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Let’s make hearing visible | Philipp Skribanowitz | TEDxPoznan


hello can you hear me that’s great

hello can you hear me that’s great because I’m going to talk to you about

because I’m going to talk to you about

because I’m going to talk to you about hearing today and why we should love it

hearing today and why we should love it

hearing today and why we should love it as much as our vision I have to admit

as much as our vision I have to admit

as much as our vision I have to admit that I have no strong connection to

that I have no strong connection to

that I have no strong connection to sound I am not very very deeply rooted

sound I am not very very deeply rooted

sound I am not very very deeply rooted there when maybe my my Adele quote of

there when maybe my my Adele quote of

there when maybe my my Adele quote of hello can you hear me was the as musical

hello can you hear me was the as musical

hello can you hear me was the as musical as I get my brother and sister they were

as I get my brother and sister they were

as I get my brother and sister they were not really great at playing their

not really great at playing their

not really great at playing their instruments so my parents they spared me

instruments so my parents they spared me

instruments so my parents they spared me off of teaching an instrument instrument

off of teaching an instrument instrument

off of teaching an instrument instrument that wasn’t that bad because I had time

that wasn’t that bad because I had time

that wasn’t that bad because I had time to follow my other passions I really

to follow my other passions I really

to follow my other passions I really loved building things experimenting

loved building things experimenting

loved building things experimenting solving problems and at that I relied

solving problems and at that I relied

solving problems and at that I relied more on my sense of vision and my sense

more on my sense of vision and my sense

more on my sense of vision and my sense of touch so still today I really like it

of touch so still today I really like it

of touch so still today I really like it when things are tangible and that’s why

when things are tangible and that’s why

when things are tangible and that’s why today kind of do draw comparisons

today kind of do draw comparisons

today kind of do draw comparisons between vision and hearing to make it

between vision and hearing to make it

between vision and hearing to make it more graspable for you so yeah I wasn’t

more graspable for you so yeah I wasn’t

more graspable for you so yeah I wasn’t really that interested in hearing I I

really that interested in hearing I I

really that interested in hearing I I didn’t really care about my hearing I

didn’t really care about my hearing I

didn’t really care about my hearing I just used it as a sense so how did I get

just used it as a sense so how did I get

just used it as a sense so how did I get into this four years ago I was working

into this four years ago I was working

into this four years ago I was working in at Atlantic Labs or Berlin based

in at Atlantic Labs or Berlin based

in at Atlantic Labs or Berlin based company builder and I was with my with

company builder and I was with my with

company builder and I was with my with my engineering background and human

my engineering background and human

my engineering background and human centered design background I was looking

centered design background I was looking

centered design background I was looking for a problem to solve and the human

for a problem to solve and the human

for a problem to solve and the human need to fulfill and around the same time

need to fulfill and around the same time

need to fulfill and around the same time I was having a repeated conversation

I was having a repeated conversation

I was having a repeated conversation with my father who by the way was born

with my father who by the way was born

with my father who by the way was born in Poznan um and it went somewhat like

in Poznan um and it went somewhat like

in Poznan um and it went somewhat like this this conversation hi dad I think

this this conversation hi dad I think

this this conversation hi dad I think your hearing is not so great anymore

your hearing is not so great anymore

your hearing is not so great anymore please have a checked yeah I will do it

please have a checked yeah I will do it

please have a checked yeah I will do it next week then when I came back three

next week then when I came back three

next week then when I came back three months later asking how it was he said

months later asking how it was he said

months later asking how it was he said yeah I will do it next week three on

yeah I will do it next week three on

yeah I will do it next week three on Slater I will do it next week so I

Slater I will do it next week so I

Slater I will do it next week so I really myself felt how hard it is to get

really myself felt how hard it is to get

really myself felt how hard it is to get a loved one to take care of the hearing

a loved one to take care of the hearing

a loved one to take care of the hearing and with many startup ideas today

and with many startup ideas today

and with many startup ideas today I always think what’s the problem there

I always think what’s the problem there

I always think what’s the problem there solving and why is it important

solving and why is it important

solving and why is it important but with that with hearing one of the

