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undoubtedly the biggest disaster in

undoubtedly the biggest disaster in mainly burger short history was the

mainly burger short history was the

mainly burger short history was the Mumford & Sons concert in the August of

Mumford & Sons concert in the August of

Mumford & Sons concert in the August of 2012 our first summer in business we had

2012 our first summer in business we had

2012 our first summer in business we had this grandiose plan expand our menu

this grandiose plan expand our menu

this grandiose plan expand our menu including the introduction of hand cut

including the introduction of hand cut

including the introduction of hand cut fries and to serve a thousand guests

fries and to serve a thousand guests

fries and to serve a thousand guests there were five of us on the truck that

there were five of us on the truck that

there were five of us on the truck that day hungry to serve the 15,000 plus

day hungry to serve the 15,000 plus

day hungry to serve the 15,000 plus people on the eastern prom we should

people on the eastern prom we should

people on the eastern prom we should also mention we had abandoned our

also mention we had abandoned our

also mention we had abandoned our scarborough beach post on one of the

scarborough beach post on one of the

scarborough beach post on one of the busiest days of the year leaving only

busiest days of the year leaving only

busiest days of the year leaving only the concession stand open run by an

the concession stand open run by an

the concession stand open run by an untrained new employee back to mumford

untrained new employee back to mumford

untrained new employee back to mumford we had run out of her hand cut fries in

we had run out of her hand cut fries in

we had run out of her hand cut fries in 30 minutes and we still had eight hours

30 minutes and we still had eight hours

30 minutes and we still had eight hours to go we were screwed and the line oh my

to go we were screwed and the line oh my

to go we were screwed and the line oh my goodness the line it was like being on

goodness the line it was like being on

goodness the line it was like being on the ocean searching for laying in the

the ocean searching for laying in the

the ocean searching for laying in the horizon and just never seeing it about

horizon and just never seeing it about

horizon and just never seeing it about halfway through the concert we had an

halfway through the concert we had an

halfway through the concert we had an unexpected grease fire there were 40

unexpected grease fire there were 40

unexpected grease fire there were 40 orders up and another 300 people in line

orders up and another 300 people in line

orders up and another 300 people in line I was on the griddle when it happened I

I was on the griddle when it happened I

I was on the griddle when it happened I froze like a deer in the headlights

froze like a deer in the headlights

froze like a deer in the headlights eventually I grabbed the fire

eventually I grabbed the fire

eventually I grabbed the fire extinguisher squeeze the trigger nothing

extinguisher squeeze the trigger nothing

extinguisher squeeze the trigger nothing I had never used a fire extinguisher

I had never used a fire extinguisher

I had never used a fire extinguisher before how am I supposed to know how it

before how am I supposed to know how it

before how am I supposed to know how it works max finally yelled pull the pin

works max finally yelled pull the pin

works max finally yelled pull the pin pull the pin the fire was out we clean

pull the pin the fire was out we clean

pull the pin the fire was out we clean wash sanitized everything and changed

wash sanitized everything and changed

wash sanitized everything and changed our fryer oil all the while I was

our fryer oil all the while I was

our fryer oil all the while I was talking with guests attempting to draw

talking with guests attempting to draw

talking with guests attempting to draw their eye away from an engulfing flame

the day ended with just as much

the day ended with just as much awfulness as it began we ran out of food

awfulness as it began we ran out of food

awfulness as it began we ran out of food with 200 people left in line I had to go

with 200 people left in line I had to go

with 200 people left in line I had to go outside I do I’ll add to explain that we

