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How Fear of Nuclear Ends | Michael Shellenberger | TEDxCalPoly


around the world people look to

around the world people look to California for leadership when it comes

California for leadership when it comes

California for leadership when it comes to clean energy and climate change in

to clean energy and climate change in

to clean energy and climate change in 2006 we were one of the first states to

2006 we were one of the first states to

2006 we were one of the first states to pass aggressive climate change

pass aggressive climate change

pass aggressive climate change legislation and our emissions have come

legislation and our emissions have come

legislation and our emissions have come down ever since last year we passed

down ever since last year we passed

down ever since last year we passed legislation that requires that by 2030

legislation that requires that by 2030

legislation that requires that by 2030 we get half of our power from renewables

we get half of our power from renewables

we get half of our power from renewables and our per capita energy consumption is

and our per capita energy consumption is

and our per capita energy consumption is some of the lowest in the United States

some of the lowest in the United States

some of the lowest in the United States now I’ve been in California for 20 years

now I’ve been in California for 20 years

now I’ve been in California for 20 years all of that time as an environmental

all of that time as an environmental

all of that time as an environmental activist and 10 years of that as an

activist and 10 years of that as an

activist and 10 years of that as an energy analyst and so I’m kind of

energy analyst and so I’m kind of

energy analyst and so I’m kind of embarrassed to admit that I never

embarrassed to admit that I never

embarrassed to admit that I never actually questioned any aspect of that

actually questioned any aspect of that

actually questioned any aspect of that story I just told you all the facts I

story I just told you all the facts I

story I just told you all the facts I mentioned are correct they just end up

mentioned are correct they just end up

mentioned are correct they just end up painting a really misleading story so

painting a really misleading story so

painting a really misleading story so what do I mean well we do get a lot of

what do I mean well we do get a lot of

what do I mean well we do get a lot of power from solar last year we got 10% of

power from solar last year we got 10% of

power from solar last year we got 10% of our electricity from solar but it was

our electricity from solar but it was

our electricity from solar but it was actually more solar energy than we could

actually more solar energy than we could

actually more solar energy than we could use this spring we actually had to cut

use this spring we actually had to cut

use this spring we actually had to cut off the power from our solar farms so

off the power from our solar farms so

off the power from our solar farms so wouldn’t overwhelm the grid and we’ve

wouldn’t overwhelm the grid and we’ve

wouldn’t overwhelm the grid and we’ve been adding more and more clean energy

been adding more and more clean energy

been adding more and more clean energy in aggregate terms but you can see that

in aggregate terms but you can see that

in aggregate terms but you can see that since since 1990 the percentage of power

since since 1990 the percentage of power

since since 1990 the percentage of power from clean energy sources has actually

from clean energy sources has actually

from clean energy sources has actually declined from 51 percent to 46 percent

declined from 51 percent to 46 percent

declined from 51 percent to 46 percent what about emissions well emissions did

what about emissions well emissions did

what about emissions well emissions did decline as I mentioned since 2000 but

decline as I mentioned since 2000 but

decline as I mentioned since 2000 but the interesting thing is they actually

the interesting thing is they actually

the interesting thing is they actually declined less than the national average

declined less than the national average

declined less than the national average and I mentioned before the climate

and I mentioned before the climate

and I mentioned before the climate legislation in 2006 well here’s the

legislation in 2006 well here’s the

legislation in 2006 well here’s the funniest part our emissions actually

funniest part our emissions actually

funniest part our emissions actually declined four times faster before we

declined four times faster before we

declined four times faster before we pass that climate legislation well

pass that climate legislation well

pass that climate legislation well what about energy consumption well the

what about energy consumption well the

what about energy consumption well the truth is that our low per capita energy

truth is that our low per capita energy

truth is that our low per capita energy consumption is a result of a couple of

consumption is a result of a couple of

consumption is a result of a couple of main factors the first is just that our

main factors the first is just that our

main factors the first is just that our energy prices are much higher than the

energy prices are much higher than the

energy prices are much higher than the rest of the country so our energy

rest of the country so our energy

rest of the country so our energy intensive industries had to relocate

intensive industries had to relocate

intensive industries had to relocate elsewhere things like manufacturing and

elsewhere things like manufacturing and

elsewhere things like manufacturing and factories and then the other reason is

factories and then the other reason is

factories and then the other reason is that we live in a really temperate

that we live in a really temperate

that we live in a really temperate climate and so we just don’t need as

climate and so we just don’t need as

climate and so we just don’t need as much heating and air conditioning for

much heating and air conditioning for

much heating and air conditioning for our buildings and homes as other parts

our buildings and homes as other parts

our buildings and homes as other parts of the

of the

of the tree in other words in California we’re

tree in other words in California we’re

tree in other words in California we’re not actually leading the clean energy

not actually leading the clean energy

not actually leading the clean energy revolution we’re losing it well why is

revolution we’re losing it well why is

revolution we’re losing it well why is that well to understand the reason we

that well to understand the reason we

that well to understand the reason we have to go back in time exactly 50 years

have to go back in time exactly 50 years

have to go back in time exactly 50 years – very special moment in American and I

– very special moment in American and I

– very special moment in American and I think in human history and that’s the

think in human history and that’s the

think in human history and that’s the rise of nuclear fear now most people

rise of nuclear fear now most people

rise of nuclear fear now most people don’t realize that in the 1950s and 60s

don’t realize that in the 1950s and 60s

don’t realize that in the 1950s and 60s a lot of environmentalists were actually

a lot of environmentalists were actually

a lot of environmentalists were actually pro-nuclear I mean the Sierra Club

pro-nuclear I mean the Sierra Club

pro-nuclear I mean the Sierra Club argued for nuclear power plants as a way

argued for nuclear power plants as a way

argued for nuclear power plants as a way to not have to build hydroelectric dams

to not have to build hydroelectric dams

to not have to build hydroelectric dams which require covering up a lot of the

which require covering up a lot of the

which require covering up a lot of the landscape doing a lot of damage over a

landscape doing a lot of damage over a

landscape doing a lot of damage over a lot of areas in 1966 there ended up

lot of areas in 1966 there ended up

lot of areas in 1966 there ended up being a really big debate inside the

being a really big debate inside the

being a really big debate inside the Sierra Club which is which very powerful

Sierra Club which is which very powerful

Sierra Club which is which very powerful organization back then really the main

organization back then really the main

organization back then really the main environmental organization in the state

environmental organization in the state

environmental organization in the state and the debate was over whether or not

and the debate was over whether or not

and the debate was over whether or not to build a nuclear power plant just a

to build a nuclear power plant just a

to build a nuclear power plant just a half an hour away from here Diablo

half an hour away from here Diablo

half an hour away from here Diablo Canyon the most eloquent advocate for

Canyon the most eloquent advocate for

Canyon the most eloquent advocate for building Diablo Canyon was this man will

building Diablo Canyon was this man will

building Diablo Canyon was this man will see read he was a bio physicist at the

see read he was a bio physicist at the

see read he was a bio physicist at the University of California Berkeley and a

University of California Berkeley and a

University of California Berkeley and a member of the Sierra Club Board of

member of the Sierra Club Board of

member of the Sierra Club Board of Directors he was also a pretty amazing

Directors he was also a pretty amazing

Directors he was also a pretty amazing Mountaineer here he here he was in the

Mountaineer here he here he was in the

Mountaineer here he here he was in the Himalayas he actually he and his buddies

Himalayas he actually he and his buddies

Himalayas he actually he and his buddies almost starved to death in the Himalayas

