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and professor of Finance and trust me

and professor of Finance and trust me I’ll talk about finest today maybe more

I’ll talk about finest today maybe more

I’ll talk about finest today maybe more than most of you are hoping for but when

than most of you are hoping for but when

than most of you are hoping for but when I was young professor of Finance was not

I was young professor of Finance was not

I was young professor of Finance was not a mind warp most one at least now I was

a mind warp most one at least now I was

a mind warp most one at least now I was much more fascinated by sports any sport

much more fascinated by sports any sport

much more fascinated by sports any sport really but let me show you one sport

really but let me show you one sport

really but let me show you one sport that I found really cool but I was

that I found really cool but I was

that I found really cool but I was really bad so my wrestling well for

really bad so my wrestling well for

really bad so my wrestling well for obvious reasons I was never going to be

obvious reasons I was never going to be

obvious reasons I was never going to be very successful but sumo wrestling is a

very successful but sumo wrestling is a

very successful but sumo wrestling is a fascinating sport it has a tradition of

fascinating sport it has a tradition of

fascinating sport it has a tradition of over a thousand years and there’s a lot

over a thousand years and there’s a lot

over a thousand years and there’s a lot of ritual and honor in the sport so if

of ritual and honor in the sport so if

of ritual and honor in the sport so if you would ever watch a game you would

you would ever watch a game you would

you would ever watch a game you would see that before the match sumo wrestlers

see that before the match sumo wrestlers

see that before the match sumo wrestlers throw salt to purify the ring to get rid