but with that with hearing one of the

but with that with hearing one of the five basic senses I thought this is

five basic senses I thought this is

five basic senses I thought this is really worth pursuing there are 650

really worth pursuing there are 650

really worth pursuing there are 650 million

million

million people worldwide who suffer of hearing

people worldwide who suffer of hearing

people worldwide who suffer of hearing loss and only one out of 40 who could

loss and only one out of 40 who could

loss and only one out of 40 who could benefit from a hearing aid has one so

benefit from a hearing aid has one so

benefit from a hearing aid has one so far why is that we see kind of two main

far why is that we see kind of two main

far why is that we see kind of two main reasons on the one hand Hearing Care is

reasons on the one hand Hearing Care is

reasons on the one hand Hearing Care is not very accessible it’s expensive takes

not very accessible it’s expensive takes

not very accessible it’s expensive takes a lot of appointments so people rather

a lot of appointments so people rather

a lot of appointments so people rather procrastinate and it’s highly

procrastinate and it’s highly

procrastinate and it’s highly stigmatized

stigmatized

stigmatized we only know hearing aids from our

we only know hearing aids from our

we only know hearing aids from our grandparents and people trying to hide

grandparents and people trying to hide

grandparents and people trying to hide these flesh-colored devices and so

these flesh-colored devices and so

these flesh-colored devices and so that’s why then founded nini which by

that’s why then founded nini which by

that’s why then founded nini which by the way is also running on Ola cracy

the way is also running on Ola cracy

the way is also running on Ola cracy which ever just told you about and um we

which ever just told you about and um we

which ever just told you about and um we started attacking this problem of

started attacking this problem of

started attacking this problem of accessibility first so we built a

accessibility first so we built a

accessibility first so we built a smartphone based hearing test that

smartphone based hearing test that

smartphone based hearing test that people can download and take in the

people can download and take in the

people can download and take in the comfort of their home they don’t have to

comfort of their home they don’t have to

comfort of their home they don’t have to make appointments they don’t have to

make appointments they don’t have to

make appointments they don’t have to tell others that they might have hearing

tell others that they might have hearing

tell others that they might have hearing loss I can just secretly do it and so

loss I can just secretly do it and so

loss I can just secretly do it and so five hundred thousand people now tested

five hundred thousand people now tested

five hundred thousand people now tested their hearing with these tests amongst

their hearing with these tests amongst

their hearing with these tests amongst them my father and as it turned out his

them my father and as it turned out his

them my father and as it turned out his hearing is in an arranged where he could

hearing is in an arranged where he could

hearing is in an arranged where he could benefit from a hearing aid but he

benefit from a hearing aid but he

benefit from a hearing aid but he doesn’t need to get one yet so of course

doesn’t need to get one yet so of course

doesn’t need to get one yet so of course this showed up the stigma again so he of

this showed up the stigma again so he of

this showed up the stigma again so he of course doesn’t choose to get a hearing

course doesn’t choose to get a hearing

course doesn’t choose to get a hearing aid yet but rather waits so we were back

aid yet but rather waits so we were back

aid yet but rather waits so we were back to Ground Zero and tackling the stigma

to Ground Zero and tackling the stigma

to Ground Zero and tackling the stigma problem to understand the stigma on

problem to understand the stigma on

problem to understand the stigma on hearing loss I think we have to look at

hearing loss I think we have to look at

hearing loss I think we have to look at how hearing loss works a little bit more

as I told you I will draw another

as I told you I will draw another analogies from vision to make it more

analogies from vision to make it more

analogies from vision to make it more graspable in vision and kind of it’s

graspable in vision and kind of it’s

graspable in vision and kind of it’s like one thing that is tested like how

like one thing that is tested like how

like one thing that is tested like how small can something be that you can

small can something be that you can

small can something be that you can still read it in hearing the same thing

still read it in hearing the same thing

still read it in hearing the same thing as kind of hearing threshold how quiet

as kind of hearing threshold how quiet

as kind of hearing threshold how quiet can something be that you can still hear

can something be that you can still hear

can something be that you can still hear it so I’m going to play a sound now

it so I’m going to play a sound now

it so I’m going to play a sound now which is going from loud to quiet I’m

which is going from loud to quiet I’m

which is going from loud to quiet I’m going to ask you to raise your hand when

going to ask you to raise your hand when

going to ask you to raise your hand when you hear the sound and take it down when