almost starved to death in the Himalayas

almost starved to death in the Himalayas back then you had to be a pretty badass

back then you had to be a pretty badass

back then you had to be a pretty badass Mountaineer to be on the board with

Mountaineer to be on the board with

Mountaineer to be on the board with Sierra Club

Sierra Club

Sierra Club but Siri didn’t just like nuclear power

but Siri didn’t just like nuclear power

but Siri didn’t just like nuclear power Siri loved it he wrote nuclear power is

Siri loved it he wrote nuclear power is

Siri loved it he wrote nuclear power is one of the chief long-term hopes for

one of the chief long-term hopes for

one of the chief long-term hopes for conservation what did he mean by that

conservation what did he mean by that

conservation what did he mean by that well cheap affordable and abundant power

well cheap affordable and abundant power

well cheap affordable and abundant power he argued was essential to allow people

he argued was essential to allow people

he argued was essential to allow people to move to the cities to get jobs in the

to move to the cities to get jobs in the

to move to the cities to get jobs in the cities and that would allow the

cities and that would allow the

cities and that would allow the countryside to return to grasslands and

countryside to return to grasslands and

countryside to return to grasslands and forests for endangered species to come

forests for endangered species to come

forests for endangered species to come back and if you’re gonna have all those

back and if you’re gonna have all those

back and if you’re gonna have all those people in the city and you’re gonna have

people in the city and you’re gonna have

people in the city and you’re gonna have all that power it had to be clean and if

all that power it had to be clean and if

all that power it had to be clean and if you didn’t want to do hydroelectric dams

you didn’t want to do hydroelectric dams

you didn’t want to do hydroelectric dams anymore you really just left with one

anymore you really just left with one

anymore you really just left with one main alternative and that was nuclear

main alternative and that was nuclear

main alternative and that was nuclear now Siri had some very fierce opponents

now Siri had some very fierce opponents

now Siri had some very fierce opponents inside the Sierra Club maybe the most

inside the Sierra Club maybe the most

inside the Sierra Club maybe the most important one was this man David Brower

important one was this man David Brower

important one was this man David Brower he was the executive director of the

he was the executive director of the

he was the executive director of the Sierra Club and he made the opposite

Sierra Club and he made the opposite

Sierra Club and he made the opposite argument to Siri if a doubling of the

argument to Siri if a doubling of the

argument to Siri if a doubling of the state’s population in the next 20 years

state’s population in the next 20 years

state’s population in the next 20 years is encouraged by providing the power

is encouraged by providing the power

is encouraged by providing the power resources for this growth California’s

resources for this growth California’s

resources for this growth California’s scenic character will be destroyed he

scenic character will be destroyed he

scenic character will be destroyed he argued in other words the problem wasn’t

argued in other words the problem wasn’t

argued in other words the problem wasn’t it’s not about cities and countryside it

it’s not about cities and countryside it

it’s not about cities and countryside it was just too many people coming to

was just too many people coming to

was just too many people coming to California well a few years later one of

California well a few years later one of

California well a few years later one of the Sierra Club’s top advisors even went

the Sierra Club’s top advisors even went

the Sierra Club’s top advisors even went so far as to say look even if it’s clean

