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hello hello to all you brain geeks out
hello hello to all you brain geeks out there tuning in for the brain games
there tuning in for the brain games
there tuning in for the brain games hangout today we have kind of a loosely
hangout today we have kind of a loosely
hangout today we have kind of a loosely structured thing prepared for you with
structured thing prepared for you with
structured thing prepared for you with three participants including me I’m
three participants including me I’m
three participants including me I’m Ginny Hughes the blogger from national
Ginny Hughes the blogger from national
Ginny Hughes the blogger from national Geographics phenomena science salon I
Geographics phenomena science salon I
Geographics phenomena science salon I write about the brain and genetics and
write about the brain and genetics and
write about the brain and genetics and other human stuff and so with me today
other human stuff and so with me today
other human stuff and so with me today we have Jason Silva who’s the host of
we have Jason Silva who’s the host of
we have Jason Silva who’s the host of national Geographics brain games really
national Geographics brain games really
national Geographics brain games really popular TV show hi Jason hi how’s it
popular TV show hi Jason hi how’s it
popular TV show hi Jason hi how’s it going great to be here guys yeah and
going great to be here guys yeah and
going great to be here guys yeah and then we also have Amy Robinson who is a
then we also have Amy Robinson who is a
then we also have Amy Robinson who is a creative director at MIT works in a
creative director at MIT works in a
creative director at MIT works in a computational neuroscience lab hi hi
computational neuroscience lab hi hi
computational neuroscience lab hi hi everyone how’s it going good so Amy’s in
everyone how’s it going good so Amy’s in
everyone how’s it going good so Amy’s in her apartment in Cambridge near Boston
her apartment in Cambridge near Boston
her apartment in Cambridge near Boston and Jason you’re in Manhattan at the
and Jason you’re in Manhattan at the
and Jason you’re in Manhattan at the NatGeo offices right that’s right they
NatGeo offices right that’s right they
NatGeo offices right that’s right they were kind enough to give me a room
were kind enough to give me a room
were kind enough to give me a room through the Hangout for him it looks
through the Hangout for him it looks
through the Hangout for him it looks very bright and cheery in there right
very bright and cheery in there right
very bright and cheery in there right yes this is a nice nice light coming in
yes this is a nice nice light coming in
yes this is a nice nice light coming in so hopefully some all right so today
so hopefully some all right so today
so hopefully some all right so today we’re supposed to talk about how the
we’re supposed to talk about how the
we’re supposed to talk about how the brain works and other cool stuff about
brain works and other cool stuff about
brain works and other cool stuff about the brain and I hear that Jason you
the brain and I hear that Jason you
the brain and I hear that Jason you wanted to start by trying to trick me
wanted to start by trying to trick me
wanted to start by trying to trick me and Amy yes
and Amy yes
and Amy yes I mean first I’d love to tell you just a
I mean first I’d love to tell you just a
I mean first I’d love to tell you just a little bit about brain games in general
little bit about brain games in general
little bit about brain games in general for those but um so you know brain games
for those but um so you know brain games
for those but um so you know brain games is an interesting experiment because
is an interesting experiment because
is an interesting experiment because it’s this pop science series about the
it’s this pop science series about the
it’s this pop science series about the brain that basically uses these kind of
brain that basically uses these kind of
brain that basically uses these kind of perceptual experiments these kind of
perceptual experiments these kind of
perceptual experiments these kind of brain hacks and optical illusions and so
brain hacks and optical illusions and so
brain hacks and optical illusions and so on and so forth
on and so forth
on and so forth to basically create a crack in your
to basically create a crack in your
to basically create a crack in your perception of reality I mean we want the
perception of reality I mean we want the
perception of reality I mean we want the show
show
show through the use of these games to create
through the use of these games to create
through the use of these games to create a feeling of doubt in people to
a feeling of doubt in people to
a feeling of doubt in people to highlight the kind of the shortcomings
highlight the kind of the shortcomings
highlight the kind of the shortcomings and how your brain perceives reality and
and how your brain perceives reality and
and how your brain perceives reality and through that kind of feeling of just wow
through that kind of feeling of just wow
through that kind of feeling of just wow what you see is not always what you get
what you see is not always what you get
what you see is not always what you get hopefully it serves as a hook to make
hopefully it serves as a hook to make
hopefully it serves as a hook to make you want to learn about your brain and
you want to learn about your brain and
you want to learn about your brain and about neuroscience you know what I mean
about neuroscience you know what I mean
about neuroscience you know what I mean because I mean on the one hand the brain
because I mean on the one hand the brain
because I mean on the one hand the brain is the most complicated object in the
is the most complicated object in the
is the most complicated object in the known universe right we haven’t found
known universe right we haven’t found
known universe right we haven’t found anything that is more complex in the
anything that is more complex in the
anything that is more complex in the human brain and yet it’s also
human brain and yet it’s also
human brain and yet it’s also surprisingly surprisingly easy to fool
surprisingly surprisingly easy to fool
surprisingly surprisingly easy to fool so I think that that is a kind of
so I think that that is a kind of
so I think that that is a kind of interesting juxtaposition is there such
interesting juxtaposition is there such
interesting juxtaposition is there such complexity but then at the same time
complexity but then at the same time
complexity but then at the same time there’s all these ways in which we can
there’s all these ways in which we can
there’s all these ways in which we can highlight the ways in which the brain is
highlight the ways in which the brain is
highlight the ways in which the brain is limited and I think it’s very relevant
limited and I think it’s very relevant
limited and I think it’s very relevant because you know you have Obama’s brain
because you know you have Obama’s brain
because you know you have Obama’s brain mapping initiative going on you have the
mapping initiative going on you have the
mapping initiative going on you have the European there’s Europe they’re spending
European there’s Europe they’re spending
European there’s Europe they’re spending a billion dollars to reverse-engineer
a billion dollars to reverse-engineer
a billion dollars to reverse-engineer the brain so you know the brain is hot
the brain so you know the brain is hot
the brain so you know the brain is hot stuff you know there’s a lot we don’t
stuff you know there’s a lot we don’t
stuff you know there’s a lot we don’t know about the brain but there’s more
know about the brain but there’s more
know about the brain but there’s more and more than we do know about it and so
and more than we do know about it and so
and more than we do know about it and so that’s why I’m very just excited to be
that’s why I’m very just excited to be
that’s why I’m very just excited to be you know doing this show and putting out
you know doing this show and putting out
you know doing this show and putting out you know more and more of these brainy
you know more and more of these brainy
you know more and more of these brainy notions into the world so it’s good yeah
notions into the world so it’s good yeah
notions into the world so it’s good yeah so do you think what do you think that
so do you think what do you think that
so do you think what do you think that average do you think the average person
average do you think the average person
average do you think the average person is just like automatically interested
is just like automatically interested
is just like automatically interested and curious about how the brain works or
and curious about how the brain works or
and curious about how the brain works or isn’t like neuroscience that’s that’s
isn’t like neuroscience that’s that’s
isn’t like neuroscience that’s that’s really tough and well did I tell you
really tough and well did I tell you
really tough and well did I tell you that’s a very fair question I mean I
that’s a very fair question I mean I
that’s a very fair question I mean I think that we’re you know human beings a
think that we’re you know human beings a
think that we’re you know human beings a very curious you know I think if you
very curious you know I think if you
very curious you know I think if you aggregate all of humanity and you look
aggregate all of humanity and you look
aggregate all of humanity and you look at our story of exploration from the
at our story of exploration from the
at our story of exploration from the beginning and from the dawn of man and
beginning and from the dawn of man and
beginning and from the dawn of man and we have this kind of cosmic restlessness
we have this kind of cosmic restlessness
we have this kind of cosmic restlessness and this insatiable curiosity that is
and this insatiable curiosity that is
and this insatiable curiosity that is the reason that we consistently like
the reason that we consistently like
the reason that we consistently like just transcend our boundaries you know
just transcend our boundaries you know
just transcend our boundaries you know we didn’t stay within the caves we
we didn’t stay within the caves we
we didn’t stay within the caves we haven’t stayed within the planet I mean
haven’t stayed within the planet I mean
haven’t stayed within the planet I mean that’s kind of what it is to be human is
that’s kind of what it is to be human is
that’s kind of what it is to be human is to discover and to sort of explore and
to discover and to sort of explore and
to discover and to sort of explore and transcend but at the same time you know
transcend but at the same time you know
transcend but at the same time you know in a day to day in our day to day lives
in a day to day in our day to day lives
in a day to day in our day to day lives you know as Ernest Becker used to say we
you know as Ernest Becker used to say we
you know as Ernest Becker used to say we tranquillize ourselves with trivialities
tranquillize ourselves with trivialities
tranquillize ourselves with trivialities so the day to day things that we have to
so the day to day things that we have to
so the day to day things that we have to do in our lives sometimes keep us from
do in our lives sometimes keep us from
do in our lives sometimes keep us from sitting back and being like how does
sitting back and being like how does
sitting back and being like how does consciousness works how to add a
consciousness works how to add a
consciousness works how to add a self-awareness work you know how does my
self-awareness work you know how does my
self-awareness work you know how does my how does this you know piece of meat
how does this you know piece of meat
how does this you know piece of meat inside my skull
inside my skull
inside my skull – a sense of self lead to a voice in my
– a sense of self lead to a voice in my
– a sense of self lead to a voice in my head and it lets me know that I even
head and it lets me know that I even
head and it lets me know that I even exist you know it’s it’s kind of wild
exist you know it’s it’s kind of wild
exist you know it’s it’s kind of wild you know it so I think that what what I
you know it so I think that what what I
you know it so I think that what what I care about is is is using media or
