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The Power of Microsurfaces | Ralph Hulseman | TEDxGreenvilleSalon


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[Music] so the idea i’m going to talk about is

so the idea i’m going to talk about is

so the idea i’m going to talk about is the idea that friction can be designed

the idea that friction can be designed

the idea that friction can be designed so friction is either things slide

so friction is either things slide

so friction is either things slide easily or they’re really grippy so we’re

easily or they’re really grippy so we’re

easily or they’re really grippy so we’re not talking sticky not not vertical butt

not talking sticky not not vertical butt

not talking sticky not not vertical butt slide so how many of you go the airport

slide so how many of you go the airport

slide so how many of you go the airport and your briefcase slides off your

and your briefcase slides off your

and your briefcase slides off your shoulder and you gripe button well mine

shoulder and you gripe button well mine

shoulder and you gripe button well mine doesn’t and so this has a surface and

doesn’t and so this has a surface and

doesn’t and so this has a surface and you can come try later where it has

you can come try later where it has

you can come try later where it has extreme grip to fabric but not so much a

extreme grip to fabric but not so much a

extreme grip to fabric but not so much a little tear it’s just simple example I

little tear it’s just simple example I

little tear it’s just simple example I got more toys in here we can we can talk

got more toys in here we can we can talk

got more toys in here we can we can talk about talk about later the picture you

about talk about later the picture you

about talk about later the picture you see here is it was taking up at

see here is it was taking up at

see here is it was taking up at Asheville it’s um in a pond up there and

Asheville it’s um in a pond up there and

Asheville it’s um in a pond up there and full of lotus leaves and covered with

full of lotus leaves and covered with

full of lotus leaves and covered with little water droplets and the day I was

little water droplets and the day I was

little water droplets and the day I was up there took this picture it was a bit

up there took this picture it was a bit

up there took this picture it was a bit windy the leaves were shaking back and

windy the leaves were shaking back and

windy the leaves were shaking back and forth and the drops are perfectly still

forth and the drops are perfectly still

forth and the drops are perfectly still they were just rolling back and forth

they were just rolling back and forth

they were just rolling back and forth and so so little friction between that

and so so little friction between that

and so so little friction between that leaf in that water droplet they could

leaf in that water droplet they could

leaf in that water droplet they could just rock back and forth so being the

just rock back and forth so being the

just rock back and forth so being the nerd I am it’s one of the curiosities

nerd I am it’s one of the curiosities

nerd I am it’s one of the curiosities we’ve studied but that and many other

we’ve studied but that and many other

we’ve studied but that and many other experiences basically 26 years of

experiences basically 26 years of

experiences basically 26 years of Michelin working on tires let us to

Michelin working on tires let us to

Michelin working on tires let us to consider more about can you design

consider more about can you design

consider more about can you design friction first just you know this is a

friction first just you know this is a

friction first just you know this is a nerd part of it a little bit what it

nerd part of it a little bit what it

nerd part of it a little bit what it what is friction so if you have a load

what is friction so if you have a load

what is friction so if you have a load pulling down I guess this is a yeah if

pulling down I guess this is a yeah if

pulling down I guess this is a yeah if you get a load pushing down and you’re

you get a load pushing down and you’re

you get a load pushing down and you’re pulling something sideways on some kind

pulling something sideways on some kind

pulling something sideways on some kind of surface so the the pull force

of surface so the the pull force

of surface so the the pull force relative to load force is what’s called

relative to load force is what’s called

relative to load force is what’s called the friction and something people are

the friction and something people are

the friction and something people are taught in university is that the force

taught in university is that the force

taught in university is that the force to pull sideways directly proportional

to pull sideways directly proportional

to pull sideways directly proportional to load so if you load more it’s harder

to load so if you load more it’s harder

to load so if you load more it’s harder to pull and that’s just just you push

to pull and that’s just just you push

to pull and that’s just just you push harder than it those are and second

harder than it those are and second

harder than it those are and second thing kind of curious is independent of

thing kind of curious is independent of

thing kind of curious is independent of how big that object is so how much

how big that object is so how much

