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I was in Lagos Nigeria in 2014 when I

I was in Lagos Nigeria in 2014 when I heard about five young men in the north

heard about five young men in the north

heard about five young men in the north of the country who faced the death

of the country who faced the death

of the country who faced the death penalty for committing Gay X they were

penalty for committing Gay X they were

penalty for committing Gay X they were in the Sharia law controlled private

in the Sharia law controlled private

in the Sharia law controlled private part of the country so I went up to see

part of the country so I went up to see

part of the country so I went up to see them fortunately by the time I got up

them fortunately by the time I got up

them fortunately by the time I got up there their case had been dismissed and

there their case had been dismissed and

there their case had been dismissed and they were out of prison but they were

they were out of prison but they were

they were out of prison but they were homeless and they were very afraid and

homeless and they were very afraid and

homeless and they were very afraid and meeting them was was really difficult

meeting them was was really difficult

meeting them was was really difficult eventually I convinced them that it was

eventually I convinced them that it was

eventually I convinced them that it was safe and they they came to my hotel to

safe and they they came to my hotel to

safe and they they came to my hotel to meet me and I you know heard each of

meet me and I you know heard each of

meet me and I you know heard each of their stories and that’s where I met

their stories and that’s where I met

their stories and that’s where I met young Boo Jane so I was deeply moved by

young Boo Jane so I was deeply moved by

young Boo Jane so I was deeply moved by these stories of survival and that’s

these stories of survival and that’s

these stories of survival and that’s when I started I left northern Nigeria

when I started I left northern Nigeria

when I started I left northern Nigeria and started where love is illegal so I

and started where love is illegal so I

and started where love is illegal so I documented these stories of survival you

documented these stories of survival you

documented these stories of survival you know people who’d survived persecution

know people who’d survived persecution

know people who’d survived persecution from around the world people who’ve

from around the world people who’ve

from around the world people who’ve survived in prison imprisonment and

survived in prison imprisonment and

survived in prison imprisonment and violent attack and attempted murder and

violent attack and attempted murder and

violent attack and attempted murder and rape people who’ve been ostracized by

rape people who’ve been ostracized by

rape people who’ve been ostracized by their family members who fled their

their family members who fled their

their family members who fled their countries who’ve done all they can to

countries who’ve done all they can to

countries who’ve done all they can to hide who they are because they didn’t

hide who they are because they didn’t

hide who they are because they didn’t were not considered by their community

were not considered by their community

were not considered by their community as normal I told the stories of 77

as normal I told the stories of 77

as normal I told the stories of 77 different people from 16 different

different people from 16 different

different people from 16 different nationalities many of the people I met

nationalities many of the people I met

nationalities many of the people I met were afraid to have their stories told

were afraid to have their stories told

were afraid to have their stories told this is Sally she is afraid to show your

this is Sally she is afraid to show your

this is Sally she is afraid to show your face because in Syria the so-called

face because in Syria the so-called

face because in Syria the so-called Islamic state hunting down gay and trans

Islamic state hunting down gay and trans

Islamic state hunting down gay and trans people they want her dead because she

people they want her dead because she

people they want her dead because she identifies as a woman the Islamic state

identifies as a woman the Islamic state

identifies as a woman the Islamic state don’t want you to hear her story and

don’t want you to hear her story and

don’t want you to hear her story and this is J&Q from uganda they’re hiding

this is J&Q from uganda they’re hiding

this is J&Q from uganda they’re hiding their faces because they are a lesbian

their faces because they are a lesbian

their faces because they are a lesbian couple and they fear their community

couple and they fear their community

couple and they fear their community their community doesn’t want you to hear

their community doesn’t want you to hear

their community doesn’t want you to hear their story and this is Eve from

their story and this is Eve from

their story and this is Eve from Cameroon and Eve is hiding his face

Cameroon and Eve is hiding his face

Cameroon and Eve is hiding his face because that country arrests more gay

because that country arrests more gay

because that country arrests more gay men just for being gay than any other

men just for being gay than any other

men just for being gay than any other country in the continent those arresting

country in the continent those arresting

country in the continent those arresting and torturing the gaming of Cameroon do

and torturing the gaming of Cameroon do

and torturing the gaming of Cameroon do not want you to hear his story but the

not want you to hear his story but the

not want you to hear his story but the reason that these people are here on the

reason that these people are here on the

reason that these people are here on the screen behind me is that they want this

screen behind me is that they want this

screen behind me is that they want this story hood and they shared it because

story hood and they shared it because

story hood and they shared it because they hope that by doing so that their

they hope that by doing so that their

they hope that by doing so that their situation might change for themselves

situation might change for themselves

situation might change for themselves and for people like them

and for people like them

and for people like them but for some of course a photo poses a

but for some of course a photo poses a

but for some of course a photo poses a risk for some if they are identified

risk for some if they are identified

risk for some if they are identified they could face further persecution well

they could face further persecution well

they could face further persecution well it could even be killed but many of them