throw salt to purify the ring to get rid

throw salt to purify the ring to get rid of evil on the ground and the daily

of evil on the ground and the daily

of evil on the ground and the daily lives of sumo wrestlers still follow

lives of sumo wrestlers still follow

lives of sumo wrestlers still follow strict addition so this is really a

strict addition so this is really a

strict addition so this is really a sport with a lot of honor and ritual

sport with a lot of honor and ritual

sport with a lot of honor and ritual well my topic today is academic

well my topic today is academic

well my topic today is academic crime-scene investigation and even in

crime-scene investigation and even in

crime-scene investigation and even in the honorable sports such as sumo

the honorable sports such as sumo

the honorable sports such as sumo wrestling there were rumors of

wrestling there were rumors of

wrestling there were rumors of match-fixing of wrestlers purposely

match-fixing of wrestlers purposely

match-fixing of wrestlers purposely losing matches well this is not easy to

losing matches well this is not easy to

losing matches well this is not easy to prove it turned out there was academic

prove it turned out there was academic

prove it turned out there was academic professors who made the attempt Mark

professors who made the attempt Mark

professors who made the attempt Mark Duggan and Steven Levitt they looked at

Duggan and Steven Levitt they looked at

Duggan and Steven Levitt they looked at potential fraud in sumo wrestling and I

potential fraud in sumo wrestling and I

potential fraud in sumo wrestling and I did this by looking at large data sets

did this by looking at large data sets

did this by looking at large data sets so before I’ll move to my own field if

so before I’ll move to my own field if

so before I’ll move to my own field if you’re financed let me talk you through

you’re financed let me talk you through

you’re financed let me talk you through what they did in the world of sumo

what they did in the world of sumo

what they did in the world of sumo wrestling they had loot huge set of data

wrestling they had loot huge set of data

wrestling they had loot huge set of data over ten years of data over 30,000

over ten years of data over 30,000

over ten years of data over 30,000 fights and I could see the match

fights and I could see the match

fights and I could see the match outcomes and this is what they used so

outcomes and this is what they used so

outcomes and this is what they used so they didn’t question wrestlers they

they didn’t question wrestlers they

they didn’t question wrestlers they didn’t go to matches or they looked at

didn’t go to matches or they looked at

didn’t go to matches or they looked at data in sumo wrestling in a tournament

data in sumo wrestling in a tournament

data in sumo wrestling in a tournament every wrestler fights 15 times and the

every wrestler fights 15 times and the

every wrestler fights 15 times and the eighth win is the most important so sure

eighth win is the most important so sure

eighth win is the most important so sure the more you win the better but the

the more you win the better but the

the more you win the better but the eighth win is four times more important

eighth win is four times more important

eighth win is four times more important for your for their salary for their

for your for their salary for their

for your for their salary for their status so if there’s any fraud you would

status so if there’s any fraud you would

status so if there’s any fraud you would think well some new comes up for the

think well some new comes up for the

think well some new comes up for the eighth win

eighth win

eighth win maybe bribe somebody who already has

maybe bribe somebody who already has

maybe bribe somebody who already has more than eight wins to beat him yeah

more than eight wins to beat him yeah

more than eight wins to beat him yeah and that is what they found so many

and that is what they found so many

and that is what they found so many coming up for the eighth win was much

coming up for the eighth win was much

coming up for the eighth win was much more likely to win than you would

more likely to win than you would

more likely to win than you would otherwise

otherwise

otherwise and this was especially the case when

and this was especially the case when

and this was especially the case when the wrestlers knew each other well when

the wrestlers knew each other well when

the wrestlers knew each other well when they fought each other more often in the

they fought each other more often in the

they fought each other more often in the past so collusion might have been easier

past so collusion might have been easier

past so collusion might have been easier and what’s really cool is the next time

and what’s really cool is the next time

and what’s really cool is the next time these wrestlers meet it was the other

these wrestlers meet it was the other

these wrestlers meet it was the other guy who was more more likely to win some

guy who was more more likely to win some

guy who was more more likely to win some repayment some payment in kind and all

repayment some payment in kind and all

repayment some payment in kind and all these parents disappeared whenever

these parents disappeared whenever

these parents disappeared whenever rumors in the popular media so they show

rumors in the popular media so they show

rumors in the popular media so they show their estrade in sumo wrestling I can

their estrade in sumo wrestling I can

their estrade in sumo wrestling I can tell you’re not so surprised because yes

tell you’re not so surprised because yes

tell you’re not so surprised because yes we know there’s fraud in sports

we know there’s fraud in sports

we know there’s fraud in sports I notice there plenty of examples but I

I notice there plenty of examples but I

I notice there plenty of examples but I think the cool thing here is that you

think the cool thing here is that you

think the cool thing here is that you can show there is fraud just by looking

can show there is fraud just by looking

can show there is fraud just by looking at large data sets right without seeing

at large data sets right without seeing

at large data sets right without seeing potential bribes that are being paid

potential bribes that are being paid

potential bribes that are being paid authorities could then follow up so in

authorities could then follow up so in

authorities could then follow up so in the sumo wrestling example the police

the sumo wrestling example the police

the sumo wrestling example the police investigators started investigating

investigators started investigating

investigators started investigating cellphone text messages and indeed they

cellphone text messages and indeed they

cellphone text messages and indeed they found suspicious match messages

found suspicious match messages

found suspicious match messages indicating that messages were being sold

indicating that messages were being sold

indicating that messages were being sold and later several wrestlers admitted to

and later several wrestlers admitted to

and later several wrestlers admitted to to fraud so now it comes we should do

to fraud so now it comes we should do

to fraud so now it comes we should do the same in the world of finance in

the same in the world of finance in

the same in the world of finance in finance we are drowning in beta we have

finance we are drowning in beta we have

finance we are drowning in beta we have such a lot of data right

such a lot of data right

such a lot of data right we know the profits of companies we know

we know the profits of companies we know

we know the profits of companies we know how they’re financed you can track stock