how big that object is so how much surface there is pushing down so whether

surface there is pushing down so whether

surface there is pushing down so whether it’s bigger or smaller that same

it’s bigger or smaller that same

it’s bigger or smaller that same relationship holds and then let’s imply

relationship holds and then let’s imply

relationship holds and then let’s imply then there is friction as a property

then there is friction as a property

then there is friction as a property materials so you think of things as

materials so you think of things as

materials so you think of things as sticky you think of things of slippery

sticky you think of things of slippery

sticky you think of things of slippery so my team is working very heavily on

so my team is working very heavily on

so my team is working very heavily on that none of this is true and so first

that none of this is true and so first

that none of this is true and so first maybe a little bit why is that why was

maybe a little bit why is that why was

maybe a little bit why is that why was that true well if you look at things in

that true well if you look at things in

that true well if you look at things in nature they tend to be like these

nature they tend to be like these

nature they tend to be like these particles of sand this is glacial wash

particles of sand this is glacial wash

particles of sand this is glacial wash sand where the edges are rounded there’s

sand where the edges are rounded there’s

sand where the edges are rounded there’s little bitty protrusions but they’re

little bitty protrusions but they’re

little bitty protrusions but they’re kind of shallow they barely poke out so

kind of shallow they barely poke out so

kind of shallow they barely poke out so most materials as they wear and crumble

most materials as they wear and crumble

most materials as they wear and crumble they have shapes like this and as you

they have shapes like this and as you

they have shapes like this and as you push harder the little Peaks push into

push harder the little Peaks push into

push harder the little Peaks push into the surface a little more and that’s

the surface a little more and that’s

the surface a little more and that’s about roughly constant Airy increases

about roughly constant Airy increases

about roughly constant Airy increases you push harder and so the friction is

you push harder and so the friction is

you push harder and so the friction is about the same well you know there’s one

about the same well you know there’s one

about the same well you know there’s one big exception of natural surfaces that

big exception of natural surfaces that

big exception of natural surfaces that don’t look like that anybody got an idea

don’t look like that anybody got an idea

don’t look like that anybody got an idea there what’s the what’s the biggest ash

there what’s the what’s the biggest ash

there what’s the what’s the biggest ash things don’t look like that living

things don’t look like that living

things don’t look like that living things yeah like a living things they’re

things yeah like a living things they’re

things yeah like a living things they’re round like that some of us surrounded

round like that some of us surrounded

round like that some of us surrounded like that but you know if you think of

like that but you know if you think of

like that but you know if you think of things like the feet of a mountain goat

things like the feet of a mountain goat

things like the feet of a mountain goat extremely sticky too wet Rock you may be

extremely sticky too wet Rock you may be

extremely sticky too wet Rock you may be seen articles on geckos the lizards that

seen articles on geckos the lizards that

seen articles on geckos the lizards that can walk up walls hang on glass and so

can walk up walls hang on glass and so

can walk up walls hang on glass and so on there’s things like pitcher plants

on there’s things like pitcher plants

on there’s things like pitcher plants that are have a super slippery layer

that are have a super slippery layer

that are have a super slippery layer that they’re so slippery that bugs can’t

that they’re so slippery that bugs can’t

that they’re so slippery that bugs can’t stick to them so they try and land and

stick to them so they try and land and

stick to them so they try and land and they slide inside so now what’s

they slide inside so now what’s

they slide inside so now what’s interesting is all of those are made out

interesting is all of those are made out

interesting is all of those are made out of very similar material so keratin is a

of very similar material so keratin is a

of very similar material so keratin is a common biological protein structure

common biological protein structure

common biological protein structure that’s used in everything from your hair

that’s used in everything from your hair

that’s used in everything from your hair your fingernails and so on and nature

your fingernails and so on and nature

your fingernails and so on and nature manipulate that everywhere from very

manipulate that everywhere from very

manipulate that everywhere from very slippery to very grippy so we began

slippery to very grippy so we began

slippery to very grippy so we began thinking well can you design this can we

thinking well can you design this can we

thinking well can you design this can we figure out the fundamental rules and can

