[Music] what would you do when they rape your
what would you do when they rape your
what would you do when they rape your child assault your brother I’ll kill
child assault your brother I’ll kill
child assault your brother I’ll kill your mother would you get wild I’ll
your mother would you get wild I’ll
your mother would you get wild I’ll still be mild would you forever hate
still be mild would you forever hate
still be mild would you forever hate that man or would you ever love again
captured by people but also literally
captured by people but also literally I’ve been in 195 prisons in half of them
I’ve been in 195 prisons in half of them
I’ve been in 195 prisons in half of them I managed to stay overnight do you mind
I managed to stay overnight do you mind
I managed to stay overnight do you mind if I take you immediately to a prison in
if I take you immediately to a prison in
if I take you immediately to a prison in Brazil I want to introduce you to one of
Brazil I want to introduce you to one of
Brazil I want to introduce you to one of my fellow inmates Diego Diego was doing
my fellow inmates Diego Diego was doing
my fellow inmates Diego Diego was doing his seventh year for the murder of a
his seventh year for the murder of a
his seventh year for the murder of a taxi driver the last two years he was
taxi driver the last two years he was
taxi driver the last two years he was visited weekly by guess who the family
visited weekly by guess who the family
visited weekly by guess who the family of the taxi driver what happened
of the taxi driver what happened
of the taxi driver what happened well Diego learned that the widow was
well Diego learned that the widow was
well Diego learned that the widow was now about to die she was facing a
now about to die she was facing a
now about to die she was facing a life-threatening kidney disease and the
life-threatening kidney disease and the
life-threatening kidney disease and the only way out was a transplant but
only way out was a transplant but
only way out was a transplant but in the whole of the province of Minas
in the whole of the province of Minas
in the whole of the province of Minas Gerais they couldn’t find a proper donor
Gerais they couldn’t find a proper donor
Gerais they couldn’t find a proper donor Diego underwent some medical tests and
Diego underwent some medical tests and
Diego underwent some medical tests and he was found compatible he was a match
he was found compatible he was a match
he was found compatible he was a match he decided that they could take away one
he decided that they could take away one
he decided that they could take away one of his kidneys to give to the widow
of his kidneys to give to the widow
of his kidneys to give to the widow whose husband he had killed years before
what would we do if they kill our
what would we do if they kill our partner and can we identify with the
partner and can we identify with the
partner and can we identify with the wife of the murderer do we believe that
wife of the murderer do we believe that
wife of the murderer do we believe that human beings are makeable is it
human beings are makeable is it
human beings are makeable is it terrorists born as a terrorist or can he
terrorists born as a terrorist or can he
terrorists born as a terrorist or can he change his mind again and then is it his
change his mind again and then is it his
change his mind again and then is it his individual responsibility or is it all
individual responsibility or is it all
individual responsibility or is it all about community I have to keep telling
about community I have to keep telling
about community I have to keep telling people that it’s not because of my care
people that it’s not because of my care
people that it’s not because of my care for prisoners that I am blind for the
for prisoners that I am blind for the
for prisoners that I am blind for the Greve they’ve caused for the evil
Greve they’ve caused for the evil
Greve they’ve caused for the evil they’ve done justice is very dear to me
they’ve done justice is very dear to me
they’ve done justice is very dear to me I hope that lawyers and judges do their
I hope that lawyers and judges do their
I hope that lawyers and judges do their job but it’s not up to me to judge
job but it’s not up to me to judge
job but it’s not up to me to judge people for a second time what is my duty
people for a second time what is my duty
people for a second time what is my duty what is our duty to look for the good in
what is our duty to look for the good in
what is our duty to look for the good in every single person I can tell you I
every single person I can tell you I
every single person I can tell you I have seen thousands of prisoners I still
have seen thousands of prisoners I still
have seen thousands of prisoners I still have to come across the first one who
have to come across the first one who
have to come across the first one who isn’t but evil there is always
isn’t but evil there is always
isn’t but evil there is always something good it’s all about empathy if
something good it’s all about empathy if
something good it’s all about empathy if you are a nurse and please wake up day
you are a nurse and please wake up day
you are a nurse and please wake up day by day and imagine what it is to be a
by day and imagine what it is to be a
by day and imagine what it is to be a patient in your hands put yourself in a
patient in your hands put yourself in a
patient in your hands put yourself in a bed allow them to wash you for three
bed allow them to wash you for three
bed allow them to wash you for three weeks and ask for an endoscopy once in a
weeks and ask for an endoscopy once in a
weeks and ask for an endoscopy once in a while if you are a teacher in a
while if you are a teacher in a
while if you are a teacher in a kindergarten then get down on your knees
kindergarten then get down on your knees
kindergarten then get down on your knees and observe the world on the height of
and observe the world on the height of
and observe the world on the height of toddlers and if you are a judge ask to
toddlers and if you are a judge ask to
toddlers and if you are a judge ask to spend a while in a cell of as few square