how they’re financed you can track stock

how they’re financed you can track stock price at any point in time you can find

price at any point in time you can find

price at any point in time you can find press releases the information out there

press releases the information out there

press releases the information out there is huge and it’s getting better and

is huge and it’s getting better and

is huge and it’s getting better and better with increasing level of details

better with increasing level of details

better with increasing level of details so in finance we’re drowning in in data

so in finance we’re drowning in in data

so in finance we’re drowning in in data but we’re starving for wisdom the

but we’re starving for wisdom the

but we’re starving for wisdom the financial bill has a really poor

financial bill has a really poor

financial bill has a really poor reputation how do I know this well we

reputation how do I know this well we

reputation how do I know this well we asked people you can do a survey asking

asked people you can do a survey asking

asked people you can do a survey asking people how to rank all the different

people how to rank all the different

people how to rank all the different industries in an economy based from best

industries in an economy based from best

industries in an economy based from best reputation to worst reputation or

reputation to worst reputation or

reputation to worst reputation or recently finance is typically at the

recently finance is typically at the

recently finance is typically at the bottom also mr. Becker it’s a lack of

bottom also mr. Becker it’s a lack of

bottom also mr. Becker it’s a lack of industry but then finance is really

industry but then finance is really

industry but then finance is really close to being at the bottom social

close to being at the bottom social

close to being at the bottom social media tells the same story if you look

media tells the same story if you look

media tells the same story if you look at tweets it turns out that almost 90%

at tweets it turns out that almost 90%

at tweets it turns out that almost 90% of those tweets of our banks are

of those tweets of our banks are

of those tweets of our banks are negative so the financial world has a

negative so the financial world has a

negative so the financial world has a problem with trust and this is

problem with trust and this is

problem with trust and this is troublesome in a way over

troublesome in a way over

troublesome in a way over selling in finance is is trust are you

selling in finance is is trust are you

selling in finance is is trust are you invest in a stock for the promise of

invest in a stock for the promise of

invest in a stock for the promise of getting a future return so if people

getting a future return so if people

getting a future return so if people don’t trust financial markets they stop

don’t trust financial markets they stop

don’t trust financial markets they stop investing in financial markets which

investing in financial markets which

investing in financial markets which means it’s much harder for companies to

means it’s much harder for companies to

means it’s much harder for companies to get financing which means there’s less

get financing which means there’s less

get financing which means there’s less investment there’s less innovation

investment there’s less innovation

investment there’s less innovation there’s less employment lower economic

there’s less employment lower economic

there’s less employment lower economic growth so this stuff is important to us

growth so this stuff is important to us

growth so this stuff is important to us all so I’m professor of Finance I study

all so I’m professor of Finance I study

all so I’m professor of Finance I study numbers a lot of numbers big financial

numbers a lot of numbers big financial

numbers a lot of numbers big financial data and I can tell you you’re starting

data and I can tell you you’re starting

data and I can tell you you’re starting to feel sorry for me about how boring my

to feel sorry for me about how boring my

to feel sorry for me about how boring my life is but I’m here to tell you that is

life is but I’m here to tell you that is

life is but I’m here to tell you that is actually crucial it’s vital that

actually crucial it’s vital that

actually crucial it’s vital that somebody looks at these big financial

somebody looks at these big financial

somebody looks at these big financial they’re one big problem in the financial

they’re one big problem in the financial

they’re one big problem in the financial world is insider trading insider trading

world is insider trading insider trading

world is insider trading insider trading we really reduces trust in financial

we really reduces trust in financial

we really reduces trust in financial markets and this is something I’ve

markets and this is something I’ve

markets and this is something I’ve looked at so in insider trading it’s

looked at so in insider trading it’s

looked at so in insider trading it’s somebody with private information

somebody with private information

somebody with private information trading on this to make a profit right

trading on this to make a profit right

trading on this to make a profit right if the privileged few making a profit at

if the privileged few making a profit at

if the privileged few making a profit at the expense of the outsiders of ordinary