it could even be killed but many of them

it could even be killed but many of them wanted to share their stories and I was

wanted to share their stories and I was

wanted to share their stories and I was really desperate to tell them but the

really desperate to tell them but the

really desperate to tell them but the only way that was going to be possible

only way that was going to be possible

only way that was going to be possible was if it was done on their terms when I

was if it was done on their terms when I

was if it was done on their terms when I met the young man in northern Nigeria at

met the young man in northern Nigeria at

met the young man in northern Nigeria at the time I was in Lagos Nigeria and I

the time I was in Lagos Nigeria and I

the time I was in Lagos Nigeria and I was shooting a story for National

was shooting a story for National

was shooting a story for National Geographic and I was using a large

Geographic and I was using a large

Geographic and I was using a large format camera and a Polaroid type film

format camera and a Polaroid type film

format camera and a Polaroid type film for those who not familiar with a large

for those who not familiar with a large

for those who not familiar with a large format camera it’s a it’s a big camera

format camera it’s a it’s a big camera

format camera it’s a it’s a big camera and it has bellows at the front and in a

and it has bellows at the front and in a

and it has bellows at the front and in a glass plate and you have to put your

glass plate and you have to put your

glass plate and you have to put your head under a hood to see everything

head under a hood to see everything

head under a hood to see everything upside down and the wrong way it’s not

upside down and the wrong way it’s not

upside down and the wrong way it’s not an easy process but you know as

an easy process but you know as

an easy process but you know as photographing these portraits with this

photographing these portraits with this

photographing these portraits with this Polaroid film and I and I wanted to

Polaroid film and I and I wanted to

Polaroid film and I and I wanted to continue it with this work initially I

continue it with this work initially I

continue it with this work initially I thought I’d continue with this work

thought I’d continue with this work

thought I’d continue with this work because I you know it was an aesthetic

because I you know it was an aesthetic

because I you know it was an aesthetic decision I like the look of it but I

decision I like the look of it but I

decision I like the look of it but I actually took on a I think an even more

actually took on a I think an even more

actually took on a I think an even more important purpose I gave each of the

important purpose I gave each of the

important purpose I gave each of the people that I photographed the option to

people that I photographed the option to

people that I photographed the option to destroy the picture if they felt that it

