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homo Naledi x’ story is changing our

homo Naledi x’ story is changing our story the story of human origins and in

story the story of human origins and in

story the story of human origins and in fact this discovery is changing how

fact this discovery is changing how

fact this discovery is changing how paleoanthropologists and scientists

paleoanthropologists and scientists

paleoanthropologists and scientists think about and craft the story of our

think about and craft the story of our

think about and craft the story of our past all of you have actually seen this

past all of you have actually seen this

past all of you have actually seen this image before I’m hoping and it tells a

image before I’m hoping and it tells a

image before I’m hoping and it tells a story it tells a really good story and

story it tells a really good story and

story it tells a really good story and it’s a story about two cavers and some

it’s a story about two cavers and some

it’s a story about two cavers and some bones but it’s also about how that

bones but it’s also about how that

bones but it’s also about how that discovery led a paleoanthropologist to

discovery led a paleoanthropologist to

discovery led a paleoanthropologist to place a very unusual call for excavators

place a very unusual call for excavators

place a very unusual call for excavators of a particular type and how this call

of a particular type and how this call

of a particular type and how this call brought six women myself one of them

brought six women myself one of them

brought six women myself one of them together with a huge team of scientists

together with a huge team of scientists

together with a huge team of scientists volunteers and cavers to undertake an

volunteers and cavers to undertake an

volunteers and cavers to undertake an extraordinary three-week expedition in

extraordinary three-week expedition in

extraordinary three-week expedition in South Africa

South Africa

South Africa now the pictures and perhaps the video

now the pictures and perhaps the video

now the pictures and perhaps the video give you a little idea of what it’s like

give you a little idea of what it’s like

give you a little idea of what it’s like but as one of those people that had to

but as one of those people that had to

but as one of those people that had to traverse that route every day I’ll give

traverse that route every day I’ll give

traverse that route every day I’ll give you a slightly more personal idea of

you a slightly more personal idea of

you a slightly more personal idea of what that was like so that is some of

what that was like so that is some of

what that was like so that is some of the damage I am NOT the hairy ankle

the damage I am NOT the hairy ankle

the damage I am NOT the hairy ankle thank you very much but the top three

thank you very much but the top three

thank you very much but the top three pictures are of me at various stages

pictures are of me at various stages

pictures are of me at various stages during the expedition but it really was

during the expedition but it really was

during the expedition but it really was all worth it you saw the fantastic

all worth it you saw the fantastic

all worth it you saw the fantastic results of our expedition just an

results of our expedition just an

results of our expedition just an incredible treasure trove of material

incredible treasure trove of material

incredible treasure trove of material that we couldn’t possibly have imagined

that we couldn’t possibly have imagined

that we couldn’t possibly have imagined with images that really still send

with images that really still send

with images that really still send shivers down my back when I see them I

shivers down my back when I see them I

shivers down my back when I see them I was the first scientist into the chamber

was the first scientist into the chamber

was the first scientist into the chamber once the remains had been discovered and