care about is is is using media or
care about is is is using media or finding ways of using content to kind of
finding ways of using content to kind of
finding ways of using content to kind of elicit elicit that wonder and that awe
elicit elicit that wonder and that awe
elicit elicit that wonder and that awe from people to make them you know to
from people to make them you know to
from people to make them you know to shake them out of their comfort zone to
shake them out of their comfort zone to
shake them out of their comfort zone to pull them out of context so that they’re
pull them out of context so that they’re
pull them out of context so that they’re like okay yes there is this fascinating
like okay yes there is this fascinating
like okay yes there is this fascinating thing called the brain and there is
thing called the brain and there is
thing called the brain and there is science and there is all in and make
science and there is all in and make
science and there is all in and make them interested you know that’s kind of
them interested you know that’s kind of
them interested you know that’s kind of that’s kind of my thing and so that’s
that’s kind of my thing and so that’s
that’s kind of my thing and so that’s what we’re trying to do with brain games
what we’re trying to do with brain games
what we’re trying to do with brain games is to do is that to shake people up and
is to do is that to shake people up and
is to do is that to shake people up and to be like hey look at this fascinating
to be like hey look at this fascinating
to be like hey look at this fascinating thing and look at all the flaws at hats
thing and look at all the flaws at hats
thing and look at all the flaws at hats and look at all the wonders it has and
and look at all the wonders it has and
and look at all the wonders it has and wake up you know all right well you
wake up you know all right well you
wake up you know all right well you should you should wake us up then right
should you should wake us up then right
should you should wake us up then right now I wanna I want to get shaken up yes
now I wanna I want to get shaken up yes
now I wanna I want to get shaken up yes sure well see this thing you want to
sure well see this thing you want to
sure well see this thing you want to check us with so okay so one of the
check us with so okay so one of the
check us with so okay so one of the things that we do on the show is that we
things that we do on the show is that we
things that we do on the show is that we have to adapt these real lab experiments
have to adapt these real lab experiments
have to adapt these real lab experiments and make them into games because you
and make them into games because you
and make them into games because you know people at home want to have fun
know people at home want to have fun
know people at home want to have fun when they watch the show and they want
when they watch the show and they want
when they watch the show and they want to do stuff that they can then do it
to do stuff that they can then do it
to do stuff that they can then do it cocktail parties and these sort of
cocktail parties and these sort of
cocktail parties and these sort of little brain tricks that we do they’re
little brain tricks that we do they’re
little brain tricks that we do they’re actually kind of fascinating because
actually kind of fascinating because
actually kind of fascinating because they sort of they have always these
they sort of they have always these
they sort of they have always these profound takeaways and so they highlight
profound takeaways and so they highlight
profound takeaways and so they highlight stuff that’s really fascinating even
stuff that’s really fascinating even
stuff that’s really fascinating even even if it seems like oh this is just a
even if it seems like oh this is just a
even if it seems like oh this is just a little trick it’s actually what actually
little trick it’s actually what actually
little trick it’s actually what actually it’s pretty profound because it shows
it’s pretty profound because it shows
it’s pretty profound because it shows you it gives you an insight into how
you it gives you an insight into how
you it gives you an insight into how your brain works so one of the things
your brain works so one of the things
your brain works so one of the things that we talk about is how your brain can
that we talk about is how your brain can
that we talk about is how your brain can be primed and your brain is consistently
be primed and your brain is consistently
be primed and your brain is consistently looking to connect the dots your brain
looking to connect the dots your brain
looking to connect the dots your brain receives incomplete information from the
receives incomplete information from the
receives incomplete information from the world and it wants to do its best to
world and it wants to do its best to
world and it wants to do its best to complete that information to complete
complete that information to complete
complete that information to complete the pattern but it often does so
the pattern but it often does so
the pattern but it often does so erroneously you often miss key details
erroneously you often miss key details
erroneously you often miss key details from the world and from the information
from the world and from the information
from the world and from the information you’re receiving because you’re very
you’re receiving because you’re very
you’re receiving because you’re very quickly just trying to find a pattern as
quickly just trying to find a pattern as
quickly just trying to find a pattern as efficiently as possible in complete
efficiently as possible in complete
efficiently as possible in complete pattern so here’s a riddle that that
pattern so here’s a riddle that that
pattern so here’s a riddle that that uses that idea and and so what we’ll do
uses that idea and and so what we’ll do
uses that idea and and so what we’ll do is we’ll ask you the question and then
is we’ll ask you the question and then
is we’ll ask you the question and then we’ll ask people to tweet at NatGeo as
we’ll ask people to tweet at NatGeo as
we’ll ask people to tweet at NatGeo as well as to send comments here in the
well as to send comments here in the
well as to send comments here in the chat box to what they think the answer
chat box to what they think the answer
chat box to what they think the answer is okay so let’s do one of these and see
is okay so let’s do one of these and see
is okay so let’s do one of these and see how it see if it works you walk into a
how it see if it works you walk into a
how it see if it works you walk into a room with a match a kerosene lamp and a
room with a match a kerosene lamp and a
room with a match a kerosene lamp and a candle and you see a fireplace
candle and you see a fireplace
candle and you see a fireplace should you light first your brain your
should you light first your brain your
should you light first your brain your brain is receiving this information and
brain is receiving this information and
brain is receiving this information and it has to find an answer as quickly as
it has to find an answer as quickly as
it has to find an answer as quickly as possible it’s doing that by looking for
possible it’s doing that by looking for
possible it’s doing that by looking for patterns and completing patterns but
patterns and completing patterns but
patterns and completing patterns but let’s see if it actually missed any key
let’s see if it actually missed any key
let’s see if it actually missed any key details in the question I can ask it
details in the question I can ask it
details in the question I can ask it again if you want yeah let’s hear it
again if you want yeah let’s hear it
again if you want yeah let’s hear it again so you walk into a room with a
again so you walk into a room with a
again so you walk into a room with a match a kerosene lamp and a candle and
match a kerosene lamp and a candle and
match a kerosene lamp and a candle and then you see a fireplace which should
then you see a fireplace which should
then you see a fireplace which should you light first hmm are people tweeting
you light first hmm are people tweeting
you light first hmm are people tweeting at night you and I think they can also
at night you and I think they can also
at night you and I think they can also put their answers on Google+ yes yeah
put their answers on Google+ yes yeah
put their answers on Google+ yes yeah what do you think Amy oh my gosh I don’t
what do you think Amy oh my gosh I don’t
what do you think Amy oh my gosh I don’t know I’m thinking you know if if you
know I’m thinking you know if if you
know I’m thinking you know if if you light the fire first then you can with
light the fire first then you can with
light the fire first then you can with it like the match and then like the
it like the match and then like the
it like the match and then like the kerosene candle yes but how do you like
kerosene candle yes but how do you like
kerosene candle yes but how do you like how do you light a fire without a match
how do you light a fire without a match
how do you light a fire without a match yeah you know I’ll give you guys a clue
yeah you know I’ll give you guys a clue
yeah you know I’ll give you guys a clue people are probably sending in their
people are probably sending in their
people are probably sending in their answers right now but it you know these
answers right now but it you know these
answers right now but it you know these are these questions are these riddles
are these questions are these riddles
are these questions are these riddles are worded in a specific way to
are worded in a specific way to
are worded in a specific way to highlight the way your brain is very
highlight the way your brain is very
highlight the way your brain is very quickly looking to complete a pattern
quickly looking to complete a pattern
quickly looking to complete a pattern without really taking in the details of
without really taking in the details of
without really taking in the details of the questions so should I are we waiting
the questions so should I are we waiting
the questions so should I are we waiting to get some answers or should I actually
to get some answers or should I actually
to get some answers or should I actually tell you the answers don’t tell don’t
tell you the answers don’t tell don’t
tell you the answers don’t tell don’t tell the answer I think we’re gonna wait
tell the answer I think we’re gonna wait
tell the answer I think we’re gonna wait till the end of the Hangout and okay
till the end of the Hangout and okay
till the end of the Hangout and okay aggregate the answers okay so here I’ll
aggregate the answers okay so here I’ll
aggregate the answers okay so here I’ll ask you another one that we’ve done on
ask you another one that we’ve done on
ask you another one that we’ve done on on TV before so maybe it would be easier
on TV before so maybe it would be easier
on TV before so maybe it would be easier for people to know it but I just think
for people to know it but I just think
for people to know it but I just think it would be fun to ask so mary’s mother
it would be fun to ask so mary’s mother
it would be fun to ask so mary’s mother has four daughters April May June and
has four daughters April May June and
has four daughters April May June and Mary what’s the fun okay well your your
Mary what’s the fun okay well your your
Mary what’s the fun okay well your your now you’re catching on to me but again
now you’re catching on to me but again
now you’re catching on to me but again people people hear the pattern there you
people people hear the pattern there you
people people hear the pattern there you go
go
go people hear April May and June and what
people hear April May and June and what
people hear April May and June and what comes after April May and June July no
comes after April May and June July no
comes after April May and June July no so they’ll answer the pattern without
so they’ll answer the pattern without
so they’ll answer the pattern without paying attention to what the question is
paying attention to what the question is
paying attention to what the question is the question is not saying what comes
the question is not saying what comes
the question is not saying what comes after April May and June in the months
after April May and June in the months