figure out the fundamental rules and can

figure out the fundamental rules and can we make things super slippery or super

we make things super slippery or super

we make things super slippery or super grippy

grippy

grippy now as an aside one of things I first

now as an aside one of things I first

now as an aside one of things I first noticed was being really ambitious and

noticed was being really ambitious and

noticed was being really ambitious and really nerdy folks at Michelin had a

really nerdy folks at Michelin had a

really nerdy folks at Michelin had a colleague that rented a gecko at one

colleague that rented a gecko at one

colleague that rented a gecko at one time and brought it in and we’re

time and brought it in and we’re

time and brought it in and we’re watching crawl around in glass and so on

watching crawl around in glass and so on

watching crawl around in glass and so on and some of us were holding it in what

and some of us were holding it in what

and some of us were holding it in what shocked me is that it’s not very grippy

shocked me is that it’s not very grippy

shocked me is that it’s not very grippy to your skin so it’s not at all sticky

to your skin so it’s not at all sticky

to your skin so it’s not at all sticky and it’s not really sick and I’m not

and it’s not really sick and I’m not

and it’s not really sick and I’m not sure a gecko could really hang very well

sure a gecko could really hang very well

sure a gecko could really hang very well just hang you on your skin without

just hang you on your skin without

just hang you on your skin without without digging in so you know kind of

without digging in so you know kind of

without digging in so you know kind of leads to the question of why can the

leads to the question of why can the

leads to the question of why can the gecko stick to wet rock or smooth glass

gecko stick to wet rock or smooth glass

gecko stick to wet rock or smooth glass and why not very well to your skin

and why not very well to your skin

and why not very well to your skin what’s what’s going on there ok so what

what’s what’s going on there ok so what

what’s what’s going on there ok so what you’re looking at here is pillars that

you’re looking at here is pillars that

you’re looking at here is pillars that are about four times as high as broad in

are about four times as high as broad in

are about four times as high as broad in their widely spaced and they’re covering

their widely spaced and they’re covering

their widely spaced and they’re covering this fabric surface it’s in fact it’s in

this fabric surface it’s in fact it’s in

this fabric surface it’s in fact it’s in my briefcase here and so if you design

my briefcase here and so if you design

my briefcase here and so if you design surfaces are very non round what happens

surfaces are very non round what happens

surfaces are very non round what happens and look what can you what what was

and look what can you what what was

and look what can you what what was going to be a result there so we’ve been

going to be a result there so we’ve been

going to be a result there so we’ve been studying grip to skin so I mentioned

studying grip to skin so I mentioned

studying grip to skin so I mentioned skin is very very interesting and that

skin is very very interesting and that

skin is very very interesting and that you know first thing is you don’t wanna

you know first thing is you don’t wanna

you know first thing is you don’t wanna hurt people it’s you know it’s it’s kind

hurt people it’s you know it’s it’s kind

hurt people it’s you know it’s it’s kind of so-so how many of you hurt yourself

of so-so how many of you hurt yourself

of so-so how many of you hurt yourself when you open your bottle of olive oil

when you open your bottle of olive oil

when you open your bottle of olive oil if you look at that cap you’ll notice he

if you look at that cap you’ll notice he

if you look at that cap you’ll notice he has really tall ridges and you have a

has really tall ridges and you have a

has really tall ridges and you have a choice particulars oil on it is how

choice particulars oil on it is how

choice particulars oil on it is how badly do you hurt yourself before you go

badly do you hurt yourself before you go

badly do you hurt yourself before you go get your spouse or parent liars or

get your spouse or parent liars or

get your spouse or parent liars or whatever whatever you have handy so so

whatever whatever you have handy so so

whatever whatever you have handy so so you know often you see the case when you

you know often you see the case when you

you know often you see the case when you have pretty good grip to dry surfaces

have pretty good grip to dry surfaces

have pretty good grip to dry surfaces you don’t really notice it but usually

you don’t really notice it but usually

you don’t really notice it but usually when something is soapy oily maybe it’s

when something is soapy oily maybe it’s

when something is soapy oily maybe it’s in surgery and it’s bloody or so on it

in surgery and it’s bloody or so on it

in surgery and it’s bloody or so on it gets really slippery and so on you know

gets really slippery and so on you know

gets really slippery and so on you know kind of a measurement this is a little

kind of a measurement this is a little

kind of a measurement this is a little pull test we do or we have people grip

pull test we do or we have people grip

pull test we do or we have people grip between their fingers and how hard can

between their fingers and how hard can

between their fingers and how hard can you pull it and then you watch little

you pull it and then you watch little

you pull it and then you watch little needle go around and so with this

needle go around and so with this

needle go around and so with this particular

particular

particular polypropylene plastic that’s found on

polypropylene plastic that’s found on

polypropylene plastic that’s found on typically like labels like you know

typically like labels like you know

typically like labels like you know here’s an example you have a dish soap

here’s an example you have a dish soap

here’s an example you have a dish soap you know feels pretty good you can grip

you know feels pretty good you can grip

you know feels pretty good you can grip it you can squeeze it and so on you get

it you can squeeze it and so on you get

it you can squeeze it and so on you get this covered with a product and it’s

this covered with a product and it’s

this covered with a product and it’s hard to squeeze let alone get to get the

hard to squeeze let alone get to get the

hard to squeeze let alone get to get the top off so in that label on here is made