once the remains had been discovered and

once the remains had been discovered and it really was one of those watershed

it really was one of those watershed

it really was one of those watershed moments there’s a little narrow hallway

moments there’s a little narrow hallway

moments there’s a little narrow hallway that then opens up into the denali

that then opens up into the denali

that then opens up into the denali chamber itself and as I squeezed through

chamber itself and as I squeezed through

chamber itself and as I squeezed through that hallway and looked into the dinna

that hallway and looked into the dinna

that hallway and looked into the dinna letty chamber for me what flashed

letty chamber for me what flashed

letty chamber for me what flashed through my head that very instant was

through my head that very instant was

through my head that very instant was Howard Carter and what it must have felt

Howard Carter and what it must have felt

Howard Carter and what it must have felt like for him to step into Tutankhamun’s

like for him to step into Tutankhamun’s

like for him to step into Tutankhamun’s tomb for the first time both of us only

tomb for the first time both of us only

tomb for the first time both of us only had a lamp to illuminate what was in

had a lamp to illuminate what was in

had a lamp to illuminate what was in that space and I think for me I I really

that space and I think for me I I really

that space and I think for me I I really felt like all I could see was what my

felt like all I could see was what my

felt like all I could see was what my headlamp showed me and that was flashes

headlamp showed me and that was flashes

headlamp showed me and that was flashes of bone everywhere I look

of bone everywhere I look

of bone everywhere I look and I really thought wow this is what

and I really thought wow this is what

and I really thought wow this is what Carter must have felt like when he saw

Carter must have felt like when he saw

Carter must have felt like when he saw flashes of treasure everywhere he looked

flashes of treasure everywhere he looked

flashes of treasure everywhere he looked it’s an exhilarating feeling and by now

it’s an exhilarating feeling and by now

it’s an exhilarating feeling and by now you know that these remains actually

you know that these remains actually

you know that these remains actually represent one of the most unusual and

represent one of the most unusual and

represent one of the most unusual and incredible assemblages of material in

incredible assemblages of material in

incredible assemblages of material in history and an entirely new species Homo

history and an entirely new species Homo

history and an entirely new species Homo Naledi

Naledi

Naledi when Homo Naledi was announced last

when Homo Naledi was announced last

when Homo Naledi was announced last September it trended number two on the

September it trended number two on the

September it trended number two on the Twitterverse briefly usurping the

Twitterverse briefly usurping the

Twitterverse briefly usurping the Kardashians which I understand is quite

Kardashians which I understand is quite

Kardashians which I understand is quite a feat but one of the reasons it made

a feat but one of the reasons it made

a feat but one of the reasons it made such a splash was the volume of the

such a splash was the volume of the

such a splash was the volume of the material I mean these 1500 and now 1700

material I mean these 1500 and now 1700

material I mean these 1500 and now 1700 specimens that we’d recovered was

specimens that we’d recovered was

specimens that we’d recovered was unprecedented and what people maybe also

unprecedented and what people maybe also

unprecedented and what people maybe also don’t realize is that all that material

don’t realize is that all that material

don’t realize is that all that material those 1500 fragments that we recovered

those 1500 fragments that we recovered

those 1500 fragments that we recovered during that initial expedition came out

during that initial expedition came out

during that initial expedition came out of an area 80 centimeters by 80

of an area 80 centimeters by 80

of an area 80 centimeters by 80 centimeters by 20 centimeters deep

centimeters by 20 centimeters deep

centimeters by 20 centimeters deep that’s the size of a child’s sandbox and

that’s the size of a child’s sandbox and

that’s the size of a child’s sandbox and for a discipline making you know is used