after April May and June in the months of the year the question is Mary’s
of the year the question is Mary’s
of the year the question is Mary’s has four daughters April May and June
has four daughters April May and June
has four daughters April May and June that’s three of them but obviously
that’s three of them but obviously
that’s three of them but obviously Marie’s mother is one Mary is one of
Marie’s mother is one Mary is one of
Marie’s mother is one Mary is one of them and so most people won’t get that
them and so most people won’t get that
them and so most people won’t get that again quickly the brain is quick to
again quickly the brain is quick to
again quickly the brain is quick to complete an incomplete pattern without
complete an incomplete pattern without
complete an incomplete pattern without taking into account the full question
taking into account the full question
taking into account the full question that’s being asked and this happens all
that’s being asked and this happens all
that’s being asked and this happens all the time and of course these are fun and
the time and of course these are fun and
the time and of course these are fun and people get tricked
people get tricked
people get tricked but again the profound takeaway here is
but again the profound takeaway here is
but again the profound takeaway here is how many things how many times does this
how many things how many times does this
how many things how many times does this happen in your day-to-day life how many
happen in your day-to-day life how many
happen in your day-to-day life how many times you get information from the world
times you get information from the world
times you get information from the world and make inferences about the world and
and make inferences about the world and
and make inferences about the world and make estimations about the world that
make estimations about the world that
make estimations about the world that are completely inaccurate this happens
are completely inaccurate this happens
are completely inaccurate this happens all the time and I think that’s that’s
all the time and I think that’s that’s
all the time and I think that’s that’s fascinating yeah even in like the
fascinating yeah even in like the
fascinating yeah even in like the history of science or anything there are
history of science or anything there are
history of science or anything there are so many times when researchers and
so many times when researchers and
so many times when researchers and scientists you know hundreds of years in
scientists you know hundreds of years in
scientists you know hundreds of years in the past have been working towards
the past have been working towards
the past have been working towards scientific theories that were just wrong
scientific theories that were just wrong
scientific theories that were just wrong without actually questioning the
without actually questioning the
without actually questioning the theories themselves without actually
theories themselves without actually
theories themselves without actually making what were the revolutionary
making what were the revolutionary
making what were the revolutionary paradigm shifts that led them to really
paradigm shifts that led them to really
paradigm shifts that led them to really solve the challenges absolutely I
solve the challenges absolutely I
solve the challenges absolutely I remember in our episode on perception we
remember in our episode on perception we
remember in our episode on perception we were talking about you know we all go
were talking about you know we all go
were talking about you know we all go through life feeling pretty confident
through life feeling pretty confident
through life feeling pretty confident that our kind of daily rendering of this
that our kind of daily rendering of this
that our kind of daily rendering of this 3d world that we live in is sort of
3d world that we live in is sort of
3d world that we live in is sort of accurate representation to that world or
accurate representation to that world or
accurate representation to that world or they it’s an accurate experience of said
they it’s an accurate experience of said
they it’s an accurate experience of said world but you know that through our eyes
world but you know that through our eyes
world but you know that through our eyes we actually only receive low resolution
we actually only receive low resolution
we actually only receive low resolution 2d images like our eyes are like low res
2d images like our eyes are like low res
2d images like our eyes are like low res flat 2d cameras and then our brain takes
flat 2d cameras and then our brain takes
flat 2d cameras and then our brain takes that raw information and then renders a
that raw information and then renders a
that raw information and then renders a high-def 3d rendering of the world based
high-def 3d rendering of the world based
high-def 3d rendering of the world based on that limited information so we really
on that limited information so we really
on that limited information so we really kind of do live in a matrix in the sense
kind of do live in a matrix in the sense
kind of do live in a matrix in the sense that we interface and interact with a
that we interface and interact with a
that we interface and interact with a representation of the world that by many
representation of the world that by many
representation of the world that by many accounts is not a complete picture of
accounts is not a complete picture of
accounts is not a complete picture of what’s out there and I think that’s
what’s out there and I think that’s
what’s out there and I think that’s fascinating how much of our brain is a
fascinating how much of our brain is a
fascinating how much of our brain is a filling in the blanks
filling in the blanks
filling in the blanks you know our brain creates reality and
you know our brain creates reality and
you know our brain creates reality and we bring to that reality all of our
we bring to that reality all of our
we bring to that reality all of our preconceptions expectations stereotypes
preconceptions expectations stereotypes
preconceptions expectations stereotypes past experiences in many many instances
past experiences in many many instances
past experiences in many many instances we see what we want to see and I think
we see what we want to see and I think
we see what we want to see and I think that’s just fascinating and then so
that’s just fascinating and then so
that’s just fascinating and then so Jason can you tell us why our brain is
Jason can you tell us why our brain is
Jason can you tell us why our brain is so stupid like why why do we fill in the
so stupid like why why do we fill in the
so stupid like why why do we fill in the blanks well I did involved to think like
blanks well I did involved to think like
blanks well I did involved to think like that well it’s not that it’s so stupid
that well it’s not that it’s so stupid
that well it’s not that it’s so stupid or that it’s so amazing it’s that it’s
or that it’s so amazing it’s that it’s
or that it’s so amazing it’s that it’s it’s both it’s amazing and dazzling and
it’s both it’s amazing and dazzling and
it’s both it’s amazing and dazzling and complex but it’s a machine and so a
complex but it’s a machine and so a
complex but it’s a machine and so a machine is trying to be efficient it’s
machine is trying to be efficient it’s
machine is trying to be efficient it’s trying to use less energy it’s trying
trying to use less energy it’s trying
trying to use less energy it’s trying limit its bandwidth I mean think of for
limit its bandwidth I mean think of for
limit its bandwidth I mean think of for example why we compress video to make it
example why we compress video to make it
example why we compress video to make it flow on the Internet you know people
flow on the Internet you know people
flow on the Internet you know people talk about h.264 compression or MPEG
talk about h.264 compression or MPEG
talk about h.264 compression or MPEG compression it takes digital information
compression it takes digital information
compression it takes digital information and it literally grabs only the elements
and it literally grabs only the elements
and it literally grabs only the elements that the eye can see so that it can
that the eye can see so that it can
that the eye can see so that it can shrink the file size of video and so
shrink the file size of video and so
shrink the file size of video and so when you watch HD movie trailers on
when you watch HD movie trailers on
when you watch HD movie trailers on YouTube you’re not really seeing like an
YouTube you’re not really seeing like an
YouTube you’re not really seeing like an uncompressed high-definition picture
uncompressed high-definition picture
uncompressed high-definition picture you’re seeing a representation that’s
you’re seeing a representation that’s
you’re seeing a representation that’s taking high lighting elements of it that
taking high lighting elements of it that
taking high lighting elements of it that your brain will not be able to tell the
your brain will not be able to tell the
your brain will not be able to tell the difference but that’s kind of the same
difference but that’s kind of the same
difference but that’s kind of the same thing your brain does with reality your
thing your brain does with reality your
thing your brain does with reality your brain cannot take in all the information
brain cannot take in all the information
brain cannot take in all the information that possibly could come in through its
that possibly could come in through its
that possibly could come in through its senses so it makes inferences based on
senses so it makes inferences based on
senses so it makes inferences based on the limited information that can
the limited information that can
the limited information that can perceive like it’s just like you know
perceive like it’s just like you know
perceive like it’s just like you know cuz cuz the world out there is sort of
cuz cuz the world out there is sort of
cuz cuz the world out there is sort of infinite right and our brains are you
infinite right and our brains are you
infinite right and our brains are you know fixed our biological brains are
know fixed our biological brains are
know fixed our biological brains are fixed at least until we have some kind
fixed at least until we have some kind
fixed at least until we have some kind of technological singularity or a human
of technological singularity or a human
of technological singularity or a human tech sort of coeval you know symbiosis
tech sort of coeval you know symbiosis
tech sort of coeval you know symbiosis that allows us to extend the capacities
that allows us to extend the capacities
that allows us to extend the capacities of the brain beyond their current limits
of the brain beyond their current limits
of the brain beyond their current limits we have true you know bandwidth
we have true you know bandwidth
we have true you know bandwidth limitations you know it’s like your
limitations you know it’s like your
limitations you know it’s like your brain is like a 56k modem and we’re
brain is like a 56k modem and we’re
brain is like a 56k modem and we’re trying to take in like HD video 24
trying to take in like HD video 24
trying to take in like HD video 24 frames per second it’s impossible right
frames per second it’s impossible right
frames per second it’s impossible right so we’re just very selective we have to
so we’re just very selective we have to
so we’re just very selective we have to be sort of adaptation fascinating he was
be sort of adaptation fascinating he was
be sort of adaptation fascinating he was where we had another riddle here which
where we had another riddle here which
where we had another riddle here which we’d read another riddle yeah yeah okay
so a farmer had 15 sheep and all but
so a farmer had 15 sheep and all but eight died how many are left well it
eight died how many are left well it
eight died how many are left well it can’t be seven because that that’s what
can’t be seven because that that’s what
can’t be seven because that that’s what my brain immediately thinks is but did
my brain immediately thinks is but did
my brain immediately thinks is but did you listen to the questions I thought I
you listen to the questions I thought I
you listen to the questions I thought I did again so a farmer had 15 sheep and