top off so in that label on here is made

top off so in that label on here is made out of polypropylene so in this case

out of polypropylene so in this case

out of polypropylene so in this case when it was dry we could pull about 78

when it was dry we could pull about 78

when it was dry we could pull about 78 pounds force yanking on the tab that

pounds force yanking on the tab that

pounds force yanking on the tab that material and when you get the Don liquid

material and when you get the Don liquid

material and when you get the Don liquid on there with water you can barely give

on there with water you can barely give

on there with water you can barely give it to move at all and I have a demo of

it to move at all and I have a demo of

it to move at all and I have a demo of that if if people are curious later on

that if if people are curious later on

that if if people are curious later on the other hand what we’ve been able to

the other hand what we’ve been able to

the other hand what we’ve been able to do is to take that same piece of

do is to take that same piece of

do is to take that same piece of polypropylene and make it when it’s dry

polypropylene and make it when it’s dry

polypropylene and make it when it’s dry so you can pull harder than the current

so you can pull harder than the current

so you can pull harder than the current label now and when it’s covered with

label now and when it’s covered with

label now and when it’s covered with soapy and so on you can also pull

soapy and so on you can also pull

soapy and so on you can also pull equally as hard now what’s what’s

equally as hard now what’s what’s

equally as hard now what’s what’s curious about it when you pull on it

curious about it when you pull on it

curious about it when you pull on it when it’s so P or oily you know your

when it’s so P or oily you know your

when it’s so P or oily you know your fingers are oily they’re gooey they’re

fingers are oily they’re gooey they’re

fingers are oily they’re gooey they’re slippery then you grab this thing and

slippery then you grab this thing and

slippery then you grab this thing and yank it and in your mind it’s like

yank it and in your mind it’s like

yank it and in your mind it’s like incredible it feels like you’re pulling

incredible it feels like you’re pulling

incredible it feels like you’re pulling a lot more than dry but in fact we

a lot more than dry but in fact we

a lot more than dry but in fact we measure the force it turns out to be the

measure the force it turns out to be the

measure the force it turns out to be the same same amount so we’re working on

same same amount so we’re working on

same same amount so we’re working on these surfaces with very high grip to

these surfaces with very high grip to

these surfaces with very high grip to skin and you might say well you know why

skin and you might say well you know why

skin and you might say well you know why is this important okay now i know this

is this important okay now i know this

is this important okay now i know this crowd everybody says football football

crowd everybody says football football

crowd everybody says football football we’re gonna put these on a football so

we’re gonna put these on a football so

we’re gonna put these on a football so he can catch it and throw it well yeah

he can catch it and throw it well yeah

he can catch it and throw it well yeah that’s kind of interesting but what

that’s kind of interesting but what

that’s kind of interesting but what about if you’re a first responder and

about if you’re a first responder and

about if you’re a first responder and and you want to grab somebody you don’t

and you want to grab somebody you don’t

and you want to grab somebody you don’t want to hurt them you know maybe that

want to hurt them you know maybe that

want to hurt them you know maybe that might be a little more interesting some

might be a little more interesting some

might be a little more interesting some Clemson students told me other day that

Clemson students told me other day that

Clemson students told me other day that there’s there’s three to four thousand

there’s there’s three to four thousand

there’s there’s three to four thousand babies drop during delivery every year

babies drop during delivery every year

babies drop during delivery every year yeah so surgeons have to wear rubber

yeah so surgeons have to wear rubber

yeah so surgeons have to wear rubber gloves these days those gloves are

gloves these days those gloves are

gloves these days those gloves are really slippery now once then get the

really slippery now once then get the

really slippery now once then get the towel around the baby you know then you

towel around the baby you know then you

towel around the baby you know then you can grab it but between the delivery and

can grab it but between the delivery and

can grab it but between the delivery and the towel there’s there’s apparently

the towel there’s there’s apparently

the towel there’s there’s apparently space where where

space where where

space where where there are certain number of babies

there are certain number of babies

there are certain number of babies dropped over a year so mayhap becomes a

dropped over a year so mayhap becomes a

dropped over a year so mayhap becomes a little more interesting to be able to

little more interesting to be able to

little more interesting to be able to grab continuing along that people have

grab continuing along that people have

grab continuing along that people have implants like stents stents do what they

implants like stents stents do what they

implants like stents stents do what they call my great as they move out of place

call my great as they move out of place

call my great as they move out of place now if a stents inside your body many

now if a stents inside your body many

now if a stents inside your body many times like like we’re going right now on

times like like we’re going right now on

times like like we’re going right now on esophageal stents and there you’re

esophageal stents and there you’re

esophageal stents and there you’re swallowing motion is so strong that you

swallowing motion is so strong that you

swallowing motion is so strong that you can’t surgically suture it down or it’ll

can’t surgically suture it down or it’ll

can’t surgically suture it down or it’ll tear the stitches out some patients have

