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Moving Beyond Less Bad | Matt Stinchcomb | TEDxWashingtonSquare


so twelve years ago my roommate at the

so twelve years ago my roommate at the time was a guy named Rob Kaelin he just

time was a guy named Rob Kaelin he just

time was a guy named Rob Kaelin he just graduated actually not from this exact

graduated actually not from this exact

graduated actually not from this exact part of NYU but from NYU which was his

part of NYU but from NYU which was his

part of NYU but from NYU which was his fifth attempt at college and he was

fifth attempt at college and he was

fifth attempt at college and he was making these handmade wooden computers

making these handmade wooden computers

making these handmade wooden computers and he actually set up a little

and he actually set up a little

and he actually set up a little makeshift Factory in his bedroom he had

makeshift Factory in his bedroom he had

makeshift Factory in his bedroom he had the Saul’s all the electrical equipment

the Saul’s all the electrical equipment

the Saul’s all the electrical equipment to you know solder all the components

to you know solder all the components

to you know solder all the components together and he decided that he actually

together and he decided that he actually

together and he decided that he actually wanted to try to sell these online but

wanted to try to sell these online but

wanted to try to sell these online but when he went to ebay he didn’t really

when he went to ebay he didn’t really

when he went to ebay he didn’t really want to put his stuff on eBay because he

want to put his stuff on eBay because he

want to put his stuff on eBay because he felt that it didn’t really do justice to

