for me it’s about how can I get people to feel that effortless connection to
to feel that effortless connection to
to feel that effortless connection to nature technically speaking this is all
nature technically speaking this is all
nature technically speaking this is all part of a biological and evolutionary
part of a biological and evolutionary
part of a biological and evolutionary development this is our a story
development this is our a story
development this is our a story no matter what we do to the world life
no matter what we do to the world life
no matter what we do to the world life still finds a way to express itself that
still finds a way to express itself that
still finds a way to express itself that is pure magic to me that is nature
is pure magic to me that is nature
is pure magic to me that is nature finding expression against all the odds
finding expression against all the odds
finding expression against all the odds that we impress upon it that to me is
that we impress upon it that to me is
that we impress upon it that to me is hope people often ask me if I find it to
hope people often ask me if I find it to
hope people often ask me if I find it to be a bit of a contradiction
be a bit of a contradiction
be a bit of a contradiction being such an impassioned advocate for
being such an impassioned advocate for
being such an impassioned advocate for wilderness and wildlife yet choosing to
wilderness and wildlife yet choosing to
wilderness and wildlife yet choosing to reside in the most curated habitat for a
reside in the most curated habitat for a
reside in the most curated habitat for a man New York City and I often reply to
man New York City and I often reply to
man New York City and I often reply to them not particularly so because while I
them not particularly so because while I
them not particularly so because while I can understand that living in a city
can understand that living in a city
can understand that living in a city easily loves people to disengage
easily loves people to disengage
easily loves people to disengage themselves from the realities of the
themselves from the realities of the
themselves from the realities of the world around them I think it is the very
world around them I think it is the very
world around them I think it is the very same city that has helped me find this
same city that has helped me find this
same city that has helped me find this intrinsic connection no matter how far
intrinsic connection no matter how far
intrinsic connection no matter how far removed I am from nature to nature so
removed I am from nature to nature so
removed I am from nature to nature so when I walk home from the gym on a fine
when I walk home from the gym on a fine
when I walk home from the gym on a fine Friday evening through Madison Square
Friday evening through Madison Square
Friday evening through Madison Square Park the smallest patch of green in New
Park the smallest patch of green in New
Park the smallest patch of green in New York and I encounter fireflies flitting
York and I encounter fireflies flitting
York and I encounter fireflies flitting about in a dusk that is pure magic to me
about in a dusk that is pure magic to me
about in a dusk that is pure magic to me that is nature finding expression
that is nature finding expression
that is nature finding expression against all the odds that we impress
against all the odds that we impress
against all the odds that we impress upon it that to me is hope and that
upon it that to me is hope and that
upon it that to me is hope and that shows me that life is resilient which
shows me that life is resilient which
shows me that life is resilient which inspires me to do what I do so when the
inspires me to do what I do so when the
inspires me to do what I do so when the BP oil spill happened I felt compelled
BP oil spill happened I felt compelled
BP oil spill happened I felt compelled to participate to take the dialogue a
to participate to take the dialogue a
to participate to take the dialogue a step further than just feeling like this
step further than just feeling like this
step further than just feeling like this passive voice in a much larger system
passive voice in a much larger system
passive voice in a much larger system because an individual does have impact
because an individual does have impact
because an individual does have impact granted that it’s you know a small drop
granted that it’s you know a small drop
granted that it’s you know a small drop in the ocean but every drop counts and I
in the ocean but every drop counts and I
in the ocean but every drop counts and I think together we build up a lot much
think together we build up a lot much
think together we build up a lot much larger momentum and when the BP oil
larger momentum and when the BP oil
larger momentum and when the BP oil spill happened at that point I was in
spill happened at that point I was in
spill happened at that point I was in the peak of my fashion career so I was
the peak of my fashion career so I was
the peak of my fashion career so I was just launched a label I wanted to take
just launched a label I wanted to take
just launched a label I wanted to take that the next step forward but then when
that the next step forward but then when
that the next step forward but then when this unfolded I was just completely
this unfolded I was just completely
this unfolded I was just completely debilitated I was in my bed sobbing for
debilitated I was in my bed sobbing for
debilitated I was in my bed sobbing for about a month and I realized that I
about a month and I realized that I
about a month and I realized that I couldn’t just go on with my life turning
couldn’t just go on with my life turning
couldn’t just go on with my life turning a blind eye to what was happening in my
a blind eye to what was happening in my
a blind eye to what was happening in my immediate reality and just being a
immediate reality and just being a
immediate reality and just being a victim to what seemed at that time a
victim to what seemed at that time a
victim to what seemed at that time a failing system don’t get me wrong I
failing system don’t get me wrong I
failing system don’t get me wrong I still think it’s a failing system but I
still think it’s a failing system but I
still think it’s a failing system but I feel like I have
feel like I have
feel like I have larger voice and stake in what is
larger voice and stake in what is
larger voice and stake in what is happening around me simply on account of
happening around me simply on account of
happening around me simply on account of taking responsibility and this
taking responsibility and this
taking responsibility and this particular work along with six others
particular work along with six others
particular work along with six others that I created Castle I own how we feel
that I created Castle I own how we feel
that I created Castle I own how we feel a life with death and it was a way for
a life with death and it was a way for
a life with death and it was a way for me to condense information and package
me to condense information and package
me to condense information and package it into the simplest format possible
it into the simplest format possible
it into the simplest format possible something that’s two dimensional
something that’s two dimensional
something that’s two dimensional contrasts positive space with negative
contrasts positive space with negative
contrasts positive space with negative space which is to say you know what
space which is to say you know what
space which is to say you know what remains what’s worth protecting and what
remains what’s worth protecting and what
remains what’s worth protecting and what has been lost forever
has been lost forever
has been lost forever because unless you show people what is
because unless you show people what is
because unless you show people what is there against what isn’t there is no
there against what isn’t there is no
there against what isn’t there is no contrast there’s no understanding of the
contrast there’s no understanding of the
contrast there’s no understanding of the baseline that is shifted which seems to
baseline that is shifted which seems to
baseline that is shifted which seems to be the constant problem with the
be the constant problem with the
be the constant problem with the generation today they just don’t know
generation today they just don’t know
generation today they just don’t know that we have lost so much in the last 10