for a discipline making you know is used

for a discipline making you know is used to having making a fuss about one tooth

to having making a fuss about one tooth

to having making a fuss about one tooth or finding a jaw that’s really was quite

or finding a jaw that’s really was quite

or finding a jaw that’s really was quite traumatizing to the Paleo

traumatizing to the Paleo

traumatizing to the Paleo anthropological community you see for

anthropological community you see for

anthropological community you see for decades we believed the story that the

decades we believed the story that the

decades we believed the story that the human fossils were as rare as hen’s

human fossils were as rare as hen’s

human fossils were as rare as hen’s teeth that it took basically an act of

teeth that it took basically an act of

teeth that it took basically an act of God or a lottery ticket or being hit by

God or a lottery ticket or being hit by

God or a lottery ticket or being hit by lightning in order to find this material

lightning in order to find this material

lightning in order to find this material but here was a situation where not only

but here was a situation where not only

but here was a situation where not only was the material ridiculously abundant

was the material ridiculously abundant

was the material ridiculously abundant but had been found by someone who’d been

but had been found by someone who’d been

but had been found by someone who’d been electrocuted once before so what was

electrocuted once before so what was

electrocuted once before so what was going on here but what a lot of people

going on here but what a lot of people

going on here but what a lot of people forget about getting hit by lightning

forget about getting hit by lightning

forget about getting hit by lightning twice is that you can increase your odds

twice is that you can increase your odds

twice is that you can increase your odds tremendously by getting out there every

tremendously by getting out there every

tremendously by getting out there every day with a lightning rod and what we

day with a lightning rod and what we

day with a lightning rod and what we proved in finding sediba and then Naledi

proved in finding sediba and then Naledi

proved in finding sediba and then Naledi is that experienced persistence and

is that experienced persistence and

is that experienced persistence and knowledge really can pay off big-time

knowledge really can pay off big-time

knowledge really can pay off big-time but if you don’t look you certainly

but if you don’t look you certainly

but if you don’t look you certainly won’t find then we actually started

won’t find then we actually started

won’t find then we actually started looking at the bones and within those

looking at the bones and within those

looking at the bones and within those 1,500 fragments that we were looking at

1,500 fragments that we were looking at

1,500 fragments that we were looking at we had the skulls and the bodies of at

we had the skulls and the bodies of at

we had the skulls and the bodies of at least 15 individuals and we had almost

least 15 individuals and we had almost

least 15 individuals and we had almost every bone in the body represented more

every bone in the body represented more

every bone in the body represented more than once and what we found was totally

than once and what we found was totally

than once and what we found was totally unexpected

unexpected

unexpected a combination of features that we

a combination of features that we

a combination of features that we couldn’t possibly have imagined and

couldn’t possibly have imagined and

couldn’t possibly have imagined and couldn’t have predicted in advance what

couldn’t have predicted in advance what

couldn’t have predicted in advance what this meant though was that our

this meant though was that our

this meant though was that our understanding of skeletal shape and

understanding of skeletal shape and

understanding of skeletal shape and species identification kind of had to be

species identification kind of had to be

species identification kind of had to be rethought because if we took just a

rethought because if we took just a

rethought because if we took just a scrap of nollette ease jaw we would say

scrap of nollette ease jaw we would say

scrap of nollette ease jaw we would say it was one thing but if we took a scrap

it was one thing but if we took a scrap

it was one thing but if we took a scrap of its foot we would say it was

of its foot we would say it was

of its foot we would say it was something totally different and then

something totally different and then

something totally different and then there were parts of Naledi that were

there were parts of Naledi that were

there were parts of Naledi that were unique to it so it was really one of

unique to it so it was really one of

unique to it so it was really one of those situations where we had to start

those situations where we had to start

those situations where we had to start thinking about those stories again and

thinking about those stories again and

thinking about those stories again and trying to figure out what these features

trying to figure out what these features

trying to figure out what these features actually were telling us it presented a

actually were telling us it presented a

actually were telling us it presented a problem for paleoanthropology though

problem for paleoanthropology though

problem for paleoanthropology though because it meant that scraps really

because it meant that scraps really

because it meant that scraps really aren’t a good indication of the whole

aren’t a good indication of the whole

aren’t a good indication of the whole anymore and it raises questions about

anymore and it raises questions about

anymore and it raises questions about all those other little scraps that we’ve