so far as to say look even if it’s clean

so far as to say look even if it’s clean power it doesn’t matter this is a Marie

power it doesn’t matter this is a Marie

power it doesn’t matter this is a Marie Lovins

Lovins

Lovins and he said it would be little short of

and he said it would be little short of

and he said it would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source

disastrous for us to discover a source

disastrous for us to discover a source of clean cheap abundant energy because

of clean cheap abundant energy because

of clean cheap abundant energy because of what we would do with it now you

of what we would do with it now you

of what we would do with it now you might be wondering what happened well

might be wondering what happened well

might be wondering what happened well obviously you know that Diablo Canyon

obviously you know that Diablo Canyon

obviously you know that Diablo Canyon exists but here’s maybe the most

exists but here’s maybe the most

exists but here’s maybe the most surprising thing in 1966 1967 and then

surprising thing in 1966 1967 and then

surprising thing in 1966 1967 and then again in 1969 the Sierra Club Board of

again in 1969 the Sierra Club Board of

again in 1969 the Sierra Club Board of Directors and their membership voted in

Directors and their membership voted in

Directors and their membership voted in favor of Diablo Canyon and support

favor of Diablo Canyon and support

favor of Diablo Canyon and support during that time actually grew in the

during that time actually grew in the

during that time actually grew in the final vote it was 3 to 1 in favor of

final vote it was 3 to 1 in favor of

final vote it was 3 to 1 in favor of building Diablo Canyon well after this

building Diablo Canyon well after this

building Diablo Canyon well after this loss David Brower left the Sierra Club

loss David Brower left the Sierra Club

loss David Brower left the Sierra Club in 1969 he founded a new organization

in 1969 he founded a new organization

in 1969 he founded a new organization called Friends of the Earth he knew that

called Friends of the Earth he knew that

called Friends of the Earth he knew that he had to do something different than

he had to do something different than

he had to do something different than what they had done before to stop

what they had done before to stop

what they had done before to stop nuclear power and he remembered back to

nuclear power and he remembered back to

nuclear power and he remembered back to 1962 when a young activist named David

1962 when a young activist named David

1962 when a young activist named David Peston came to him and they worked out

Peston came to him and they worked out

Peston came to him and they worked out going to see a different nuclear power

going to see a different nuclear power

going to see a different nuclear power plant that was being proposed in

plant that was being proposed in

plant that was being proposed in Northern California here is David Peston

Northern California here is David Peston

Northern California here is David Peston and his friend hazel Mitchell David

and his friend hazel Mitchell David

and his friend hazel Mitchell David Peston came back to the Sierra Club

Peston came back to the Sierra Club

Peston came back to the Sierra Club Board of Directors and he said look I

Board of Directors and he said look I

Board of Directors and he said look I think I can stop this plant but we’re

think I can stop this plant but we’re

think I can stop this plant but we’re not gonna just do it with the

not gonna just do it with the

not gonna just do it with the conventional conservation arguments and

conventional conservation arguments and

conventional conservation arguments and tools we’re gonna have to make a really

tools we’re gonna have to make a really

tools we’re gonna have to make a really different argument we’re gonna have to

different argument we’re gonna have to

different argument we’re gonna have to argue that nuclear power plants are

argue that nuclear power plants are

argue that nuclear power plants are similar to nuclear weapons and the

similar to nuclear weapons and the

similar to nuclear weapons and the Sierra Club Board of Directors was

Sierra Club Board of Directors was

Sierra Club Board of Directors was pretty upset by this I mean almost

pretty upset by this I mean almost

pretty upset by this I mean almost everybody on it was like not willing to

everybody on it was like not willing to

everybody on it was like not willing to go there I mean they all knew that

go there I mean they all knew that

go there I mean they all knew that nuclear power plant meltdowns could

nuclear power plant meltdowns could

nuclear power plant meltdowns could potentially be very bad but they were

potentially be very bad but they were

potentially be very bad but they were not like nuclear bombs going off um

not like nuclear bombs going off um

not like nuclear bombs going off um pesum in though was undeterred and he

pesum in though was undeterred and he

pesum in though was undeterred and he actually ended up leaving the Sierra

actually ended up leaving the Sierra

actually ended up leaving the Sierra Club and very shortly after he and Hazel

Club and very shortly after he and Hazel

Club and very shortly after he and Hazel Mitchell produced a report

Mitchell produced a report

Mitchell produced a report that said that if this nuclear power

that said that if this nuclear power

that said that if this nuclear power plant leant forward it would create

plant leant forward it would create

plant leant forward it would create death dust a kind of fallout that would

death dust a kind of fallout that would

death dust a kind of fallout that would poison the milk and they organized local

poison the milk and they organized local

poison the milk and they organized local dairies and in the process of doing that

dairies and in the process of doing that

dairies and in the process of doing that they discovered an extraordinarily

they discovered an extraordinarily

they discovered an extraordinarily powerful invisible force and that’s the

powerful invisible force and that’s the

powerful invisible force and that’s the fear of mothers that their children

fear of mothers that their children

fear of mothers that their children might be poisoned

this finally affected the Sierra Club as

this finally affected the Sierra Club as a whole by 1974 the head of the Sierra

a whole by 1974 the head of the Sierra

a whole by 1974 the head of the Sierra Club was saying our campaign stressing

Club was saying our campaign stressing

Club was saying our campaign stressing the hazards of nuclear power will supply

the hazards of nuclear power will supply

the hazards of nuclear power will supply a rationale for increasing regulation

a rationale for increasing regulation

a rationale for increasing regulation and add to the cost of the industry this

and add to the cost of the industry this

and add to the cost of the industry this is from an internal strategy document in

is from an internal strategy document in

is from an internal strategy document in five years David Bowers fear-based

five years David Bowers fear-based

five years David Bowers fear-based strategy had done outside the Sierra

strategy had done outside the Sierra

strategy had done outside the Sierra Club what he had failed to do inside of

Club what he had failed to do inside of

Club what he had failed to do inside of it and that was to make the organization

it and that was to make the organization

it and that was to make the organization and really the rest of the environmental

and really the rest of the environmental

and really the rest of the environmental movement anti-nuclear now the Sierra

movement anti-nuclear now the Sierra

movement anti-nuclear now the Sierra Club at the time found a strong ally in

Club at the time found a strong ally in

Club at the time found a strong ally in the young new governor of California

the young new governor of California

the young new governor of California Jerry Brown and between 1975 and 1978

Jerry Brown and between 1975 and 1978

Jerry Brown and between 1975 and 1978 they would kill two major nuclear power

they would kill two major nuclear power

they would kill two major nuclear power plants with multiple reactors on them

plants with multiple reactors on them

plants with multiple reactors on them David Penton had a ballot initiative

David Penton had a ballot initiative

David Penton had a ballot initiative that was in the works and Jerry Brown

that was in the works and Jerry Brown

that was in the works and Jerry Brown used that to pass the legislation that

used that to pass the legislation that

used that to pass the legislation that effectively outlawed nuclear power with

effectively outlawed nuclear power with

effectively outlawed nuclear power with the exception of nuclear power plants

the exception of nuclear power plants

the exception of nuclear power plants already under construction including

already under construction including

already under construction including Diablo Canyon

Diablo Canyon

Diablo Canyon here’s later when one of the historians

here’s later when one of the historians

here’s later when one of the historians came back and was asking questions about

came back and was asking questions about

came back and was asking questions about what went on with anti-nuclear activists

what went on with anti-nuclear activists

what went on with anti-nuclear activists he interviewed this man Martin Litton

he interviewed this man Martin Litton

he interviewed this man Martin Litton who was one of the first ones to

who was one of the first ones to

who was one of the first ones to photograph Diablo Canyon from the sky

photograph Diablo Canyon from the sky

photograph Diablo Canyon from the sky and he asked Martin he said how worried

and he asked Martin he said how worried

and he asked Martin he said how worried were you actually about meltdowns Martin

were you actually about meltdowns Martin

were you actually about meltdowns Martin said I really didn’t care about possible

said I really didn’t care about possible

said I really didn’t care about possible nuclear accidents because there are too

nuclear accidents because there are too

nuclear accidents because there are too many people anyway I think that playing

many people anyway I think that playing

many people anyway I think that playing dirty if you have a noble end is fine at

dirty if you have a noble end is fine at

dirty if you have a noble end is fine at the time Jerry Brown had two very close

the time Jerry Brown had two very close

the time Jerry Brown had two very close political allies the first is a very

political allies the first is a very

political allies the first is a very famous Hollywood actress named Jane

famous Hollywood actress named Jane

famous Hollywood actress named Jane Fonda there she’s in the middle and her

Fonda there she’s in the middle and her

Fonda there she’s in the middle and her husband Tom Hayden on the right and in

husband Tom Hayden on the right and in

husband Tom Hayden on the right and in 1978 Jane was approached by

1978 Jane was approached by

1978 Jane was approached by the actor Michael Douglas with a

the actor Michael Douglas with a

the actor Michael Douglas with a screenplay he said you might be

screenplay he said you might be

screenplay he said you might be interested in this she was very

interested in this she was very

interested in this she was very interested in it in the next year in

interested in it in the next year in

interested in it in the next year in 1979 this film came out the China

1979 this film came out the China

1979 this film came out the China Syndrome the China Syndrome is a

Syndrome the China Syndrome is a

Syndrome the China Syndrome is a political thriller about a nuclear power

political thriller about a nuclear power

political thriller about a nuclear power plant that almost melts down due to

plant that almost melts down due to

plant that almost melts down due to corporate greed and corruption there’s a

corporate greed and corruption there’s a

corporate greed and corruption there’s a the plant itself looks eerily similar to