that we have lost so much in the last 10
that we have lost so much in the last 10 years in the last 20 years and when I
years in the last 20 years and when I
years in the last 20 years and when I created these works I decided to take
created these works I decided to take
created these works I decided to take that leap of faith which led me to
that leap of faith which led me to
that leap of faith which led me to Africa and I spent the entire two months
Africa and I spent the entire two months
Africa and I spent the entire two months that we were there basically on a
that we were there basically on a
that we were there basically on a one-woman crusade picking up garbage
one-woman crusade picking up garbage
one-woman crusade picking up garbage everywhere I went and I would drop it
everywhere I went and I would drop it
everywhere I went and I would drop it off a different range of posts every
off a different range of posts every
off a different range of posts every evening you do this for a week and word
evening you do this for a week and word
evening you do this for a week and word travels because the next thing I knew
travels because the next thing I knew
travels because the next thing I knew when I was shifting from one resort to
when I was shifting from one resort to
when I was shifting from one resort to the next people would call ahead and
the next people would call ahead and
the next people would call ahead and tell her tell them like she’s going to
tell her tell them like she’s going to
tell her tell them like she’s going to come and inspect your sewage plan how
come and inspect your sewage plan how
come and inspect your sewage plan how you dispose of your waste and she’s
you dispose of your waste and she’s
you dispose of your waste and she’s gonna take issue with everything so be
gonna take issue with everything so be
gonna take issue with everything so be prepared she’s coming over and and so
prepared she’s coming over and and so
prepared she’s coming over and and so they would welcome me and show me I had
they would welcome me and show me I had
they would welcome me and show me I had a curb they’d be like this is what you
a curb they’d be like this is what you
a curb they’d be like this is what you need to see and I’m like no I’m gonna do
need to see and I’m like no I’m gonna do
need to see and I’m like no I’m gonna do to my terms and I would see what I want
to my terms and I would see what I want
to my terms and I would see what I want to see what I want to see it but it’s
to see what I want to see it but it’s
to see what I want to see it but it’s just the idea of one person having that
just the idea of one person having that
just the idea of one person having that voice and that traveling within two
voice and that traveling within two
voice and that traveling within two months across the board in Tanzania and
months across the board in Tanzania and
months across the board in Tanzania and Kenya so much that people thought I was
Kenya so much that people thought I was
Kenya so much that people thought I was part of the UN by then that I was with
part of the UN by then that I was with
part of the UN by then that I was with affiliate with numerous other
affiliate with numerous other
affiliate with numerous other organizations that I was in on this like
organizations that I was in on this like
organizations that I was in on this like inside a conspiracy bust and what that
inside a conspiracy bust and what that
inside a conspiracy bust and what that culminated in was me coming back to New
culminated in was me coming back to New
culminated in was me coming back to New York with a whole lot of garbage which
York with a whole lot of garbage which
York with a whole lot of garbage which was a really interesting conversation
was a really interesting conversation
was a really interesting conversation with TSA and I wound up you know
with TSA and I wound up you know
with TSA and I wound up you know clearing immigration somehow and wound
clearing immigration somehow and wound
clearing immigration somehow and wound up in New York and I used all his
up in New York and I used all his
up in New York and I used all his garbage to create a line of artwork
garbage to create a line of artwork
garbage to create a line of artwork called shadowed heirlooms and the entire
called shadowed heirlooms and the entire
called shadowed heirlooms and the entire series focused on how infrastructure
series focused on how infrastructure
series focused on how infrastructure growth and population growth was
growth and population growth was
growth and population growth was infringing upon wild habitats and how
infringing upon wild habitats and how
infringing upon wild habitats and how all of the trees that I saw the open
all of the trees that I saw the open
all of the trees that I saw the open grasslands that we think of when we
grasslands that we think of when we
grasslands that we think of when we think of the Dark Continent and lost
think of the Dark Continent and lost
think of the Dark Continent and lost wilderness of Africa is completely the
wilderness of Africa is completely the
wilderness of Africa is completely the strewn and bejeweled with plastic bags
strewn and bejeweled with plastic bags
strewn and bejeweled with plastic bags and consumers brand packaging from
and consumers brand packaging from
and consumers brand packaging from European and American markets so I would
European and American markets so I would
European and American markets so I would see L’Oreal I would see Tampax I would
see L’Oreal I would see Tampax I would
see L’Oreal I would see Tampax I would see diaper bags
see diaper bags
see diaper bags cosmetic companies things that you were
cosmetic companies things that you were
cosmetic companies things that you were recognized from here in Africa in the
recognized from here in Africa in the
recognized from here in Africa in the open grassland and zebras and giraffes
open grassland and zebras and giraffes
open grassland and zebras and giraffes chewing on this and that’s not what you
chewing on this and that’s not what you
chewing on this and that’s not what you think of when you think of Africa and
think of when you think of Africa and
think of when you think of Africa and that was such a shame and it really
that was such a shame and it really
that was such a shame and it really broke my heart and so I created this
broke my heart and so I created this
broke my heart and so I created this line of work which led me to meet Louisa
line of work which led me to meet Louisa
line of work which led me to meet Louisa Harris and Ric O’Barry shortly after
Harris and Ric O’Barry shortly after
Harris and Ric O’Barry shortly after like I said the path of least resistance
like I said the path of least resistance
like I said the path of least resistance and that opened up a whole different
and that opened up a whole different
and that opened up a whole different dialogue which was all about oceans and
dialogue which was all about oceans and
dialogue which was all about oceans and what was happening to cetaceans being
what was happening to cetaceans being
what was happening to cetaceans being exploited for spectacle so this whole
exploited for spectacle so this whole
exploited for spectacle so this whole idea of not just capturing dolphins and
idea of not just capturing dolphins and
idea of not just capturing dolphins and and orcas to show them in these confined
and orcas to show them in these confined
and orcas to show them in these confined spaces where they held it for long
spaces where they held it for long
spaces where they held it for long periods of time
periods of time
periods of time completely abused and out of context
completely abused and out of context
completely abused and out of context because they have a large social context
because they have a large social context
because they have a large social context these are highly sentient beings that
these are highly sentient beings that
these are highly sentient beings that know how to relate on a deep emotional
know how to relate on a deep emotional
know how to relate on a deep emotional level and they live in a culture sort of
level and they live in a culture sort of
level and they live in a culture sort of us how humans do and to pull them out of
us how humans do and to pull them out of
us how humans do and to pull them out of that whole context and show them as
that whole context and show them as
that whole context and show them as one-off is not is to take away the very