tear the stitches out some patients have

tear the stitches out some patients have a three hundred percent failure rate

a three hundred percent failure rate

a three hundred percent failure rate with those stems in Wrath that’s the

with those stems in Wrath that’s the

with those stems in Wrath that’s the colleague in Mecca what does that mean

colleague in Mecca what does that mean

colleague in Mecca what does that mean they said means we fish it out of their

they said means we fish it out of their

they said means we fish it out of their stomach three times before they heal or

stomach three times before they heal or

stomach three times before they heal or before they die and so huge costs so if

before they die and so huge costs so if

before they die and so huge costs so if you can grip in the throat and hold that

you can grip in the throat and hold that

you can grip in the throat and hold that stint in place without being painful

stint in place without being painful

stint in place without being painful without piercing the tissue without

without piercing the tissue without

without piercing the tissue without causing damage that sounds like a pretty

causing damage that sounds like a pretty

causing damage that sounds like a pretty interesting thing to do so that’s the

interesting thing to do so that’s the

interesting thing to do so that’s the kind of things we we work on what the

kind of things we we work on what the

kind of things we we work on what the characteristics of these surfaces is

characteristics of these surfaces is

characteristics of these surfaces is they’re invisible to the eye so the

they’re invisible to the eye so the

they’re invisible to the eye so the plastic looks the same maybe a little

plastic looks the same maybe a little

plastic looks the same maybe a little more matte instead of shiny it’s

more matte instead of shiny it’s

more matte instead of shiny it’s painless so no matter how hard you

painless so no matter how hard you

painless so no matter how hard you squeeze it doesn’t hurt so you know you

squeeze it doesn’t hurt so you know you

squeeze it doesn’t hurt so you know you can say well you can use sandpaper use

can say well you can use sandpaper use

can say well you can use sandpaper use safety walk you know I mentioned the lid

safety walk you know I mentioned the lid

safety walk you know I mentioned the lid on the olive oil you know there are

on the olive oil you know there are

on the olive oil you know there are things where to try and increase grip

things where to try and increase grip

things where to try and increase grip force it really hurts and in fact people

force it really hurts and in fact people

force it really hurts and in fact people stopped because of the pain before they

stopped because of the pain before they

stopped because of the pain before they can really get to the maximum amount

can really get to the maximum amount

can really get to the maximum amount amount of force there so in these

amount of force there so in these

amount of force there so in these services again sorry the phone is here

services again sorry the phone is here

services again sorry the phone is here you can’t see it they look like pillars

you can’t see it they look like pillars

you can’t see it they look like pillars on pillars and and so on so small

on pillars and and so on so small

on pillars and and so on so small contact area but designed according to

contact area but designed according to

contact area but designed according to features your skin an interesting thing

features your skin an interesting thing

features your skin an interesting thing about your skin is that the nerves are

about your skin is that the nerves are

about your skin is that the nerves are about a tenth of a millimeter 100

about a tenth of a millimeter 100

about a tenth of a millimeter 100 microns in so if you penetrate less than

microns in so if you penetrate less than

microns in so if you penetrate less than that there’s no pain so the

that there’s no pain so the

that there’s no pain so the only defect we’ve seen with this is when

only defect we’ve seen with this is when

only defect we’ve seen with this is when we play with them a lot our iPhone

we play with them a lot our iPhone

we play with them a lot our iPhone sensors don’t work that so so that may

sensors don’t work that so so that may

sensors don’t work that so so that may be kind of conclude here is we we design

be kind of conclude here is we we design

be kind of conclude here is we we design friction make things super slippery

friction make things super slippery

friction make things super slippery we’re super grippy I talked a lot about

we’re super grippy I talked a lot about

we’re super grippy I talked a lot about grippy tonight not so much on slippery

grippy tonight not so much on slippery

grippy tonight not so much on slippery example on slippery is we make ordinary

example on slippery is we make ordinary

example on slippery is we make ordinary plastics lower friction and Teflon so an

plastics lower friction and Teflon so an

plastics lower friction and Teflon so an interesting application of that is

interesting application of that is

interesting application of that is vascular catheters so these are the long

vascular catheters so these are the long

vascular catheters so these are the long tubes through your body to apply stands

tubes through your body to apply stands

tubes through your body to apply stands they’re all Teflon lined and that Teflon