the plant itself looks eerily similar to

the plant itself looks eerily similar to Diablo Canyon there’s an earthquake you

Diablo Canyon there’s an earthquake you

Diablo Canyon there’s an earthquake you get the idea the name of the film

get the idea the name of the film

get the idea the name of the film actually came from a kind of outlandish

actually came from a kind of outlandish

actually came from a kind of outlandish scenario the idea was that if there were

scenario the idea was that if there were

scenario the idea was that if there were a meltdown the the hot melted nuclear

a meltdown the the hot melted nuclear

a meltdown the the hot melted nuclear fuel would melt all the way through the

fuel would melt all the way through the

fuel would melt all the way through the earth to China there was a you can see

earth to China there was a you can see

earth to China there was a you can see where I’m going there’s a couple of

where I’m going there’s a couple of

where I’m going there’s a couple of problems with this the first is that

problems with this the first is that

problems with this the first is that China is not actually on the other side

China is not actually on the other side

China is not actually on the other side of the earth from California it’s it’s

of the earth from California it’s it’s

of the earth from California it’s it’s it’s actually a much closer to

it’s actually a much closer to

it’s actually a much closer to Madagascar but I don’t think Madagascar

Madagascar but I don’t think Madagascar

Madagascar but I don’t think Madagascar Syndrome did well in focus groups the

Syndrome did well in focus groups the

Syndrome did well in focus groups the second problem is that that’s just

second problem is that that’s just

second problem is that that’s just physically impossible that’s just not

physically impossible that’s just not

physically impossible that’s just not when nuclear fuels can do but Jane Fonda

when nuclear fuels can do but Jane Fonda

when nuclear fuels can do but Jane Fonda tapped into the same thing that person

tapped into the same thing that person

tapped into the same thing that person and David Penton had discovered seven

and David Penton had discovered seven

and David Penton had discovered seven years earlier 17 years earlier which is

years earlier 17 years earlier which is

years earlier 17 years earlier which is the the fears of mothers and so there’s

the the fears of mothers and so there’s

the the fears of mothers and so there’s an extraordinary moment in the middle of

an extraordinary moment in the middle of

an extraordinary moment in the middle of the film when it sort of breaks out of a

the film when it sort of breaks out of a

the film when it sort of breaks out of a normal feature film and is something

normal feature film and is something

normal feature film and is something approaching a documentary where she

approaching a documentary where she

approaching a documentary where she shows ordinary mothers becoming

shows ordinary mothers becoming

shows ordinary mothers becoming politically active to stop a nuclear

politically active to stop a nuclear

politically active to stop a nuclear power plant well here’s the plot twist

power plant well here’s the plot twist

power plant well here’s the plot twist just 12 days after China Syndrome comes

just 12 days after China Syndrome comes

just 12 days after China Syndrome comes out in the theaters there really is a

out in the theaters there really is a

out in the theaters there really is a nuclear power plant meltdown it’s at a

nuclear power plant meltdown it’s at a

nuclear power plant meltdown it’s at a nuclear plant called Three Mile Island

nuclear plant called Three Mile Island

nuclear plant called Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania one of the reactors

in Pennsylvania one of the reactors

in Pennsylvania one of the reactors melted and very quickly after this Jane

melted and very quickly after this Jane

melted and very quickly after this Jane Fonda and her husband Tom Hayden and

Fonda and her husband Tom Hayden and

Fonda and her husband Tom Hayden and Jerry Brown a set of other folks said

Jerry Brown a set of other folks said

Jerry Brown a set of other folks said this is a major opportunity and so they

this is a major opportunity and so they

this is a major opportunity and so they organized a series of rock concerts with

organized a series of rock concerts with

organized a series of rock concerts with just the biggest stars of the day no

just the biggest stars of the day no

just the biggest stars of the day no nukes and you can see they’re doing the

nukes and you can see they’re doing the

nukes and you can see they’re doing the same thing in this poster that David

same thing in this poster that David

same thing in this poster that David Peston and wanted to do in 1962 which is

Peston and wanted to do in 1962 which is

Peston and wanted to do in 1962 which is to tie together nuclear power plants

to tie together nuclear power plants

to tie together nuclear power plants with nuclear bombs you can see the

with nuclear bombs you can see the

with nuclear bombs you can see the mushroom cloud in the background and on

mushroom cloud in the background and on

mushroom cloud in the background and on stage at the first concert in Washington

stage at the first concert in Washington

stage at the first concert in Washington DC they actually put on stage sold a

DC they actually put on stage sold a

DC they actually put on stage sold a former soldier who had been

former soldier who had been

former soldier who had been wounded during a nuclear bomb test right

wounded during a nuclear bomb test right

wounded during a nuclear bomb test right before they put on stage a pregnant mom

before they put on stage a pregnant mom

before they put on stage a pregnant mom who was worried about the impacts of

who was worried about the impacts of

who was worried about the impacts of Three Mile Island the the film had an

Three Mile Island the the film had an

Three Mile Island the the film had an extraordinary effect on how the media

extraordinary effect on how the media

extraordinary effect on how the media covered Three Mile Island I mean the

covered Three Mile Island I mean the

covered Three Mile Island I mean the screenwriter for the film actually said

screenwriter for the film actually said

screenwriter for the film actually said that New York Daily News editor after he

that New York Daily News editor after he

that New York Daily News editor after he heard about the meltdown stood up and

heard about the meltdown stood up and

heard about the meltdown stood up and said who here has seen China Syndrome

said who here has seen China Syndrome

said who here has seen China Syndrome you you you you’re assigned to cover the

you you you you’re assigned to cover the

you you you you’re assigned to cover the meltdown the film is about what could

meltdown the film is about what could

meltdown the film is about what could have happened there’s not actually a

have happened there’s not actually a

have happened there’s not actually a meltdown and it’s the fear of a meltdown

meltdown and it’s the fear of a meltdown

meltdown and it’s the fear of a meltdown happening but here we had a full

happening but here we had a full

happening but here we had a full meltdown and it was the coverage was

meltdown and it was the coverage was

meltdown and it was the coverage was very similar it was about what could

very similar it was about what could

very similar it was about what could have happened well part of the reason

have happened well part of the reason

have happened well part of the reason for that is that really nothing did I

for that is that really nothing did I

for that is that really nothing did I mean you had a full reactor meltdown and

mean you had a full reactor meltdown and

mean you had a full reactor meltdown and there was no harmful levels of radiation

