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Risk Takers: Challenging Everest | Nat Geo Live


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Mount Everest is a place where I think I found

the most portals to discovery for myself, personally.

Everest has been in the news quite a bit recently

chiefly because of a huge, devastating avalanche

that took place last April

where a number of Nepalese climbers

predominantly from the Sherpa ethnic group

were killed in the support of Western mountaineers.

Of course mountaineering is

certainly by some people’s view

almost an indulgent type of a sport.

We’re not going to save anyone’s life doing it.

We might actually by not doing it save our own lives.

But where we find ourselves

and certainly what climbers share,

I mean, amongst a variety of different things,

perhaps a deficient sense of hygiene amongst others.

But we have this great sense of wanting to

impose ourselves or place ourselves

in a humble way

inside this incredible, dynamic,

ever-changing present environment.

Now certainly we try to overcome this environment,

we try to work with this environment.

As athletes we certainly have

great technical skills, the ability to climb rock,

snow and ice.

But we also learn technological skills

and psychological skills to match that.

Of course the motivation for this

is something that has been studied certainly since

the time Everest was first discovered

and even long before that.

What motivates climbers to keep going to that place?

And ultimately we find ourselves

navigating our lives

through this sense of

eternity coupled with impermanence.

And this is part of certainly my Buddhist training,

that we essentially are all going to

have a death of this life.

We’re not going to know

where we’re going to move through into the next one.

How do we navigate this

on this great path of self-actualization?

And certainly people like the early explorers

going to Mount Everest in the 1950s.

George Mallory for one,

he would’ve taken this picture back in the early 1920s.

When they first actually reached the mountain.

Of course many people know that Mallory was a person who

uttered this great

four-word phrase

that is derivative of all human motivation to climb Everest.

We go to climb because it’s…

because it is there.

Little bit cryptic, don’t you think?

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I mean, certainly it’s there, it’s the highest point on Earth,

once, you know, the cartographers and

geologists discovered that.

But Mallory would also write later,

“you must understand that there is something in all of us

that responds to the challenge of this mountain

and goes out to meet it.

That the struggle is the struggle of life itself,

upwards and forever upwards.

And, that’s the reason why we go.

For what we take from this adventure

is nothing but sheer joy.

And joy is, after all, the object of life.

We don’t live simply to eat and make money.

We eat and make money so we can enjoy life.

That is what life means

and what life is for.”

And you have to understand that George Mallory’s generation

was nearly decimated in World War One.

Many of the climbers who went on this,

these first three forays to Everest

were all part of the military,

had lost friends, had lost family,

had lost so many different parts of their lives.

Many of them, many people actually saw

the Mount Everest expeditions

as a way to reintegrate themselves

into their real lives, to their passionate lives

to the ones they had before the war.

And by going out into this challenging natural environment

that they could do this, that they could succeed.

It’s a very romantic type of a notion that is

one that Mallory wrote extensively about.

Of course my time on Everest was a bit later than Mallory’s.

I started climbing in 1985.

I had to fail four times

before I was able to summit and then

the next seven times were quite a bit easier

as a result.

But for me personally,

climbing has always been a tool for self-actualization,

it’s been a way that I challenge myself

day in and day out.

There’s always a way that I can improve,

there’s always a way that I can rigorously analyze my approach,

there’s always a way I can find

greater, more collaborative team members.

The mountain is always different.

The environment is always changing.

It’s a dynamic environment.

Many of the challenges are the same, obviously.

But, you know, like Heraclitus said,

“you never dip your foot into river twice.”

It’s always different, it’s consistently changing.

So this type of environment is one that requires

a very rigorous approach

and constant evaluation of it.

Of course for me being on Everest,

learning about the local cultures,

especially the Sherpa.

People who have lived in this region for upwards of 400 years.

But we climb with the Sherpa

and we learn that their motivations

are very different from ours.

They don’t have a shred of romance.

They are in some ways fearful of this place.

They are also concerned about

not propitiating the spirits

by trying to climb to the rooftop of the world.

At least some of the early

Sherpa involvement on Everest

certainly back in the 1920s and even in

the 1950s, when Sir Edmund Hillary went to climb with Tenzing,

there was still this sense of fearfulness

in many of them that they might somehow be

violating or some way insulting

these local gods and spirits.

