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What happens when you take someone at face value? | Henry Rose Lee | TEDxRoyalTunbridgeWells


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[Applause] so how did you get here today did you

so how did you get here today did you

so how did you get here today did you come on your own or did you come with

come on your own or did you come with

come on your own or did you come with someone else did you walk or did you

someone else did you walk or did you

someone else did you walk or did you drive when you think about how you got

drive when you think about how you got

drive when you think about how you got here today you might have looked at

here today you might have looked at

here today you might have looked at street signs or checked your sat-nav or

street signs or checked your sat-nav or

street signs or checked your sat-nav or you might know the area really well so

you might know the area really well so

you might know the area really well so you got here easily for most of us our

you got here easily for most of us our

you got here easily for most of us our world is largely defined by what we see

world is largely defined by what we see

world is largely defined by what we see we rely on our eyes to give us vital

we rely on our eyes to give us vital

we rely on our eyes to give us vital information street signs maps Sat Navs

information street signs maps Sat Navs

information street signs maps Sat Navs and when you go home tonight you’ll see

and when you go home tonight you’ll see

and when you go home tonight you’ll see the faces of your loved ones and all of

the faces of your loved ones and all of

the faces of your loved ones and all of those visual images will frame your

those visual images will frame your

those visual images will frame your world but for me no such luck why well I

world but for me no such luck why well I

world but for me no such luck why well I simply don’t see what you see

simply don’t see what you see

simply don’t see what you see I can’t navigate my world in pictures I

I can’t navigate my world in pictures I

I can’t navigate my world in pictures I can’t even go home tonight and see the

can’t even go home tonight and see the

can’t even go home tonight and see the faces of my loved ones well I can but

faces of my loved ones well I can but

faces of my loved ones well I can but the difference is I might not recognize

the difference is I might not recognize

the difference is I might not recognize them because I’m face blind I have a

them because I’m face blind I have a

them because I’m face blind I have a condition called prosopagnosia or face

condition called prosopagnosia or face

condition called prosopagnosia or face blindness and that means I often ignore

blindness and that means I often ignore

blindness and that means I often ignore friends and family and people I was just

friends and family and people I was just

friends and family and people I was just speaking to a few minutes ago and they

speaking to a few minutes ago and they

speaking to a few minutes ago and they all think I’m a stuck-up cow

all think I’m a stuck-up cow

all think I’m a stuck-up cow well of course I am but actually right

well of course I am but actually right

well of course I am but actually right now you could be sitting next to someone

now you could be sitting next to someone

now you could be sitting next to someone who also struggles to recognize faces

who also struggles to recognize faces

who also struggles to recognize faces even faces of people that they know

even faces of people that they know

even faces of people that they know really well and that’s because one in 50

really well and that’s because one in 50

really well and that’s because one in 50 of us has some form of prosopagnosia now