there was no harmful levels of radiation

there was no harmful levels of radiation released if you were standing near the

released if you were standing near the

released if you were standing near the plant at the time he would have gotten

plant at the time he would have gotten

plant at the time he would have gotten less radiation than you get from an

less radiation than you get from an

less radiation than you get from an x-ray the the two million people in the

x-ray the the two million people in the

x-ray the the two million people in the surrounding area got something on

surrounding area got something on

surrounding area got something on average is like a sixth of a chest x-ray

average is like a sixth of a chest x-ray

average is like a sixth of a chest x-ray so it didn’t actually have to do with

so it didn’t actually have to do with

so it didn’t actually have to do with what happened it was having to do with

what happened it was having to do with

what happened it was having to do with what we imagined and I the imaginary of

what we imagined and I the imaginary of

what we imagined and I the imaginary of the nuclear weapons was tied up with

the nuclear weapons was tied up with

the nuclear weapons was tied up with that several months later a few miles

that several months later a few miles

that several months later a few miles away from here

away from here

away from here the governor came and they spoke at the

the governor came and they spoke at the

the governor came and they spoke at the no nukes concert against Diablo Canyon

no nukes concert against Diablo Canyon

no nukes concert against Diablo Canyon he got a standing ovation for a minute

he got a standing ovation for a minute

he got a standing ovation for a minute afterwards and he led the crowd in

afterwards and he led the crowd in

afterwards and he led the crowd in chanting no on Diablo no on Diablo now

chanting no on Diablo no on Diablo now

chanting no on Diablo no on Diablo now at the time Jerry Brown and the Sierra

at the time Jerry Brown and the Sierra

at the time Jerry Brown and the Sierra Club and other anti-nuclear groups said

Club and other anti-nuclear groups said

Club and other anti-nuclear groups said that we didn’t need nuclear power

that we didn’t need nuclear power

that we didn’t need nuclear power because we could use energy efficiency

because we could use energy efficiency

because we could use energy efficiency and just reduce how much electricity we

and just reduce how much electricity we

and just reduce how much electricity we consumed and to the extent to which

consumed and to the extent to which

consumed and to the extent to which there was still some need for power we

there was still some need for power we

there was still some need for power we could meet it with solar panels and wind

could meet it with solar panels and wind

could meet it with solar panels and wind turbines that was what was happening

turbines that was what was happening

turbines that was what was happening publicly but behind the scenes something

publicly but behind the scenes something

publicly but behind the scenes something different was happening the Sierra Club

different was happening the Sierra Club

different was happening the Sierra Club and Jerry Brown were working closely

and Jerry Brown were working closely

and Jerry Brown were working closely with the coal company to build a coal

with the coal company to build a coal

with the coal company to build a coal plant the same historian went back and

plant the same historian went back and

plant the same historian went back and interviewed all the key actors at the

interviewed all the key actors at the

interviewed all the key actors at the time the governor said I want the

time the governor said I want the

time the governor said I want the Department of Water Resources to build a

Department of Water Resources to build a

Department of Water Resources to build a coal plant so we embarked on the plane

coal plant so we embarked on the plane

coal plant so we embarked on the plane of a coal plant a dreadful prospect even

of a coal plant a dreadful prospect even

of a coal plant a dreadful prospect even back in the 1950s and 60s people still

back in the 1950s and 60s people still

back in the 1950s and 60s people still understood that coal was our dirtiest

understood that coal was our dirtiest

understood that coal was our dirtiest fossil fuel

fossil fuel

fossil fuel well you can see what happens if you

well you can see what happens if you

well you can see what happens if you just total up all of the nuclear

just total up all of the nuclear

just total up all of the nuclear reactors that were gonna be built but

reactors that were gonna be built but

reactors that were gonna be built but we’re killed by Jerry Brown and and his

we’re killed by Jerry Brown and and his

we’re killed by Jerry Brown and and his allies today we would be getting 88% of

allies today we would be getting 88% of

allies today we would be getting 88% of our power from clean energy resources

our power from clean energy resources

our power from clean energy resources instead of we’re getting just 46 and you

instead of we’re getting just 46 and you

instead of we’re getting just 46 and you can see the impact on emissions they’re

can see the impact on emissions they’re

can see the impact on emissions they’re twice as high as they would have been

twice as high as they would have been

twice as high as they would have been had we built out all that nuclear Jerry

had we built out all that nuclear Jerry

had we built out all that nuclear Jerry Brown was reelected for a third term in

Brown was reelected for a third term in

Brown was reelected for a third term in office in 2010 and as soon as he came in

office in 2010 and as soon as he came in

office in 2010 and as soon as he came in he and his his allies in and outside the