all those other little scraps that we’ve

all those other little scraps that we’ve been making stories about so

been making stories about so

been making stories about so definitively for so long so it really is

definitively for so long so it really is

definitively for so long so it really is challenging us to go back and look at

challenging us to go back and look at

challenging us to go back and look at the material we have with new eyes and

the material we have with new eyes and

the material we have with new eyes and maybe think about how we need to

maybe think about how we need to

maybe think about how we need to reconfigure those stories in addition

reconfigure those stories in addition

reconfigure those stories in addition new Letty’s mosaic of features raises

new Letty’s mosaic of features raises

new Letty’s mosaic of features raises questions about how we view our origins

questions about how we view our origins

questions about how we view our origins in the first place now we don’t have a

in the first place now we don’t have a

in the first place now we don’t have a clear date for Naledi yet but even

clear date for Naledi yet but even

clear date for Naledi yet but even though if nobody is old or if it’s young

though if nobody is old or if it’s young

though if nobody is old or if it’s young either way it suggests that we don’t

either way it suggests that we don’t

either way it suggests that we don’t really understand that human family tree

really understand that human family tree

really understand that human family tree very well at all and then it reinforces

very well at all and then it reinforces

very well at all and then it reinforces the fact that you know we we just need

the fact that you know we we just need

the fact that you know we we just need to maybe think about that story again in

to maybe think about that story again in

to maybe think about that story again in a different way not only is the tree

a different way not only is the tree

a different way not only is the tree much bushier maybe then we originally

much bushier maybe then we originally

much bushier maybe then we originally thought about it but our family tree may

thought about it but our family tree may

thought about it but our family tree may not actually be a bush at all what we

not actually be a bush at all what we

not actually be a bush at all what we may be looking at is more like a river

may be looking at is more like a river

may be looking at is more like a river delta a whole bunch of rivulet coming

delta a whole bunch of rivulet coming

delta a whole bunch of rivulet coming down from a common source some that

down from a common source some that

down from a common source some that trickle down and dry out and we never

trickle down and dry out and we never

trickle down and dry out and we never see them again

see them again

see them again other rivulets come back and join

other rivulets come back and join

other rivulets come back and join another rivulet to make a bigger rivulet

another rivulet to make a bigger rivulet

another rivulet to make a bigger rivulet that continues on down and all of them

that continues on down and all of them

that continues on down and all of them ending up in a big pool at the bottom

ending up in a big pool at the bottom

ending up in a big pool at the bottom and that big pool is the now over seven

and that big pool is the now over seven

and that big pool is the now over seven billion humans that we see on the planet

billion humans that we see on the planet

billion humans that we see on the planet today and this analogy may stand the

today and this analogy may stand the

today and this analogy may stand the test of time or not we’ll have to see

test of time or not we’ll have to see

test of time or not we’ll have to see and as it turned out the next chapter

and as it turned out the next chapter

and as it turned out the next chapter doing the analysis and description of

doing the analysis and description of

doing the analysis and description of the material also knew

the material also knew

the material also knew did a bit of a rewrite Li and the team

did a bit of a rewrite Li and the team

did a bit of a rewrite Li and the team decided to open up the primary analysis

decided to open up the primary analysis

decided to open up the primary analysis of the fossils to young scientists early

of the fossils to young scientists early

of the fossils to young scientists early career scientists and not just a few

career scientists and not just a few

career scientists and not just a few almost 40 researchers met in South

almost 40 researchers met in South

almost 40 researchers met in South Africa to do the analysis of the

Africa to do the analysis of the

Africa to do the analysis of the material and even in estimating for a

material and even in estimating for a

material and even in estimating for a modest forty hour work week which we

modest forty hour work week which we

modest forty hour work week which we certainly exceeded this amounted to

certainly exceeded this amounted to

certainly exceeded this amounted to almost 10,000 hours of research

almost 10,000 hours of research

almost 10,000 hours of research something that would take a single

something that would take a single

something that would take a single researcher almost five years to match

researcher almost five years to match

researcher almost five years to match but it did rattle a few cages because it

but it did rattle a few cages because it

but it did rattle a few cages because it presented a new model for research one

presented a new model for research one

presented a new model for research one that was more inclusive one that allowed

that was more inclusive one that allowed

that was more inclusive one that allowed engagement and and discussion among each