one-off is not is to take away the very
one-off is not is to take away the very essence and spirit of that animal is to
essence and spirit of that animal is to
essence and spirit of that animal is to break that spirit and so they’re just
break that spirit and so they’re just
break that spirit and so they’re just shadows of what cetaceans would be in
shadows of what cetaceans would be in
shadows of what cetaceans would be in the wild in captivity so when you go to
the wild in captivity so when you go to
the wild in captivity so when you go to SeaWorld and you support that show
SeaWorld and you support that show
SeaWorld and you support that show you’re not getting any kind of education
you’re not getting any kind of education
you’re not getting any kind of education all you’re seeing is an orca that is not
all you’re seeing is an orca that is not
all you’re seeing is an orca that is not an orca anymore that has been completely
an orca anymore that has been completely
an orca anymore that has been completely broken in every form that’s possible
broken in every form that’s possible
broken in every form that’s possible psychologically traumatized and and
psychologically traumatized and and
psychologically traumatized and and you’re paying a dollar for that and
you’re paying a dollar for that and
you’re paying a dollar for that and that’s not okay and if we don’t condone
that’s not okay and if we don’t condone
that’s not okay and if we don’t condone slavery and we don’t condone this sort
slavery and we don’t condone this sort
slavery and we don’t condone this sort of abuse and human beings we shouldn’t
of abuse and human beings we shouldn’t
of abuse and human beings we shouldn’t be doing that for other species so I
be doing that for other species so I
be doing that for other species so I decided to get involved with this whole
decided to get involved with this whole
decided to get involved with this whole campaign and created a series of works
campaign and created a series of works
campaign and created a series of works and once again trying to condense and
and once again trying to condense and
and once again trying to condense and fold information into two-dimensional
fold information into two-dimensional
fold information into two-dimensional layouts that will immediately translate
layouts that will immediately translate
layouts that will immediately translate in a glimpse to the largest audience
in a glimpse to the largest audience
in a glimpse to the largest audience possible so this was as simple as
possible so this was as simple as
possible so this was as simple as interpreting what the Japanese flag
interpreting what the Japanese flag
interpreting what the Japanese flag would look like by placing sort of a
would look like by placing sort of a
would look like by placing sort of a bloody spot that’s bleeding out in the
bloody spot that’s bleeding out in the
bloody spot that’s bleeding out in the center of the flag and that also spells
center of the flag and that also spells
center of the flag and that also spells the word The Cove and but only did I see
the word The Cove and but only did I see
the word The Cove and but only did I see garbage unfolding in Africa but every
garbage unfolding in Africa but every
garbage unfolding in Africa but every time I went scuba diving or snorkeling
time I went scuba diving or snorkeling
time I went scuba diving or snorkeling in any ecosystem all I encountered was
in any ecosystem all I encountered was
in any ecosystem all I encountered was plastic and so I started creating these
plastic and so I started creating these
plastic and so I started creating these simple animations this is the other
simple animations this is the other
simple animations this is the other aspect of my career that I haven’t told
aspect of my career that I haven’t told
aspect of my career that I haven’t told very many people is that I don’t know
very many people is that I don’t know
very many people is that I don’t know how to do half the things I do and so
how to do half the things I do and so
how to do half the things I do and so when I wake up thank God for Google and
when I wake up thank God for Google and
when I wake up thank God for Google and thank thank God for like how-to for
thank thank God for like how-to for
thank thank God for like how-to for dummies because if I didn’t like look up
dummies because if I didn’t like look up
dummies because if I didn’t like look up these like simple
these like simple
these like simple tutorials there would be no way in which
tutorials there would be no way in which
tutorials there would be no way in which I even knew how to animate so this
I even knew how to animate so this
I even knew how to animate so this particular animation is one of my early
particular animation is one of my early
particular animation is one of my early animation just to connect consumer
animation just to connect consumer
animation just to connect consumer choices and a simple things such as
choices and a simple things such as
choices and a simple things such as acquiring a plastic bag in your life and
acquiring a plastic bag in your life and
acquiring a plastic bag in your life and how that translates into affecting a
how that translates into affecting a
how that translates into affecting a larger ecosystem in our world
and so as I was saying earlier with life
and so as I was saying earlier with life being resilient I mean this and this is
being resilient I mean this and this is
being resilient I mean this and this is the other thing I have to say about my
the other thing I have to say about my
the other thing I have to say about my life is that most of the mail I get is
life is that most of the mail I get is
life is that most of the mail I get is just garbage and one thing that I got
just garbage and one thing that I got
just garbage and one thing that I got recently is a plastic bottle from Long
recently is a plastic bottle from Long
recently is a plastic bottle from Long Island that was covered in barnacles so
Island that was covered in barnacles so
Island that was covered in barnacles so this is once again a sign of life being
this is once again a sign of life being
this is once again a sign of life being resilient so no matter what we do to the
resilient so no matter what we do to the
resilient so no matter what we do to the world life still finds a way to express
world life still finds a way to express
world life still finds a way to express itself all we need to do is give it a
itself all we need to do is give it a
itself all we need to do is give it a chance so for me it’s about how can I
chance so for me it’s about how can I
chance so for me it’s about how can I get people to feel that it’s this
get people to feel that it’s this
get people to feel that it’s this connection to nature and one of the
connection to nature and one of the
connection to nature and one of the things that I did is starting to embed
things that I did is starting to embed
things that I did is starting to embed data that is otherwise hard for a
data that is otherwise hard for a
data that is otherwise hard for a layperson to feel a visceral connection
layperson to feel a visceral connection
layperson to feel a visceral connection with through what I can create and this
with through what I can create and this
with through what I can create and this particular image is a time place because
particular image is a time place because
particular image is a time place because it shows you a boat at every hour which
it shows you a boat at every hour which
it shows you a boat at every hour which shows you that exploitation occurs
shows you that exploitation occurs
shows you that exploitation occurs around the clock day and night but also
around the clock day and night but also
around the clock day and night but also the fact that there’s a pie chart
the fact that there’s a pie chart
the fact that there’s a pie chart embedded within it through dotted black
embedded within it through dotted black
embedded within it through dotted black lines and only 3% of global fisheries is
lines and only 3% of global fisheries is
lines and only 3% of global fisheries is in recovery the rest of it is either
in recovery the rest of it is either
in recovery the rest of it is either moderately exploited heavily exploited
moderately exploited heavily exploited
moderately exploited heavily exploited or just going extinct on the brink of
or just going extinct on the brink of
or just going extinct on the brink of extinction that is not okay especially