they’re all Teflon lined and that Teflon

they’re all Teflon lined and that Teflon is a major expense as well as it means

is a major expense as well as it means

is a major expense as well as it means they’re not recyclable and so on so we

they’re not recyclable and so on so we

they’re not recyclable and so on so we work on on that as an example of low

work on on that as an example of low

work on on that as an example of low friction so I mentioned that PTFE teflon

friction so I mentioned that PTFE teflon

friction so I mentioned that PTFE teflon internal organs and we talked a little

internal organs and we talked a little

internal organs and we talked a little bit about anchoring stents in your body

bit about anchoring stents in your body

bit about anchoring stents in your body think about during laparoscopic surgery

think about during laparoscopic surgery

think about during laparoscopic surgery so laparoscopic surgery you have very

so laparoscopic surgery you have very

so laparoscopic surgery you have very tiny grip grips going through a very

tiny grip grips going through a very

tiny grip grips going through a very tiny opening and you want to hold and

tiny opening and you want to hold and

tiny opening and you want to hold and pull things at a place so that you can

pull things at a place so that you can

pull things at a place so that you can stitch and so on so these days lots of

stitch and so on so these days lots of

stitch and so on so these days lots of times the grips holding things out of

times the grips holding things out of

times the grips holding things out of place cause significant damage during

place cause significant damage during

place cause significant damage during the surgery that is they squeeze so hard

the surgery that is they squeeze so hard

the surgery that is they squeeze so hard that they are tearing and ripping and

that they are tearing and ripping and

that they are tearing and ripping and bruising and so on and some things you

bruising and so on and some things you

bruising and so on and some things you just can’t grab laparoscopically like

just can’t grab laparoscopically like

just can’t grab laparoscopically like liver bleeds real easily and it’s

liver bleeds real easily and it’s

liver bleeds real easily and it’s extremely slippery and it heals very

extremely slippery and it heals very

extremely slippery and it heals very slowly particularly for patients that

slowly particularly for patients that

slowly particularly for patients that are that are sick anyway so just another

are that are sick anyway so just another

are that are sick anyway so just another we were we were working on surfaces

we were we were working on surfaces

we were we were working on surfaces today we need to grip things like liver

today we need to grip things like liver

today we need to grip things like liver intestines that don’t cause damage or

intestines that don’t cause damage or

intestines that don’t cause damage or pain now when I mention you’re just

pain now when I mention you’re just

pain now when I mention you’re just curiosity is we have surfaces that grip

curiosity is we have surfaces that grip

curiosity is we have surfaces that grip melting ice so that is if you take an

melting ice so that is if you take an

melting ice so that is if you take an ice cube out of the freezer when it’s

ice cube out of the freezer when it’s

ice cube out of the freezer when it’s really dry you can sort of hold it and

really dry you can sort of hold it and

really dry you can sort of hold it and you pour water on and sort of get super

you pour water on and sort of get super

you pour water on and sort of get super slippery so we have surfaces that when

slippery so we have surfaces that when

slippery so we have surfaces that when you pour the water on the ice it gets a

you pour the water on the ice it gets a

you pour the water on the ice it gets a lot grippier so grippy that you could

lot grippier so grippy that you could

lot grippier so grippy that you could take that

take that

take that piece of plastic hold it up vertical the

piece of plastic hold it up vertical the

piece of plastic hold it up vertical the ice cube will hang there until it melts

ice cube will hang there until it melts

ice cube will hang there until it melts so no idea what that’s good for if

so no idea what that’s good for if

so no idea what that’s good for if anybody has to it’s good for let me know

anybody has to it’s good for let me know

anybody has to it’s good for let me know but it makes a really cool little video

but it makes a really cool little video

but it makes a really cool little video and finally we are working on surgical

and finally we are working on surgical

and finally we are working on surgical gloves so that those babies won’t be

gloves so that those babies won’t be

gloves so that those babies won’t be dropped in any questions or thoughts

dropped in any questions or thoughts

dropped in any questions or thoughts there ah yeah yeah we are partnering

there ah yeah yeah we are partnering

there ah yeah yeah we are partnering with an oem to develop so the question

with an oem to develop so the question

with an oem to develop so the question was are we developing the product for

was are we developing the product for

was are we developing the product for the stents and so we designed the

the stents and so we designed the

the stents and so we designed the surface and then we make the tooling to