you hear the sound and take it down when

you hear the sound and take it down when you don’t anymore

you don’t anymore

you don’t anymore and then look around the room and see

and then look around the room and see

and then look around the room and see kind of how the people around you here

kind of how the people around you here

kind of how the people around you here ready

the first hands going down I see okay

the first hands going down I see okay that is hearing threshold and it’s

that is hearing threshold and it’s

that is hearing threshold and it’s method measured in decibel and there are

method measured in decibel and there are

method measured in decibel and there are different levels so there is normal a

different levels so there is normal a

different levels so there is normal a normal hearing range required sounds

normal hearing range required sounds

normal hearing range required sounds that you can hear hears a sound example

that you can hear hears a sound example

that you can hear hears a sound example how somebody hears who has that hearing

how somebody hears who has that hearing

how somebody hears who has that hearing range the baby has blue eyes so then the

range the baby has blue eyes so then the

range the baby has blue eyes so then the next level is mild hearing loss the baby

next level is mild hearing loss the baby

next level is mild hearing loss the baby has blue eyes the next level so when it

has blue eyes the next level so when it

has blue eyes the next level so when it gets hard and harder to understand very

gets hard and harder to understand very

gets hard and harder to understand very hard now so if we compare the two vision

hard now so if we compare the two vision

hard now so if we compare the two vision it’s kind of losing more and more

it’s kind of losing more and more

it’s kind of losing more and more details as you see here and in the

details as you see here and in the

details as you see here and in the clouds like in the one we’re kind of the

clouds like in the one we’re kind of the

clouds like in the one we’re kind of the contrast is brought up it’s very hard to

contrast is brought up it’s very hard to

contrast is brought up it’s very hard to see the details in the clouds and this

see the details in the clouds and this

see the details in the clouds and this as stronger this gets the more you lose

as stronger this gets the more you lose

as stronger this gets the more you lose but there are other things than just a

but there are other things than just a

but there are other things than just a threshold that can be broken for example

threshold that can be broken for example

threshold that can be broken for example here another example how many colors do

here another example how many colors do

here another example how many colors do you see – yeah it’s actually the one

you see – yeah it’s actually the one

you see – yeah it’s actually the one thing is a gradient from dark cobalt

thing is a gradient from dark cobalt

thing is a gradient from dark cobalt blue to steel blue and in hearing this

blue to steel blue and in hearing this

blue to steel blue and in hearing this is called kind of frequency resolution

is called kind of frequency resolution

is called kind of frequency resolution how well can you tell two neighboring

how well can you tell two neighboring

how well can you tell two neighboring frequencies apart and when we lose when

frequencies apart and when we lose when

frequencies apart and when we lose when our three kids resolution gets impaired

our three kids resolution gets impaired

our three kids resolution gets impaired it’s harder for us to tell the

it’s harder for us to tell the

it’s harder for us to tell the difference between sounds as here shown

difference between sounds as here shown

difference between sounds as here shown with colors so back to a picture example

with colors so back to a picture example

with colors so back to a picture example oops the colors are not so clear anymore

oops the colors are not so clear anymore

oops the colors are not so clear anymore it’s getting blurry then here we see

it’s getting blurry then here we see

it’s getting blurry then here we see clearly a blue red alternating and the

clearly a blue red alternating and the

clearly a blue red alternating and the one color stops the other color starts

one color stops the other color starts

one color stops the other color starts and when our temporal resolution is

and when our temporal resolution is

and when our temporal resolution is broken kind of this is not a clear

broken kind of this is not a clear

broken kind of this is not a clear border but it’s blurry in time so when

border but it’s blurry in time so when

border but it’s blurry in time so when time it is overlapping

time it is overlapping

time it is overlapping so this is so temporal resolution is our

so this is so temporal resolution is our

so this is so temporal resolution is our ability to reconstruct the timing of

ability to reconstruct the timing of

ability to reconstruct the timing of signals

signals

signals if this broken we cannot really place it

if this broken we cannot really place it

if this broken we cannot really place it in time anymore if I move this to vision