felt that it didn’t really do justice to

felt that it didn’t really do justice to all the you know love and art and work

all the you know love and art and work

all the you know love and art and work that had gone into making this thing and

that had gone into making this thing and

that had gone into making this thing and so he decided he was going to build his

so he decided he was going to build his

so he decided he was going to build his own website to sell his computers um but

own website to sell his computers um but

own website to sell his computers um but as he was building it he realized that

as he was building it he realized that

as he was building it he realized that probably other people who were making

probably other people who were making

probably other people who were making things also didn’t want to sell their

things also didn’t want to sell their

things also didn’t want to sell their stuff on eBay so he said ah I’ll make a

stuff on eBay so he said ah I’ll make a

stuff on eBay so he said ah I’ll make a website for everybody who makes things

website for everybody who makes things

website for everybody who makes things and that was Etsy so Etsy started about

and that was Etsy so Etsy started about

and that was Etsy so Etsy started about 11 years ago in Brooklyn Rob and two

11 years ago in Brooklyn Rob and two

11 years ago in Brooklyn Rob and two programmers from NYU actually built the

programmers from NYU actually built the

programmers from NYU actually built the first version of Etsy and at the time I

first version of Etsy and at the time I

first version of Etsy and at the time I was living with Rob I was barely making

was living with Rob I was barely making

was living with Rob I was barely making a living as an indie rock musician had

a living as an indie rock musician had

a living as an indie rock musician had his little screen printing business on

his little screen printing business on

his little screen printing business on the side with Rob but you know never

the side with Rob but you know never

the side with Rob but you know never imagined that I would be here talking to

imagined that I would be here talking to

imagined that I would be here talking to you about business um certainly and you

you about business um certainly and you

you about business um certainly and you know I said why don’t you come and work

know I said why don’t you come and work

know I said why don’t you come and work at work at Etsy with us and I said well

at work at Etsy with us and I said well

at work at Etsy with us and I said well you know what would I do I don’t I’m not

you know what would I do I don’t I’m not

you know what would I do I don’t I’m not a web programmer he’s like you can be

a web programmer he’s like you can be

a web programmer he’s like you can be the marketing guy and I was like

the marketing guy and I was like

the marketing guy and I was like marketing like I don’t know anything

marketing like I don’t know anything

marketing like I don’t know anything about marketing and he’s like perfect

about marketing and he’s like perfect

about marketing and he’s like perfect and so I actually remember that

and so I actually remember that

and so I actually remember that conversation not because I was perfect

conversation not because I was perfect

conversation not because I was perfect at marketing but I did have a total

at marketing but I did have a total

at marketing but I did have a total beginner’s mind when it came to

beginner’s mind when it came to

beginner’s mind when it came to marketing and I had no preconceptions

marketing and I had no preconceptions

marketing and I had no preconceptions about how you’re supposed to do

about how you’re supposed to do

about how you’re supposed to do marketing or how you’re supposed to do

marketing or how you’re supposed to do

marketing or how you’re supposed to do business and so I approached it from a

business and so I approached it from a

business and so I approached it from a very open place in the end I think that

very open place in the end I think that

very open place in the end I think that you know both my inexperience and

you know both my inexperience and

you know both my inexperience and something that chucks that are

something that chucks that are

something that chucks that are today you kind of just stumble into

today you kind of just stumble into

today you kind of just stumble into social entrepreneurship but the whole

social entrepreneurship but the whole

social entrepreneurship but the whole team really be having a beginner’s mind

team really be having a beginner’s mind

team really be having a beginner’s mind ended up having Etsy unfold in really

ended up having Etsy unfold in really

ended up having Etsy unfold in really beautiful unusual ways very differently

beautiful unusual ways very differently

beautiful unusual ways very differently than it would have if it had maybe come

than it would have if it had maybe come

than it would have if it had maybe come out of business school or something like

out of business school or something like

out of business school or something like that uh so I said sure yeah okay I’ll

that uh so I said sure yeah okay I’ll

that uh so I said sure yeah okay I’ll I’ll join is the marketing person and

I’ll join is the marketing person and

I’ll join is the marketing person and you know at the time I remember we just

you know at the time I remember we just

you know at the time I remember we just gotten our first round of venture

gotten our first round of venture

gotten our first round of venture funding and I was scared out of my mind

funding and I was scared out of my mind

funding and I was scared out of my mind because I was so convinced that they

because I was so convinced that they

because I was so convinced that they were going to figure out that I had no

were going to figure out that I had no

were going to figure out that I had no idea what I was doing and so I kind of

idea what I was doing and so I kind of

idea what I was doing and so I kind of went out on this my own self-guided

went out on this my own self-guided

went out on this my own self-guided business education journey oh wait

business education journey oh wait

business education journey oh wait there’s some early marketing for Etsy

there’s some early marketing for Etsy

there’s some early marketing for Etsy right real beginners mind very very web

right real beginners mind very very web

right real beginners mind very very web savvy like I’ll screen print posters and

savvy like I’ll screen print posters and

savvy like I’ll screen print posters and stick them up around town like that’ll

stick them up around town like that’ll

stick them up around town like that’ll get people to our website but at the

get people to our website but at the

get people to our website but at the time so you know I set out to basically

time so you know I set out to basically

time so you know I set out to basically teach myself how to do business and the

teach myself how to do business and the

teach myself how to do business and the more I learned about businesses it was

more I learned about businesses it was

more I learned about businesses it was conventionally practiced the less I

conventionally practiced the less I

conventionally practiced the less I really wanted to do it that way

really wanted to do it that way

really wanted to do it that way the more you know I found that it was at

the more you know I found that it was at

the more you know I found that it was at odds in a lot of ways with a lot of my

odds in a lot of ways with a lot of my

odds in a lot of ways with a lot of my values um at the same time I got really

values um at the same time I got really

values um at the same time I got really interested in my own spiritual

interested in my own spiritual

interested in my own spiritual development and reading a lot of

development and reading a lot of

development and reading a lot of Buddhist thinkers I got into economists

Buddhist thinkers I got into economists

Buddhist thinkers I got into economists like EF Schumacher and created my own

like EF Schumacher and created my own

like EF Schumacher and created my own kind of business that I think was more

kind of business that I think was more

kind of business that I think was more inspired by those things than by how one

inspired by those things than by how one

inspired by those things than by how one might want to do business so that led me