surface and then we make the tooling to

surface and then we make the tooling to make the product that will go on the

make the product that will go on the

make the product that will go on the stents and then we’re not going to make

stents and then we’re not going to make

stents and then we’re not going to make the stents and we’re debating how far we

the stents and we’re debating how far we

the stents and we’re debating how far we go in that manufacturing process but

go in that manufacturing process but

go in that manufacturing process but really our goal is design make tools so

really our goal is design make tools so

really our goal is design make tools so other people can make these things in

other people can make these things in

other people can make these things in large corner yeah well you mentioned the

large corner yeah well you mentioned the

large corner yeah well you mentioned the FDA it’s really curious because we have

FDA it’s really curious because we have

FDA it’s really curious because we have no chemistry we have no coatings in many

no chemistry we have no coatings in many

no chemistry we have no coatings in many applications we’re suppressing coatings

applications we’re suppressing coatings

applications we’re suppressing coatings in chemistry like I think every time you

in chemistry like I think every time you

in chemistry like I think every time you get a vaccination you get a little bit

get a vaccination you get a little bit

get a vaccination you get a little bit of silicone oil in you or your child and

of silicone oil in you or your child and

of silicone oil in you or your child and that’s because that’s the lubricant on

that’s because that’s the lubricant on

that’s because that’s the lubricant on the seal on the syringe plunger it’s the

the seal on the syringe plunger it’s the

the seal on the syringe plunger it’s the anti stick coating on the vaccine vial

anti stick coating on the vaccine vial

anti stick coating on the vaccine vial and so on and so their technology you

and so on and so their technology you

and so on and so their technology you eliminate that so how FDA’s look at

eliminate that so how FDA’s look at

eliminate that so how FDA’s look at these is really wide open because we’re

these is really wide open because we’re

these is really wide open because we’re just changing the shape we use existing

just changing the shape we use existing

just changing the shape we use existing materials we don’t add anything don’t

materials we don’t add anything don’t

materials we don’t add anything don’t take anything away and so yeah we’re

take anything away and so yeah we’re

take anything away and so yeah we’re working that there ah well I could tell

working that there ah well I could tell

working that there ah well I could tell lots of bad jokes but as you all know

lots of bad jokes but as you all know

lots of bad jokes but as you all know well by now you know I’m just a real

well by now you know I’m just a real

well by now you know I’m just a real nerd and when we started we were

nerd and when we started we were

nerd and when we started we were thinking nano micro whatever and my

thinking nano micro whatever and my

thinking nano micro whatever and my daughter said dad you’re such a nerd and

daughter said dad you’re such a nerd and

daughter said dad you’re such a nerd and so i’ll put up or shut up and and so my

so i’ll put up or shut up and and so my

so i’ll put up or shut up and and so my daughter sara had a friend Whitney

daughter sara had a friend Whitney

daughter sara had a friend Whitney Williams who was doing a senior project

Williams who was doing a senior project

Williams who was doing a senior project at upstate USC in Spartanburg in design

at upstate USC in Spartanburg in design

at upstate USC in Spartanburg in design and she came up with our name and logo

and she came up with our name and logo

and she came up with our name and logo one colors and so on and it’s a play on

one colors and so on and it’s a play on

one colors and so on and it’s a play on the three founders holtzman Warner King

the three founders holtzman Warner King

the three founders holtzman Warner King so John Warner many of you may know he’s

so John Warner many of you may know he’s

so John Warner many of you may know he’s one of the cofounders of the company and

one of the cofounders of the company and

one of the cofounders of the company and then bill King up in uris Illinois and

then bill King up in uris Illinois and

then bill King up in uris Illinois and this spelling is unique in google it

this spelling is unique in google it

this spelling is unique in google it doesn’t bring up any nasty websites and

doesn’t bring up any nasty websites and

doesn’t bring up any nasty websites and it’s kind of fun and people are very

it’s kind of fun and people are very

it’s kind of fun and people are very kind ask about it thank you yeah I know

kind ask about it thank you yeah I know

kind ask about it thank you yeah I know that come visit us and we’re in the next

that come visit us and we’re in the next

that come visit us and we’re in the next manufacturing building so you know

manufacturing building so you know

manufacturing building so you know what’s really proprietary about us is

what’s really proprietary about us is

what’s really proprietary about us is our design capabilities and our modeling

our design capabilities and our modeling

our design capabilities and our modeling and our standing of friction our biggest