extinction that is not okay especially
extinction that is not okay especially when over 1 billion people in the world
when over 1 billion people in the world
when over 1 billion people in the world rely on fish as a protein source and
rely on fish as a protein source and
rely on fish as a protein source and this particular image just shows you
this particular image just shows you
this particular image just shows you what’s wrong with this picture all of
what’s wrong with this picture all of
what’s wrong with this picture all of the life that is in the ocean is
the life that is in the ocean is
the life that is in the ocean is actually on land taking it a step
actually on land taking it a step
actually on land taking it a step further getting people to connect with
further getting people to connect with
further getting people to connect with the idea of barcodes you know the fact
the idea of barcodes you know the fact
the idea of barcodes you know the fact that we slap on a barcode on to any
that we slap on a barcode on to any
that we slap on a barcode on to any living creature and then selling it we
living creature and then selling it we
living creature and then selling it we sell everything we can get our hands on
sell everything we can get our hands on
sell everything we can get our hands on and we say that should we somehow single
and we say that should we somehow single
and we say that should we somehow single out china and say that china is the one
out china and say that china is the one
out china and say that china is the one who’s doing this it’s not one nation
who’s doing this it’s not one nation
who’s doing this it’s not one nation it’s not one type of people we all do it
it’s not one type of people we all do it
it’s not one type of people we all do it so the other work that I started
so the other work that I started
so the other work that I started creating the other line of work I
creating the other line of work I
creating the other line of work I started creating is along the lines of
started creating is along the lines of
started creating is along the lines of climate change because habitat loss and
climate change because habitat loss and
climate change because habitat loss and the fact that weather patterns are
the fact that weather patterns are
the fact that weather patterns are shifting locally is resulting in species
shifting locally is resulting in species
shifting locally is resulting in species migrating early and not having the food
migrating early and not having the food
migrating early and not having the food supply they need to nourish themselves
supply they need to nourish themselves
supply they need to nourish themselves so they can go to the next stop so it’s
so they can go to the next stop so it’s
so they can go to the next stop so it’s like along the way the entire chain gets
like along the way the entire chain gets
like along the way the entire chain gets broken and this particular work is about
broken and this particular work is about
broken and this particular work is about how climate can watch for itself if it
how climate can watch for itself if it
how climate can watch for itself if it could but since I can we need
could but since I can we need
could but since I can we need take a stand for it and climate March is
take a stand for it and climate March is
take a stand for it and climate March is not just about climate it’s about
not just about climate it’s about
not just about climate it’s about biodiversity loss and decline of
biodiversity loss and decline of
biodiversity loss and decline of wildlife in wilderness areas around the
wildlife in wilderness areas around the
wildlife in wilderness areas around the world and so rising sea levels is not
world and so rising sea levels is not
world and so rising sea levels is not just a threat to us it’s the threat to
just a threat to us it’s the threat to
just a threat to us it’s the threat to every type of organism things that we
every type of organism things that we
every type of organism things that we have not even discovered yet there are
have not even discovered yet there are
have not even discovered yet there are five species up top and exclamation
five species up top and exclamation
five species up top and exclamation marks because their recent discoveries
marks because their recent discoveries
marks because their recent discoveries and beneath that is all the species we
and beneath that is all the species we
and beneath that is all the species we have known off that are in question
have known off that are in question
have known off that are in question heading towards the brink of extinction
heading towards the brink of extinction
heading towards the brink of extinction and on the last row you have species
and on the last row you have species
and on the last row you have species that are being driven to extinction in
that are being driven to extinction in
that are being driven to extinction in the last five years including the
the last five years including the
the last five years including the Western black rhinoceros and the job and
Western black rhinoceros and the job and
Western black rhinoceros and the job and tiger and this is the same fate that
tiger and this is the same fate that
tiger and this is the same fate that faces all the other megafauna in
faces all the other megafauna in
faces all the other megafauna in question so then I decided to take the
question so then I decided to take the
question so then I decided to take the opportunity that was given to me to
opportunity that was given to me to
opportunity that was given to me to create a Faberge egg for the big egg
create a Faberge egg for the big egg
create a Faberge egg for the big egg hunt to speak to these issues and I
hunt to speak to these issues and I
hunt to speak to these issues and I created this particular image called the
created this particular image called the
created this particular image called the ice storm egg which shows you a sandy
ice storm egg which shows you a sandy
ice storm egg which shows you a sandy hurricane satellite image it’s the eye
hurricane satellite image it’s the eye
hurricane satellite image it’s the eye of the storm and on top of that I’ve
of the storm and on top of that I’ve
of the storm and on top of that I’ve overlaid by diversity eyes of
overlaid by diversity eyes of
overlaid by diversity eyes of biodiversity from around the world
biodiversity from around the world
biodiversity from around the world including human beings so you see all
including human beings so you see all
including human beings so you see all these eyes staring back at you there
these eyes staring back at you there
these eyes staring back at you there with silent witnesses to what’s
with silent witnesses to what’s
with silent witnesses to what’s happening to their habitat to the world
happening to their habitat to the world
happening to their habitat to the world around them and this particular egg I’m
around them and this particular egg I’m
around them and this particular egg I’m actually kind of build on it further
actually kind of build on it further
actually kind of build on it further because one of the things I think that’s
because one of the things I think that’s
because one of the things I think that’s lacking is that we think it’s gonna be
lacking is that we think it’s gonna be
lacking is that we think it’s gonna be okay that somehow we’re gonna get
okay that somehow we’re gonna get
okay that somehow we’re gonna get through this technology we’ll come up
through this technology we’ll come up
through this technology we’ll come up with an answer there’s some shortcut
with an answer there’s some shortcut
with an answer there’s some shortcut that we’re gonna hit there isn’t gonna
that we’re gonna hit there isn’t gonna
that we’re gonna hit there isn’t gonna be any and unless we understand that
be any and unless we understand that
be any and unless we understand that this distant cataclysmic future is a
this distant cataclysmic future is a
this distant cataclysmic future is a closer reality something that’s palpable
closer reality something that’s palpable
closer reality something that’s palpable in the immediate future we’re never
in the immediate future we’re never
in the immediate future we’re never gonna really get down to doing something
gonna really get down to doing something
gonna really get down to doing something about it so one of the ideas we’re
about it so one of the ideas we’re