might want to do business so that led me

might want to do business so that led me on my own 10 year journey with Etsy to

on my own 10 year journey with Etsy to

on my own 10 year journey with Etsy to figure out the ways that I could

figure out the ways that I could

figure out the ways that I could maximize the social ecological and

maximize the social ecological and

maximize the social ecological and economic impact that I have in the world

economic impact that I have in the world

economic impact that I have in the world and make that my personal mission and

and make that my personal mission and

and make that my personal mission and ultimately became the mission of

ultimately became the mission of

ultimately became the mission of etsy.com whose mission today is to

etsy.com whose mission today is to

etsy.com whose mission today is to reimagine commerce in ways that build a

reimagine commerce in ways that build a

reimagine commerce in ways that build a more fulfilling and lasting world so

more fulfilling and lasting world so

more fulfilling and lasting world so about a year and a half ago Etsy was

about a year and a half ago Etsy was

about a year and a half ago Etsy was going public and we saw it was an

going public and we saw it was an

going public and we saw it was an opportunity to create a separate entity

opportunity to create a separate entity

opportunity to create a separate entity that could further that mission and so

that could further that mission and so

that could further that mission and so Chad his the CEO of Etsy now said well

Chad his the CEO of Etsy now said well

Chad his the CEO of Etsy now said well you know why don’t you figure out what

you know why don’t you figure out what

you know why don’t you figure out what that is and so I started with that

that is and so I started with that

that is and so I started with that mission reimagine commerce in ways that

mission reimagine commerce in ways that

mission reimagine commerce in ways that build a more fulfilling and lasting

build a more fulfilling and lasting

build a more fulfilling and lasting world

world

world and I said if we’re going to reimagine

and I said if we’re going to reimagine

and I said if we’re going to reimagine business we need to reimagine business

business we need to reimagine business

business we need to reimagine business education again funny because of course

education again funny because of course

education again funny because of course what do I know about business education

what do I know about business education

what do I know about business education right I’m the perfect guy to pick to

right I’m the perfect guy to pick to

right I’m the perfect guy to pick to build a business school um but that’s

build a business school um but that’s

build a business school um but that’s exactly what we did so about a year ago

exactly what we did so about a year ago

exactly what we did so about a year ago we launched good work Institute started

we launched good work Institute started

we launched good work Institute started out as Etsy org created a lot of

out as Etsy org created a lot of

out as Etsy org created a lot of confusion because we actually aren’t

confusion because we actually aren’t

confusion because we actually aren’t entirely independent from Etsy but they

entirely independent from Etsy but they

entirely independent from Etsy but they gave us the initial the initial capital

gave us the initial the initial capital

gave us the initial the initial capital to get going and the good work Institute

to get going and the good work Institute

to get going and the good work Institute exists to help people work in ways that

exists to help people work in ways that

exists to help people work in ways that regenerate their lives their communities

regenerate their lives their communities

regenerate their lives their communities and the planet and the word regenerate

and the planet and the word regenerate

and the planet and the word regenerate is really key here one of the things

is really key here one of the things

is really key here one of the things that I found during my time at Etsy and

that I found during my time at Etsy and

that I found during my time at Etsy and as I got more involved in the B Corp

as I got more involved in the B Corp

as I got more involved in the B Corp community in the Social Venture Network

community in the Social Venture Network

community in the Social Venture Network and all of these things while there are

and all of these things while there are

and all of these things while there are a lot of really great businesses out

a lot of really great businesses out

a lot of really great businesses out there I think Eileen Fisher is a perfect

there I think Eileen Fisher is a perfect

there I think Eileen Fisher is a perfect example of a business that’s thinking in