and our standing of friction our biggest

and our standing of friction our biggest surfaces we make by rapid prototyping

surfaces we make by rapid prototyping

surfaces we make by rapid prototyping some of the techniques now can come down

some of the techniques now can come down

some of the techniques now can come down to less than less than the size your

to less than less than the size your

to less than less than the size your hair 100 microns we have CNC Mills micro

hair 100 microns we have CNC Mills micro

hair 100 microns we have CNC Mills micro machines that can run bits down to 50

machines that can run bits down to 50

machines that can run bits down to 50 microns about half the size of your hair

microns about half the size of your hair

microns about half the size of your hair and they’re saying so you’re doing

and they’re saying so you’re doing

and they’re saying so you’re doing machining under microscope and they’re

machining under microscope and they’re

machining under microscope and they’re they’re kind of fun too fun to watch and

they’re kind of fun too fun to watch and

they’re kind of fun too fun to watch and then we also do some electrical

then we also do some electrical

then we also do some electrical discharge machining you know that for

discharge machining you know that for

discharge machining you know that for certain geometries and so on to remove

certain geometries and so on to remove

certain geometries and so on to remove metal and then smaller we have a range

metal and then smaller we have a range

metal and then smaller we have a range of patterns that we do laser processing

of patterns that we do laser processing

of patterns that we do laser processing and we partner with a laser company and

and we partner with a laser company and

and we partner with a laser company and then for our smallest patterns we do

then for our smallest patterns we do

then for our smallest patterns we do silicon micro fab so we use silicon

silicon micro fab so we use silicon

silicon micro fab so we use silicon wafers like a workshop and so instead of

wafers like a workshop and so instead of

wafers like a workshop and so instead of making computer chips or so on we make

making computer chips or so on we make

making computer chips or so on we make patterns and then we have technologies

patterns and then we have technologies

patterns and then we have technologies to copy those and get them into hard

to copy those and get them into hard

to copy those and get them into hard metals thank you okay sure

yes yes so the question was in I fear

yes yes so the question was in I fear the product called sharklet so sharklet

the product called sharklet so sharklet

the product called sharklet so sharklet also designs microservices and they do

also designs microservices and they do

also designs microservices and they do it exclusively for antibacterial

it exclusively for antibacterial

it exclusively for antibacterial properties and I know very well in the

properties and I know very well in the

properties and I know very well in the some years ago we work to them on making

some years ago we work to them on making

some years ago we work to them on making some of their tooling and so so there’s

some of their tooling and so so there’s

some of their tooling and so so there’s lots and lots of natural surfaces so

lots and lots of natural surfaces so

lots and lots of natural surfaces so I’ve talked about friction and grip and

I’ve talked about friction and grip and

I’ve talked about friction and grip and so on in nature their surfaces are

so on in nature their surfaces are

so on in nature their surfaces are antimicrobial there’s reduced drag I see

antimicrobial there’s reduced drag I see

antimicrobial there’s reduced drag I see one of our most fun surface as if you’re

one of our most fun surface as if you’re

one of our most fun surface as if you’re in South Carolina is we have a service

in South Carolina is we have a service

in South Carolina is we have a service that stops condensation of water on your

that stops condensation of water on your

that stops condensation of water on your cold water Doug so you know in the

cold water Doug so you know in the

cold water Doug so you know in the summer in the summer you get your icy

summer in the summer you get your icy

summer in the summer you get your icy beverage you put on your desk and your

beverage you put on your desk and your

beverage you put on your desk and your paper is getting wet in about three

paper is getting wet in about three

paper is getting wet in about three minutes well we have a surface that

minutes well we have a surface that

minutes well we have a surface that delays that to a couple of hours and

delays that to a couple of hours and

delays that to a couple of hours and we’re trying to figure out how to bring

we’re trying to figure out how to bring

we’re trying to figure out how to bring that the market but well actually

that the market but well actually

that the market but well actually actually it adds less than a percent

actually it adds less than a percent

actually it adds less than a percent extra plastic and it should be very low

extra plastic and it should be very low

extra plastic and it should be very low cost that’s not what will charge for it

cost that’s not what will charge for it

cost that’s not what will charge for it but so that answer question that yeah

but so that answer question that yeah

but so that answer question that yeah there’s lots o so sharklet is in the

there’s lots o so sharklet is in the

there’s lots o so sharklet is in the space doing antimicrobial there’s a

space doing antimicrobial there’s a

space doing antimicrobial there’s a company out of MIT called liquid glide

company out of MIT called liquid glide

company out of MIT called liquid glide and a competitor called slips technology

and a competitor called slips technology

and a competitor called slips technology out of Harvard they’re the ones with a

out of Harvard they’re the ones with a

out of Harvard they’re the ones with a really cool ketchup mayonnaise bottle

really cool ketchup mayonnaise bottle

really cool ketchup mayonnaise bottle commercials where it all runs out every

commercials where it all runs out every

commercials where it all runs out every time they do a publicity blast we get

time they do a publicity blast we get

time they do a publicity blast we get all kinds of phone calls and and that’s

all kinds of phone calls and and that’s

all kinds of phone calls and and that’s all

all

all [Applause]

you

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