about it so one of the ideas we’re bouncing around with the whole bunch of
bouncing around with the whole bunch of
bouncing around with the whole bunch of people is this idea of creating a black
people is this idea of creating a black
people is this idea of creating a black box a sensory deprivation chamber and
box a sensory deprivation chamber and
box a sensory deprivation chamber and within the black box I’m gonna put place
within the black box I’m gonna put place
within the black box I’m gonna put place this egg and have an immersive
this egg and have an immersive
this egg and have an immersive soundtrack that is going to basically be
soundtrack that is going to basically be
soundtrack that is going to basically be different audio channels of wild calls
different audio channels of wild calls
different audio channels of wild calls and the closer a person gets to the egg
and the closer a person gets to the egg
and the closer a person gets to the egg the more those wild calls will start
the more those wild calls will start
the more those wild calls will start diminishing and then you’ll have that
diminishing and then you’ll have that
diminishing and then you’ll have that being replaced by anthropogenic noise
being replaced by anthropogenic noise
being replaced by anthropogenic noise and there’s going to be a tipping point
and there’s going to be a tipping point
and there’s going to be a tipping point in place so when there’s enough
in place so when there’s enough
in place so when there’s enough anthropogenic noise replacing the audio
anthropogenic noise replacing the audio
anthropogenic noise replacing the audio channels of wild calls it’s gonna
channels of wild calls it’s gonna
channels of wild calls it’s gonna trigger a hurricane so you realize that
trigger a hurricane so you realize that
trigger a hurricane so you realize that it’s your interaction with that egg
it’s your interaction with that egg
it’s your interaction with that egg that’s resulting in that hurricane and
that’s resulting in that hurricane and
that’s resulting in that hurricane and the other aspect of this is also going
the other aspect of this is also going
the other aspect of this is also going to be that the there’s going to be a
to be that the there’s going to be a
to be that the there’s going to be a video installation along the walls so
video installation along the walls so
video installation along the walls so I’m going to place
I’m going to place
I’m going to place an entire track of eyes opening and
an entire track of eyes opening and
an entire track of eyes opening and closing from around the world and those
closing from around the world and those
closing from around the world and those two will go we’ll go talk as we get
two will go we’ll go talk as we get
two will go we’ll go talk as we get closer to the egg and as you’re
closer to the egg and as you’re
closer to the egg and as you’re triggering the hurricane ultimately
triggering the hurricane ultimately
triggering the hurricane ultimately resulting in a completely black chamber
resulting in a completely black chamber
resulting in a completely black chamber devoid of sound devoid of life and
devoid of sound devoid of life and
devoid of sound devoid of life and that’s what we’re resulting in so I
that’s what we’re resulting in so I
that’s what we’re resulting in so I think if you’re in that space for even a
think if you’re in that space for even a
think if you’re in that space for even a moment you’re going to realize that that
moment you’re going to realize that that
moment you’re going to realize that that dead zone was created by you and that’s
dead zone was created by you and that’s
dead zone was created by you and that’s the kind of dead zone you’re
the kind of dead zone you’re
the kind of dead zone you’re perpetuating in the world around you so
perpetuating in the world around you so
perpetuating in the world around you so that has led me because like since I
that has led me because like since I
that has led me because like since I don’t say no to any of the issues it
don’t say no to any of the issues it
don’t say no to any of the issues it keeps leading me further down the rabbit
keeps leading me further down the rabbit
keeps leading me further down the rabbit hole and this tumble has led me to the
hole and this tumble has led me to the
hole and this tumble has led me to the Denver ivory crush which the whole
Denver ivory crush which the whole
Denver ivory crush which the whole intent behind it was to destroy the
intent behind it was to destroy the
intent behind it was to destroy the stockpile and I put that within quotes
stockpile and I put that within quotes
stockpile and I put that within quotes because that’s not what has happened
because that’s not what has happened
because that’s not what has happened eventually
eventually
eventually they recently announced a design
they recently announced a design
they recently announced a design challenge a call to artists and
challenge a call to artists and
challenge a call to artists and designers to create something out of
designers to create something out of
designers to create something out of this crushed ivory and many people
this crushed ivory and many people
this crushed ivory and many people including me run it back when I went to
including me run it back when I went to
including me run it back when I went to it I thought when they were going to
it I thought when they were going to
it I thought when they were going to crush the ivory that it was going to be
crush the ivory that it was going to be
crush the ivory that it was going to be completely powdered like like utterly
completely powdered like like utterly
completely powdered like like utterly destroyed and that’s not what happened
destroyed and that’s not what happened
destroyed and that’s not what happened you have giant shards of I read that can
you have giant shards of I read that can
you have giant shards of I read that can still be used for something so anything
still be used for something so anything
still be used for something so anything that’s cast out of this material is
that’s cast out of this material is
that’s cast out of this material is still gonna look beautiful even though
still gonna look beautiful even though
still gonna look beautiful even though they say it’s educational which by the
they say it’s educational which by the
they say it’s educational which by the way is gonna be the next big loophole
way is gonna be the next big loophole
way is gonna be the next big loophole that Asian markets are going to exploit
that Asian markets are going to exploit
that Asian markets are going to exploit educational use of ivory I mean how are
educational use of ivory I mean how are
educational use of ivory I mean how are you gonna define that in other markets
you gonna define that in other markets
you gonna define that in other markets it’s hard enough to regulate this
it’s hard enough to regulate this
it’s hard enough to regulate this illicit trade up to trade that basically
illicit trade up to trade that basically
illicit trade up to trade that basically allows for death to perpetuate and mass
allows for death to perpetuate and mass
allows for death to perpetuate and mass fifty thousand elephants call their for
fifty thousand elephants call their for
fifty thousand elephants call their for this particular product that is not even
this particular product that is not even
this particular product that is not even really needed in any capacity by human
really needed in any capacity by human
really needed in any capacity by human beings it doesn’t it’s not integral to
beings it doesn’t it’s not integral to
beings it doesn’t it’s not integral to our survival and the other thing with
our survival and the other thing with
our survival and the other thing with that is the ban of the moratorium when
that is the ban of the moratorium when
that is the ban of the moratorium when you have a moratorium in place all it
you have a moratorium in place all it
you have a moratorium in place all it says is the market is closed for now and
says is the market is closed for now and
says is the market is closed for now and the doors will open eventually so the
the doors will open eventually so the
the doors will open eventually so the prices will build in the meanwhile and
prices will build in the meanwhile and
prices will build in the meanwhile and you can just hold onto your stockpile
you can just hold onto your stockpile
you can just hold onto your stockpile and release it when the time is right