example of a business that’s thinking in

example of a business that’s thinking in this net positive regenerative way I

this net positive regenerative way I

this net positive regenerative way I felt a lot of people were kind of

felt a lot of people were kind of

felt a lot of people were kind of stopping it less bad that you know less

stopping it less bad that you know less

stopping it less bad that you know less emissions from shipping you know which

emissions from shipping you know which

emissions from shipping you know which is less bad but it isn’t necessarily

is less bad but it isn’t necessarily

is less bad but it isn’t necessarily more good less Pat plastic in the water

more good less Pat plastic in the water

more good less Pat plastic in the water bottle right well that’s bad but you

bottle right well that’s bad but you

bottle right well that’s bad but you know are we asking ourselves the

know are we asking ourselves the

know are we asking ourselves the question like maybe we shouldn’t be

question like maybe we shouldn’t be

question like maybe we shouldn’t be having water bottles at all so I started

having water bottles at all so I started

having water bottles at all so I started thinking about what is it going to take

thinking about what is it going to take

thinking about what is it going to take to actually do business in ways that

to actually do business in ways that

to actually do business in ways that move beyond less bad and the conclusion

move beyond less bad and the conclusion

move beyond less bad and the conclusion that that we’ve come to is that it will

that that we’ve come to is that it will

that that we’ve come to is that it will require a shift in consciousness and I

require a shift in consciousness and I

require a shift in consciousness and I think a number of the other speakers

think a number of the other speakers

think a number of the other speakers have been talking about this today I

have been talking about this today I

have been talking about this today I believe that at the root of all of the

believe that at the root of all of the

believe that at the root of all of the problems that we’re facing right now in

problems that we’re facing right now in

problems that we’re facing right now in the world and in our economy is this

the world and in our economy is this

the world and in our economy is this notion that were separate from the

notion that were separate from the

notion that were separate from the natural world that were separate from

natural world that were separate from

natural world that were separate from one another and that our success isn’t

one another and that our success isn’t

one another and that our success isn’t shared somehow and if we can shift our

shared somehow and if we can shift our

shared somehow and if we can shift our view and recognize that every place and

view and recognize that every place and

view and recognize that every place and every person that’s touched by the

every person that’s touched by the

every person that’s touched by the choices that we make in business matters

choices that we make in business matters

choices that we make in business matters and if we so choose we can actually aim

and if we so choose we can actually aim

and if we so choose we can actually aim to have that net positive benefit on all

to have that net positive benefit on all

to have that net positive benefit on all those people in places

those people in places

those people in places through the choices that we make and so

through the choices that we make and so

through the choices that we make and so we call that doing good work we started

we call that doing good work we started

we call that doing good work we started out our program as the regenerative

out our program as the regenerative

out our program as the regenerative entrepreneurship program and I realize

entrepreneurship program and I realize

entrepreneurship program and I realize that was really wonky and what does that

that was really wonky and what does that

that was really wonky and what does that actually mean so if we’ve kind of come

actually mean so if we’ve kind of come

actually mean so if we’ve kind of come to this notion of good work so to help

to this notion of good work so to help

to this notion of good work so to help us understand what we what we mean by

us understand what we what we mean by

us understand what we what we mean by good work we’ve created six principles

good work we’ve created six principles

good work we’ve created six principles good work honors place it recognizes

good work honors place it recognizes

good work honors place it recognizes that the success of the natural world is

that the success of the natural world is

that the success of the natural world is not separate from the success of of our

not separate from the success of of our

not separate from the success of of our business that there is no economy

business that there is no economy

business that there is no economy without ecology good work nourishes the

without ecology good work nourishes the

without ecology good work nourishes the whole human so works not just about you

whole human so works not just about you

whole human so works not just about you know it’s not just what we do to make a

know it’s not just what we do to make a

know it’s not just what we do to make a living it is that but it’s also how we

living it is that but it’s also how we

living it is that but it’s also how we express ourselves as human and so we

