allow the tumor cells to

company that allow the tumor cells to

company that allow the tumor cells to live in this hostile environment and so

live in this hostile environment and so

live in this hostile environment and so one of the key things my lab tries to do

one of the key things my lab tries to do

one of the key things my lab tries to do is interfere with this process so if the

is interfere with this process so if the

is interfere with this process so if the cells can’t live on Mars they can’t live

cells can’t live on Mars they can’t live

cells can’t live on Mars they can’t live and the tumor dies and so that’s a lot

and the tumor dies and so that’s a lot

and the tumor dies and so that’s a lot of the strategies that we’re trying to

of the strategies that we’re trying to

of the strategies that we’re trying to do in my laboratory

the other strategy we’ve had is in

the other strategy we’ve had is in collaboration with dr. Jeremy brown

collaboration with dr. Jeremy brown

collaboration with dr. Jeremy brown who’s an engineer at Dalhousie and dr.

who’s an engineer at Dalhousie and dr.

who’s an engineer at Dalhousie and dr. Jim Fossett he’s a developmental

Jim Fossett he’s a developmental

Jim Fossett he’s a developmental biologist and dr. Jeremy Browns invented

biologist and dr. Jeremy Browns invented

biologist and dr. Jeremy Browns invented this tiny tiny little ultrasound probe

this tiny tiny little ultrasound probe

this tiny tiny little ultrasound probe and when you applied into SMO

and when you applied into SMO

and when you applied into SMO spaces while you’re operating it uses

spaces while you’re operating it uses

spaces while you’re operating it uses ultrasonic waves to ablate a brain tumor

ultrasonic waves to ablate a brain tumor

ultrasonic waves to ablate a brain tumor deep but leave this other surrounding

deep but leave this other surrounding

deep but leave this other surrounding tissue undisturbed and so we’re testing

tissue undisturbed and so we’re testing

tissue undisturbed and so we’re testing this ultrasound probe in the awara

this ultrasound probe in the awara

this ultrasound probe in the awara and and to see whether or not we can

and and to see whether or not we can

and and to see whether or not we can ablate brain tumors with actually having

ablate brain tumors with actually having

ablate brain tumors with actually having to come without having to actually cut

to come without having to actually cut

to come without having to actually cut into the brain and so these are just two

into the brain and so these are just two

into the brain and so these are just two projects that are going on in my

projects that are going on in my

projects that are going on in my laboratory but in the research worldwide

laboratory but in the research worldwide

laboratory but in the research worldwide there’s people using vaccines using

there’s people using vaccines using

there’s people using vaccines using viruses using electromagnetic waves all

viruses using electromagnetic waves all

viruses using electromagnetic waves all an ability to try to deal with this

an ability to try to deal with this

an ability to try to deal with this devastating tumor but ultimately I’d

devastating tumor but ultimately I’d

devastating tumor but ultimately I’d like to acknowledge my patients and

like to acknowledge my patients and

like to acknowledge my patients and their families because they’re the ones

their families because they’re the ones

their families because they’re the ones that gave me the drive and the courage

that gave me the drive and the courage

that gave me the drive and the courage to do what I do to see the courage that

to do what I do to see the courage that

to do what I do to see the courage that they face and adversity gives me

they face and adversity gives me

they face and adversity gives me strength and I love this quote from

strength and I love this quote from

strength and I love this quote from Winston Churchill success is not final

Winston Churchill success is not final

Winston Churchill success is not final failure is not fatal it is the courage

failure is not fatal it is the courage

failure is not fatal it is the courage to continue that counts so thank you

to continue that counts so thank you

to continue that counts so thank you very much for listening to me today

very much for listening to me today

very much for listening to me today [Applause]

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