did again so a farmer had 15 sheep and
did again so a farmer had 15 sheep and all but eight died how many are left
all but eight died how many are left
all but eight died how many are left oh eight you you your brain went
oh eight you you your brain went
oh eight you you your brain went straight to like what was the channel
straight to like what was the channel
straight to like what was the channel I have to do a subtraction okay have 15
I have to do a subtraction okay have 15
I have to do a subtraction okay have 15 and then all but eight you didn’t hear
and then all but eight you didn’t hear
and then all but eight you didn’t hear all but eight you said eight you heard
all but eight you said eight you heard
all but eight you said eight you heard eight you heard that eight died and you
eight you heard that eight died and you
eight you heard that eight died and you didn’t hear that all but 82 died you
didn’t hear that all but 82 died you
didn’t hear that all but 82 died you didn’t realize that the answer was
didn’t realize that the answer was
didn’t realize that the answer was written into the question instead you
written into the question instead you
written into the question instead you went ahead and filled a pattern and did
went ahead and filled a pattern and did
went ahead and filled a pattern and did the subtraction and gave us the answer
the subtraction and gave us the answer
the subtraction and gave us the answer that you assumed was the answer I think
that you assumed was the answer I think
that you assumed was the answer I think again same example of the same thing
again same example of the same thing
again same example of the same thing happening there so how do you think we
happening there so how do you think we
happening there so how do you think we can
can
can are there tips you have for how we can
are there tips you have for how we can
are there tips you have for how we can try to transcend these natural limits on
try to transcend these natural limits on
try to transcend these natural limits on our brain or how do we yeah well sure I
our brain or how do we yeah well sure I
our brain or how do we yeah well sure I think that one of the things that people
think that one of the things that people
think that one of the things that people often ask them you know what they watch
often ask them you know what they watch
often ask them you know what they watch the show they’re like oh my god I sure I
the show they’re like oh my god I sure I
the show they’re like oh my god I sure I can’t believe my brain is so silly you
can’t believe my brain is so silly you
can’t believe my brain is so silly you know my brain is so stupid I don’t we
know my brain is so stupid I don’t we
know my brain is so stupid I don’t we tell people no it’s not that these
tell people no it’s not that these
tell people no it’s not that these tricks are meant to highlight
tricks are meant to highlight
tricks are meant to highlight shortcomings in how you perceive reality
shortcomings in how you perceive reality
shortcomings in how you perceive reality but I think that one of the cool things
but I think that one of the cool things
but I think that one of the cool things is that in a way knowledge is power so
is that in a way knowledge is power so
is that in a way knowledge is power so upon realizing that you have these
upon realizing that you have these
upon realizing that you have these shortcomings it might make you pay a
shortcomings it might make you pay a
shortcomings it might make you pay a little bit more attention into your
little bit more attention into your
little bit more attention into your day-to-day reality you realize that the
day-to-day reality you realize that the
day-to-day reality you realize that the world is a little bit more ambiguous and
world is a little bit more ambiguous and
world is a little bit more ambiguous and that your interpretation of said world
that your interpretation of said world
that your interpretation of said world is a little more ambiguous than what you
is a little more ambiguous than what you
is a little more ambiguous than what you thought it is then maybe it makes you
thought it is then maybe it makes you
thought it is then maybe it makes you open your eyes a little bit you know
open your eyes a little bit you know
open your eyes a little bit you know there’s that beautiful line that says we
there’s that beautiful line that says we
there’s that beautiful line that says we have eyes yet see not ears that you’re
have eyes yet see not ears that you’re
have eyes yet see not ears that you’re not in hearts that neither feel nor
not in hearts that neither feel nor
not in hearts that neither feel nor understand you know we go through life
understand you know we go through life
understand you know we go through life in a state of looks kind of like
in a state of looks kind of like
in a state of looks kind of like autopilot we’re kind of half asleep
autopilot we’re kind of half asleep
autopilot we’re kind of half asleep there’s this idea of hedonic adaptation
there’s this idea of hedonic adaptation
there’s this idea of hedonic adaptation and that anything we get used to we
and that anything we get used to we
and that anything we get used to we hardly pay attention to because we’re
hardly pay attention to because we’re
hardly pay attention to because we’re kind of relying on these mental map map
kind of relying on these mental map map
kind of relying on these mental map map models of the world we assume there’s
models of the world we assume there’s
models of the world we assume there’s nothing new to discover and so we we
nothing new to discover and so we we
nothing new to discover and so we we again we run on autopilot and I think
again we run on autopilot and I think
again we run on autopilot and I think that one of the exciting things about a
that one of the exciting things about a
that one of the exciting things about a show like brain games and also you know
show like brain games and also you know
show like brain games and also you know the content that I make on the web is
the content that I make on the web is
the content that I make on the web is that it’s meant to shake you up a little
that it’s meant to shake you up a little
that it’s meant to shake you up a little bit and when you’re shaken up a little
bit and when you’re shaken up a little
bit and when you’re shaken up a little bit although all of a sudden the world
bit although all of a sudden the world
bit although all of a sudden the world becomes new again becomes interesting
becomes new again becomes interesting
becomes new again becomes interesting becomes wonderful it becomes the way
becomes wonderful it becomes the way
becomes wonderful it becomes the way they know the way a child looks upon the
they know the way a child looks upon the
they know the way a child looks upon the world with a constant state of grace and
world with a constant state of grace and
world with a constant state of grace and Wonder you know that’s kind of the point
Wonder you know that’s kind of the point
Wonder you know that’s kind of the point and so I think it has to do with
and so I think it has to do with
and so I think it has to do with constantly reminding yourself that you
constantly reminding yourself that you
constantly reminding yourself that you know that reality is kind of it’s not as
know that reality is kind of it’s not as
know that reality is kind of it’s not as you know your fixed perceptions of
you know your fixed perceptions of
you know your fixed perceptions of reality or not as fixed as you think
reality or not as fixed as you think
reality or not as fixed as you think they are and I think that you know
they are and I think that you know
they are and I think that you know you’re reminded of that anytime you get
you’re reminded of that anytime you get
you’re reminded of that anytime you get on a plane and go somewhere new any time
on a plane and go somewhere new any time
on a plane and go somewhere new any time you collide against a different culture
you collide against a different culture
you collide against a different culture any time you really pulled out of
any time you really pulled out of
any time you really pulled out of context in the dramatic man
context in the dramatic man
context in the dramatic man you’re forced to see the world in a new
you’re forced to see the world in a new
you’re forced to see the world in a new way I think that’s a healthy thing yeah
way I think that’s a healthy thing yeah
way I think that’s a healthy thing yeah really you have a really amazing video
really you have a really amazing video
really you have a really amazing video on the biological benefits of aw it’s
on the biological benefits of aw it’s
on the biological benefits of aw it’s one of my favorite ones that you’ve ever
one of my favorite ones that you’ve ever
one of my favorite ones that you’ve ever done and there’s the one line in there
done and there’s the one line in there
done and there’s the one line in there where you have something you know when
where you have something you know when
where you have something you know when you look into the heavens you’re taking
you look into the heavens you’re taking
you look into the heavens you’re taking in basically the entire of the universe
in basically the entire of the universe
in basically the entire of the universe through your optic nerve don’t you love
through your optic nerve don’t you love
through your optic nerve don’t you love that
yeah well that was that I read this book
yeah well that was that I read this book by Nicolas Humphrey that actually said
by Nicolas Humphrey that actually said
by Nicolas Humphrey that actually said that the human mind the human brains
that the human mind the human brains
that the human mind the human brains unique capacity to be awestruck was
unique capacity to be awestruck was
unique capacity to be awestruck was something that was evolutionarily
something that was evolutionarily
something that was evolutionarily advantageous because it imbued our life
advantageous because it imbued our life
advantageous because it imbued our life with a sense of cosmic significance and
with a sense of cosmic significance and
with a sense of cosmic significance and meaning you know in other words the
meaning you know in other words the
meaning you know in other words the unique so here a human ability to just
unique so here a human ability to just
unique so here a human ability to just contemplate to marvel to awe made us
contemplate to marvel to awe made us
contemplate to marvel to awe made us feel like we had some special
feel like we had some special
feel like we had some special significance in the world beyond just
significance in the world beyond just
significance in the world beyond just mere biological survival and so that
mere biological survival and so that
mere biological survival and so that idea that there was something more to us
idea that there was something more to us
idea that there was something more to us that we had a higher purpose our ability
that we had a higher purpose our ability
that we had a higher purpose our ability to be awestruck
to be awestruck
to be awestruck he says resulted in a species that
he says resulted in a species that
he says resulted in a species that worked harder than just to survive
worked harder than just to survive
worked harder than just to survive species that felt it had to thrive and
species that felt it had to thrive and
species that felt it had to thrive and that he said that unique quirk you know
that he said that unique quirk you know
that he said that unique quirk you know this guy Humphrey they wrote the book is
this guy Humphrey they wrote the book is
this guy Humphrey they wrote the book is responsible for you know us building
responsible for you know us building
responsible for you know us building rockets and skyscrapers and smartphones
rockets and skyscrapers and smartphones
rockets and skyscrapers and smartphones I mean you know such an interesting
I mean you know such an interesting
I mean you know such an interesting species we are and and I remember this
species we are and and I remember this
species we are and and I remember this guy Ross Anderson who was a wonderful
guy Ross Anderson who was a wonderful
guy Ross Anderson who was a wonderful writer for The Atlantic wrote an article
writer for The Atlantic wrote an article