and release it when the time is right
and release it when the time is right and with a ban it says you’re you made
and with a ban it says you’re you made
and with a ban it says you’re you made the investment this is over get over
the investment this is over get over
the investment this is over get over yourself and it’s done you know we’re
yourself and it’s done you know we’re
yourself and it’s done you know we’re not gonna kill any more elephants for
not gonna kill any more elephants for
not gonna kill any more elephants for this ridiculous trade right now the
this ridiculous trade right now the
this ridiculous trade right now the trade what it’s doing is infringing upon
trade what it’s doing is infringing upon
trade what it’s doing is infringing upon not only their habitat but also killing
not only their habitat but also killing
not only their habitat but also killing the individuals that are part of an
the individuals that are part of an
the individuals that are part of an integral part of a functioning society
integral part of a functioning society
integral part of a functioning society of elephants so that a lot that there’s
of elephants so that a lot that there’s
of elephants so that a lot that there’s also no loss of information being handed
also no loss of information being handed
also no loss of information being handed down from generation to generation so
down from generation to generation so
down from generation to generation so all you’re looking at when you look at a
all you’re looking at when you look at a
all you’re looking at when you look at a herd when you go on safari now is
herd when you go on safari now is
herd when you go on safari now is some adults and and their calves it’s
some adults and and their calves it’s
some adults and and their calves it’s like looking at teenage mothers with
like looking at teenage mothers with
like looking at teenage mothers with kids and they don’t know what to do with
kids and they don’t know what to do with
kids and they don’t know what to do with them and that’s not an elephant society
them and that’s not an elephant society
them and that’s not an elephant society that’s not an elephant herd as it used
that’s not an elephant herd as it used
that’s not an elephant herd as it used to be 50 years ago 100 years ago so when
to be 50 years ago 100 years ago so when
to be 50 years ago 100 years ago so when people come to me and say you know what
people come to me and say you know what
people come to me and say you know what do I do with the piece of ivory that I
do I do with the piece of ivory that I
do I do with the piece of ivory that I have in my house a belt buckle or a
have in my house a belt buckle or a
have in my house a belt buckle or a statue you know it’s like the entire
statue you know it’s like the entire
statue you know it’s like the entire argument if you don’t destroy it you
argument if you don’t destroy it you
argument if you don’t destroy it you have it in your house in any capacity
have it in your house in any capacity
have it in your house in any capacity whether it’s pre moratorium a post
whether it’s pre moratorium a post
whether it’s pre moratorium a post moratorium it doesn’t matter because
moratorium it doesn’t matter because
moratorium it doesn’t matter because ultimately what you’re doing is saying
ultimately what you’re doing is saying
ultimately what you’re doing is saying that it’s okay to have ivory in some way
that it’s okay to have ivory in some way
that it’s okay to have ivory in some way and that it’s okay to encourage the
and that it’s okay to encourage the
and that it’s okay to encourage the death of an elephant for this and that’s
death of an elephant for this and that’s
death of an elephant for this and that’s not okay because when you wear fur from
not okay because when you wear fur from
not okay because when you wear fur from the past you’re saying it’s okay to
the past you’re saying it’s okay to
the past you’re saying it’s okay to scale up demand in the present for that
scale up demand in the present for that
scale up demand in the present for that product a product that is not integral
product a product that is not integral
product a product that is not integral to us or to our survival and so with the
to us or to our survival and so with the
to us or to our survival and so with the ivory crush now I’m trying to suggest
ivory crush now I’m trying to suggest
ivory crush now I’m trying to suggest that we cremate the the crushed raw
that we cremate the the crushed raw
that we cremate the the crushed raw material and use the cremated material
material and use the cremated material
material and use the cremated material to cast a memorial instead of creating a
to cast a memorial instead of creating a
to cast a memorial instead of creating a sculpture of any sort because with a
sculpture of any sort because with a
sculpture of any sort because with a memorial at least you have a space that
memorial at least you have a space that
memorial at least you have a space that people could come to to mourn loss as
people could come to to mourn loss as
people could come to to mourn loss as opposed to just look at something that’s
opposed to just look at something that’s
opposed to just look at something that’s beautiful and supposedly educational and
beautiful and supposedly educational and
beautiful and supposedly educational and it’s like how do you use the right
it’s like how do you use the right
it’s like how do you use the right vocabulary to reach new demographic
vocabulary to reach new demographic
vocabulary to reach new demographic because there’s no point preaching to
because there’s no point preaching to
because there’s no point preaching to the choir and for that you need to
the choir and for that you need to
the choir and for that you need to figure out how you package your
figure out how you package your
figure out how you package your information and what you’re trying to
information and what you’re trying to
information and what you’re trying to say through it so this particular work I
say through it so this particular work I
say through it so this particular work I it’s a peek preview it’s not released
it’s a peek preview it’s not released
it’s a peek preview it’s not released yet and I started working with Derek and
yet and I started working with Derek and
yet and I started working with Derek and Beverly’s jubair who are explorers and
Beverly’s jubair who are explorers and
Beverly’s jubair who are explorers and residents here to cast a light on what’s
residents here to cast a light on what’s
residents here to cast a light on what’s happening to rhinos in Kruger National
happening to rhinos in Kruger National
happening to rhinos in Kruger National Park which is a high perching incidents
Park which is a high perching incidents
Park which is a high perching incidents area and we’re trying to currently
area and we’re trying to currently
area and we’re trying to currently translocate a hundred rhinos from Kruger
translocate a hundred rhinos from Kruger
translocate a hundred rhinos from Kruger to Botswana and so this particular
to Botswana and so this particular
to Botswana and so this particular animation is going to cast a light on
animation is going to cast a light on
animation is going to cast a light on how we can go about you know funding and
how we can go about you know funding and
how we can go about you know funding and helping their efforts on the field
so reinterpreting the Rhino out of the
so reinterpreting the Rhino out of the IO icon reaches engineers like my
IO icon reaches engineers like my
IO icon reaches engineers like my roommates boyfriend who came into the
roommates boyfriend who came into the
roommates boyfriend who came into the room for the first time in his life was
room for the first time in his life was
room for the first time in his life was suddenly awakened and like was actively
suddenly awakened and like was actively
suddenly awakened and like was actively engaged by what was happening two rhinos
engaged by what was happening two rhinos
engaged by what was happening two rhinos for the first time he was asking me
for the first time he was asking me
for the first time he was asking me information about what was happening to
information about what was happening to
information about what was happening to rhinos in Kruger National Park with this
rhinos in Kruger National Park with this
rhinos in Kruger National Park with this particular image I tried to get the cat