destroy the picture if they felt that it

destroy the picture if they felt that it somehow endangered them so and I think

somehow endangered them so and I think

somehow endangered them so and I think that they promise you know to put their

that they promise you know to put their

that they promise you know to put their hand over the picture and let them take

hand over the picture and let them take

hand over the picture and let them take it and destroy it was a real aid and

it and destroy it was a real aid and

it and destroy it was a real aid and building trust but I didn’t have to just

building trust but I didn’t have to just

building trust but I didn’t have to just destroy many and intercept because from

destroy many and intercept because from

destroy many and intercept because from the outset I adopted a new way of

the outset I adopted a new way of

the outset I adopted a new way of working these photographs were going to

working these photographs were going to

working these photographs were going to be a collaboration initially that was a

be a collaboration initially that was a

be a collaboration initially that was a you know and I had it was it was that

you know and I had it was it was that

you know and I had it was it was that the terms of the agreement was that I

the terms of the agreement was that I

the terms of the agreement was that I had to had to make it this do it this

had to had to make it this do it this

had to had to make it this do it this way but it’s a very different way of

way but it’s a very different way of

way but it’s a very different way of working because usually as photographers

working because usually as photographers

working because usually as photographers we like to control every you know we

we like to control every you know we

we like to control every you know we kind of control freaks we like to

kind of control freaks we like to

kind of control freaks we like to control every aspect of the shoot but

control every aspect of the shoot but

control every aspect of the shoot but here I was handing over control to the

here I was handing over control to the

here I was handing over control to the subjects themselves and I was allowing

subjects themselves and I was allowing

subjects themselves and I was allowing them to choose what they would wear how

them to choose what they would wear how

them to choose what they would wear how they would pose and how they would

they would pose and how they would

they would pose and how they would express themselves and of course how

express themselves and of course how

express themselves and of course how much of their face they wanted to show I

much of their face they wanted to show I

much of their face they wanted to show I also wanted them to tell their own

also wanted them to tell their own

also wanted them to tell their own stories and in their own words so ask

stories and in their own words so ask

stories and in their own words so ask each of them to

each of them to

each of them to right their own testimony which would

right their own testimony which would

right their own testimony which would accompany their photographs and when we

accompany their photographs and when we

accompany their photographs and when we share their testimonies on on the

share their testimonies on on the

share their testimonies on on the website we always you know quite the

website we always you know quite the

website we always you know quite the mess with idli directly and here for

mess with idli directly and here for

mess with idli directly and here for many of them for the first time they had

many of them for the first time they had

many of them for the first time they had control over how they were seen and how

control over how they were seen and how

control over how they were seen and how they were heard but of course handing

they were heard but of course handing

they were heard but of course handing over control meant that there were

over control meant that there were

over control meant that there were sometimes some unexpected results and

sometimes some unexpected results and

sometimes some unexpected results and tell you the story about a young

tell you the story about a young

tell you the story about a young transgender woman Jessie she lives in a

transgender woman Jessie she lives in a

transgender woman Jessie she lives in a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon and

Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon and

Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon and her young life has been this what one of

her young life has been this what one of

her young life has been this what one of extreme hardship she’s been bullied and

extreme hardship she’s been bullied and

extreme hardship she’s been bullied and thrown out of school she has been raped

thrown out of school she has been raped

thrown out of school she has been raped and most shockingly her brother and

and most shockingly her brother and

and most shockingly her brother and father in order to protect the family

father in order to protect the family

father in order to protect the family honor Heather on several occasions

honor Heather on several occasions

honor Heather on several occasions attempted to murder her her story was

attempted to murder her her story was

attempted to murder her her story was this list of horrendous abuses and

this list of horrendous abuses and

this list of horrendous abuses and instinctively I wanted to make a

instinctively I wanted to make a

instinctively I wanted to make a photograph that reflected that story but

photograph that reflected that story but

photograph that reflected that story but she didn’t so we start the session and I