express ourselves as human and so we

express ourselves as human and so we should always aim to work in ways that

should always aim to work in ways that

should always aim to work in ways that nourish the full human our mental

nourish the full human our mental

nourish the full human our mental physical spiritual faculties and that’s

physical spiritual faculties and that’s

physical spiritual faculties and that’s the same for the people we employ what’s

the same for the people we employ what’s

the same for the people we employ what’s the kind of work we’re creating good

the kind of work we’re creating good

the kind of work we’re creating good work builds community it’s really about

work builds community it’s really about

work builds community it’s really about relationship and bringing people

relationship and bringing people

relationship and bringing people together and connecting us to all the

together and connecting us to all the

together and connecting us to all the people in our places

people in our places

people in our places good work embodies integrity integrity

good work embodies integrity integrity

good work embodies integrity integrity is a great word because I think it

is a great word because I think it

is a great word because I think it speaks to both the the ethical and the

speaks to both the the ethical and the

speaks to both the the ethical and the structural soundness of the work that we

structural soundness of the work that we

structural soundness of the work that we do you know if you build a product that

do you know if you build a product that

do you know if you build a product that falls apart you know after a couple

falls apart you know after a couple

falls apart you know after a couple weeks you’re not really working with

weeks you’re not really working with

weeks you’re not really working with integrity if you’re you know creating

integrity if you’re you know creating

integrity if you’re you know creating software to hide the diesel emissions

software to hide the diesel emissions

software to hide the diesel emissions from the emissions from your car you’re

from the emissions from your car you’re

from the emissions from your car you’re not really working with integrity I say

not really working with integrity I say

not really working with integrity I say that as someone who has one of those

that as someone who has one of those

that as someone who has one of those Volkswagen is so mad about it you know

Volkswagen is so mad about it you know

Volkswagen is so mad about it you know working with integrity allows you also

working with integrity allows you also

working with integrity allows you also to be totally transparent because you’ve

to be totally transparent because you’ve

to be totally transparent because you’ve gotten their secrets good work is

gotten their secrets good work is

gotten their secrets good work is appropriately scaled I think this is a

appropriately scaled I think this is a

appropriately scaled I think this is a really important one I think so much of

really important one I think so much of

really important one I think so much of business education is saying everything

business education is saying everything

business education is saying everything has to become bigger and bigger and

has to become bigger and bigger and

has to become bigger and bigger and bigger what I would argue is that an

bigger what I would argue is that an

bigger what I would argue is that an organization shouldn’t be so big that

organization shouldn’t be so big that

organization shouldn’t be so big that they’re not aware of the impact that

they’re not aware of the impact that

they’re not aware of the impact that they’re having on people in place so how

they’re having on people in place so how

they’re having on people in place so how do you develop a business that’s of an

do you develop a business that’s of an

do you develop a business that’s of an appropriate scale and can still honor

appropriate scale and can still honor

appropriate scale and can still honor all the people in places that it touches

all the people in places that it touches

all the people in places that it touches and root itself deeply in the community

and root itself deeply in the community

and root itself deeply in the community so that your growth is supported and

so that your growth is supported and

so that your growth is supported and actually

actually

actually reading benefit for all the people there

reading benefit for all the people there

reading benefit for all the people there finally good work stays open this is

finally good work stays open this is

finally good work stays open this is kind of the you know I think what I was

kind of the you know I think what I was

kind of the you know I think what I was talking about before to the the

talking about before to the the

talking about before to the the accidental falling into social

accidental falling into social

accidental falling into social entrepreneurship there are things out

entrepreneurship there are things out

entrepreneurship there are things out there that I don’t think we really

there that I don’t think we really

there that I don’t think we really understand and that we’ll never

understand and that we’ll never

understand and that we’ll never understand and what I found in business

understand and what I found in business

understand and what I found in business is that the people who remain very