of us has some form of prosopagnosia now

of us has some form of prosopagnosia now the form that I’ve got means that I can

the form that I’ve got means that I can

the form that I’ve got means that I can recognize myself in the mirror but I

recognize myself in the mirror but I

recognize myself in the mirror but I can’t always recognize myself in a

can’t always recognize myself in a

can’t always recognize myself in a photograph because it’s the wrong way

photograph because it’s the wrong way

photograph because it’s the wrong way around I recognize my family most of

around I recognize my family most of

around I recognize my family most of them and some of my friends some of the

them and some of my friends some of the

them and some of my friends some of the time but if I’m out and about and I’m

time but if I’m out and about and I’m

time but if I’m out and about and I’m not expecting to see someone I know they

not expecting to see someone I know they

not expecting to see someone I know they can walk right past me and I don’t see

can walk right past me and I don’t see

can walk right past me and I don’t see them at all when I’m with someone I

them at all when I’m with someone I

them at all when I’m with someone I who they are when we’re together but if

who they are when we’re together but if

who they are when we’re together but if they leave the room and then come back

they leave the room and then come back

they leave the room and then come back in I may not know it’s them and if they

in I may not know it’s them and if they

in I may not know it’s them and if they change their appearance in any way like

change their appearance in any way like

change their appearance in any way like putting their hair up wearing glasses or

putting their hair up wearing glasses or

putting their hair up wearing glasses or sometimes if they even turn their face

sometimes if they even turn their face

sometimes if they even turn their face sideways onto me like this my brain

sideways onto me like this my brain

sideways onto me like this my brain screams stranger even though it’s

screams stranger even though it’s

screams stranger even though it’s obvious it must be the same person now

obvious it must be the same person now

obvious it must be the same person now face blindness or prosopagnosia is on a

face blindness or prosopagnosia is on a

face blindness or prosopagnosia is on a spectrum at one end you don’t recognize

spectrum at one end you don’t recognize

spectrum at one end you don’t recognize anyone at all and at the other end it’s

anyone at all and at the other end it’s

anyone at all and at the other end it’s tricky but you can get most people so

tricky but you can get most people so

tricky but you can get most people so this is me trying to identify you are

this is me trying to identify you are

this is me trying to identify you are you ready I have to stare at you just

you ready I have to stare at you just

you ready I have to stare at you just long enough to make you feel really

long enough to make you feel really

long enough to make you feel really uncomfortable like I’m being very rude

uncomfortable like I’m being very rude

uncomfortable like I’m being very rude or have simply gone insane so do you

or have simply gone insane so do you

or have simply gone insane so do you want to know what it might feel like to

want to know what it might feel like to

want to know what it might feel like to be face blind okay

be face blind okay

be face blind okay I’m going to show you it’s really easy

I’m going to show you it’s really easy

I’m going to show you it’s really easy all you have to do is to hang yourself

all you have to do is to hang yourself

all you have to do is to hang yourself upside down like this

let me explain the brain is processed to

let me explain the brain is processed to recognize faces the right way up so when