outside I do I’ll add to explain that we

outside I do I’ll add to explain that we were closing and go outside to retrieve

were closing and go outside to retrieve

were closing and go outside to retrieve the menu I actually considered asking

the menu I actually considered asking

the menu I actually considered asking for a police escort to put things mildly

for a police escort to put things mildly

for a police escort to put things mildly it was a cluster cuss we didn’t come

it was a cluster cuss we didn’t come

it was a cluster cuss we didn’t come close to reaching our goal even the

close to reaching our goal even the

close to reaching our goal even the concert organizer was surprised with how

concert organizer was surprised with how

concert organizer was surprised with how poorly we did on top of that the

poorly we did on top of that the

poorly we did on top of that the scarborough beach management team was

scarborough beach management team was

scarborough beach management team was justifiably upset that we missed the

justifiably upset that we missed the

justifiably upset that we missed the busiest day of the year the next morning

busiest day of the year the next morning

busiest day of the year the next morning our parents excitedly asked us how the

our parents excitedly asked us how the

our parents excitedly asked us how the event went max I liked is it didn’t go

event went max I liked is it didn’t go

event went max I liked is it didn’t go great a mom in the temp to have levity

great a mom in the temp to have levity

great a mom in the temp to have levity to the situation said well at least you

to the situation said well at least you

to the situation said well at least you didn’t have a fire it was one of many

didn’t have a fire it was one of many

didn’t have a fire it was one of many business mess ups we had failed the idea

business mess ups we had failed the idea

business mess ups we had failed the idea of mainly burgers started when i was a

of mainly burgers started when i was a

of mainly burgers started when i was a freshman at boston college it started as

freshman at boston college it started as

freshman at boston college it started as an escape I was unhappy and then

an escape I was unhappy and then

an escape I was unhappy and then nutshell I was homesick I miss my

nutshell I was homesick I miss my

nutshell I was homesick I miss my parents family friends and most of all

parents family friends and most of all

parents family friends and most of all Cape Elizabeth for a fun diversion I’ll

Cape Elizabeth for a fun diversion I’ll

Cape Elizabeth for a fun diversion I’ll meet one of my closest friends Ben

meet one of my closest friends Ben

meet one of my closest friends Ben Berman at food trucks around the city we

Berman at food trucks around the city we

Berman at food trucks around the city we would talk about school and reminisce

would talk about school and reminisce

would talk about school and reminisce about the good old days in Cape we began

about the good old days in Cape we began

about the good old days in Cape we began to talk about our summer plans and what

to talk about our summer plans and what

to talk about our summer plans and what we were going to do we wanted to go home

we were going to do we wanted to go home

we were going to do we wanted to go home for the summer but we still were trying

for the summer but we still were trying

for the summer but we still were trying to figure out what would that be I

to figure out what would that be I

to figure out what would that be I mentioned to my parents that there’s an

mentioned to my parents that there’s an

mentioned to my parents that there’s an opportunity for food trucks in Maine and

opportunity for food trucks in Maine and

opportunity for food trucks in Maine and that Ben and I had an interested in

that Ben and I had an interested in

that Ben and I had an interested in opening one my dad suggested that we

opening one my dad suggested that we

opening one my dad suggested that we write a business plan and then we could

write a business plan and then we could

write a business plan and then we could talk about it in further detail I stayed

talk about it in further detail I stayed

talk about it in further detail I stayed focus on my bc studies and in my spare

focus on my bc studies and in my spare

focus on my bc studies and in my spare time thought about this food truck idea

time thought about this food truck idea

time thought about this food truck idea what would be on our menu board our name

what would be on our menu board our name

what would be on our menu board our name be how do we even run a business thought