in time anymore if I move this to vision

in time anymore if I move this to vision in series you see this pictures a little

in series you see this pictures a little

in series you see this pictures a little bit pixelated so it’s not so clear

bit pixelated so it’s not so clear

bit pixelated so it’s not so clear anymore we’re in space something is

anymore we’re in space something is

anymore we’re in space something is placed and it makes it harder to see

placed and it makes it harder to see

placed and it makes it harder to see what’s happening on the picture but what

what’s happening on the picture but what

what’s happening on the picture but what happens if we combine all of these

happens if we combine all of these

happens if we combine all of these effects you see the original then you

effects you see the original then you

effects you see the original then you see the pixelation then the blur and

see the pixelation then the blur and

see the pixelation then the blur and then they increase contrast and of all

then they increase contrast and of all

then they increase contrast and of all these things combined make it very hard

these things combined make it very hard

these things combined make it very hard to pick out that there’s actually a

to pick out that there’s actually a

to pick out that there’s actually a house standing at the side of the link

house standing at the side of the link

house standing at the side of the link so it gets tougher and tougher as these

so it gets tougher and tougher as these

so it gets tougher and tougher as these problems accumulate and hearing what

problems accumulate and hearing what

problems accumulate and hearing what kind of the most crucial part of hearing

kind of the most crucial part of hearing

kind of the most crucial part of hearing is extracting information in speech and

is extracting information in speech and

is extracting information in speech and if you’re not trying to read this um

if you’re not trying to read this um

if you’re not trying to read this um it’s probably quite exhausting and you

it’s probably quite exhausting and you

it’s probably quite exhausting and you could not read a whole book like this

could not read a whole book like this

could not read a whole book like this and this is kind of the situation that

and this is kind of the situation that

and this is kind of the situation that maybe our grandparents are going through

maybe our grandparents are going through

maybe our grandparents are going through when we’re coming for for a coffee like

when we’re coming for for a coffee like

when we’re coming for for a coffee like they can’t listen for like the first

they can’t listen for like the first

they can’t listen for like the first five minutes

five minutes

five minutes but spending a whole afternoon multiple

but spending a whole afternoon multiple

but spending a whole afternoon multiple people talking it gets very exhausting

people talking it gets very exhausting

people talking it gets very exhausting picking out the information out of this

picking out the information out of this

picking out the information out of this and so this is kind of the stage where

and so this is kind of the stage where

and so this is kind of the stage where we’re getting a hearing aid so when you

we’re getting a hearing aid so when you

we’re getting a hearing aid so when you cannot even with the miracles of your

cannot even with the miracles of your

cannot even with the miracles of your brain being able to reconstruct this

brain being able to reconstruct this

brain being able to reconstruct this information with half of the letters

information with half of the letters

information with half of the letters missing this is kind of the stage where

missing this is kind of the stage where

missing this is kind of the stage where we’re getting an hearing aid so when our

we’re getting an hearing aid so when our

we’re getting an hearing aid so when our hearing is already quite a bit gone and

hearing is already quite a bit gone and

hearing is already quite a bit gone and so if we compare the two vision it’s not

so if we compare the two vision it’s not

so if we compare the two vision it’s not like getting glasses but it’s more like

like getting glasses but it’s more like

like getting glasses but it’s more like getting a guide dog when you’re blind so

getting a guide dog when you’re blind so

getting a guide dog when you’re blind so it’s really happening very late and this