writer for The Atlantic wrote an article about the Hubble Space Telescope and the
about the Hubble Space Telescope and the
about the Hubble Space Telescope and the new James Webb telescope and he talked
new James Webb telescope and he talked
new James Webb telescope and he talked about the line was from his article he
about the line was from his article he
about the line was from his article he says that with instruments like the
says that with instruments like the
says that with instruments like the Hubble just like with telescopes and
Hubble just like with telescopes and
Hubble just like with telescopes and microscopes and any other technological
microscopes and any other technological
microscopes and any other technological instrument that we use to extend the
instrument that we use to extend the
instrument that we use to extend the boundaries of our perception he refers
boundaries of our perception he refers
boundaries of our perception he refers to these instruments as technological
to these instruments as technological
to these instruments as technological scaffoldings that extend the boundaries
scaffoldings that extend the boundaries
scaffoldings that extend the boundaries of the brain you know you could all you
of the brain you know you could all you
of the brain you know you could all you could argue that we dovetail our
could argue that we dovetail our
could argue that we dovetail our cognitive capacities to our tools we
cognitive capacities to our tools we
cognitive capacities to our tools we outsource our memories to these extended
outsource our memories to these extended
outsource our memories to these extended minds but in all in other ways the
minds but in all in other ways the
minds but in all in other ways the Hubble you know is is an extension of
Hubble you know is is an extension of
Hubble you know is is an extension of our neocortex it’s an extension of the
our neocortex it’s an extension of the
our neocortex it’s an extension of the human eyeball and the Hubble is the
human eyeball and the Hubble is the
human eyeball and the Hubble is the eyeball of mankind and with it we are
eyeball of mankind and with it we are
eyeball of mankind and with it we are able to mainline the whole of time
able to mainline the whole of time
able to mainline the whole of time through the optic nerve I mean think of
through the optic nerve I mean think of
through the optic nerve I mean think of that idea
that idea
that idea again that’s what you do that’s what we
again that’s what you do that’s what we
again that’s what you do that’s what we do with these brains and that’s
do with these brains and that’s
do with these brains and that’s something that I’m really interested in
something that I’m really interested in
something that I’m really interested in so besides learning about sort of that
so besides learning about sort of that
so besides learning about sort of that sort of limited perceptual qualities of
sort of limited perceptual qualities of
sort of limited perceptual qualities of the brain which we learned about on
the brain which we learned about on
the brain which we learned about on brain games we also realized that it’s
brain games we also realized that it’s
brain games we also realized that it’s because we have these limitations that
because we have these limitations that
because we have these limitations that we’ve had this kind of desire to
we’ve had this kind of desire to
we’ve had this kind of desire to transcend those limitations with our
transcend those limitations with our
transcend those limitations with our instruments there is no animal that uses
instruments there is no animal that uses
instruments there is no animal that uses tools the way we do to extend its
tools the way we do to extend its
tools the way we do to extend its cognitive capacities and I think that’s
cognitive capacities and I think that’s
cognitive capacities and I think that’s really fascinating that’s what I’m
really fascinating that’s what I’m
really fascinating that’s what I’m really interested even interesting so I
really interested even interesting so I
really interested even interesting so I think we’ve got a poster here to go to
think we’ve got a poster here to go to
think we’ve got a poster here to go to to go back to the how easily were fooled
to go back to the how easily were fooled
to go back to the how easily were fooled apparently there’s a poster that has a
apparently there’s a poster that has a
apparently there’s a poster that has a sentence on it that shows us we see it
sentence on it that shows us we see it
sentence on it that shows us we see it on screen everybody should read this out
on screen everybody should read this out
on screen everybody should read this out loud to themselves out loud to
loud to themselves out loud to
loud to themselves out loud to themselves well everybody when we see it
themselves well everybody when we see it
themselves well everybody when we see it on screen everybody should read it and
on screen everybody should read it and
on screen everybody should read it and see if there’s anything wrong with that
see if there’s anything wrong with that
see if there’s anything wrong with that sentence even the sharpest mind can be
sentence even the sharpest mind can be
sentence even the sharpest mind can be fooled there are certain things that the
fooled there are certain things that the
fooled there are certain things that the average reader will overlook even if
average reader will overlook even if
average reader will overlook even if you’re paying extra attention you may
you’re paying extra attention you may
you’re paying extra attention you may not notice simple mistakes you you may
not notice simple mistakes you you may
not notice simple mistakes you you may not notice simple the average reader
not notice simple the average reader
not notice simple the average reader there you go we were looking for the
there you go we were looking for the
there you go we were looking for the mistakes so that’s probably we we we did
mistakes so that’s probably we we we did
mistakes so that’s probably we we we did this experiment on the show as well and
this experiment on the show as well and
this experiment on the show as well and this again has to do with you know your
this again has to do with you know your
this again has to do with you know your brain wants to extrapolate information
brain wants to extrapolate information
brain wants to extrapolate information from the world as quickly as possible
from the world as quickly as possible
from the world as quickly as possible right it’s very quickly just wants to
right it’s very quickly just wants to
right it’s very quickly just wants to what’s the conclusion here and so in a
what’s the conclusion here and so in a
what’s the conclusion here and so in a sense in this case it’s not really
sense in this case it’s not really
sense in this case it’s not really expecting to find a mistake and so it
expecting to find a mistake and so it
expecting to find a mistake and so it doesn’t and so you know it seems a few
doesn’t and so you know it seems a few
doesn’t and so you know it seems a few of the words it glances through the
of the words it glances through the
of the words it glances through the sentence and it just sort of assumes
sentence and it just sort of assumes
sentence and it just sort of assumes that what it says there is what Amy read
that what it says there is what Amy read
that what it says there is what Amy read until the second time around where she
until the second time around where she
until the second time around where she caught the error that’s kind of
caught the error that’s kind of
caught the error that’s kind of interesting you know that things can be
interesting you know that things can be
interesting you know that things can be like blatantly written incorrectly but
like blatantly written incorrectly but
like blatantly written incorrectly but you’ll still read them correctly it’s
you’ll still read them correctly it’s
you’ll still read them correctly it’s kind of a mess that is amazing I think
kind of a mess that is amazing I think
kind of a mess that is amazing I think one of the coolest things about brain
one of the coolest things about brain
one of the coolest things about brain games is the the interaction you have
games is the the interaction you have
games is the the interaction you have with the audience yeah and Amy I heard a
with the audience yeah and Amy I heard a
with the audience yeah and Amy I heard a little bit about
little bit about
little bit about this program that you’re doing that also
this program that you’re doing that also
this program that you’re doing that also is all about like getting people to
is all about like getting people to
is all about like getting people to connect with with science in a really
connect with with science in a really
connect with with science in a really accessible way
accessible way
accessible way it’s called eyewire right ey e so what
it’s called eyewire right ey e so what
it’s called eyewire right ey e so what is what is AI I wire right yeah so I
is what is AI I wire right yeah so I
is what is AI I wire right yeah so I wire is a game to map the brain it’s
wire is a game to map the brain it’s
wire is a game to map the brain it’s created from Sebastian Seung’s
created from Sebastian Seung’s
created from Sebastian Seung’s computational neuroscience lab at MIT
computational neuroscience lab at MIT
computational neuroscience lab at MIT and so we basically were interested in
and so we basically were interested in
and so we basically were interested in studying connectomics which looks at how
studying connectomics which looks at how
studying connectomics which looks at how neurons connect together to form
neurons connect together to form
neurons connect together to form networks that process information and
networks that process information and
networks that process information and this theory you know is that you are
this theory you know is that you are
this theory you know is that you are your connectome so there’s 85 billion
your connectome so there’s 85 billion
your connectome so there’s 85 billion neurons in one brain with roughly the
neurons in one brain with roughly the
neurons in one brain with roughly the same order of magnitude number of
same order of magnitude number of
same order of magnitude number of synapses in your one brain as there are
synapses in your one brain as there are
synapses in your one brain as there are stars in the universe and these synapses
stars in the universe and these synapses
stars in the universe and these synapses are constantly changing but we’ve never
are constantly changing but we’ve never
are constantly changing but we’ve never really mapped a brain we’ve never even
really mapped a brain we’ve never even
really mapped a brain we’ve never even mapped a mouse brain the only thing
mapped a mouse brain the only thing
mapped a mouse brain the only thing we’ve ever mapped is C elegans which is
we’ve ever mapped is C elegans which is
we’ve ever mapped is C elegans which is the worm one millimeter long worm and it
the worm one millimeter long worm and it
the worm one millimeter long worm and it took 12 years to map them Wow
took 12 years to map them Wow
took 12 years to map them Wow yeah it’s what years and so we we’re
yeah it’s what years and so we we’re
yeah it’s what years and so we we’re it’s taking so long because of a
it’s taking so long because of a
it’s taking so long because of a technology bottleneck so it currently
technology bottleneck so it currently
technology bottleneck so it currently takes us 50 hours to reconstruct one
takes us 50 hours to reconstruct one
takes us 50 hours to reconstruct one cell Wow one cell and there’s 85 billion
cell Wow one cell and there’s 85 billion
cell Wow one cell and there’s 85 billion in one brain so we drew inspiration from
in one brain so we drew inspiration from
in one brain so we drew inspiration from Angry Birds and candy crush and all
Angry Birds and candy crush and all
Angry Birds and candy crush and all these viral addicting online games
these viral addicting online games
these viral addicting online games people spend 3 billion hours every week
people spend 3 billion hours every week
people spend 3 billion hours every week playing games online so we decided to
playing games online so we decided to
playing games online so we decided to make a game interface over what we do as