the expense of the outsiders of ordinary

the expense of the outsiders of ordinary investors I think this has sparked a

investors I think this has sparked a

investors I think this has sparked a popular outrage about the excesses of

popular outrage about the excesses of

popular outrage about the excesses of Wall Street it’s one of the most common

Wall Street it’s one of the most common

Wall Street it’s one of the most common white-collar crime these days so instead

white-collar crime these days so instead

white-collar crime these days so instead of trading problematic

of trading problematic

of trading problematic what if finance professors could reduce

what if finance professors could reduce

what if finance professors could reduce insider trading well I think we can I

insider trading well I think we can I

insider trading well I think we can I just as you can study some fraud in sumo

just as you can study some fraud in sumo

just as you can study some fraud in sumo wrestling by looking at a large set of

wrestling by looking at a large set of

wrestling by looking at a large set of data you can do the same with insider

data you can do the same with insider

data you can do the same with insider trading looking at a lot of information

trading looking at a lot of information

trading looking at a lot of information I people might lie but these beta they

I people might lie but these beta they

I people might lie but these beta they tell the truth so let me show you a

tell the truth so let me show you a

tell the truth so let me show you a graph from study that I’ve done with two

graph from study that I’ve done with two

graph from study that I’ve done with two co-authors and we we look at insider

co-authors and we we look at insider

co-authors and we we look at insider trading so I’ll show you the trading

trading so I’ll show you the trading

trading so I’ll show you the trading pattern later in a second but what the

pattern later in a second but what the

pattern later in a second but what the graph currently shows on the horizontal

graph currently shows on the horizontal

graph currently shows on the horizontal axis is the number of days compared to

axis is the number of days compared to

axis is the number of days compared to the announcement day so they 0 is an

the announcement day so they 0 is an

the announcement day so they 0 is an announcement day when news comes out 10

announcement day when news comes out 10

announcement day when news comes out 10 means 10 days after the announcement

means 10 days after the announcement

means 10 days after the announcement minus 10 means 10 days before the

minus 10 means 10 days before the

minus 10 means 10 days before the announcement so insider trading is

announcement so insider trading is

announcement so insider trading is you’re the boss of a big company and

you’re the boss of a big company and

you’re the boss of a big company and there’s been a disaster in one of your

there’s been a disaster in one of your

there’s been a disaster in one of your factories I watch it but you should do

factories I watch it but you should do

factories I watch it but you should do them it’s announced there’s been a

them it’s announced there’s been a

them it’s announced there’s been a disaster and then you can trade in your

disaster and then you can trade in your

disaster and then you can trade in your own stock that’s fine what is not

own stock that’s fine what is not

own stock that’s fine what is not allowed it’s a first sell all your stock

allowed it’s a first sell all your stock

allowed it’s a first sell all your stock and then disclose there’s been a

and then disclose there’s been a

and then disclose there’s been a disaster in one of your factories all

disaster in one of your factories all

disaster in one of your factories all right what we look at it’s short

right what we look at it’s short

right what we look at it’s short interest around the announcement for

interest around the announcement for

interest around the announcement for private placement be comfortable issues

private placement be comfortable issues

private placement be comfortable issues in the United States so it’s not about

in the United States so it’s not about

in the United States so it’s not about disasters but the idea is the same it’s

disasters but the idea is the same it’s

disasters but the idea is the same it’s allowed to trade afterwards it’s not

allowed to trade afterwards it’s not

allowed to trade afterwards it’s not allowed to trade before they zero so

allowed to trade before they zero so

allowed to trade before they zero so what do we see when the short interest

what do we see when the short interest

what do we see when the short interest go up well there’s a pretty big increase

go up well there’s a pretty big increase

go up well there’s a pretty big increase about four days before the announcement

about four days before the announcement

about four days before the announcement so clearly before it’s legal to trade we

so clearly before it’s legal to trade we

so clearly before it’s legal to trade we do see there’s a lot of trading there’s

do see there’s a lot of trading there’s

do see there’s a lot of trading there’s much more information in the study that

much more information in the study that

much more information in the study that I have time for to tell you so you sort

I have time for to tell you so you sort

I have time for to tell you so you sort of have to trust me there let me show

of have to trust me there let me show

of have to trust me there let me show you this is insider trading and for

you this is insider trading and for

you this is insider trading and for example we show that this pattern is

example we show that this pattern is

example we show that this pattern is much stronger when we know if more