is that the people who remain very

is that the people who remain very attached to a way of being or – well on

attached to a way of being or – well on

attached to a way of being or – well on this and it needs to be done this way

this and it needs to be done this way

this and it needs to be done this way tend to miss out on some of the mystery

tend to miss out on some of the mystery

tend to miss out on some of the mystery and some of the magic so how do we work

and some of the magic so how do we work

and some of the magic so how do we work in ways it just leaves leaves us open to

in ways it just leaves leaves us open to

in ways it just leaves leaves us open to all the possibilities and recognizes

all the possibilities and recognizes

all the possibilities and recognizes that there’s more than one way to do

that there’s more than one way to do

that there’s more than one way to do things so uh how do we do good work and

things so uh how do we do good work and

things so uh how do we do good work and you know I’ve been thinking a lot about

you know I’ve been thinking a lot about

you know I’ve been thinking a lot about this and I have a kind of simple view of

this and I have a kind of simple view of

this and I have a kind of simple view of how we can do it I think a lot of us you

how we can do it I think a lot of us you

how we can do it I think a lot of us you know think that well you know I’d have

know think that well you know I’d have

know think that well you know I’d have to quit my job and I’m going to start

to quit my job and I’m going to start

to quit my job and I’m going to start this social enterprise and it’s going to

this social enterprise and it’s going to

this social enterprise and it’s going to scale to reach you know 500 million

scale to reach you know 500 million

scale to reach you know 500 million people and then I’ll finally be doing

people and then I’ll finally be doing

people and then I’ll finally be doing good work but my argument is that you

good work but my argument is that you

good work but my argument is that you can do good work right now moment to

can do good work right now moment to

can do good work right now moment to moment and that’s really what it’s about

moment and that’s really what it’s about

moment and that’s really what it’s about it’s really about what we do in the

it’s really about what we do in the

it’s really about what we do in the everyday decisions that we face so we’ve

everyday decisions that we face so we’ve

everyday decisions that we face so we’ve created a four-step process for doing

created a four-step process for doing

created a four-step process for doing good work so the first step is to pause

good work so the first step is to pause

good work so the first step is to pause so before you make a choice before you

so before you make a choice before you

so before you make a choice before you do anything just stop for a second

do anything just stop for a second

do anything just stop for a second create that little space that little

create that little space that little

create that little space that little moment to be mindful to reflect on what

moment to be mindful to reflect on what

moment to be mindful to reflect on what it is you’re about to do then look

it is you’re about to do then look

it is you’re about to do then look deeply look across you know all the

deeply look across you know all the

deeply look across you know all the people in places that are going to be

people in places that are going to be

people in places that are going to be impacted by the decision that you’re

impacted by the decision that you’re

impacted by the decision that you’re going to make and that includes yourself

going to make and that includes yourself

going to make and that includes yourself right then make the decision that

right then make the decision that

right then make the decision that ideally causes no harm but aims actually

ideally causes no harm but aims actually

ideally causes no harm but aims actually treat the most amount of benefit for all

treat the most amount of benefit for all

treat the most amount of benefit for all the people in places that will be

the people in places that will be

the people in places that will be impacted by it and then do that every

impacted by it and then do that every

impacted by it and then do that every time you make a decision and you know

time you make a decision and you know

time you make a decision and you know choice by choice

choice by choice

choice by choice I think we can actually start to build

I think we can actually start to build

I think we can actually start to build that world that we want not that one

that world that we want not that one

that world that we want not that one that we want to avoid not that one

that we want to avoid not that one

that we want to avoid not that one that’s less bad so the good work

that’s less bad so the good work

that’s less bad so the good work Institute is what we do that’s the good

Institute is what we do that’s the good

Institute is what we do that’s the good work that we’re trying to do but

work that we’re trying to do but

work that we’re trying to do but whatever it is you do um I feel you can

whatever it is you do um I feel you can

whatever it is you do um I feel you can choose to do good work as well so thank

choose to do good work as well so thank

choose to do good work as well so thank you very much

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