be how do we even run a business thought

be how do we even run a business thought soon became action and we had formed a

soon became action and we had formed a

soon became action and we had formed a corporation designed our truck and

corporation designed our truck and

corporation designed our truck and secure the location at scarborough beach

secure the location at scarborough beach

secure the location at scarborough beach my story’s a little bit different than

my story’s a little bit different than

my story’s a little bit different than Jack my freshman sophomore year I went

Jack my freshman sophomore year I went

Jack my freshman sophomore year I went to Gould Academy in bethel maine at

to Gould Academy in bethel maine at

to Gould Academy in bethel maine at Google I was max for the first time I

Google I was max for the first time I

Google I was max for the first time I wasn’t the younger cousin or brother or

wasn’t the younger cousin or brother or

wasn’t the younger cousin or brother or brother of a Barbara that had gone

brother of a Barbara that had gone

brother of a Barbara that had gone through the Cape system I went to Google

through the Cape system I went to Google

through the Cape system I went to Google with the focus on skiing in college

with the focus on skiing in college

with the focus on skiing in college after an assortment of injuries I

after an assortment of injuries I

after an assortment of injuries I realized that the school wasn’t the

realized that the school wasn’t the

realized that the school wasn’t the right recipe it was an amazing

right recipe it was an amazing

right recipe it was an amazing experience in so many ways in addition

experience in so many ways in addition

experience in so many ways in addition of being on snow every day during the

of being on snow every day during the

of being on snow every day during the ski season I had the opportunity to do a

ski season I had the opportunity to do a

ski season I had the opportunity to do a homestay in China and meet friends from

homestay in China and meet friends from

homestay in China and meet friends from all over the world I suffer from two

all over the world I suffer from two

all over the world I suffer from two concussions which dashed my dreams are

concussions which dashed my dreams are

concussions which dashed my dreams are becoming a division-one skier I miss my

becoming a division-one skier I miss my

becoming a division-one skier I miss my friends I miss my family and my parents

friends I miss my family and my parents

friends I miss my family and my parents miss me it was around this time it was

miss me it was around this time it was

miss me it was around this time it was around this time that I learned out that

around this time that I learned out that

around this time that I learned out that I figured out about Ben and Jack’s

I figured out about Ben and Jack’s

I figured out about Ben and Jack’s incredible idea

incredible idea

incredible idea I’ve been involved in conversations

I’ve been involved in conversations

I’ve been involved in conversations about the business plan and menu and

about the business plan and menu and

about the business plan and menu and food and so on it was fun my brother and

food and so on it was fun my brother and

food and so on it was fun my brother and his friend were going to start a food

his friend were going to start a food

his friend were going to start a food truck and I was ready to hop on board

truck and I was ready to hop on board

truck and I was ready to hop on board sure enough my first few days home for

sure enough my first few days home for

sure enough my first few days home for the summer a food truck from Florida

the summer a food truck from Florida

the summer a food truck from Florida showed up in our backyard in Cape

showed up in our backyard in Cape

showed up in our backyard in Cape Elizabeth Jack and Ben were still at

Elizabeth Jack and Ben were still at

Elizabeth Jack and Ben were still at school Sam Berman you and I were the

school Sam Berman you and I were the

school Sam Berman you and I were the only ones there it was at that moment

only ones there it was at that moment

only ones there it was at that moment seeing mainly burgers in our house at

seeing mainly burgers in our house at

seeing mainly burgers in our house at Cape Elizabeth that I realized that

Cape Elizabeth that I realized that

Cape Elizabeth that I realized that coming home was a great decision let’s

coming home was a great decision let’s

coming home was a great decision let’s talk about the trucks although we had

talk about the trucks although we had

talk about the trucks although we had some business and a little cooking

some business and a little cooking

some business and a little cooking experience it’s safe to say we had

experience it’s safe to say we had

experience it’s safe to say we had thrown ourselves into the fire as

thrown ourselves into the fire as

thrown ourselves into the fire as matched to the test our first day of

matched to the test our first day of