it’s really happening very late and this

it’s really happening very late and this also explains the stigma around hearing

also explains the stigma around hearing

also explains the stigma around hearing loss it’s happening very late when you

loss it’s happening very late when you

loss it’s happening very late when you are already quite impaired and a lot of

are already quite impaired and a lot of

are already quite impaired and a lot of information in the sound space is

information in the sound space is

information in the sound space is missing so what is the equivalent of

missing so what is the equivalent of

missing so what is the equivalent of glasses to a hearing aid that starts

glasses to a hearing aid that starts

glasses to a hearing aid that starts earlier hearing is of course not only

earlier hearing is of course not only

earlier hearing is of course not only extracting information out of a

extracting information out of a

extracting information out of a conversation as

reading is not only extracting text but

reading is not only extracting text but if we look at it look at a painting it’s

if we look at it look at a painting it’s

if we look at it look at a painting it’s not only about seeing maybe that there

not only about seeing maybe that there

not only about seeing maybe that there is a tree standing on a hill but it’s

is a tree standing on a hill but it’s

is a tree standing on a hill but it’s really on catching these fine subtleties

really on catching these fine subtleties

really on catching these fine subtleties the brushstroke of the artists when we

the brushstroke of the artists when we

the brushstroke of the artists when we look at a painting so what’s the

look at a painting so what’s the

look at a painting so what’s the equivalent in sound of course it’s music

equivalent in sound of course it’s music

equivalent in sound of course it’s music if we look at the music industry the

if we look at the music industry the

if we look at the music industry the music industry has put in a lot of

music industry has put in a lot of

music industry has put in a lot of effort to improve sound quality the

effort to improve sound quality the

effort to improve sound quality the artists practices has a lot has very

artists practices has a lot has very

artists practices has a lot has very expensive instruments goes to a great

expensive instruments goes to a great

expensive instruments goes to a great recording studio great mastering studio

recording studio great mastering studio

recording studio great mastering studio it’s put on on a very lossless file

it’s put on on a very lossless file

it’s put on on a very lossless file formats and the fan then is buying very

formats and the fan then is buying very

formats and the fan then is buying very expensive speakers or headphones to

expensive speakers or headphones to

expensive speakers or headphones to really get all these details that the

really get all these details that the

really get all these details that the artist puts in to really enjoy that but

artist puts in to really enjoy that but

artist puts in to really enjoy that but if the hearing ability and the last step

if the hearing ability and the last step

if the hearing ability and the last step is not considered there is something

is not considered there is something

is not considered there is something missing to understand this a little bit

missing to understand this a little bit

missing to understand this a little bit more there is besides the dimension that

more there is besides the dimension that

more there is besides the dimension that I showed you before

I showed you before

I showed you before there was the kind of the loudness of

there was the kind of the loudness of

there was the kind of the loudness of sound

sound

sound there’s also frequencies would soak the

there’s also frequencies would soak the

there’s also frequencies would soak the frequencies they go from low to high

frequencies they go from low to high

frequencies they go from low to high like the keys on a piano and I’m going

like the keys on a piano and I’m going

like the keys on a piano and I’m going to play again a sound which is going

to play again a sound which is going

to play again a sound which is going from 20 kilo Hertz to 22 kilo Hertz and

from 20 kilo Hertz to 22 kilo Hertz and

from 20 kilo Hertz to 22 kilo Hertz and I would ask you again to lift your hand

I would ask you again to lift your hand

I would ask you again to lift your hand while you hear the sound and take it

while you hear the sound and take it

while you hear the sound and take it down when you don’t anymore because yeah

down when you don’t anymore because yeah

down when you don’t anymore because yeah the higher end is what we lose first

the higher end is what we lose first

the higher end is what we lose first [Music]