she didn’t so we start the session and I

she didn’t so we start the session and I find a corner of a room of some nice

find a corner of a room of some nice

find a corner of a room of some nice light and I set up my camera on the

light and I set up my camera on the

light and I set up my camera on the tripod and you know this is big camera

tripod and you know this is big camera

tripod and you know this is big camera and I wind out the bellows and I put the

and I wind out the bellows and I put the

and I wind out the bellows and I put the lens on the front and I have my my

lens on the front and I have my my

lens on the front and I have my my cassette film i shutter my cape I asked

cassette film i shutter my cape I asked

cassette film i shutter my cape I asked her to come into the end of the frame

her to come into the end of the frame

her to come into the end of the frame and she covers her face below these

and she covers her face below these

and she covers her face below these large dark eyes with a scarf in order to

large dark eyes with a scarf in order to

large dark eyes with a scarf in order to protect her identity

protect her identity

protect her identity and she starts posing and she pushes out

and she starts posing and she pushes out

and she starts posing and she pushes out her buttock and she tilts up her head

her buttock and she tilts up her head

her buttock and she tilts up her head and starts to seduce the camera with her

and starts to seduce the camera with her

and starts to seduce the camera with her eyes and I looked through the frame and

eyes and I looked through the frame and

eyes and I looked through the frame and I think this is not the photograph I

I think this is not the photograph I

I think this is not the photograph I plan to take but but she is beautiful

plan to take but but she is beautiful

plan to take but but she is beautiful and from the camera and strong and

and from the camera and strong and

and from the camera and strong and empowered and I had to remind myself

empowered and I had to remind myself

empowered and I had to remind myself that you know I was having to give over

that you know I was having to give over

that you know I was having to give over control as I was to let her allow her to

control as I was to let her allow her to

control as I was to let her allow her to portray herself as she would like so

portray herself as she would like so

portray herself as she would like so despite this photograph not matching her

despite this photograph not matching her

despite this photograph not matching her story I decided to take the pictures

story I decided to take the pictures

story I decided to take the pictures anyway then afterwards we were talking

anyway then afterwards we were talking

anyway then afterwards we were talking about herstory some more and she’s

about herstory some more and she’s

about herstory some more and she’s continued to explain the situation with

continued to explain the situation with

continued to explain the situation with her family and you know she’s daily at

her family and you know she’s daily at

her family and you know she’s daily at grave risk of being murdered by her own

grave risk of being murdered by her own

grave risk of being murdered by her own her own flesh and blood and you know I

her own flesh and blood and you know I

her own flesh and blood and you know I listened to her and I said look I

listened to her and I said look I

listened to her and I said look I understand that you identify as a woman

understand that you identify as a woman

understand that you identify as a woman but given the threats that you face

but given the threats that you face

but given the threats that you face wouldn’t it just be better to pretend to

wouldn’t it just be better to pretend to

wouldn’t it just be better to pretend to be a boy and she looked up at me in a

be a boy and she looked up at me in a

be a boy and she looked up at me in a shock and she said I was born this way

shock and she said I was born this way

shock and she said I was born this way and I will die this way and in that

and I will die this way and in that

and I will die this way and in that moment I understood her gender identity

moment I understood her gender identity

moment I understood her gender identity is fundamental to who she is I’ve never

is fundamental to who she is I’ve never

is fundamental to who she is I’ve never had my identity challenged she’s

had my identity challenged she’s

had my identity challenged she’s threatened every day because of how she

threatened every day because of how she

threatened every day because of how she presents herself with that statement

presents herself with that statement

presents herself with that statement I understood just his courage and her

I understood just his courage and her

I understood just his courage and her strength and her photograph was perfect

strength and her photograph was perfect

strength and her photograph was perfect this is her story she sees herself as a

this is her story she sees herself as a

this is her story she sees herself as a beautiful young woman a sexy young woman

beautiful young woman a sexy young woman

beautiful young woman a sexy young woman and that is who she wants you to see

and that is who she wants you to see

and that is who she wants you to see what happened to her is not who she is

what happened to her is not who she is

what happened to her is not who she is so I have this belief and that is that

so I have this belief and that is that

so I have this belief and that is that storytelling is fundamental to the human

storytelling is fundamental to the human

storytelling is fundamental to the human experience is how we communicate with

experience is how we communicate with

experience is how we communicate with each other and it’s even how we

each other and it’s even how we

each other and it’s even how we communicate with ourselves but of course

communicate with ourselves but of course

communicate with ourselves but of course the types of stories that we tell are

the types of stories that we tell are

the types of stories that we tell are really important and there are stories

really important and there are stories

really important and there are stories that connect and there are stories that

that connect and there are stories that

that connect and there are stories that divide and I think you know I this also

divide and I think you know I this also

divide and I think you know I this also this belief that you know to look for

this belief that you know to look for

this belief that you know to look for difference in each other is a is a

difference in each other is a is a

difference in each other is a is a natural human instinct and that

natural human instinct and that

natural human instinct and that sometimes and for some of us in order to

sometimes and for some of us in order to

sometimes and for some of us in order to feel like we belong we sometimes also

feel like we belong we sometimes also

feel like we belong we sometimes also feel this need to exclude so I’ve been

feel this need to exclude so I’ve been

feel this need to exclude so I’ve been trying to tell what I’m calling

trying to tell what I’m calling

trying to tell what I’m calling authentic personal stories which stories

authentic personal stories which stories

authentic personal stories which stories that come just as much from the people

that come just as much from the people

that come just as much from the people on photographing as they do for myself

on photographing as they do for myself

on photographing as they do for myself where their point of view their voice

where their point of view their voice

where their point of view their voice and their vision is included in the

and their vision is included in the

and their vision is included in the construction of the picture so I have

construction of the picture so I have

construction of the picture so I have this belief also that these these

this belief also that these these

this belief also that these these authentic personal stories have great

authentic personal stories have great

authentic personal stories have great power to break down these barriers that

power to break down these barriers that

power to break down these barriers that divide us barriers of race and religion

divide us barriers of race and religion

divide us barriers of race and religion and nationality and gender and sexuality

and nationality and gender and sexuality

and nationality and gender and sexuality and I really hope that they help us to

and I really hope that they help us to

and I really hope that they help us to see

see

see the person are not just a label and it’s

the person are not just a label and it’s

the person are not just a label and it’s my hope that in seeing the person we can