spend a while in a cell of as few square
spend a while in a cell of as few square meters on behalf of the experience of
meters on behalf of the experience of
meters on behalf of the experience of imprisonment after having worked 15
imprisonment after having worked 15
imprisonment after having worked 15 years with prisoners I spent my first
years with prisoners I spent my first
years with prisoners I spent my first night behind bars and he changed my life
this was my first prison
this was my first prison the prison in Rwanda was built for two
the prison in Rwanda was built for two
the prison in Rwanda was built for two thousand persons yet we were nearly
thousand persons yet we were nearly
thousand persons yet we were nearly 7,000 I’ve been in prisons in Thailand
7,000 I’ve been in prisons in Thailand
7,000 I’ve been in prisons in Thailand where the prisoners got a chain of eight
where the prisoners got a chain of eight
where the prisoners got a chain of eight kilos between their ankles Japan
kilos between their ankles Japan
kilos between their ankles Japan forbidden to talk in a Japanese prison
forbidden to talk in a Japanese prison
forbidden to talk in a Japanese prison on the outskirts of Kampala there is a
on the outskirts of Kampala there is a
on the outskirts of Kampala there is a children’s prison right now as we are
children’s prison right now as we are
children’s prison right now as we are sitting here 400 children aged 3 to 17
sitting here 400 children aged 3 to 17
sitting here 400 children aged 3 to 17 and most of them only because they
and most of them only because they
and most of them only because they failed to have a birth certificate I’ve
failed to have a birth certificate I’ve
failed to have a birth certificate I’ve seen hell prisons where there’s no water
seen hell prisons where there’s no water
seen hell prisons where there’s no water no food but I’ve seen heaven as well
I’ve seen the strength the resilience of
I’ve seen the strength the resilience of human nature the prison where I stayed
human nature the prison where I stayed
human nature the prison where I stayed the longest was in the Congo one month
the longest was in the Congo one month
the longest was in the Congo one month the first news I caught when I made it
the first news I caught when I made it
the first news I caught when I made it to the prison was that they hadn’t eaten
to the prison was that they hadn’t eaten
to the prison was that they hadn’t eaten for 15 days you have to know that a
for 15 days you have to know that a
for 15 days you have to know that a family has to take the food over to
family has to take the food over to
family has to take the food over to their beloved ones but the guards hadn’t
their beloved ones but the guards hadn’t
their beloved ones but the guards hadn’t been paid for more than 12 years so they
been paid for more than 12 years so they
been paid for more than 12 years so they took portions of those meals
took portions of those meals
took portions of those meals a lot of families can’t afford to take
a lot of families can’t afford to take
a lot of families can’t afford to take and food for the guards and for their
and food for the guards and for their
and food for the guards and for their beloved ones 75% of the Congolese
beloved ones 75% of the Congolese
beloved ones 75% of the Congolese prisoners never get a visit the longer
prisoners never get a visit the longer
prisoners never get a visit the longer said I stayed without food was five days
said I stayed without food was five days
said I stayed without food was five days because then we got a visit the oldest
because then we got a visit the oldest
because then we got a visit the oldest in our dorm was kambale kita kia 87 his
in our dorm was kambale kita kia 87 his
in our dorm was kambale kita kia 87 his wife got some bananas from defenders out
wife got some bananas from defenders out
wife got some bananas from defenders out of the prison I don’t know how many she
of the prison I don’t know how many she
of the prison I don’t know how many she gave to the gods but she managed to make
gave to the gods but she managed to make
gave to the gods but she managed to make it to our cell and gave 12 bananas to
it to our cell and gave 12 bananas to
it to our cell and gave 12 bananas to her husband come bali kuta kiya shared
her husband come bali kuta kiya shared
her husband come bali kuta kiya shared his 12 bananas with a 71 other fellow
his 12 bananas with a 71 other fellow
his 12 bananas with a 71 other fellow inmates I learned that we don’t survive
inmates I learned that we don’t survive
inmates I learned that we don’t survive only on bread or bananas on solidarity
only on bread or bananas on solidarity
only on bread or bananas on solidarity and talking about fridge
and talking about fridge
and talking about fridge one night Kampala told me is that young
one night Kampala told me is that young
one night Kampala told me is that young do you know that before the Belgians
do you know that before the Belgians
do you know that before the Belgians came to colonize us that there were no
came to colonize us that there were no
came to colonize us that there were no prisons in this area I said and Assam
prisons in this area I said and Assam
prisons in this area I said and Assam and if I may suppose that before some
and if I may suppose that before some
and if I may suppose that before some Congolese could do something wrong
Congolese could do something wrong
Congolese could do something wrong how did they handle it and then he told
how did they handle it and then he told
how did they handle it and then he told me this story he said well I grew up in
me this story he said well I grew up in
me this story he said well I grew up in a little village in the middle of the
a little village in the middle of the
a little village in the middle of the jungle and I remember as a child someone
jungle and I remember as a child someone
jungle and I remember as a child someone had stolen goats and chickens did this
had stolen goats and chickens did this
had stolen goats and chickens did this is what they did with the teeth we had
is what they did with the teeth we had