But in recent years Sherpas have

with their burgeoning skills and their craft on Everest,

they’ve also taken on

greater risk because the pay is good.

And I know that many of them have real conflicts

because they’re also Buddhist

and they realize that

to actually become

and to find an incarnation as a human being

means that you’ve led a very virtuous life.

You’ve been really blessed

with this great human form.

His Holiness Dalai Lama said,

“the likelihood of you arriving in human form

is like rising out of the Pacific Ocean

with your hand through

the donut of a life preserver.”

Just with a random rising through the ocean.

So, why do you want to take on that excessive risk?

Why do you want to threaten

that human life on your great path of self-actualization?

Shouldn’t you be doing something like these monks

who are working towards the betterment

of their own communities?

I’ve not only been a mountaineer on Everest.

I’ve had the benefit to go into the Kingdom of Mustang

and to do archaeological research

that was featured in the Sky Caves article couple of years back.

It’s been a great opportunity for my family.

You can see my wife here who’s a filmmaker,

who’s a big part of the team

and my daughter Cleo is doing sound recording

on the back there.

And we do some work with literacy,

not only in the Everest region but also in Mustang.

We’ve tried early on to instill in our kids

this great sense of service.

And to try and to get to know and understand

the local populations.

You know, a lot of people have described climbers

and climbing itself as being

one of the most celebrated compulsive obsessive disorders

that’s out there.

You know, I think throw in a little bit of narcissism

and then the bad hygiene,

you kinda get a pretty good idea

of what most climbers are like.

But we try to get up into these wild places,

some of which we have to climb very difficult rock,

mostly because it has little integrity.

It’s almost like mud.

So we have to work with very primitive tools

and find our way into these caves,

that sometimes are on cliffs

that are thousands of feet high.

Of course we come out of these caves having worked in the dust,

having worked in the mud

and we definitely look like we’ve been put through the wringer a bit.

And so, when that happens I have to call in my son Finn,

and I really send him in as well.

This is a real family type of a project

and we look at our teammates

as real family members as well.

See my daughter here,

she’s with Dr. Mark Aldenderfer.

They were unraveling one of these

remarkable gold and silver

annealed masks

that we found in one of our caves

in a village known as Samdzong

which is right up against the Tibetan border

in the Kali Gandaki region of the Central Himalaya of Nepal.

Jacqueline Eng, she’s not doing a tantric ritual there.

She’s actually a bioarchaeologist

and she’s studying some of the bones to try to get an idea

of what type of lives these people led.

She looks at bones almost like a book.

And she can figure out by the condition of the bones

and the type of markings on them

what the life and health of that–

of that individual was actually like.

Dr. Christina Warinner who does

some of the work respective to our–

our genetic extraction from teeth,

who’s working right now on

trying to put together

a genetic genotype that gives us an idea

of where these people are from.

And we can have, I think a better understanding

of where the origins

of the original people inhabiting these places are.

And we’ve been able to help rewrite some of the history

of the peopling of the Himalaya

and migration through those incredible mountains.

So, just to give you an idea

we are frequently

suspending ourselves from ropes, climbing up

some of these remarkable

mud-encrusted, completely unstable cliffs

using pneumatic hammer drills,

using rebar anchors

because the material is just so difficult to bind

and so difficult to anchor in.

And it’s not infrequent that we’re actually taking

extreme risk getting up into these places

to try to push back

on our ignorance, to try to push back

on this yearning for knowledge.

And ultimately for me personally

that’s where it all is. It’s about self-actualization

and it’s about acquiring wisdom.

It’s also about inspiring the next generation,

it’s about inspiring my own children.

And certainly as a parent,

as a husband, as a son,

I worry consistently

about having my kids in an environment that,

you know, obviously could be very threatening.

By the same token, as a parent

I don’t want to insulate them so much

that they never get off the Xbox or the iPad.

And I think you parents know what I’m talking about here.

So, in any case, I think

it’s really well summarized in a quote

by one of my favorite climbers.

His name is Edward Whymper and in 1865

he was one of the first people to climb

the Matterhorn for the first time.

And he said, “Climb if you will,

but remember that strength and courage

are not without prudence.

And that a moment’s negligence

can lead to the dissolution of happiness

in a lifetime.

Take care with each step

and do nothing in haste.

And from the beginning

think what may be in the end.”

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