recognize faces the right way up so when

recognize faces the right way up so when we’re presented with a face that’s the

we’re presented with a face that’s the

we’re presented with a face that’s the wrong way round

wrong way round

wrong way round that’s upside-down we struggle to

that’s upside-down we struggle to

that’s upside-down we struggle to process it properly and in fact we may

process it properly and in fact we may

process it properly and in fact we may find it difficult to identify so here

find it difficult to identify so here

find it difficult to identify so here are some upside down faces for you now

are some upside down faces for you now

are some upside down faces for you now I’ve chosen some really famous faces so

I’ve chosen some really famous faces so

I’ve chosen some really famous faces so you should be able to work out who they

you should be able to work out who they

you should be able to work out who they are but it takes your brain a bit longer

are but it takes your brain a bit longer

are but it takes your brain a bit longer doesn’t it right let’s see them the

doesn’t it right let’s see them the

doesn’t it right let’s see them the right way up okay well I can recognize

right way up okay well I can recognize

right way up okay well I can recognize Beyonce but as for the others derp face

Beyonce but as for the others derp face

Beyonce but as for the others derp face blind so for me looking at faces every

blind so for me looking at faces every

blind so for me looking at faces every single day is a bit like you seeing a

single day is a bit like you seeing a

single day is a bit like you seeing a face upside down I know it’s a face I

face upside down I know it’s a face I

face upside down I know it’s a face I can see everything that you see but it

can see everything that you see but it

can see everything that you see but it just doesn’t mean anything to me at all

just doesn’t mean anything to me at all

just doesn’t mean anything to me at all all around me instead of me seeing faces

all around me instead of me seeing faces

all around me instead of me seeing faces that I recognise all around me are

that I recognise all around me are

that I recognise all around me are beautiful strangers now I’ve even run

beautiful strangers now I’ve even run

beautiful strangers now I’ve even run workshops where I’ve insisted that

workshops where I’ve insisted that

workshops where I’ve insisted that someone leave because I thought they

someone leave because I thought they

someone leave because I thought they were a Gatecrasher and they said to me

were a Gatecrasher and they said to me

were a Gatecrasher and they said to me Henry I’ve been here all morning but

Henry I’ve been here all morning but

Henry I’ve been here all morning but actually I’m in really good company Brad

actually I’m in really good company Brad

actually I’m in really good company Brad Pitt Duncan Bannatyne and Stevenson

Pitt Duncan Bannatyne and Stevenson

Pitt Duncan Bannatyne and Stevenson Stephen Fry they’re all face blind as

Stephen Fry they’re all face blind as

Stephen Fry they’re all face blind as well so what are the best jobs for

well so what are the best jobs for

well so what are the best jobs for somebody with prosopagnosia hermit

Shepard I’ve got it

Shepard I’ve got it celebrity because acting like a diva and

celebrity because acting like a diva and

celebrity because acting like a diva and ignoring everybody or calling everyone

ignoring everybody or calling everyone

ignoring everybody or calling everyone darling seems completely normal

darling seems completely normal

darling seems completely normal well actually my job is working very

well actually my job is working very

well actually my job is working very closely with people and it’s the best

closely with people and it’s the best

closely with people and it’s the best job in the world

job in the world

job in the world once I know who they are and why is it

once I know who they are and why is it

once I know who they are and why is it the best job in the world well in the

the best job in the world well in the

the best job in the world well in the same way that a blind person has

same way that a blind person has

same way that a blind person has developed their other senses I’ve

developed their other senses I’ve

developed their other senses I’ve developed my hearing and sensing skills

developed my hearing and sensing skills

developed my hearing and sensing skills to compensate not only do I listen very

to compensate not only do I listen very

to compensate not only do I listen very carefully to voice tones breathing and

carefully to voice tones breathing and

carefully to voice tones breathing and key words I also read the subtle changes

key words I also read the subtle changes

key words I also read the subtle changes in expression and body language when

in expression and body language when

in expression and body language when people’s emotions move from one state to

people’s emotions move from one state to

people’s emotions move from one state to the other and I can also tell when

the other and I can also tell when

the other and I can also tell when someone’s lying now a few years ago I

someone’s lying now a few years ago I

someone’s lying now a few years ago I was asked to sit in on an interview

was asked to sit in on an interview

was asked to sit in on an interview panel and we interviewed four candidates

panel and we interviewed four candidates

panel and we interviewed four candidates for a CEO role and I really preferred

for a CEO role and I really preferred

for a CEO role and I really preferred the more understated quieter individual

the more understated quieter individual

the more understated quieter individual but the rest of the panel wanted the

but the rest of the panel wanted the

but the rest of the panel wanted the more talkative sociable chap and he

more talkative sociable chap and he

more talkative sociable chap and he actually got the job much for my

actually got the job much for my

actually got the job much for my surprise I’m gonna call him Mike so then

surprise I’m gonna call him Mike so then

surprise I’m gonna call him Mike so then what happened was that I was asked to

what happened was that I was asked to

what happened was that I was asked to coach Mike as this new CEO and from the

coach Mike as this new CEO and from the

coach Mike as this new CEO and from the very first session I knew something was

very first session I knew something was

very first session I knew something was wrong my heart started racing my palms

wrong my heart started racing my palms

wrong my heart started racing my palms were sweaty and my gut felt really

were sweaty and my gut felt really

were sweaty and my gut felt really uncomfortable so I went to Mike’s boss

uncomfortable so I went to Mike’s boss

uncomfortable so I went to Mike’s boss and I said I can’t coach this man it’s

and I said I can’t coach this man it’s

and I said I can’t coach this man it’s like his body’s telling me one thing and

like his body’s telling me one thing and

like his body’s telling me one thing and his words are telling me something else

his words are telling me something else

his words are telling me something else did something dreadful happen and the

did something dreadful happen and the

did something dreadful happen and the boss said I can’t possibly tell you

boss said I can’t possibly tell you

boss said I can’t possibly tell you you’ll have to ask Mike so I went back

you’ll have to ask Mike so I went back

you’ll have to ask Mike so I went back to Mike for a second session and I said

to Mike for a second session and I said

to Mike for a second session and I said Mike did something dreadful happen

Mike did something dreadful happen

Mike did something dreadful happen recently

recently

recently and he said oh yeah and he said it in a

and he said oh yeah and he said it in a

and he said oh yeah and he said it in a really conversational way oh yeah my

really conversational way oh yeah my

really conversational way oh yeah my wife was really depressed and she was in

wife was really depressed and she was in

wife was really depressed and she was in and out of hospital and then she rang me