matched to the test our first day of Scarborough Beach was a mess it was a

Scarborough Beach was a mess it was a

Scarborough Beach was a mess it was a non-stock grind but at the end of the

non-stock grind but at the end of the

non-stock grind but at the end of the day we had come out on top I was eager

day we had come out on top I was eager

day we had come out on top I was eager to get to work but I had to be patient I

to get to work but I had to be patient I

to get to work but I had to be patient I learned how Jack and Ben managed that

learned how Jack and Ben managed that

learned how Jack and Ben managed that managed employees in the business

managed employees in the business

managed employees in the business understanding which methods were most

understanding which methods were most

understanding which methods were most successful like most new employees I

successful like most new employees I

successful like most new employees I start on the register understanding the

start on the register understanding the

start on the register understanding the importance of flexibility and customer

importance of flexibility and customer

importance of flexibility and customer service from the get-go to quote dj

service from the get-go to quote dj

service from the get-go to quote dj khaled it was a major key to success we

khaled it was a major key to success we

khaled it was a major key to success we the best at the end of the summer the

the best at the end of the summer the

the best at the end of the summer the mainly burgers crew was excited to

mainly burgers crew was excited to

mainly burgers crew was excited to announce that we would be returning for

announce that we would be returning for

announce that we would be returning for year 2 with that awesome momentum from

year 2 with that awesome momentum from

year 2 with that awesome momentum from year one and the passing of the Portland

year one and the passing of the Portland

year one and the passing of the Portland food truck coordinates we decide to

food truck coordinates we decide to

food truck coordinates we decide to expand our fleet we added a second

expand our fleet we added a second

expand our fleet we added a second burger truck named her to point out and

burger truck named her to point out and

burger truck named her to point out and hastily in the middle of the summer we

hastily in the middle of the summer we

hastily in the middle of the summer we added an ice cream truck called mainly

added an ice cream truck called mainly

added an ice cream truck called mainly treats our team also expanded from six

treats our team also expanded from six

treats our team also expanded from six the year before 215 we were giving our

the year before 215 we were giving our

the year before 215 we were giving our team more input into the business but

team more input into the business but

team more input into the business but we’re still doing too much with so many

we’re still doing too much with so many

we’re still doing too much with so many moving pieces we lost sight of some of

moving pieces we lost sight of some of

moving pieces we lost sight of some of the most important parts of the business

the most important parts of the business

the most important parts of the business most importantly cash we were prepping

most importantly cash we were prepping

most importantly cash we were prepping for the fourth of July we had all three

for the fourth of July we had all three

for the fourth of July we had all three trucks rolling out it was going to be a

trucks rolling out it was going to be a

trucks rolling out it was going to be a huge day I gone to the bank to get

huge day I gone to the bank to get

huge day I gone to the bank to get changed and imagine my surprise when the

changed and imagine my surprise when the

changed and imagine my surprise when the bank teller told me we had no money to

bank teller told me we had no money to

bank teller told me we had no money to withdraw in fact we were over draw we

withdraw in fact we were over draw we

withdraw in fact we were over draw we had spread ourselves too thin and our

had spread ourselves too thin and our

had spread ourselves too thin and our business had suffered luckily we found

business had suffered luckily we found

business had suffered luckily we found some change for the 4th ended up having

some change for the 4th ended up having

some change for the 4th ended up having a pretty good day at the other year to

a pretty good day at the other year to

a pretty good day at the other year to weed expanded greatly but we were losing

weed expanded greatly but we were losing

weed expanded greatly but we were losing money on the year three at the end of

money on the year three at the end of

money on the year three at the end of the year

the year

the year been received word that he was going to

been received word that he was going to

been received word that he was going to get the internship that he really wanted

get the internship that he really wanted

get the internship that he really wanted I could not have been more happy for bed