so these are the frequencies and this

so these are the frequencies and this teenager can hear up to 20,000 kilohertz

teenager can hear up to 20,000 kilohertz

teenager can hear up to 20,000 kilohertz and as we age and there’s where speech

and as we age and there’s where speech

and as we age and there’s where speech is happening so speech is in a very

is happening so speech is in a very

is happening so speech is in a very lower frequent on the relatively lower

lower frequent on the relatively lower

lower frequent on the relatively lower frequencies and a teenager hears to a

frequencies and a teenager hears to a

frequencies and a teenager hears to a very high region and so as we age our

very high region and so as we age our

very high region and so as we age our hearing ability Goes Down and it’s

hearing ability Goes Down and it’s

hearing ability Goes Down and it’s slowly eating into the speech area so it

slowly eating into the speech area so it

slowly eating into the speech area so it becomes harder and harder to us to

becomes harder and harder to us to

becomes harder and harder to us to understand someone but when we look at

understand someone but when we look at

understand someone but when we look at music for example taking a violin a

music for example taking a violin a

music for example taking a violin a violin is going up to around 15,000 kilo

violin is going up to around 15,000 kilo

violin is going up to around 15,000 kilo Hertz so the hearing loss is affecting

Hertz so the hearing loss is affecting

Hertz so the hearing loss is affecting already the details in music and so if

already the details in music and so if

already the details in music and so if we are listening to an orchestra and not

we are listening to an orchestra and not

we are listening to an orchestra and not considering our hearing ability it’s

considering our hearing ability it’s

considering our hearing ability it’s like missing out on all these players

like missing out on all these players

like missing out on all these players they could just stay at home and you

they could just stay at home and you

they could just stay at home and you would have the same experience so and so

would have the same experience so and so

would have the same experience so and so kind of not taking taking care of this

kind of not taking taking care of this

kind of not taking taking care of this this last step of hearing ability is

this last step of hearing ability is

this last step of hearing ability is ifer compared again to vision it’s like

ifer compared again to vision it’s like

ifer compared again to vision it’s like spending a lot of money on an Ultra HD

spending a lot of money on an Ultra HD

spending a lot of money on an Ultra HD television and then just deciding to not

television and then just deciding to not

television and then just deciding to not put on your glasses so you really don’t

put on your glasses so you really don’t

put on your glasses so you really don’t enjoy what you’re paying for then and so

enjoy what you’re paying for then and so

enjoy what you’re paying for then and so what is the equivalent of glasses in

what is the equivalent of glasses in

what is the equivalent of glasses in hearing like glasses for the ears we had

hearing like glasses for the ears we had

hearing like glasses for the ears we had made me recall it to sound

made me recall it to sound

made me recall it to sound personalization we built an algorithm

personalization we built an algorithm

personalization we built an algorithm that models the human ear then can bring

that models the human ear then can bring

that models the human ear then can bring those details to you – you’re here above

those details to you – you’re here above

those details to you – you’re here above zone again so that you can enjoy it

zone again so that you can enjoy it

zone again so that you can enjoy it enjoy those details but we don’t believe

enjoy those details but we don’t believe

enjoy those details but we don’t believe that we all should start wearing hearing

that we all should start wearing hearing

that we all should start wearing hearing aids now to enjoy the sounds around us

aids now to enjoy the sounds around us

aids now to enjoy the sounds around us but we are already having devices that

but we are already having devices that

but we are already having devices that we consume our audio with for example

we consume our audio with for example

we consume our audio with for example the smartphone so we can put this

the smartphone so we can put this

the smartphone so we can put this algorithm on the smartphone and we can

algorithm on the smartphone and we can

algorithm on the smartphone and we can connect it to the hearing test results

connect it to the hearing test results

connect it to the hearing test results so the phone knows how your unique

so the phone knows how your unique

so the phone knows how your unique hearing profile is and can adapt to your

hearing profile is and can adapt to your

hearing profile is and can adapt to your hearing ability so we have users who are