make a game interface over what we do as
make a game interface over what we do as a lab you know which is discovering new
a lab you know which is discovering new
a lab you know which is discovering new neural networks and understanding how
neural networks and understanding how
neural networks and understanding how the brain processes information so we
the brain processes information so we
the brain processes information so we built a wire and we have now 70,000
built a wire and we have now 70,000
built a wire and we have now 70,000 people who’ve joined some squeeze 70
people who’ve joined some squeeze 70
people who’ve joined some squeeze 70 thousand seventy seven thousand people
thousand seventy seven thousand people
thousand seventy seven thousand people from 133 countries actually now who’ve
from 133 countries actually now who’ve
from 133 countries actually now who’ve joined since we launched in December and
joined since we launched in December and
joined since we launched in December and they’re reconstructing neural networks
they’re reconstructing neural networks
they’re reconstructing neural networks they’re actually helping us understand
they’re actually helping us understand
they’re actually helping us understand how vision information processing works
how vision information processing works
how vision information processing works so we’re looking at how we perceive
so we’re looking at how we perceive
so we’re looking at how we perceive motion and so in the short term these
motion and so in the short term these
motion and so in the short term these these gamers are actually discovering
these gamers are actually discovering
these gamers are actually discovering never before mapped neural networks yeah
never before mapped neural networks yeah
never before mapped neural networks yeah and in the long term all the actions of
and in the long term all the actions of
and in the long term all the actions of players and eyewear is being used for
players and eyewear is being used for
players and eyewear is being used for advanced machine learning that will help
advanced machine learning that will help
advanced machine learning that will help create software that will help
create software that will help
create software that will help researchers more rapidly reconstruct
researchers more rapidly reconstruct
researchers more rapidly reconstruct neural networks and can thus make faster
neural networks and can thus make faster
neural networks and can thus make faster new discoveries about how the brain
new discoveries about how the brain
new discoveries about how the brain works
works
works Wow so if I want to play what’s the is
Wow so if I want to play what’s the is
Wow so if I want to play what’s the is it a wire calm oh yeah I’m an org yep
it a wire calm oh yeah I’m an org yep
it a wire calm oh yeah I’m an org yep more WI re org cool well we’ve been
more WI re org cool well we’ve been
more WI re org cool well we’ve been getting some questions from viewers so I
getting some questions from viewers so I
getting some questions from viewers so I think first we’re gonna do a video
think first we’re gonna do a video
think first we’re gonna do a video question for Jason
hi Jason my name is Taylor and I’m nine
hi Jason my name is Taylor and I’m nine years old because of my favorite show
years old because of my favorite show
years old because of my favorite show brain games I was the only one in third
brain games I was the only one in third
brain games I was the only one in third grade to pass I followed the directions
grade to pass I followed the directions
grade to pass I followed the directions test the first direction on the test
test the first direction on the test
test the first direction on the test said to read through all the directions
said to read through all the directions
said to read through all the directions before starting the test all the other
before starting the test all the other
before starting the test all the other kids started doing the test before
kids started doing the test before
kids started doing the test before reading through everything I was the
reading through everything I was the
reading through everything I was the only one to do it correctly I learned
only one to do it correctly I learned
only one to do it correctly I learned this from the battle of the sexes
this from the battle of the sexes
this from the battle of the sexes episode of brain games not my question
episode of brain games not my question
episode of brain games not my question for you is why can I remember something
for you is why can I remember something
for you is why can I remember something when I was 2 but I can’t remember what I
when I was 2 but I can’t remember what I
when I was 2 but I can’t remember what I ate for dinner last night that’s a
ate for dinner last night that’s a
ate for dinner last night that’s a really good question I’ve thought about
really good question I’ve thought about
really good question I’ve thought about that before wow what a smart kid he’s
that before wow what a smart kid he’s
that before wow what a smart kid he’s referring to that thing where you’re
referring to that thing where you’re
referring to that thing where you’re supposed to read all the instructions
supposed to read all the instructions
supposed to read all the instructions and then after all the questions at the
and then after all the questions at the
and then after all the questions at the bottom it says don’t answer any of the
bottom it says don’t answer any of the
bottom it says don’t answer any of the questions everybody would have gone
questions everybody would have gone
questions everybody would have gone through it so again they smart and I
through it so again they smart and I
through it so again they smart and I love that he took notes from from that
love that he took notes from from that
love that he took notes from from that episode that’s brilliant I have to be
episode that’s brilliant I have to be
episode that’s brilliant I have to be honest I don’t have an answer to his
honest I don’t have an answer to his
honest I don’t have an answer to his question and I was actually trying to do
question and I was actually trying to do
question and I was actually trying to do some research recently about that and
some research recently about that and
some research recently about that and apparently we don’t really know why
apparently we don’t really know why
apparently we don’t really know why that’s the case though I can make a kind
that’s the case though I can make a kind
that’s the case though I can make a kind of poetic inference which is I think
of poetic inference which is I think
of poetic inference which is I think that things that are really really
that things that are really really
that things that are really really really meaningful and resonates maybe
really meaningful and resonates maybe
really meaningful and resonates maybe you know they can they kind of stay
you know they can they kind of stay
you know they can they kind of stay right if they resonate it’s like they
right if they resonate it’s like they
right if they resonate it’s like they carved themselves inside of you you know
carved themselves inside of you you know
carved themselves inside of you you know meaningful experiences tend to not be
meaningful experiences tend to not be
meaningful experiences tend to not be forgotten as easily as sort of you know
forgotten as easily as sort of you know
forgotten as easily as sort of you know maybe what he had for dinner was kind of
maybe what he had for dinner was kind of
maybe what he had for dinner was kind of boring last night or something that’s
boring last night or something that’s
boring last night or something that’s not a scientific explanation that’s like
not a scientific explanation that’s like
not a scientific explanation that’s like the poetics account of why I think
the poetics account of why I think
the poetics account of why I think that’s the case but maybe you can answer
that’s the case but maybe you can answer
that’s the case but maybe you can answer it you’re the brain expert well actually
it you’re the brain expert well actually
it you’re the brain expert well actually what you said does have some scientists
what you said does have some scientists
what you said does have some scientists some research behind it where you know
some research behind it where you know
some research behind it where you know for instance when people study
for instance when people study
for instance when people study post-traumatic stress disorder whenever
post-traumatic stress disorder whenever
post-traumatic stress disorder whenever there’s a really strong emotional
there’s a really strong emotional
there’s a really strong emotional experience it does actually cement the
experience it does actually cement the
experience it does actually cement the circuits and the amygdala and other
circuits and the amygdala and other
circuits and the amygdala and other parts of the of the brain so yeah
parts of the of the brain so yeah
parts of the of the brain so yeah totally totally right I mean I know that
totally totally right I mean I know that
totally totally right I mean I know that for me when I stumbled upon a piece of
for me when I stumbled upon a piece of
for me when I stumbled upon a piece of content that inspires me
content that inspires me
content that inspires me I want to literally like swallow the
I want to literally like swallow the
I want to literally like swallow the content like I want to download it it’s
content like I want to download it it’s
content like I want to download it it’s this I become obsessed with beautiful
this I become obsessed with beautiful
this I become obsessed with beautiful passages lines ideas quotes because I
passages lines ideas quotes because I
passages lines ideas quotes because I sort of want them to become part of my
sort of want them to become part of my
sort of want them to become part of my collective unconscious so that they’re
collective unconscious so that they’re
collective unconscious so that they’re always there and they become just like
always there and they become just like
always there and they become just like referential you know things that I come
referential you know things that I come
referential you know things that I come back to again again and I’m one of those
back to again again and I’m one of those
back to again again and I’m one of those people that when something resonates I
people that when something resonates I
people that when something resonates I have anxiety about it not resonating so
have anxiety about it not resonating so
have anxiety about it not resonating so it becomes something where I said this
it becomes something where I said this
it becomes something where I said this needs to I need to be reminded of this
needs to I need to be reminded of this
needs to I need to be reminded of this every single day and because of that
every single day and because of that
every single day and because of that very reason I just I don’t want to
very reason I just I don’t want to
very reason I just I don’t want to forget you know that’s a scary idea yeah
forget you know that’s a scary idea yeah
forget you know that’s a scary idea yeah okay we’ve got another live question
okay we’ve got another live question
okay we’ve got another live question this one is from Rajdeep nair on Google+
this one is from Rajdeep nair on Google+
this one is from Rajdeep nair on Google+ he says does deja vu really exists well
he says does deja vu really exists well
he says does deja vu really exists well it’s certainly an experience that we
it’s certainly an experience that we
it’s certainly an experience that we have perceptually it exists as a
have perceptually it exists as a
have perceptually it exists as a subjective experience I definitely think
subjective experience I definitely think
subjective experience I definitely think that that is a phenomenon that we can
that that is a phenomenon that we can
that that is a phenomenon that we can all attest to just like dreams do dreams
all attest to just like dreams do dreams
all attest to just like dreams do dreams really exist well that’s like you know
really exist well that’s like you know
really exist well that’s like you know subjectively we can all vouch that they
subjectively we can all vouch that they
subjectively we can all vouch that they do and I don’t know how deja vu is