my hope that in seeing the person we can

my hope that in seeing the person we can see you know what connects us so I

see you know what connects us so I

see you know what connects us so I believe that we need more stories that

believe that we need more stories that

believe that we need more stories that connect but this work actually is a

connect but this work actually is a

connect but this work actually is a testament to the destructive power of

testament to the destructive power of

testament to the destructive power of the other kind of stories divisive

the other kind of stories divisive

the other kind of stories divisive stories allow the casual discrimination

stories allow the casual discrimination

stories allow the casual discrimination of LGBT people and divisive stories also

of LGBT people and divisive stories also

of LGBT people and divisive stories also allow for their rape and their torture

allow for their rape and their torture

allow for their rape and their torture and their murder so what happens when

and their murder so what happens when

and their murder so what happens when all there is is the voice of hate

all there is is the voice of hate

all there is is the voice of hate bigotry thrives with those discriminated

bigotry thrives with those discriminated

bigotry thrives with those discriminated against a silenced where they are

against a silenced where they are

against a silenced where they are disallowed the right to tell their own

disallowed the right to tell their own

disallowed the right to tell their own stories and this is repeated time and

stories and this is repeated time and

stories and this is repeated time and time again throughout history with every

time again throughout history with every

time again throughout history with every human rights issue where loves illegal

human rights issue where loves illegal

human rights issue where loves illegal is made to interrupt the narrative that

is made to interrupt the narrative that

is made to interrupt the narrative that to be LGBT is an attack on society

to be LGBT is an attack on society

to be LGBT is an attack on society against nature or an insult to God it is

against nature or an insult to God it is

against nature or an insult to God it is made to amplify the voices of survivors

made to amplify the voices of survivors

made to amplify the voices of survivors of discrimination and allow them to have

of discrimination and allow them to have

of discrimination and allow them to have their stories heard stories that I

their stories heard stories that I

their stories heard stories that I believe can connect and stories that I

believe can connect and stories that I

believe can connect and stories that I believe can help us to empathize so I

believe can help us to empathize so I

believe can help us to empathize so I spent a year documenting these stories

spent a year documenting these stories

spent a year documenting these stories of survival and the next important step

of survival and the next important step

of survival and the next important step was to make sure that they were heard I

was to make sure that they were heard I

was to make sure that they were heard I wanted to reach the widest audience

wanted to reach the widest audience

wanted to reach the widest audience possible and I want that audience to

possible and I want that audience to

possible and I want that audience to feel like they could do more than just

feel like they could do more than just

feel like they could do more than just read the story but they could be in some

read the story but they could be in some

read the story but they could be in some way involved so I created some social

way involved so I created some social

way involved so I created some social media accounts and I created a website

media accounts and I created a website

media accounts and I created a website and I started sharing these stories

and I started sharing these stories

and I started sharing these stories online but then I also invited other

online but then I also invited other

online but then I also invited other people from the LGBT community to share

people from the LGBT community to share

people from the LGBT community to share their own story so it wasn’t just about

their own story so it wasn’t just about

their own story so it wasn’t just about my photographs all those stories that I

my photographs all those stories that I

my photographs all those stories that I recorded

recorded

recorded but people from around the world were

but people from around the world were

but people from around the world were able to use new this platform that that

able to use new this platform that that

able to use new this platform that that I’ve created and we started getting

I’ve created and we started getting

I’ve created and we started getting stories from coming in from all over the

stories from coming in from all over the

stories from coming in from all over the place from Italy from Israel from Iran

place from Italy from Israel from Iran

place from Italy from Israel from Iran Venezuela Australia United States Jordan

Venezuela Australia United States Jordan

Venezuela Australia United States Jordan South Africa Kuwait South Korea and many