hearing ability so we have users who are

hearing ability so we have users who are crying because they haven’t heard songs

crying because they haven’t heard songs

crying because they haven’t heard songs since their childhood like this

since their childhood like this

since their childhood like this we have people who say they’re

we have people who say they’re

we have people who say they’re rediscovering their home you

rediscovering their home you

rediscovering their home you library because they’re seeing

library because they’re seeing

library because they’re seeing subtleties they’ve never heard before

subtleties they’ve never heard before

subtleties they’ve never heard before but of course we’re not only concerned

but of course we’re not only concerned

but of course we’re not only concerned with even one guy he likes it so much

with even one guy he likes it so much

with even one guy he likes it so much he’s recording mp3s through our

he’s recording mp3s through our

he’s recording mp3s through our algorithm saves them then puts them on

algorithm saves them then puts them on

algorithm saves them then puts them on an mp3 player to go swimming with so

an mp3 player to go swimming with so

an mp3 player to go swimming with so he’s taking all this effort because he

he’s taking all this effort because he

he’s taking all this effort because he loves his music so much more with all

loves his music so much more with all

loves his music so much more with all these details in um but of course and

these details in um but of course and

these details in um but of course and this done really really lets them enjoy

this done really really lets them enjoy

this done really really lets them enjoy and really feel what the artists put in

and really feel what the artists put in

and really feel what the artists put in and really completes this whole journey

and really completes this whole journey

and really completes this whole journey of sound so but it’s not only the

of sound so but it’s not only the

of sound so but it’s not only the smartphone’s if you use to consume audio

smartphone’s if you use to consume audio

smartphone’s if you use to consume audio it’s also headphones stereo system a car

it’s also headphones stereo system a car

it’s also headphones stereo system a car and we’re building the technology that

and we’re building the technology that

and we’re building the technology that in all these places you can connect it

in all these places you can connect it

in all these places you can connect it to your hearing profile so that on all

to your hearing profile so that on all

to your hearing profile so that on all these endpoints you hear the sound as

these endpoints you hear the sound as

these endpoints you hear the sound as good as possible I would have loved to

good as possible I would have loved to

good as possible I would have loved to give you a demo right now but it would

give you a demo right now but it would

give you a demo right now but it would be similar to giving my glasses and then

be similar to giving my glasses and then

be similar to giving my glasses and then asking how you like them so I really

asking how you like them so I really

asking how you like them so I really encourage you to try for yourself since

encourage you to try for yourself since

encourage you to try for yourself since it’s personalized sound um and really

it’s personalized sound um and really

it’s personalized sound um and really appreciate it I am a self said in the

appreciate it I am a self said in the

appreciate it I am a self said in the beginning that I didn’t like sound that

beginning that I didn’t like sound that

beginning that I didn’t like sound that much but now looking back at the last 15

much but now looking back at the last 15

much but now looking back at the last 15 minutes I really got into sound and I’m

minutes I really got into sound and I’m

minutes I really got into sound and I’m I’m way more careful about noise when

I’m way more careful about noise when

I’m way more careful about noise when I’m in a bar or when we were outside in

I’m in a bar or when we were outside in

I’m in a bar or when we were outside in the lobby how loud it is and or riding

the lobby how loud it is and or riding

the lobby how loud it is and or riding on the subway in New York and seeing

on the subway in New York and seeing

on the subway in New York and seeing what it is doing to hearing so I’ve got

what it is doing to hearing so I’ve got

what it is doing to hearing so I’ve got way more conscious and appreciating to

way more conscious and appreciating to

way more conscious and appreciating to preserve my hearing but on the other

preserve my hearing but on the other

preserve my hearing but on the other hand also enjoying kind of the quiet

hand also enjoying kind of the quiet

hand also enjoying kind of the quiet details when I was preparing this talk I

details when I was preparing this talk I

details when I was preparing this talk I was sitting in sitting in our flat and

was sitting in sitting in our flat and

was sitting in sitting in our flat and was listening around so there was the

was listening around so there was the

was listening around so there was the wind in the trees birds chirping outside

wind in the trees birds chirping outside

wind in the trees birds chirping outside I hit some water running through the

I hit some water running through the

I hit some water running through the pipes I even had some neighbors having

pipes I even had some neighbors having

pipes I even had some neighbors having sex so there are a lot of interesting

sex so there are a lot of interesting

sex so there are a lot of interesting things to discover when you really when

things to discover when you really when

things to discover when you really when you really listen um so I really

you really listen um so I really

you really listen um so I really encourage you like down the next break

encourage you like down the next break

encourage you like down the next break maybe you just take a moment and fill

maybe you just take a moment and fill

maybe you just take a moment and fill the space and really listen what is all

the space and really listen what is all

the space and really listen what is all the sounds that are going on and what

the sounds that are going on and what

the sounds that are going on and what kind of richness the dimension of sound

kind of richness the dimension of sound

kind of richness the dimension of sound is bringing to your lives

is bringing to your lives

is bringing to your lives thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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