he and his his allies in and outside the

he and his his allies in and outside the administration had their eyes set on

administration had their eyes set on

administration had their eyes set on closing San Onofre and on Diablo Canyon

closing San Onofre and on Diablo Canyon

closing San Onofre and on Diablo Canyon and they did that through a series of

and they did that through a series of

and they did that through a series of measures both regulatory and legislative

measures both regulatory and legislative

measures both regulatory and legislative and I mentioned before that emissions

and I mentioned before that emissions

and I mentioned before that emissions went up there the emissions declined

went up there the emissions declined

went up there the emissions declined faster before 2006 than they did after

faster before 2006 than they did after

faster before 2006 than they did after well the reason for that is the closure

well the reason for that is the closure

well the reason for that is the closure of our second-to-last nuclear power

of our second-to-last nuclear power

of our second-to-last nuclear power plant San Onofre you can see that

plant San Onofre you can see that

plant San Onofre you can see that emissions had been declining from 2000

emissions had been declining from 2000

emissions had been declining from 2000 to 2010 from 2011-2014 they went up all

to 2010 from 2011-2014 they went up all

to 2010 from 2011-2014 they went up all of this starts to challenge the idea

of this starts to challenge the idea

of this starts to challenge the idea that you don’t need nuclear power to

that you don’t need nuclear power to

that you don’t need nuclear power to reduce emissions or substitute for

reduce emissions or substitute for

reduce emissions or substitute for fossil fuels and that’s not a

fossil fuels and that’s not a

fossil fuels and that’s not a particularly new idea one of the most

particularly new idea one of the most

particularly new idea one of the most humanitarian members of the Sierra Club

humanitarian members of the Sierra Club

humanitarian members of the Sierra Club board also happened to be one of our

board also happened to be one of our

board also happened to be one of our greatest photographers at the time had

greatest photographers at the time had

greatest photographers at the time had it just right nuclear energy is the only

it just right nuclear energy is the only

it just right nuclear energy is the only practical alternative that we have to

practical alternative that we have to

practical alternative that we have to destroying the environment with oil and

destroying the environment with oil and

destroying the environment with oil and coal in 2014 I finally visited Diablo

coal in 2014 I finally visited Diablo

coal in 2014 I finally visited Diablo Canyon the misinformation campaign the

Canyon the misinformation campaign the

Canyon the misinformation campaign the fear really had worked on me when I was

fear really had worked on me when I was

fear really had worked on me when I was like 12 or 13 I still remember it’s

like 12 or 13 I still remember it’s

like 12 or 13 I still remember it’s maybe my first time ever thought about

maybe my first time ever thought about

maybe my first time ever thought about nuclear power my sister told me that

nuclear power my sister told me that

nuclear power my sister told me that they had been building a nuclear power

they had been building a nuclear power

they had been building a nuclear power plant in California near earthquake

plant in California near earthquake

plant in California near earthquake faults and I immediately thought that if

faults and I immediately thought that if

faults and I immediately thought that if there was an earthquake in California it

there was an earthquake in California it

there was an earthquake in California it would be like a nuclear bomb going off I

would be like a nuclear bomb going off I

would be like a nuclear bomb going off I didn’t believe that by the time I was at

didn’t believe that by the time I was at

didn’t believe that by the time I was at Diablo Canyon in 2014 I was and I knew

Diablo Canyon in 2014 I was and I knew

Diablo Canyon in 2014 I was and I knew that it wasn’t producing air or water

that it wasn’t producing air or water

that it wasn’t producing air or water pollution but I wasn’t prepared for just

pollution but I wasn’t prepared for just

pollution but I wasn’t prepared for just the absolutely spectacular sight that I

the absolutely spectacular sight that I

the absolutely spectacular sight that I saw that by the way actually is a

saw that by the way actually is a

saw that by the way actually is a humpback whale breaching out of the

humpback whale breaching out of the

humpback whale breaching out of the water I swear to God I didn’t Photoshop

water I swear to God I didn’t Photoshop

water I swear to God I didn’t Photoshop that in before this talk

that in before this talk

that in before this talk that plant sits on about four football

that plant sits on about four football

that plant sits on about four football fields of land an extraordinarily small

fields of land an extraordinarily small

fields of land an extraordinarily small amount of land and it produces power for

amount of land and it produces power for

amount of land and it produces power for three million californians one of the

three million californians one of the

three million californians one of the state’s top marine biologist a man at

state’s top marine biologist a man at

state’s top marine biologist a man at the University of California Santa Cruz

the University of California Santa Cruz

the University of California Santa Cruz published a report an extraordinary

published a report an extraordinary

published a report an extraordinary thing that jumped out at me he said the

thing that jumped out at me he said the

thing that jumped out at me he said the tide pools around Diablo Canyon are some

tide pools around Diablo Canyon are some

tide pools around Diablo Canyon are some of the most pristine on the west coast

of the most pristine on the west coast

of the most pristine on the west coast and the reason is really easy to

and the reason is really easy to

and the reason is really easy to understand why they don’t allow school

understand why they don’t allow school

understand why they don’t allow school bus loads of school children to go

bus loads of school children to go

bus loads of school children to go tromping around on the tide pools and

tromping around on the tide pools and

tromping around on the tide pools and touching the anemones and grabbing the

touching the anemones and grabbing the

touching the anemones and grabbing the starfish I mean don’t get me wrong I

starfish I mean don’t get me wrong I

starfish I mean don’t get me wrong I love taking my kids to the tide pools

love taking my kids to the tide pools

love taking my kids to the tide pools but they cause more damage to them than

but they cause more damage to them than

but they cause more damage to them than a nuclear power plant after seeing this

a nuclear power plant after seeing this

a nuclear power plant after seeing this I felt like it wouldn’t be fair for this

I felt like it wouldn’t be fair for this

I felt like it wouldn’t be fair for this just to be my only to just see one of

just to be my only to just see one of

just to be my only to just see one of what I think is one of the great nuclear

what I think is one of the great nuclear

what I think is one of the great nuclear power plants in the world I needed to

power plants in the world I needed to

power plants in the world I needed to also see one of the worst and so I

also see one of the worst and so I

also see one of the worst and so I decided to go to Fukushima and I

decided to go to Fukushima and I

decided to go to Fukushima and I interviewed everybody that I could and

interviewed everybody that I could and

interviewed everybody that I could and one of the people that was the most

one of the people that was the most

one of the people that was the most critical is a guy who has spent a lot of

critical is a guy who has spent a lot of

critical is a guy who has spent a lot of his career in vet investigating nuclear

his career in vet investigating nuclear

his career in vet investigating nuclear power plants in Japan sort of a

power plants in Japan sort of a

power plants in Japan sort of a probability risk Assessor and he sort of

probability risk Assessor and he sort of

probability risk Assessor and he sort of hated everything it’s why I loved him

hated everything it’s why I loved him

hated everything it’s why I loved him and he he wrote the most scathing

and he he wrote the most scathing

and he he wrote the most scathing article report about Fukushima and so of

article report about Fukushima and so of

article report about Fukushima and so of course I want to spend time with them

course I want to spend time with them

course I want to spend time with them and I had a little bit of trepidation

and I had a little bit of trepidation

and I had a little bit of trepidation when we were drinking beers and I asked

when we were drinking beers and I asked

when we were drinking beers and I asked him you know what did he think of Diablo

him you know what did he think of Diablo

him you know what did he think of Diablo Canyon I mean everyone’s worried that

Canyon I mean everyone’s worried that

Canyon I mean everyone’s worried that it’ll be something like Fukushima over

it’ll be something like Fukushima over

it’ll be something like Fukushima over there and he just without missing a beat

there and he just without missing a beat

there and he just without missing a beat he just goes that’s a great plant and I

he just goes that’s a great plant and I

he just goes that’s a great plant and I said why do you say that and he goes

said why do you say that and he goes

said why do you say that and he goes because the people there care and it

because the people there care and it

because the people there care and it just struck me that it didn’t have

just struck me that it didn’t have

just struck me that it didn’t have anything to do with like the kind of

anything to do with like the kind of

anything to do with like the kind of machinery or where it was located it was

machinery or where it was located it was

machinery or where it was located it was about the people and it was about the

about the people and it was about the

about the people and it was about the culture and I started to wonder you know

culture and I started to wonder you know

culture and I started to wonder you know is this something that we could actually