South Africa Kuwait South Korea and many

South Africa Kuwait South Korea and many many other places and the goal was to

many other places and the goal was to

many other places and the goal was to create this global voice of people who

create this global voice of people who

create this global voice of people who refuse to be silenced by bigotry now

refuse to be silenced by bigotry now

refuse to be silenced by bigotry now these voices I’m proud to say you know

these voices I’m proud to say you know

these voices I’m proud to say you know have now reached millions around the

have now reached millions around the

have now reached millions around the world so many of the people that I met

world so many of the people that I met

world so many of the people that I met while doing this work spoke of how alone

while doing this work spoke of how alone

while doing this work spoke of how alone they felt how they grew up in societies

they felt how they grew up in societies

they felt how they grew up in societies that told them that who they are is

that told them that who they are is

that told them that who they are is wrong and in these environments when all

wrong and in these environments when all

wrong and in these environments when all one hears is the voice of intolerance

one hears is the voice of intolerance

one hears is the voice of intolerance many sadly believed it but as bandwidths

many sadly believed it but as bandwidths

many sadly believed it but as bandwidths continue to grow in technology spreads

continue to grow in technology spreads

continue to grow in technology spreads so does the voice of these once hidden

so does the voice of these once hidden

so does the voice of these once hidden stories social media remarkably allows

stories social media remarkably allows

stories social media remarkably allows people to connect in some cases feel

people to connect in some cases feel

people to connect in some cases feel less alone and in this context it is

less alone and in this context it is

less alone and in this context it is really as a remarkable tool because it’s

really as a remarkable tool because it’s

really as a remarkable tool because it’s allowing people who otherwise would

allowing people who otherwise would

allowing people who otherwise would struggle to be heard to have a platform

struggle to be heard to have a platform

struggle to be heard to have a platform to have their to be hood so in the first

to have their to be hood so in the first

to have their to be hood so in the first three months we had a hundred thousand

three months we had a hundred thousand

three months we had a hundred thousand followers on Instagram and the support

followers on Instagram and the support

followers on Instagram and the support was really overwhelming and there’s a

was really overwhelming and there’s a

was really overwhelming and there’s a National Geographic contributing

National Geographic contributing

National Geographic contributing photographer I was able to post on the

photographer I was able to post on the

photographer I was able to post on the National Geographic Instagram site so

National Geographic Instagram site so

National Geographic Instagram site so you know for this picture alone we had

you know for this picture alone we had

you know for this picture alone we had 240,000 people like it you know and

240,000 people like it you know and

240,000 people like it you know and given that our goal was to amplify the

given that our goal was to amplify the

given that our goal was to amplify the voices of those peoples silenced by

voices of those peoples silenced by

voices of those peoples silenced by bigotry social media was really giving

bigotry social media was really giving

bigotry social media was really giving us a helping hand but it wasn’t just a

us a helping hand but it wasn’t just a

us a helping hand but it wasn’t just a you know online that we were creating

you know online that we were creating

you know online that we were creating this work we and sorry it wasn’t just my

this work we and sorry it wasn’t just my

this work we and sorry it wasn’t just my my photographs

my photographs

my photographs it was photographs from the other people

it was photographs from the other people

it was photographs from the other people sharing their stories too for as an

sharing their stories too for as an

sharing their stories too for as an example as CJ who is here from the US CJ

example as CJ who is here from the US CJ

example as CJ who is here from the US CJ is from a Christian family she lives in

is from a Christian family she lives in

is from a Christian family she lives in a very conservative area CJ was drugged

a very conservative area CJ was drugged

a very conservative area CJ was drugged and gang-raped by four young men she was

and gang-raped by four young men she was

and gang-raped by four young men she was semi-conscious during the rape and

semi-conscious during the rape and

semi-conscious during the rape and remembers wanting them one of them

remembers wanting them one of them

remembers wanting them one of them telling her

telling her

telling her that he was saving her from burning

that he was saving her from burning

that he was saving her from burning eternally in hell CJ is a lesbian CJ

eternally in hell CJ is a lesbian CJ

eternally in hell CJ is a lesbian CJ told us that you know she was it was

told us that you know she was it was

told us that you know she was it was very liberating for her to share her

very liberating for her to share her

very liberating for her to share her story but she also talked about how she

story but she also talked about how she

story but she also talked about how she still felt a deep level of shame we were

still felt a deep level of shame we were

still felt a deep level of shame we were flooded with comments of love and

flooded with comments of love and

flooded with comments of love and support for CJ and many people including

support for CJ and many people including

support for CJ and many people including myself and the volunteers that were

myself and the volunteers that were

myself and the volunteers that were lovers illegal were deeply moved by her

lovers illegal were deeply moved by her

lovers illegal were deeply moved by her story again social media was allowing

story again social media was allowing

story again social media was allowing people to connect but the impact is not

people to connect but the impact is not

people to connect but the impact is not just online and we’ve been having this

just online and we’ve been having this

just online and we’ve been having this work you know go into traditional media

work you know go into traditional media

work you know go into traditional media and into exhibitions and from in many

and into exhibitions and from in many

and into exhibitions and from in many different countries and it’s just a you

different countries and it’s just a you

different countries and it’s just a you know the many different ways and

know the many different ways and

know the many different ways and platforms that we are able to have these

platforms that we are able to have these

platforms that we are able to have these voices heard including things like doing