do and I don’t know how deja vu is
do and I don’t know how deja vu is explained at the sort of level of neural
explained at the sort of level of neural
explained at the sort of level of neural chemistry in your brain maybe Amy does I
chemistry in your brain maybe Amy does I
chemistry in your brain maybe Amy does I do not know there are there are so many
do not know there are there are so many
do not know there are there are so many interesting questions that we’re unable
interesting questions that we’re unable
interesting questions that we’re unable to answer about how the brain works I
to answer about how the brain works I
to answer about how the brain works I mean we just put it in perspective you
mean we just put it in perspective you
mean we just put it in perspective you know we can you know make movies like
know we can you know make movies like
know we can you know make movies like IBM’s little boy in his atom literally
IBM’s little boy in his atom literally
IBM’s little boy in his atom literally you know nano movies and we convert
you know nano movies and we convert
you know nano movies and we convert these I know right and we can skydive
these I know right and we can skydive
these I know right and we can skydive from space but we don’t even know how
from space but we don’t even know how
from space but we don’t even know how many different types of cells there are
many different types of cells there are
many different types of cells there are in our own heads it’s like the greatest
in our own heads it’s like the greatest
in our own heads it’s like the greatest mystery is so close to home that it is
mystery is so close to home that it is
mystery is so close to home that it is home and I think it’s really interesting
home and I think it’s really interesting
home and I think it’s really interesting kind of bringing these kind of questions
kind of bringing these kind of questions
kind of bringing these kind of questions to light because we don’t know the
to light because we don’t know the
to light because we don’t know the answers yet but we will yeah well in
answers yet but we will yeah well in
answers yet but we will yeah well in Europe they’re spending a billion
Europe they’re spending a billion
Europe they’re spending a billion dollars the people behind the Large
dollars the people behind the Large
dollars the people behind the Large Hadron Collider are spending a billion
Hadron Collider are spending a billion
Hadron Collider are spending a billion dollars to reverse-engineer the brain I
dollars to reverse-engineer the brain I
dollars to reverse-engineer the brain I mean the goal here is to emulate a mind
mean the goal here is to emulate a mind
mean the goal here is to emulate a mind on a digital substrate so we’re talking
on a digital substrate so we’re talking
on a digital substrate so we’re talking about an on by
about an on by
about an on by illogical intelligence to create
illogical intelligence to create
illogical intelligence to create sentience awareness consciousness in a
sentience awareness consciousness in a
sentience awareness consciousness in a non-biological space now that is
non-biological space now that is
non-biological space now that is referred to as a technological
referred to as a technological
referred to as a technological singularity because the moment that we
singularity because the moment that we
singularity because the moment that we can do that that non-biological brain
can do that that non-biological brain
can do that that non-biological brain wouldn’t have the limitations of the
wouldn’t have the limitations of the
wouldn’t have the limitations of the hardware that our biological brains do
hardware that our biological brains do
hardware that our biological brains do so it would basically the moment that we
so it would basically the moment that we
so it would basically the moment that we give birth to a consciousness that we
give birth to a consciousness that we
give birth to a consciousness that we can’t endlessly upgrade you know by
can’t endlessly upgrade you know by
can’t endlessly upgrade you know by putting more RAM in it that would be the
putting more RAM in it that would be the
putting more RAM in it that would be the human epoch will have ended I mean that
human epoch will have ended I mean that
human epoch will have ended I mean that will be the next stage in evolution that
will be the next stage in evolution that
will be the next stage in evolution that will be the other that is birthed from
will be the other that is birthed from
will be the other that is birthed from humanity and ultimately I think it’s
humanity and ultimately I think it’s
humanity and ultimately I think it’s something that’s very exciting
something that’s very exciting
something that’s very exciting because we can merge with that
because we can merge with that
because we can merge with that intelligence I mean I think it’s us if
intelligence I mean I think it’s us if
intelligence I mean I think it’s us if people talk about oh this scary AI is
people talk about oh this scary AI is
people talk about oh this scary AI is these digital brains no that’s us that’s
these digital brains no that’s us that’s
these digital brains no that’s us that’s an extension a scaffolding of humanity
an extension a scaffolding of humanity
an extension a scaffolding of humanity and I’m particularly excited about that
and I’m particularly excited about that
and I’m particularly excited about that I think that’s the future of brain and
I think that’s the future of brain and
I think that’s the future of brain and mind what do you think about that I
mind what do you think about that I
mind what do you think about that I think that’s pretty wild
think that’s pretty wild
think that’s pretty wild starts talking about singularity we’re
starts talking about singularity we’re
starts talking about singularity we’re gonna get all kinds of crazy people I’m
gonna get all kinds of crazy people I’m
gonna get all kinds of crazy people I’m writing in so I wanted to ask you to
writing in so I wanted to ask you to
writing in so I wanted to ask you to make sure before before we run out of
make sure before before we run out of
make sure before before we run out of time to tell us what ad rudl is yes
time to tell us what ad rudl is yes
time to tell us what ad rudl is yes absolutely
absolutely
absolutely in our episode on creativity we had we
in our episode on creativity we had we
in our episode on creativity we had we were comparing children and adults and
were comparing children and adults and
were comparing children and adults and how you know adults they come to rely on
how you know adults they come to rely on
how you know adults they come to rely on these kind of mental maps and these like
these kind of mental maps and these like
these kind of mental maps and these like neural pathways that they’ve kind of
neural pathways that they’ve kind of
neural pathways that they’ve kind of cemented over time whereas humans
cemented over time whereas humans
cemented over time whereas humans I mean whereas children approach the
I mean whereas children approach the
I mean whereas children approach the world sort of fresh and they’re ready to
world sort of fresh and they’re ready to
world sort of fresh and they’re ready to make more interesting connections that’s
make more interesting connections that’s
make more interesting connections that’s why we say that children are more
why we say that children are more
why we say that children are more creative so add rudl is is a term for
creative so add rudl is is a term for
creative so add rudl is is a term for what is basically a drawing and a doodle
what is basically a drawing and a doodle
what is basically a drawing and a doodle together and what we ask people to do is
together and what we ask people to do is
together and what we ask people to do is to look at these ambiguous figures these
to look at these ambiguous figures these
to look at these ambiguous figures these drawing these droodles and to ask adults
drawing these droodles and to ask adults
drawing these droodles and to ask adults and then children tell us all the things
and then children tell us all the things
and then children tell us all the things that you see here and there are no right
that you see here and there are no right
that you see here and there are no right or wrong answers the idea is how many
or wrong answers the idea is how many
or wrong answers the idea is how many different possible scenarios how many
different possible scenarios how many
different possible scenarios how many things do you see in this ambiguous
things do you see in this ambiguous
things do you see in this ambiguous through ttle and what we found is that
through ttle and what we found is that
through ttle and what we found is that children see a lot more than adults do
children see a lot more than adults do
children see a lot more than adults do children are willing to take two sort of
children are willing to take two sort of
children are willing to take two sort of more creative risks in and more
more creative risks in and more
more creative risks in and more imaginative leaps and so they see more
imaginative leaps and so they see more
imaginative leaps and so they see more in these droodles
in these droodles
in these droodles so if you want to put one on screen and
so if you want to put one on screen and
so if you want to put one on screen and we can ask people to tweet at NAT G
we can ask people to tweet at NAT G
we can ask people to tweet at NAT G or right here on Google+ what do they
or right here on Google+ what do they
or right here on Google+ what do they see tell us all of the things that this
see tell us all of the things that this
see tell us all of the things that this drew delete all of the scenarios that
drew delete all of the scenarios that
drew delete all of the scenarios that you can describe it as what do you think
you can describe it as what do you think
you can describe it as what do you think Amy what do you see it reminds me of
Amy what do you see it reminds me of
Amy what do you see it reminds me of Looney Tunes cartoons
Looney Tunes cartoons
Looney Tunes cartoons I guess Lebec why would the roadrunner
I guess Lebec why would the roadrunner
I guess Lebec why would the roadrunner guy I mean it could be it could be a
guy I mean it could be it could be a
guy I mean it could be it could be a teepee in the in a little cavern it
teepee in the in a little cavern it
teepee in the in a little cavern it could be a ocean ridge yes that’s great
could be a ocean ridge yes that’s great
could be a ocean ridge yes that’s great creative girl so go on oh my gosh it
creative girl so go on oh my gosh it
creative girl so go on oh my gosh it could be a whale coming up and eating
could be a whale coming up and eating
could be a whale coming up and eating plankton out of the ocean oh my god it
plankton out of the ocean oh my god it
plankton out of the ocean oh my god it could be a geometry math problem yes oh
could be a geometry math problem yes oh
could be a geometry math problem yes oh my gosh there’s someone else Johnny I
my gosh there’s someone else Johnny I
my gosh there’s someone else Johnny I see a really scary cliffs
see a really scary cliffs
see a really scary cliffs yes which if you if you fell off of it
yes which if you if you fell off of it
yes which if you if you fell off of it you would be skewered by a really sharp
you would be skewered by a really sharp
you would be skewered by a really sharp rock what is that this is like sort of
rock what is that this is like sort of
rock what is that this is like sort of Freudian or something what is you can
Freudian or something what is you can
Freudian or something what is you can have a little psychology experiment sort
have a little psychology experiment sort
have a little psychology experiment sort of like the inkblot yes exactly exactly
of like the inkblot yes exactly exactly
of like the inkblot yes exactly exactly but it was funny to see the kids and
but it was funny to see the kids and
but it was funny to see the kids and they come up with such great stuff but
they come up with such great stuff but
they come up with such great stuff but anyway so we want to hear for people to
anyway so we want to hear for people to
anyway so we want to hear for people to send their their answers to what they