particular image I tried to get the cat
particular image I tried to get the cat to stare back to connect to the audience
to stare back to connect to the audience
to stare back to connect to the audience member – to the viewer it’s about
member – to the viewer it’s about
member – to the viewer it’s about extending what the cat can do for itself
extending what the cat can do for itself
extending what the cat can do for itself because it’s its voice it has a voice
because it’s its voice it has a voice
because it’s its voice it has a voice they’re not moistness it’s just that
they’re not moistness it’s just that
they’re not moistness it’s just that we’re not listening
we’re not listening
we’re not listening and with big caps in specific it’s
and with big caps in specific it’s
and with big caps in specific it’s becoming a recent passion of mine simply
becoming a recent passion of mine simply
becoming a recent passion of mine simply because of the way in which we have
because of the way in which we have
because of the way in which we have allowed for a lot of things to happen
allowed for a lot of things to happen
allowed for a lot of things to happen with them and now this model is being
with them and now this model is being
with them and now this model is being suggested as a replicable model for
suggested as a replicable model for
suggested as a replicable model for rhinos and other species to form Tigers
rhinos and other species to form Tigers
rhinos and other species to form Tigers is not okay to farm any wildlife is not
is not okay to farm any wildlife is not
is not okay to farm any wildlife is not okay and we’re just standing by as China
okay and we’re just standing by as China
okay and we’re just standing by as China continues to have Tiger farms upon Tiger
continues to have Tiger farms upon Tiger
continues to have Tiger farms upon Tiger farms Thailand Vietnam and they have
farms Thailand Vietnam and they have
farms Thailand Vietnam and they have 5,000 tigers in captivity right now and
5,000 tigers in captivity right now and
5,000 tigers in captivity right now and they’re kept in appalling conditions
they’re kept in appalling conditions
they’re kept in appalling conditions like sardines in a can so this
like sardines in a can so this
like sardines in a can so this particular trade for Tiger bone wine and
particular trade for Tiger bone wine and
particular trade for Tiger bone wine and tiger bone cake has become a recent
tiger bone cake has become a recent
tiger bone cake has become a recent focus of mine simply because it’s not
focus of mine simply because it’s not
focus of mine simply because it’s not just about Tigers they’re also
just about Tigers they’re also
just about Tigers they’re also harvesting lions in Africa for the bone
harvesting lions in Africa for the bone
harvesting lions in Africa for the bone trade and neither of these things have
trade and neither of these things have
trade and neither of these things have any medicinal value has any kind of
any medicinal value has any kind of
any medicinal value has any kind of value for the human being and honestly
value for the human being and honestly
value for the human being and honestly speaking every single thing that we
speaking every single thing that we
speaking every single thing that we create can have a synthetic version that
create can have a synthetic version that
create can have a synthetic version that is generated in a lab because we’re
is generated in a lab because we’re
is generated in a lab because we’re capable of innovation so it’s really
capable of innovation so it’s really
capable of innovation so it’s really discrediting us and our ability to be
discrediting us and our ability to be
discrediting us and our ability to be the intelligent species we’re not being
the intelligent species we’re not being
the intelligent species we’re not being intelligent at all and every Tiger is
intelligent at all and every Tiger is
intelligent at all and every Tiger is perfect it has to be because it’s the
perfect it has to be because it’s the
perfect it has to be because it’s the only way that it’s going to function in
only way that it’s going to function in
only way that it’s going to function in the ecosystem it was born for to predate
the ecosystem it was born for to predate
the ecosystem it was born for to predate and do what a tiger
and do what a tiger
and do what a tiger only a tiger can do and so to take that
only a tiger can do and so to take that
only a tiger can do and so to take that away from a tiger by replacing the
away from a tiger by replacing the
away from a tiger by replacing the stripes with bars and placing it behind
stripes with bars and placing it behind
stripes with bars and placing it behind those bars is to break the very essence
those bars is to break the very essence
those bars is to break the very essence of a tiger just as we broke the essence
of a tiger just as we broke the essence
of a tiger just as we broke the essence of an orca by placing it within a tank
of an orca by placing it within a tank
of an orca by placing it within a tank and to take that a step further talking
and to take that a step further talking
and to take that a step further talking about how species connect to the land
about how species connect to the land
about how species connect to the land and how they sculpt and change the
and how they sculpt and change the
and how they sculpt and change the fabric of that land and how that land
fabric of that land and how that land
fabric of that land and how that land ties back into the essence and core of a
ties back into the essence and core of a
ties back into the essence and core of a tiger it’s back and forth there’s a
tiger it’s back and forth there’s a
tiger it’s back and forth there’s a there’s a give-and-take in that
there’s a give-and-take in that
there’s a give-and-take in that relationship which we don’t understand
relationship which we don’t understand
relationship which we don’t understand at all so we think we think we can play
at all so we think we think we can play
at all so we think we think we can play sort of God with the entire context
sort of God with the entire context
sort of God with the entire context right we can pull things out put things
right we can pull things out put things
right we can pull things out put things in shoot things down it’s all good it’ll
in shoot things down it’s all good it’ll
in shoot things down it’s all good it’ll recover it’ll figure itself out because
recover it’ll figure itself out because
recover it’ll figure itself out because we know best we don’t know anything and
we know best we don’t know anything and
we know best we don’t know anything and when we don’t have the humility to
when we don’t have the humility to
when we don’t have the humility to acknowledge that so this particular work
acknowledge that so this particular work
acknowledge that so this particular work once again cast a light on sort of how
once again cast a light on sort of how
once again cast a light on sort of how the ecosystem the Savannah the grassland
the ecosystem the Savannah the grassland
the ecosystem the Savannah the grassland is an implicit part of a line so it’s
is an implicit part of a line so it’s
is an implicit part of a line so it’s all is a very tricky term to use because
all is a very tricky term to use because
all is a very tricky term to use because it has religious connotations but like
it has religious connotations but like
it has religious connotations but like there is a larger sense of self and
there is a larger sense of self and
there is a larger sense of self and being within an animal that should be
being within an animal that should be
being within an animal that should be acknowledged and tying that back into
acknowledged and tying that back into
acknowledged and tying that back into the idea of you know are we willing to
the idea of you know are we willing to
the idea of you know are we willing to be clear in our communication about how
be clear in our communication about how
be clear in our communication about how we grant certain rights and personhood
we grant certain rights and personhood
we grant certain rights and personhood to ourselves even to our corporations
to ourselves even to our corporations
to ourselves even to our corporations but not willing to extend that towards
but not willing to extend that towards
but not willing to extend that towards animals we keep them in vertical bars
animals we keep them in vertical bars