and out of hospital and then she rang me

and out of hospital and then she rang me one day at work and she was threatening

one day at work and she was threatening

one day at work and she was threatening to kill herself and I was so fed up with

to kill herself and I was so fed up with

to kill herself and I was so fed up with her I said go on then do it and she shot

her I said go on then do it and she shot

her I said go on then do it and she shot herself then and there on the telephone

herself then and there on the telephone

herself then and there on the telephone and he told me just like that

and he told me just like that

and he told me just like that like it was nothing so how did I know

like it was nothing so how did I know

like it was nothing so how did I know that something was wrong well in the

that something was wrong well in the

that something was wrong well in the same way that you take on board

same way that you take on board

same way that you take on board information you can respond to it in a

information you can respond to it in a

information you can respond to it in a different way for example let’s say

different way for example let’s say

different way for example let’s say somebody tells you something you just

somebody tells you something you just

somebody tells you something you just take it at face value but what you can

take it at face value but what you can

take it at face value but what you can do is notice the difference between body

do is notice the difference between body

do is notice the difference between body and words or face and body let me give

and words or face and body let me give

and words or face and body let me give you an example let’s imagine you know

you an example let’s imagine you know

you an example let’s imagine you know Johnny and johnny is a little boy and

Johnny and johnny is a little boy and

Johnny and johnny is a little boy and he’s really active and he moves around a

he’s really active and he moves around a

he’s really active and he moves around a lot when he’s very happy and he’s very

lot when he’s very happy and he’s very

lot when he’s very happy and he’s very comfortable and then you say Johnny did

comfortable and then you say Johnny did

comfortable and then you say Johnny did you tidy your room and he says yes and

you tidy your room and he says yes and

you tidy your room and he says yes and stops moving

stops moving

stops moving we know johnny is lying so what I do is

we know johnny is lying so what I do is

we know johnny is lying so what I do is I calibrate or measure the difference

I calibrate or measure the difference

I calibrate or measure the difference between what is normal and what changes

between what is normal and what changes

between what is normal and what changes so I recognise what’s normal comfortable

so I recognise what’s normal comfortable

so I recognise what’s normal comfortable and happy in a person and then I can

and happy in a person and then I can

and happy in a person and then I can notice any disconnect between body and

notice any disconnect between body and

notice any disconnect between body and words or face and body now let me tell

words or face and body now let me tell

words or face and body now let me tell you about a very different client

you about a very different client

you about a very different client charlie from the first moment I met

charlie from the first moment I met

charlie from the first moment I met charlie had a really positive vibe about

charlie had a really positive vibe about

charlie had a really positive vibe about him now I met charlie again at another

him now I met charlie again at another

him now I met charlie again at another interview panel for another CEO role and

interview panel for another CEO role and

interview panel for another CEO role and from the first interview I thought gosh

from the first interview I thought gosh

from the first interview I thought gosh he’s amazing we’ve got to have him but

he’s amazing we’ve got to have him but

he’s amazing we’ve got to have him but the rest of the panel were unconvinced

the rest of the panel were unconvinced

the rest of the panel were unconvinced they thought that he was rubbish

they thought that he was rubbish

they thought that he was rubbish because he’d left school at 14 he had no

because he’d left school at 14 he had no

because he’d left school at 14 he had no qualifications and he was a barrel boy

qualifications and he was a barrel boy

qualifications and he was a barrel boy made good and I thought he was fantastic

made good and I thought he was fantastic

made good and I thought he was fantastic and I fought for him to get a second

and I fought for him to get a second

and I fought for him to get a second interview and he did get a second

interview and he did get a second

interview and he did get a second interview and he finally got the job and

interview and he finally got the job and

interview and he finally got the job and within two years he turned that company

within two years he turned that company

within two years he turned that company around added 50 million to the turnover

around added 50 million to the turnover

around added 50 million to the turnover and doubled the profits and Charlie’s

and doubled the profits and Charlie’s

and doubled the profits and Charlie’s gone on to some really great things too

gone on to some really great things too

gone on to some really great things too often as human beings we judge a book by

often as human beings we judge a book by

often as human beings we judge a book by its cover we see someone who’s

its cover we see someone who’s

its cover we see someone who’s good-looking and we think that they must

good-looking and we think that they must

good-looking and we think that they must be clever or nice and we see someone who