is this something that we could actually

is this something that we could actually tell people that people would start to

tell people that people would start to

tell people that people would start to understand

understand

understand Diablo Canyon is now supposed to be

Diablo Canyon is now supposed to be

Diablo Canyon is now supposed to be closed by 2024 2025 I’ve been traveling

closed by 2024 2025 I’ve been traveling

closed by 2024 2025 I’ve been traveling around the country for the last ten

around the country for the last ten

around the country for the last ten months raising awareness that the fact

months raising awareness that the fact

months raising awareness that the fact that we could actually end up losing

that we could actually end up losing

that we could actually end up losing half of our nuclear power before 2030 if

half of our nuclear power before 2030 if

half of our nuclear power before 2030 if that happens then half of the emissions

that happens then half of the emissions

that happens then half of the emissions reductions that were supposed to get

reductions that were supposed to get

reductions that were supposed to get from the EPA’s clean power plan won’t

from the EPA’s clean power plan won’t

from the EPA’s clean power plan won’t happen

happen

happen that’s not to mention the asthma and the

that’s not to mention the asthma and the

that’s not to mention the asthma and the premature death from just the regular

premature death from just the regular

premature death from just the regular pollution so I’ve been working with the

pollution so I’ve been working with the

pollution so I’ve been working with the climate scientist James Hansen here we

climate scientist James Hansen here we

climate scientist James Hansen here we are in Illinois visiting a couple

are in Illinois visiting a couple

are in Illinois visiting a couple planets that could be closed and we were

planets that could be closed and we were

planets that could be closed and we were is very nice The Wall Street Journal

is very nice The Wall Street Journal

is very nice The Wall Street Journal into the writing a story about our visit

into the writing a story about our visit

into the writing a story about our visit and then that night we got a little

and then that night we got a little

and then that night we got a little boast a little boost of support from

boast a little boost of support from

boast a little boost of support from another really famous Hollywood actor

another really famous Hollywood actor

another really famous Hollywood actor Robert Downey jr. he said it’s like half

Robert Downey jr. he said it’s like half

Robert Downey jr. he said it’s like half the people who were saying no nukes are

the people who were saying no nukes are

the people who were saying no nukes are now realizing nuclear’s the best way to

now realizing nuclear’s the best way to

now realizing nuclear’s the best way to go for energy for the future I think

go for energy for the future I think

go for energy for the future I think it’s natural to reexamine your beliefs

it’s natural to reexamine your beliefs

it’s natural to reexamine your beliefs as you age up and I thought back when he

as you age up and I thought back when he

as you age up and I thought back when he said this to my own experience I mean

said this to my own experience I mean

said this to my own experience I mean you have to have a reason to rethink

you have to have a reason to rethink

you have to have a reason to rethink your beliefs mine was I was concerned

your beliefs mine was I was concerned

your beliefs mine was I was concerned about climate change and I couldn’t

about climate change and I couldn’t

about climate change and I couldn’t figure out how you double or triple or

figure out how you double or triple or

figure out how you double or triple or even quadruple global electricity

even quadruple global electricity

even quadruple global electricity production so that everybody can lift be

production so that everybody can lift be

production so that everybody can lift be lifted out of poverty while still

lifted out of poverty while still

lifted out of poverty while still reducing our emissions for climate

reducing our emissions for climate

reducing our emissions for climate change and I started to wonder is this

change and I started to wonder is this

change and I started to wonder is this how nuclear fear ends as we start to

how nuclear fear ends as we start to

how nuclear fear ends as we start to care and as we start to age up in the

care and as we start to age up in the

care and as we start to age up in the process of trying to save Diablo I met

process of trying to save Diablo I met

process of trying to save Diablo I met two really amazing women

two really amazing women

two really amazing women Heather Madison and Kristen’s aides they

Heather Madison and Kristen’s aides they

Heather Madison and Kristen’s aides they reached out to me and they said how can

reached out to me and they said how can

reached out to me and they said how can we help and I asked them well what do

we help and I asked them well what do

we help and I asked them well what do you want to do and they said we want to

you want to do and they said we want to

you want to do and they said we want to talk to Sierra Club members and parents

talk to Sierra Club members and parents

talk to Sierra Club members and parents who also are concerned about the same

who also are concerned about the same

who also are concerned about the same things we are about pollution and their

things we are about pollution and their

things we are about pollution and their kids and so they started something

kids and so they started something

kids and so they started something called mothers for nuclear and the focus

called mothers for nuclear and the focus

called mothers for nuclear and the focus has really been both on climate change

has really been both on climate change

has really been both on climate change but also on just the ordinary air

but also on just the ordinary air

but also on just the ordinary air pollution impacts of nuclear power and

pollution impacts of nuclear power and

pollution impacts of nuclear power and you know as you’ve reflected on it some

you know as you’ve reflected on it some

you know as you’ve reflected on it some more well I don’t think it’s ever

more well I don’t think it’s ever

more well I don’t think it’s ever justified what they did when they tried

justified what they did when they tried

justified what they did when they tried to link nuclear power to nuclear weapons

to link nuclear power to nuclear weapons

to link nuclear power to nuclear weapons I think it’s understandable that in the

I think it’s understandable that in the

I think it’s understandable that in the 9th in the 1960s the 1970s people had

9th in the 1960s the 1970s people had

9th in the 1960s the 1970s people had some concerns about this totally new

some concerns about this totally new

some concerns about this totally new source of electricity I mean we didn’t

source of electricity I mean we didn’t

source of electricity I mean we didn’t have a lot of information about what

have a lot of information about what

have a lot of information about what would happen and there were some reasons

would happen and there were some reasons

would happen and there were some reasons to be fearful of it but today we have

to be fearful of it but today we have

to be fearful of it but today we have over 50 years of data that all show the

over 50 years of data that all show the

over 50 years of data that all show the same thing nuclear is the safest way to

same thing nuclear is the safest way to

same thing nuclear is the safest way to make reliable power this is just the

make reliable power this is just the

make reliable power this is just the most recent study from the British

most recent study from the British

most recent study from the British Medical Journal Lancet and you can see

Medical Journal Lancet and you can see

Medical Journal Lancet and you can see that most of the deaths are actually

that most of the deaths are actually

that most of the deaths are actually from air pollution and that’s why

from air pollution and that’s why

from air pollution and that’s why nuclear is the safest even when you look

nuclear is the safest even when you look

nuclear is the safest even when you look at the accidents we see that the axe

at the accidents we see that the axe

at the accidents we see that the axe since result in fewer deaths from

since result in fewer deaths from

since result in fewer deaths from nuclear than it does for these other

nuclear than it does for these other

nuclear than it does for these other energy sources and if you just take just

energy sources and if you just take just

energy sources and if you just take just a rough estimate of the using The Lancet