voices heard including things like doing

voices heard including things like doing talks like this but as I said earlier

talks like this but as I said earlier

talks like this but as I said earlier raising awareness is not enough so with

raising awareness is not enough so with

raising awareness is not enough so with some volunteers I created this

some volunteers I created this

some volunteers I created this organization witness change which is a

organization witness change which is a

organization witness change which is a 501 C 3 and you know some volunteers

501 C 3 and you know some volunteers

501 C 3 and you know some volunteers came forward some of them are not here

came forward some of them are not here

came forward some of them are not here tonight which is very nice and impact

tonight which is very nice and impact

tonight which is very nice and impact became a major driver in the work that

became a major driver in the work that

became a major driver in the work that we do and we keep asking ourselves where

we do and we keep asking ourselves where

we do and we keep asking ourselves where is the change in what we’re doing how

is the change in what we’re doing how

is the change in what we’re doing how are we making a difference and we wanted

are we making a difference and we wanted

are we making a difference and we wanted to make sure that we’re getting the work

to make sure that we’re getting the work

to make sure that we’re getting the work in front of people who could really make

in front of people who could really make

in front of people who could really make a difference in giving them avenues to

a difference in giving them avenues to

a difference in giving them avenues to make change happen so and that’s what

make change happen so and that’s what

make change happen so and that’s what we’ve been doing so in every country

we’ve been doing so in every country

we’ve been doing so in every country where I worked

where I worked

where I worked I would collaborate with a small

I would collaborate with a small

I would collaborate with a small organization grassroots organization or

organization grassroots organization or

organization grassroots organization or a couple of people who are working with

a couple of people who are working with

a couple of people who are working with the LGBT community and we thought okay

the LGBT community and we thought okay

the LGBT community and we thought okay if we can help to support them some of

if we can help to support them some of

if we can help to support them some of them who are very poorly resourced that

them who are very poorly resourced that

them who are very poorly resourced that would be making a difference so we

would be making a difference so we

would be making a difference so we raised some money and we supported an

raised some money and we supported an

raised some money and we supported an organization in South Africa who are

organization in South Africa who are

organization in South Africa who are helping LGBT refugees and we raised the

helping LGBT refugees and we raised the

helping LGBT refugees and we raised the money we helped it helped a organisation

money we helped it helped a organisation

money we helped it helped a organisation in Uganda who are tackling homophobic

in Uganda who are tackling homophobic

in Uganda who are tackling homophobic attitudes and when the

attitudes and when the

attitudes and when the young guys who helped me in northern

young guys who helped me in northern

young guys who helped me in northern Nigeria when they reached out to me and

Nigeria when they reached out to me and

Nigeria when they reached out to me and said this for young men who have been

said this for young men who have been

said this for young men who have been arrested for committing gay acts and

arrested for committing gay acts and

arrested for committing gay acts and they are in prison and we don’t have

they are in prison and we don’t have

they are in prison and we don’t have bail we can’t afford legal

bail we can’t afford legal

bail we can’t afford legal representation so we turned to social

representation so we turned to social

representation so we turned to social media and we posted this and within 24

media and we posted this and within 24

media and we posted this and within 24 hours we raised the money to get the

hours we raised the money to get the

hours we raised the money to get the bail and enough money to get them legal

bail and enough money to get them legal

bail and enough money to get them legal representation so we got them out of

representation so we got them out of

representation so we got them out of prison and the lawyers got the charges

prison and the lawyers got the charges

prison and the lawyers got the charges dropped so you know where love is legal

dropped so you know where love is legal

dropped so you know where love is legal has not by any stretch changed the world

has not by any stretch changed the world

has not by any stretch changed the world for LGBT people but for these four year

for LGBT people but for these four year

for LGBT people but for these four year it really made a world of difference

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