be clever or nice and we see someone who

be clever or nice and we see someone who looks less than perfect as less valuable

looks less than perfect as less valuable

looks less than perfect as less valuable and less significant

and less significant

and less significant let me give you an example of why we

let me give you an example of why we

let me give you an example of why we should not judge a person on the way

should not judge a person on the way

should not judge a person on the way that they look in 2016 a media storm was

that they look in 2016 a media storm was

that they look in 2016 a media storm was unleashed when Jenny Beavan the costume

unleashed when Jenny Beavan the costume

unleashed when Jenny Beavan the costume designer for the latest Mad Max movie

designer for the latest Mad Max movie

designer for the latest Mad Max movie received her award take a look at this

received her award take a look at this

received her award take a look at this picture what most of the media picked up

picture what most of the media picked up

picture what most of the media picked up on and what most of the world saw was a

on and what most of the world saw was a

on and what most of the world saw was a bag lady on one side and a film star on

bag lady on one side and a film star on

bag lady on one side and a film star on the other what I see are two beautiful

the other what I see are two beautiful

the other what I see are two beautiful women apparently what most of the world

women apparently what most of the world

women apparently what most of the world saw was an Oscar winner who was

saw was an Oscar winner who was

saw was an Oscar winner who was completely inappropriately dressed so

completely inappropriately dressed so

completely inappropriately dressed so much of the time we’re bombarded with

much of the time we’re bombarded with

much of the time we’re bombarded with visual images and we take so much at

visual images and we take so much at

visual images and we take so much at face value but I can’t do that so I have

face value but I can’t do that so I have

face value but I can’t do that so I have to pay attention to what people say and

to pay attention to what people say and

to pay attention to what people say and how they say it how they walk how they

how they say it how they walk how they

how they say it how they walk how they move how they hold themselves so in

move how they hold themselves so in

move how they hold themselves so in future try ignoring the face and whether

future try ignoring the face and whether

future try ignoring the face and whether or not a person is perfectly turned out

or not a person is perfectly turned out

or not a person is perfectly turned out and instead focus your attention on

and instead focus your attention on

and instead focus your attention on everything else and see if that gives

everything else and see if that gives

everything else and see if that gives you a different impression of the

you a different impression of the

you a different impression of the individual take time to calibrate or

individual take time to calibrate or

individual take time to calibrate or measure what’s happy and normal and

measure what’s happy and normal and

measure what’s happy and normal and comfortable in the individual and then

comfortable in the individual and then

comfortable in the individual and then you’ll notice when things change then

you’ll notice when things change then

you’ll notice when things change then you’ll notice any disconnect between

you’ll notice any disconnect between

you’ll notice any disconnect between body and words or face and body so I’m

body and words or face and body so I’m

body and words or face and body so I’m face blind is it a positive is it a

face blind is it a positive is it a

face blind is it a positive is it a negative well we find it incredibly

negative well we find it incredibly

negative well we find it incredibly fulfilling when we’re able to help other

fulfilling when we’re able to help other

fulfilling when we’re able to help other people don’t we and actually being face

people don’t we and actually being face

people don’t we and actually being face blind has allowed me to do just that I

blind has allowed me to do just that I

blind has allowed me to do just that I get real happiness out of being able to

get real happiness out of being able to

get real happiness out of being able to raise people’s awareness of their own

raise people’s awareness of their own

raise people’s awareness of their own abilities and getting them to raise

abilities and getting them to raise

abilities and getting them to raise their awareness of how they relate to

their awareness of how they relate to

their awareness of how they relate to other people and so on balance and

other people and so on balance and

other people and so on balance and because I don’t know any different

because I don’t know any different

because I don’t know any different I’m glad I’m face blind oh and by the

I’m glad I’m face blind oh and by the

I’m glad I’m face blind oh and by the way if you’ve met me before please come

way if you’ve met me before please come

way if you’ve met me before please come up and say hello and please say your

up and say hello and please say your

up and say hello and please say your name and remember I’ll know if you’re

name and remember I’ll know if you’re

name and remember I’ll know if you’re lying

lying

lying thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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