I could not have been more happy for bed

I could not have been more happy for bed but I realized that the business was

but I realized that the business was

but I realized that the business was going to face a strategic challenge and

going to face a strategic challenge and

going to face a strategic challenge and replacing him luckily max was waiting in

replacing him luckily max was waiting in

replacing him luckily max was waiting in the wings ready to take on more of a

the wings ready to take on more of a

the wings ready to take on more of a leadership role we were both at babson i

leadership role we were both at babson i

leadership role we were both at babson i was a freshman Jack a junior and guess

was a freshman Jack a junior and guess

was a freshman Jack a junior and guess what we pivoted again this time we

what we pivoted again this time we

what we pivoted again this time we focused to point o and mainly treats on

focused to point o and mainly treats on

focused to point o and mainly treats on private catering and community events

private catering and community events

private catering and community events the beach was doing well and we had

the beach was doing well and we had

the beach was doing well and we had built a strong presence all of a sudden

built a strong presence all of a sudden

built a strong presence all of a sudden our calendar was full Jack and I put

our calendar was full Jack and I put

our calendar was full Jack and I put together an amazing team and we humped

together an amazing team and we humped

together an amazing team and we humped becoming the best customer service

becoming the best customer service

becoming the best customer service orientated food truck in Maine we were

orientated food truck in Maine we were

orientated food truck in Maine we were giving our employees more management

giving our employees more management

giving our employees more management opportunities in operations and social

opportunities in operations and social

opportunities in operations and social media I would quickly learn the ropes

media I would quickly learn the ropes

media I would quickly learn the ropes and understood how much my role had

and understood how much my role had

and understood how much my role had changed the work hours to come here for

changed the work hours to come here for

changed the work hours to come here for we hit on all cylinders as brothers and

we hit on all cylinders as brothers and

we hit on all cylinders as brothers and now business partners we quickly found

now business partners we quickly found

now business partners we quickly found our groove the business was clicking and

our groove the business was clicking and

our groove the business was clicking and this gave us more time to play around

this gave us more time to play around

this gave us more time to play around with food our favorite thing at the

with food our favorite thing at the

with food our favorite thing at the beginning of our fifth year I was

beginning of our fifth year I was

beginning of our fifth year I was graduating from babson college and

graduating from babson college and

graduating from babson college and trying to figure what I was going to do

trying to figure what I was going to do

trying to figure what I was going to do with my life sports & Finance were at

with my life sports & Finance were at

with my life sports & Finance were at the top of my list and mainly burgers

the top of my list and mainly burgers

the top of my list and mainly burgers wasn’t even really on it my career pivot

wasn’t even really on it my career pivot

wasn’t even really on it my career pivot happened when a financial professional

happened when a financial professional

happened when a financial professional interviewing me ala blue said if you

interviewing me ala blue said if you

interviewing me ala blue said if you have any thoughts about expanding your

have any thoughts about expanding your

have any thoughts about expanding your business you better do it now because at

business you better do it now because at

business you better do it now because at my age you certainly won’t have the time

my age you certainly won’t have the time

my age you certainly won’t have the time for it this made me think and take a

for it this made me think and take a

for it this made me think and take a step back and after discussing with Max

step back and after discussing with Max

step back and after discussing with Max and my parents we decided to go forward

and my parents we decided to go forward

and my parents we decided to go forward we’re expanding mainly burgers with

we’re expanding mainly burgers with

we’re expanding mainly burgers with mainly burgers becoming more real we had

mainly burgers becoming more real we had

mainly burgers becoming more real we had to make some serious changes the first

to make some serious changes the first

to make some serious changes the first was rebranding we design a new website

was rebranding we design a new website

was rebranding we design a new website and built a new logo the Portland

and built a new logo the Portland

and built a new logo the Portland operation also experienced significant

operation also experienced significant

operation also experienced significant change with Jack staying in Boston to

change with Jack staying in Boston to

change with Jack staying in Boston to open the restaurant for the first time I

open the restaurant for the first time I

open the restaurant for the first time I was solely responsible for running the

was solely responsible for running the

was solely responsible for running the trucks it was overwhelming and

trucks it was overwhelming and

trucks it was overwhelming and frustrating at first it didn’t come easy

frustrating at first it didn’t come easy

frustrating at first it didn’t come easy but in the end to the help of a close

but in the end to the help of a close

but in the end to the help of a close friend and a strong crew many of whom I

friend and a strong crew many of whom I

friend and a strong crew many of whom I see in this crowd mainly burgers had

see in this crowd mainly burgers had

see in this crowd mainly burgers had another successful season without max

another successful season without max

another successful season without max taking over sole duty to the trucks we

taking over sole duty to the trucks we

taking over sole duty to the trucks we would have never been able to open the

would have never been able to open the

would have never been able to open the restaurant

restaurant

restaurant it was a whole new animal relying on

it was a whole new animal relying on

it was a whole new animal relying on family trusted advisors and a great

family trusted advisors and a great

family trusted advisors and a great building and design team we got the

building and design team we got the

building and design team we got the restaurant opened in August right on

restaurant opened in August right on

restaurant opened in August right on time hiring in Cambridge was also

time hiring in Cambridge was also

time hiring in Cambridge was also completely different no longer was a

completely different no longer was a

completely different no longer was a seasonal business we couldn’t rely on

seasonal business we couldn’t rely on

seasonal business we couldn’t rely on high school and college students anymore

high school and college students anymore

high school and college students anymore we formed a core team found great people

we formed a core team found great people

we formed a core team found great people that have made our storefront a success

that have made our storefront a success

that have made our storefront a success never did I think that middle and high

never did I think that middle and high

never did I think that middle and high school Spanish could be so important

school Spanish could be so important

school Spanish could be so important it’s the primary language we speak in

it’s the primary language we speak in

it’s the primary language we speak in the back of house and in Cambridge I

the back of house and in Cambridge I

the back of house and in Cambridge I just brought us together in so many ways

just brought us together in so many ways

just brought us together in so many ways and is made a huge difference so gracias