animals we keep them in vertical bars and vertical stripes but we keep
and vertical stripes but we keep
and vertical stripes but we keep horizontal stripes and freedom for
horizontal stripes and freedom for
horizontal stripes and freedom for ourselves and why is that why do we have
ourselves and why is that why do we have
ourselves and why is that why do we have this bifurcated view of how we associate
this bifurcated view of how we associate
this bifurcated view of how we associate with our own selves because technically
with our own selves because technically
with our own selves because technically speaking this is all part of a
speaking this is all part of a
speaking this is all part of a biological and evolutionary development
biological and evolutionary development
biological and evolutionary development this is our story and we’re just
this is our story and we’re just
this is our story and we’re just fragmenting parts of ourselves and
fragmenting parts of ourselves and
fragmenting parts of ourselves and saying that we can’t afford those rights
saying that we can’t afford those rights
saying that we can’t afford those rights and extend those rights to other beings
and extend those rights to other beings
and extend those rights to other beings and that’s just incomplete as a picture
and that’s just incomplete as a picture
and that’s just incomplete as a picture so these images again show that we’ve
so these images again show that we’ve
so these images again show that we’ve taken the voice away from wildlife but
taken the voice away from wildlife but
taken the voice away from wildlife but we managed to take a stand for ourselves
we managed to take a stand for ourselves
we managed to take a stand for ourselves so everything happens in relation to us
so everything happens in relation to us
so everything happens in relation to us and currently there’s a court case going
and currently there’s a court case going
and currently there’s a court case going on – basically cast a light on the need
on – basically cast a light on the need
on – basically cast a light on the need to impart rights to animals at least to
to impart rights to animals at least to
to impart rights to animals at least to certain animals that have been proved to
certain animals that have been proved to
certain animals that have been proved to have higher cognitive functions so
have higher cognitive functions so
have higher cognitive functions so cetaceans elephants and great apes so
cetaceans elephants and great apes so
cetaceans elephants and great apes so this is about giving equality to both
this is about giving equality to both
this is about giving equality to both man and ape and the reason why I did it
man and ape and the reason why I did it
man and ape and the reason why I did it in blue and red is for the Republican
in blue and red is for the Republican
in blue and red is for the Republican and Democratic vote and the image to the
and Democratic vote and the image to the
and Democratic vote and the image to the other side is called deep rooted truths
other side is called deep rooted truths
other side is called deep rooted truths because it connects
because it connects
because it connects to the tree of life and also to the DNA
to the tree of life and also to the DNA
to the tree of life and also to the DNA the helix that shows our evolution and
the helix that shows our evolution and
the helix that shows our evolution and how we connect to nature on sort of an
how we connect to nature on sort of an
how we connect to nature on sort of an inherent cellular level and that we are
inherent cellular level and that we are
inherent cellular level and that we are in balance with a much larger system if
in balance with a much larger system if
in balance with a much larger system if we choose to be and this particular
we choose to be and this particular
we choose to be and this particular image I actually created as part of the
image I actually created as part of the
image I actually created as part of the same series so you’ll notice the same
same series so you’ll notice the same
same series so you’ll notice the same colors you know trickling through and
colors you know trickling through and
colors you know trickling through and trickling across and the reason why I
trickling across and the reason why I
trickling across and the reason why I created this was because I went on a
created this was because I went on a
created this was because I went on a dive in Isla Mujeres and I saw a silent
dive in Isla Mujeres and I saw a silent
dive in Isla Mujeres and I saw a silent evolution which is an artwork of
evolution which is an artwork of
evolution which is an artwork of sculptures that have been dropped into
sculptures that have been dropped into
sculptures that have been dropped into the ocean and the byrock allows for
the ocean and the byrock allows for
the ocean and the byrock allows for corals to grow on it and I love the way
corals to grow on it and I love the way
corals to grow on it and I love the way in which life found expression again on
in which life found expression again on
in which life found expression again on a human form and extended from the human
a human form and extended from the human
a human form and extended from the human form and reached back into its ecosystem
form and reached back into its ecosystem
form and reached back into its ecosystem and interacted with other species so I
and interacted with other species so I
and interacted with other species so I found this way of showing that we’re all
found this way of showing that we’re all
found this way of showing that we’re all made of the same stuff and that we all
made of the same stuff and that we all
made of the same stuff and that we all flow in and out of one another for me we
flow in and out of one another for me we
flow in and out of one another for me we were awake for it and tying that further
were awake for it and tying that further
were awake for it and tying that further into the cladogram so it’s sort of our
into the cladogram so it’s sort of our
into the cladogram so it’s sort of our lineage and our larger stories so this
lineage and our larger stories so this
lineage and our larger stories so this is where we come from this is who we are
is where we come from this is who we are
is where we come from this is who we are and if it was a part of our past it
and if it was a part of our past it
and if it was a part of our past it should be part of our present and future
should be part of our present and future
should be part of our present and future and so by granting these rights to wild
and so by granting these rights to wild
and so by granting these rights to wild what we’re doing is acknowledging who we
what we’re doing is acknowledging who we
what we’re doing is acknowledging who we really are
really are
really are and granting those rights in its
and granting those rights in its
and granting those rights in its entirety to ourselves in the end I think
entirety to ourselves in the end I think
entirety to ourselves in the end I think the reason why I do everything that I do
the reason why I do everything that I do
the reason why I do everything that I do is because I want to influence the one
is because I want to influence the one
is because I want to influence the one thing that I know will have impact on on
thing that I know will have impact on on
thing that I know will have impact on on nature and the fate of nature going
nature and the fate of nature going
nature and the fate of nature going forward and that’s you so if you don’t
forward and that’s you so if you don’t
forward and that’s you so if you don’t hold yourselves accountable and you
hold yourselves accountable and you
hold yourselves accountable and you don’t plug yourselves into this dialogue
don’t plug yourselves into this dialogue
don’t plug yourselves into this dialogue there is no hope you can have numerous
there is no hope you can have numerous
there is no hope you can have numerous people coming up here and giving these
people coming up here and giving these
people coming up here and giving these speeches but that doesn’t translate into
speeches but that doesn’t translate into
speeches but that doesn’t translate into anything unless you yourself get
anything unless you yourself get
anything unless you yourself get involved and stop part-timing
involved and stop part-timing
involved and stop part-timing conservation thank you
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