is what they did with the teeth we had to stand in a big circle under the mango
to stand in a big circle under the mango
to stand in a big circle under the mango trees he said adults and children and
trees he said adults and children and
trees he said adults and children and that thief was put in the middle and
that thief was put in the middle and
that thief was put in the middle and then all of us had to say something good
then all of us had to say something good
then all of us had to say something good something positive
something positive
something positive two men it could take the whole day he
two men it could take the whole day he
two men it could take the whole day he said but at the end he made a proposal
said but at the end he made a proposal
said but at the end he made a proposal to restore the damage but we never would
to restore the damage but we never would
to restore the damage but we never would lock up someone something good came out
lock up someone something good came out
lock up someone something good came out of bad things prisoners and victims keep
of bad things prisoners and victims keep
of bad things prisoners and victims keep proving it I want to introduce you to
proving it I want to introduce you to
proving it I want to introduce you to Hilda she asked me to visit the man who
Hilda she asked me to visit the man who
Hilda she asked me to visit the man who killed her sister she said I don’t want
killed her sister she said I don’t want
killed her sister she said I don’t want to get stuck to anger and hate it and
to get stuck to anger and hate it and
to get stuck to anger and hate it and when I saw interest what I managed to
when I saw interest what I managed to
when I saw interest what I managed to look into his eyes I was overwhelmed by
look into his eyes I was overwhelmed by
look into his eyes I was overwhelmed by peace Abigail same thing she was
peace Abigail same thing she was
peace Abigail same thing she was consumed eight long years by hated her
consumed eight long years by hated her
consumed eight long years by hated her daughter was killed and then one night
daughter was killed and then one night
daughter was killed and then one night she dreamt of her daughter and in the
she dreamt of her daughter and in the
she dreamt of her daughter and in the dream Catherine asked her to forgive the
dream Catherine asked her to forgive the
dream Catherine asked her to forgive the perpetrator she woke up she said never
perpetrator she woke up she said never
perpetrator she woke up she said never never he’ll do it I can’t forgive the
never he’ll do it I can’t forgive the
never he’ll do it I can’t forgive the man who was killed the most precious one
man who was killed the most precious one
man who was killed the most precious one in my life fifty nights later she dreamt
in my life fifty nights later she dreamt
in my life fifty nights later she dreamt the same thing and again and again till
the same thing and again and again till
the same thing and again and again till she walked over to the prison and as
she walked over to the prison and as
she walked over to the prison and as permission was granted she said I was
permission was granted she said I was
permission was granted she said I was shivering I only could stare at my
shivering I only could stare at my
shivering I only could stare at my trembling feet and when they brought him
trembling feet and when they brought him
trembling feet and when they brought him in on the other side of the glass I said
in on the other side of the glass I said
in on the other side of the glass I said give me the strength to look into his
give me the strength to look into his
give me the strength to look into his eyes I was like someone pulling a string
eyes I was like someone pulling a string
eyes I was like someone pulling a string I looked into his eyes and I managed to
I looked into his eyes and I managed to
I looked into his eyes and I managed to say I forgive you
say I forgive you
say I forgive you she was overwhelmed by peace she’s one
she was overwhelmed by peace she’s one
she was overwhelmed by peace she’s one of the icons now indeed struggle
of the icons now indeed struggle
of the icons now indeed struggle to abolish the death penalty in the
to abolish the death penalty in the
to abolish the death penalty in the United States what about us
United States what about us
United States what about us what about us where are we I hope that
what about us where are we I hope that
what about us where are we I hope that this is not a collection of exotic
this is not a collection of exotic
this is not a collection of exotic stories I heard that these stories may
stories I heard that these stories may
stories I heard that these stories may inspire us for our daily conflicts as
inspire us for our daily conflicts as
inspire us for our daily conflicts as hang-hang the widow of Herod young
hang-hang the widow of Herod young
hang-hang the widow of Herod young Albert Heijn son who was kidnapped and
Albert Heijn son who was kidnapped and
Albert Heijn son who was kidnapped and murdered wrote to the perpetrator
murdered wrote to the perpetrator
murdered wrote to the perpetrator forgiveness is perhaps the greatest gift
forgiveness is perhaps the greatest gift
forgiveness is perhaps the greatest gift I gave to myself mentally I became more
I gave to myself mentally I became more
I gave to myself mentally I became more tolerant and gentle my physical
tolerant and gentle my physical
tolerant and gentle my physical complaints disappeared don’t keep me
complaints disappeared don’t keep me
complaints disappeared don’t keep me calling a victim ultimately it is not
calling a victim ultimately it is not
calling a victim ultimately it is not about what you experienced but how you
about what you experienced but how you
about what you experienced but how you handle it I have lived a miracle of
handle it I have lived a miracle of
handle it I have lived a miracle of forgiveness reason alone my life has
forgiveness reason alone my life has
forgiveness reason alone my life has been worthwhile I think
been worthwhile I think
been worthwhile I think [Applause]
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