engagement and and discussion among each

engagement and and discussion among each other and it was really exciting and I

other and it was really exciting and I

other and it was really exciting and I mean something in fact that I think our

mean something in fact that I think our

mean something in fact that I think our discipline has been very sadly

discipline has been very sadly

discipline has been very sadly neglectful of in the past and that

neglectful of in the past and that

neglectful of in the past and that actually brings us to the last way in

actually brings us to the last way in

actually brings us to the last way in which Naledi may be changing our human

which Naledi may be changing our human

which Naledi may be changing our human story and that is in how we tell it how

story and that is in how we tell it how

story and that is in how we tell it how anthropologists and scientists share

anthropologists and scientists share

anthropologists and scientists share that information with each other and

that information with each other and

that information with each other and with the public the scientific papers

with the public the scientific papers

with the public the scientific papers that describe Naledi were released in a

that describe Naledi were released in a

that describe Naledi were released in a open access journal called Elife shortly

open access journal called Elife shortly

open access journal called Elife shortly thereafter we released all the

thereafter we released all the

thereafter we released all the shapefiles for the fossils on a website

shapefiles for the fossils on a website

shapefiles for the fossils on a website called morph row source hosted by Duke

called morph row source hosted by Duke

called morph row source hosted by Duke University this meant that the primary

University this meant that the primary

University this meant that the primary information on Naledi and basically

information on Naledi and basically

information on Naledi and basically casts of all the fossils were available

casts of all the fossils were available

casts of all the fossils were available to anyone who wanted them free of charge

to anyone who wanted them free of charge

to anyone who wanted them free of charge our team really felt strongly that

our team really felt strongly that

our team really felt strongly that because this material is not ours to

because this material is not ours to

because this material is not ours to hoard its South African heritage it’s

hoard its South African heritage it’s

hoard its South African heritage it’s actually world heritage this material

actually world heritage this material

actually world heritage this material relates to the origins of all of us and

relates to the origins of all of us and

relates to the origins of all of us and it was really important for us to share

it was really important for us to share

it was really important for us to share that with all of us it’s a human

that with all of us it’s a human

that with all of us it’s a human question for me the open access model is

question for me the open access model is

question for me the open access model is actually one of the best parts of this

actually one of the best parts of this

actually one of the best parts of this story in the last year

story in the last year

story in the last year well since September I have done over

well since September I have done over

well since September I have done over 400 interviews and almost 60 talks on

400 interviews and almost 60 talks on

400 interviews and almost 60 talks on Naledi and everywhere I’ve gone the

Naledi and everywhere I’ve gone the

Naledi and everywhere I’ve gone the response has been the same excitement

response has been the same excitement

response has been the same excitement interest and a real desire to learn

interest and a real desire to learn

interest and a real desire to learn about human origins and scientific

about human origins and scientific

about human origins and scientific exploration but I think one of the

exploration but I think one of the

exploration but I think one of the things that I have seen in that is that

things that I have seen in that is that

things that I have seen in that is that people maybe try kind of feel isolated

people maybe try kind of feel isolated

people maybe try kind of feel isolated by scientific research

by scientific research

by scientific research not because they are stupid or the

not because they are stupid or the

not because they are stupid or the science is too hard but because perhaps

science is too hard but because perhaps

science is too hard but because perhaps we as scientists have done a poor job of

we as scientists have done a poor job of

we as scientists have done a poor job of telling the stories people cannot be

telling the stories people cannot be

telling the stories people cannot be expected to know what they haven’t

expected to know what they haven’t

expected to know what they haven’t learned and if they feel isolated from

learned and if they feel isolated from

learned and if they feel isolated from that learning it develops into mistrust

that learning it develops into mistrust

that learning it develops into mistrust and mistrust breeds breeds fear and fear

and mistrust breeds breeds fear and fear

and mistrust breeds breeds fear and fear blocks curiosity it’s really up to us as

blocks curiosity it’s really up to us as

blocks curiosity it’s really up to us as scientists and educators to make our

scientists and educators to make our

scientists and educators to make our research comprehensible and accessible

research comprehensible and accessible

research comprehensible and accessible to people and help them engage with what

to people and help them engage with what

to people and help them engage with what we do in a really meaningful way science

we do in a really meaningful way science

we do in a really meaningful way science really is all about adjusting one’s

really is all about adjusting one’s

really is all about adjusting one’s views in light of new evidence and in

views in light of new evidence and in

views in light of new evidence and in many ways by pushing the dark spaces of

many ways by pushing the dark spaces of

many ways by pushing the dark spaces of South Africa Homo Naledi ‘z discovery is

South Africa Homo Naledi ‘z discovery is

South Africa Homo Naledi ‘z discovery is pulling paleoanthropology into the light

pulling paleoanthropology into the light

pulling paleoanthropology into the light of new ways of doing and thinking about

of new ways of doing and thinking about

of new ways of doing and thinking about our science and as much as I love the

our science and as much as I love the

our science and as much as I love the underworld that I work in

underworld that I work in

underworld that I work in I think this research is really putting

I think this research is really putting

I think this research is really putting a necessary and very positive spotlight

a necessary and very positive spotlight

a necessary and very positive spotlight on human origins and giving

on human origins and giving

on human origins and giving paleoanthropologists an opportunity to

paleoanthropologists an opportunity to

paleoanthropologists an opportunity to tell some very cool news stories I hope

tell some very cool news stories I hope

tell some very cool news stories I hope that you will help me share those with

that you will help me share those with

that you will help me share those with the rest of the world thank you

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