a rough estimate of the using The Lancet

a rough estimate of the using The Lancet numbers to look at Diablo Kane what you

numbers to look at Diablo Kane what you

numbers to look at Diablo Kane what you find is that if Diablo was closed early

find is that if Diablo was closed early

find is that if Diablo was closed early it could result in over 5,000 premature

it could result in over 5,000 premature

it could result in over 5,000 premature deaths and reflect on that for a moment

deaths and reflect on that for a moment

deaths and reflect on that for a moment that our fears of this way of making

that our fears of this way of making

that our fears of this way of making electricity are actually putting us at

electricity are actually putting us at

electricity are actually putting us at risk they’re putting our children at

risk they’re putting our children at

risk they’re putting our children at risk and the people that are the most

risk and the people that are the most

risk and the people that are the most affected or poorer communities that live

affected or poorer communities that live

affected or poorer communities that live near fossil fuel generators so after

near fossil fuel generators so after

near fossil fuel generators so after mother’s for nuclear had this big impact

mother’s for nuclear had this big impact

mother’s for nuclear had this big impact on NPR news and listened to around the

on NPR news and listened to around the

on NPR news and listened to around the world I started to wonder maybe it’ll be

world I started to wonder maybe it’ll be

world I started to wonder maybe it’ll be that nuclear fear ends the same way that

that nuclear fear ends the same way that

that nuclear fear ends the same way that it begins with the concern of mothers

it begins with the concern of mothers

it begins with the concern of mothers for their children at the end of June

for their children at the end of June

for their children at the end of June mothers for nuclear and my organization

mothers for nuclear and my organization

mothers for nuclear and my organization environmental progress we decided to

environmental progress we decided to

environmental progress we decided to have a march to speak out and defend

have a march to speak out and defend

have a march to speak out and defend nuclear power in general and Diablo

nuclear power in general and Diablo

nuclear power in general and Diablo Canyon in particular and so we march

Canyon in particular and so we march

Canyon in particular and so we march through the streets of San Francisco

through the streets of San Francisco

through the streets of San Francisco there’s about a hundred of us it was one

there’s about a hundred of us it was one

there’s about a hundred of us it was one of the most joyful experiences of my

of the most joyful experiences of my

of the most joyful experiences of my life we were singing and chanting I

life we were singing and chanting I

life we were singing and chanting I couldn’t believe there were that many

couldn’t believe there were that many

couldn’t believe there were that many people that agreed with us there was a

people that agreed with us there was a

people that agreed with us there was a friend of mine Gwyneth Cravens who wrote

friend of mine Gwyneth Cravens who wrote

friend of mine Gwyneth Cravens who wrote a beautiful book about nuclear power

a beautiful book about nuclear power

a beautiful book about nuclear power about ten years ago is also a pretty

about ten years ago is also a pretty

about ten years ago is also a pretty famous novelist writes for The New

famous novelist writes for The New

famous novelist writes for The New Yorker she agreed to do civil

Yorker she agreed to do civil

Yorker she agreed to do civil disobedience with me and so we sat in at

disobedience with me and so we sat in at

disobedience with me and so we sat in at Greenpeace Sierra Club and NRDC and when

Greenpeace Sierra Club and NRDC and when

Greenpeace Sierra Club and NRDC and when we were sitting there a bunch of

we were sitting there a bunch of

we were sitting there a bunch of students from UC Berkeley of course

sort of spontaneously decided to sit

sort of spontaneously decided to sit with us and then and then once the

with us and then and then once the

with us and then and then once the students sat down of course everybody

students sat down of course everybody

students sat down of course everybody else wanted to sit down l flashed in the

else wanted to sit down l flashed in the

else wanted to sit down l flashed in the V sign I thought to myself is this how

V sign I thought to myself is this how

V sign I thought to myself is this how nuclear fear ends where the students

nuclear fear ends where the students

nuclear fear ends where the students come first and then everybody else

come first and then everybody else

come first and then everybody else follows

follows

follows there was a very sweet moment at the end

there was a very sweet moment at the end

there was a very sweet moment at the end where two of my friends from Australia

where two of my friends from Australia

where two of my friends from Australia who are just beautiful people and we had

who are just beautiful people and we had

who are just beautiful people and we had just been up swimming in the river with

just been up swimming in the river with

just been up swimming in the river with their kids their daughter just ran out

their kids their daughter just ran out

their kids their daughter just ran out of the crowd into my lap that’s Addie

of the crowd into my lap that’s Addie

of the crowd into my lap that’s Addie right there five years old she wanted to

right there five years old she wanted to

right there five years old she wanted to be a part of the singing she wanted to

be a part of the singing she wanted to

be a part of the singing she wanted to be a part of the joy of it and I have

be a part of the joy of it and I have

be a part of the joy of it and I have such mixed emotions about it still there

such mixed emotions about it still there

such mixed emotions about it still there was a time when everybody was sort of

was a time when everybody was sort of

was a time when everybody was sort of staring at us and there was this crowd

staring at us and there was this crowd

staring at us and there was this crowd and people were both smiling and I was

and people were both smiling and I was

and people were both smiling and I was happy but I looked up and and there was

happy but I looked up and and there was

happy but I looked up and and there was Heather just on the edge of the crowd

Heather just on the edge of the crowd

Heather just on the edge of the crowd and she was smiling too but her eyes

and she was smiling too but her eyes

and she was smiling too but her eyes were wide and they were red and they

were wide and they were red and they

were wide and they were red and they were starting to fill with water and I

were starting to fill with water and I

were starting to fill with water and I just struck to me right then that we’re

just struck to me right then that we’re

just struck to me right then that we’re gonna overcome these irrational fears by

gonna overcome these irrational fears by

gonna overcome these irrational fears by tapping into an invisible force that’s

tapping into an invisible force that’s

tapping into an invisible force that’s more powerful than fear and that’s love

more powerful than fear and that’s love

more powerful than fear and that’s love thank you very much

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