much stronger when we know if more

much stronger when we know if more people have inside information and we

people have inside information and we

people have inside information and we also know that these people that trade

also know that these people that trade

also know that these people that trade before the announcement are not simply

before the announcement are not simply

before the announcement are not simply guessing no they’re making huge profits

guessing no they’re making huge profits

guessing no they’re making huge profits they know the type of information that

they know the type of information that

they know the type of information that comes out later so this is forensic

comes out later so this is forensic

comes out later so this is forensic finance and I think these studies

finance and I think these studies

finance and I think these studies matters for regulators for example

matters for regulators for example

matters for regulators for example finance academics we’re good at looking

finance academics we’re good at looking

finance academics we’re good at looking at large data sets it’s what we’re

at large data sets it’s what we’re

at large data sets it’s what we’re trained to do now this is harder for

trained to do now this is harder for

trained to do now this is harder for regulators who often claimed to be

regulators who often claimed to be

regulators who often claimed to be understaffed underfunded finance

understaffed underfunded finance

understaffed underfunded finance academics I can do a careful structured

academics I can do a careful structured

academics I can do a careful structured analysis of big financial data

analysis of big financial data

analysis of big financial data controlling for a lot of other factors

controlling for a lot of other factors

controlling for a lot of other factors and ruling out all kinds of alternative

and ruling out all kinds of alternative

and ruling out all kinds of alternative explanations right before we draw

explanations right before we draw

explanations right before we draw conclusions and here we can show

conclusions and here we can show

conclusions and here we can show regulators and prosecutors where to look

regulators and prosecutors where to look

regulators and prosecutors where to look in which markets around which

in which markets around which

in which markets around which transactions is their suspicious

transactions is their suspicious

transactions is their suspicious behavior but in our case this is when

behavior but in our case this is when

behavior but in our case this is when there’s a lot of insiders involved and

there’s a lot of insiders involved and

there’s a lot of insiders involved and really large negative announcement

really large negative announcement

really large negative announcement effects

to be clear I don’t think we should use

to be clear I don’t think we should use general data to accuse particular people

general data to accuse particular people

general data to accuse particular people of committing fraud we really have to

of committing fraud we really have to

of committing fraud we really have to work together with regulators and

work together with regulators and

work together with regulators and prosecutors that we can tell them where

prosecutors that we can tell them where

prosecutors that we can tell them where to look

to look

to look on which transactions which markets and

on which transactions which markets and

on which transactions which markets and they can follow up just as what happened

they can follow up just as what happened

they can follow up just as what happened in the sumo-wrestling example it’s about

in the sumo-wrestling example it’s about

in the sumo-wrestling example it’s about working together

sunlight is often said to be the best

sunlight is often said to be the best disinfectant and this is highly relevant

disinfectant and this is highly relevant

disinfectant and this is highly relevant here

here

here we need sunlight we need to shine some

we need sunlight we need to shine some

we need sunlight we need to shine some light on the financial world if people

light on the financial world if people

light on the financial world if people know that they’re being watched the

know that they’re being watched the

know that they’re being watched the problem might already reduce right if

problem might already reduce right if

problem might already reduce right if people know that forensic finance is a

people know that forensic finance is a

people know that forensic finance is a big thing the people who are thinking of

big thing the people who are thinking of

big thing the people who are thinking of committing financial fraud might be

committing financial fraud might be

committing financial fraud might be framed from doing so so we can make

framed from doing so so we can make

framed from doing so so we can make markets fairer just by knowing as

markets fairer just by knowing as

markets fairer just by knowing as forensic finance is a big thing for me

forensic finance is a big thing for me

forensic finance is a big thing for me forensic science really provides an

forensic science really provides an

forensic science really provides an opportunity to do research about things

opportunity to do research about things

opportunity to do research about things that people care about so let’s have

that people care about so let’s have

that people care about so let’s have finance academics help ID regulators

finance academics help ID regulators

finance academics help ID regulators let’s make markets fair and let’s

let’s make markets fair and let’s

let’s make markets fair and let’s increase the trust in the financial

increase the trust in the financial

increase the trust in the financial world thank you

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