and is made a huge difference so gracias

and is made a huge difference so gracias profesor des a large component of our

profesor des a large component of our

profesor des a large component of our Babson education focuses on

Babson education focuses on

Babson education focuses on entrepreneurship whether you’re building

entrepreneurship whether you’re building

entrepreneurship whether you’re building a business from scratch or developing

a business from scratch or developing

a business from scratch or developing your people to think and act with

your people to think and act with

your people to think and act with entrepreneurial spirit the idea is to

entrepreneurial spirit the idea is to

entrepreneurial spirit the idea is to think on your feet when you need to like

think on your feet when you need to like

think on your feet when you need to like when you get a flat tire ten minutes

when you get a flat tire ten minutes

when you get a flat tire ten minutes before an event or to take the time to

before an event or to take the time to

before an event or to take the time to do detailed menu analysis how much does

do detailed menu analysis how much does

do detailed menu analysis how much does that excuse a much cost us to make we

that excuse a much cost us to make we

that excuse a much cost us to make we are very lucky to come from a family

are very lucky to come from a family

are very lucky to come from a family that loves food and one that has food

that loves food and one that has food

that loves food and one that has food businesses on both our mom and dad’s

businesses on both our mom and dad’s

businesses on both our mom and dad’s side we joke around and say that we

side we joke around and say that we

side we joke around and say that we share the food gene their work ethic and

share the food gene their work ethic and

share the food gene their work ethic and challenges they had to deal with we saw

challenges they had to deal with we saw

challenges they had to deal with we saw firsthand since the beginning maybe

firsthand since the beginning maybe

firsthand since the beginning maybe burgers have employed over 60 people

burgers have employed over 60 people

burgers have employed over 60 people mostly Cape kids we couldn’t be more

mostly Cape kids we couldn’t be more

mostly Cape kids we couldn’t be more proud of what our team’s been able to

proud of what our team’s been able to

proud of what our team’s been able to accomplish Max and I talk about a lot

accomplish Max and I talk about a lot

accomplish Max and I talk about a lot about family literally and figuratively

about family literally and figuratively

about family literally and figuratively we wouldn’t be here today without both

we wouldn’t be here today without both

we wouldn’t be here today without both and what we do isn’t glamorous it’s a

and what we do isn’t glamorous it’s a

and what we do isn’t glamorous it’s a ton of work and it’s definitely not the

ton of work and it’s definitely not the

ton of work and it’s definitely not the direction we saw ourselves going in but

direction we saw ourselves going in but

direction we saw ourselves going in but we love what we do here’s this little

we love what we do here’s this little

we love what we do here’s this little company in Maine and now Cambridge that

company in Maine and now Cambridge that

company in Maine and now Cambridge that the Boston Globe quoted being good

the Boston Globe quoted being good

the Boston Globe quoted being good enough to take on competition imagine

enough to take on competition imagine

enough to take on competition imagine that we believe what differentiates us

that we believe what differentiates us

that we believe what differentiates us are our core values are strong sense of

are our core values are strong sense of

are our core values are strong sense of community and the dynamic people that

community and the dynamic people that

community and the dynamic people that make up our team mainly burgers allows

make up our team mainly burgers allows

make up our team mainly burgers allows us to bring people together in more ways

us to bring people together in more ways

us to bring people together in more ways than just burgers and fries community

than just burgers and fries community

than just burgers and fries community events in Portland in Cambridge have

events in Portland in Cambridge have

events in Portland in Cambridge have allowed us to build a much stronger more

allowed us to build a much stronger more

allowed us to build a much stronger more meaningful business than one that

meaningful business than one that

meaningful business than one that focuses on number

focuses on number

focuses on number look we don’t know what lies ahead but

look we don’t know what lies ahead but

look we don’t know what lies ahead but here’s what we’ve learned one life is

here’s what we’ve learned one life is

here’s what we’ve learned one life is rarely a straight road learn to pivot

rarely a straight road learn to pivot

rarely a straight road learn to pivot hopefully before change becomes

hopefully before change becomes

hopefully before change becomes necessary to social good giving back

necessary to social good giving back

necessary to social good giving back doing good for others is a gift and

doing good for others is a gift and

doing good for others is a gift and finally three to top off the sandwich

finally three to top off the sandwich

finally three to top off the sandwich you have to work hard in order to play

you have to work hard in order to play

you have to work hard in order to play hard on behalf of Jack and I I would

hard on behalf of Jack and I I would

hard on behalf of Jack and I I would like to thank you for this opportunity

like to thank you for this opportunity

like to thank you for this opportunity and we’ll see you all this summer

and we’ll see you all this summer

and we’ll see you all this summer trumpet guy

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