send their their answers to what they
send their their answers to what they see here to at NatGeo
see here to at NatGeo
see here to at NatGeo as well as you can tweet at us as well
as well as you can tweet at us as well
as well as you can tweet at us as well I’m at Jason Silva and you guys if you
I’m at Jason Silva and you guys if you
I’m at Jason Silva and you guys if you want to continue the conversation after
want to continue the conversation after
want to continue the conversation after this tell us what you see on the
this tell us what you see on the
this tell us what you see on the droodles tweet us and we have the
droodles tweet us and we have the
droodles tweet us and we have the results now from the riddle poll oh cool
results now from the riddle poll oh cool
results now from the riddle poll oh cool want to say the riddle one more time and
want to say the riddle one more time and
want to say the riddle one more time and then I’ll tell you what percentage of
then I’ll tell you what percentage of
then I’ll tell you what percentage of people said what yes absolutely so the
people said what yes absolutely so the
people said what yes absolutely so the first one we were looking at was you
first one we were looking at was you
first one we were looking at was you walk into a room with a match a kerosene
walk into a room with a match a kerosene
walk into a room with a match a kerosene lamp a candle and you see a fireplace
lamp a candle and you see a fireplace
lamp a candle and you see a fireplace which should you light first
which should you light first
which should you light first okay so 82% of people out there watching
okay so 82% of people out there watching
okay so 82% of people out there watching this hangout said match oh wow brilliant
this hangout said match oh wow brilliant
this hangout said match oh wow brilliant that’s the right answer
that’s the right answer
that’s the right answer yeah said fireplace 5% said candle and
yeah said fireplace 5% said candle and
yeah said fireplace 5% said candle and two and a half percent said the lamp oh
two and a half percent said the lamp oh
two and a half percent said the lamp oh wow they all got it so the majority of
wow they all got it so the majority of
wow they all got it so the majority of people realize that the
people realize that the
people realize that the counterintuitive answer was the most
counterintuitive answer was the most
counterintuitive answer was the most obvious one it’s like duh you gotta like
obvious one it’s like duh you gotta like
obvious one it’s like duh you gotta like the match before anything else gets lit
the match before anything else gets lit
the match before anything else gets lit so so what are what uh what were you
so so what are what uh what were you
so so what are what uh what were you expecting them okay so you walk into a
expecting them okay so you walk into a
expecting them okay so you walk into a room with a match and then you mentioned
room with a match and then you mentioned
room with a match and then you mentioned a kerosene lamp a candle in a fireplace
a kerosene lamp a candle in a fireplace
a kerosene lamp a candle in a fireplace you would expect that at that point
you would expect that at that point
you would expect that at that point after listing four things people would
after listing four things people would
after listing four things people would have forgotten that a match is required
have forgotten that a match is required
have forgotten that a match is required to be lit and they would have just
to be lit and they would have just
to be lit and they would have just thought totally randomly Oh well should
thought totally randomly Oh well should
thought totally randomly Oh well should you like the lamp first or the candle
you like the lamp first or the candle
you like the lamp first or the candle first of the fireplace first and they
first of the fireplace first and they
first of the fireplace first and they were given some arbitrary answer like
were given some arbitrary answer like
were given some arbitrary answer like how about the fireplace or how about the
how about the fireplace or how about the
how about the fireplace or how about the candle like they would have just like
candle like they would have just like
candle like they would have just like said whatever they think should be lit
said whatever they think should be lit
said whatever they think should be lit first without realizing that the match
first without realizing that the match
first without realizing that the match is kind of a prerequisite to lighting
is kind of a prerequisite to lighting
is kind of a prerequisite to lighting anything so the match is obviously
anything so the match is obviously
anything so the match is obviously answered but people would have not
answered but people would have not
answered but people would have not realized that there was a distinction
realized that there was a distinction
realized that there was a distinction between match and the other four things
between match and the other four things
between match and the other four things gotcha okay is that what you thought Amy
gotcha okay is that what you thought Amy
gotcha okay is that what you thought Amy I think a fireplace because you could
I think a fireplace because you could
I think a fireplace because you could use it to light other things but how
use it to light other things but how
use it to light other things but how would you light a fireplace unless
would you light a fireplace unless
would you light a fireplace unless you’re a dragon or something
all right great well I think we just
all right great well I think we just have one last question and then we’ll
have one last question and then we’ll
have one last question and then we’ll wrap up so Akshay Ram Rica from Malaysia
wrap up so Akshay Ram Rica from Malaysia
wrap up so Akshay Ram Rica from Malaysia asked on Google+ Jason can you list five
asked on Google+ Jason can you list five
asked on Google+ Jason can you list five situations in our daily lives in which
situations in our daily lives in which
situations in our daily lives in which we encounter these kinds of illusions or
we encounter these kinds of illusions or
we encounter these kinds of illusions or tricks yeah I mean every time every time
tricks yeah I mean every time every time
tricks yeah I mean every time every time you open your eyes and you walk around
you open your eyes and you walk around
you open your eyes and you walk around your room and you walk to the bathroom
your room and you walk to the bathroom
your room and you walk to the bathroom and you let’s check you know you you you
and you let’s check you know you you you
and you let’s check you know you you you experience this 3d world this solid
experience this 3d world this solid
experience this 3d world this solid world and you trust your inferences
world and you trust your inferences
world and you trust your inferences about that world you are really relying
about that world you are really relying
about that world you are really relying on your brains sort of representation or
on your brains sort of representation or
on your brains sort of representation or interpretation of that limited
interpretation of that limited
interpretation of that limited information that it’s receiving again
information that it’s receiving again
information that it’s receiving again you don’t see the world in 3d you see
you don’t see the world in 3d you see
you don’t see the world in 3d you see low resolution 2d images through your
low resolution 2d images through your
low resolution 2d images through your eyes and then your brain takes that and
eyes and then your brain takes that and
eyes and then your brain takes that and then creates this mathematical construct
then creates this mathematical construct
then creates this mathematical construct and it’s like well this is what it would
and it’s like well this is what it would
and it’s like well this is what it would look like if it was in 3d and it’s
look like if it was in 3d and it’s
look like if it was in 3d and it’s accurate enough that you don’t crash
accurate enough that you don’t crash
accurate enough that you don’t crash into things but still you don’t have a
into things but still you don’t have a
into things but still you don’t have a direct experience of that 3d reality so
direct experience of that 3d reality so
direct experience of that 3d reality so for me that’s one of the most
for me that’s one of the most
for me that’s one of the most dating things now it’s also has to do
dating things now it’s also has to do
dating things now it’s also has to do with what you pay attention to Henry
with what you pay attention to Henry
with what you pay attention to Henry Miller had that great line that says
Miller had that great line that says
Miller had that great line that says even a blade of grass if given proper
even a blade of grass if given proper
even a blade of grass if given proper attention becomes a magnificent world in
attention becomes a magnificent world in
attention becomes a magnificent world in itself so think of all the things that
itself so think of all the things that
itself so think of all the things that you walk by or you ignore on a daily
you walk by or you ignore on a daily
you walk by or you ignore on a daily basis oh you know this boring piece of
basis oh you know this boring piece of
basis oh you know this boring piece of grass or this like silly little lamp on
grass or this like silly little lamp on
grass or this like silly little lamp on my desk or like I mean he what Henry
my desk or like I mean he what Henry
my desk or like I mean he what Henry Miller is a saying that is if we
Miller is a saying that is if we
Miller is a saying that is if we anything that you give enough attention
anything that you give enough attention
anything that you give enough attention to becomes fascinating I think it was
to becomes fascinating I think it was
to becomes fascinating I think it was Darwin that used to say that attention
Darwin that used to say that attention
Darwin that used to say that attention if sudden and close graduates into
if sudden and close graduates into
if sudden and close graduates into surprise and this into astonishment and
surprise and this into astonishment and
surprise and this into astonishment and this into stupefied amazement so I would
this into stupefied amazement so I would
this into stupefied amazement so I would encourage people just to just try their
encourage people just to just try their
encourage people just to just try their best to reorient what they pay attention
best to reorient what they pay attention
best to reorient what they pay attention to on a day-to-day basis and they’ll
to on a day-to-day basis and they’ll
to on a day-to-day basis and they’ll discover sort of a ubiquitous world of
discover sort of a ubiquitous world of
discover sort of a ubiquitous world of everyday wonders that we’re culturally
everyday wonders that we’re culturally
everyday wonders that we’re culturally disposed to ignore and that we miss out
disposed to ignore and that we miss out
disposed to ignore and that we miss out on on a day to day basis that’s what I
on on a day to day basis that’s what I
on on a day to day basis that’s what I would say that’s good advice I’m gonna
would say that’s good advice I’m gonna
would say that’s good advice I’m gonna try to do that I think it’s probably
try to do that I think it’s probably
try to do that I think it’s probably easier said than done
easier said than done
easier said than done but we can all try yes people what do
but we can all try yes people what do
but we can all try yes people what do you need to meditate watch more Jason
you need to meditate watch more Jason
you need to meditate watch more Jason Silva videos I don’t get you there yeah
Silva videos I don’t get you there yeah
Silva videos I don’t get you there yeah they’re great they’re great all right
they’re great they’re great all right
they’re great they’re great all right well that’s that’s it we’re gonna wrap
well that’s that’s it we’re gonna wrap
well that’s that’s it we’re gonna wrap up thanks everybody for coming
up thanks everybody for coming
up thanks everybody for coming I been fun and you can find Jason on
I been fun and you can find Jason on
I been fun and you can find Jason on Twitter and you can find a me on Twitter
Twitter and you can find a me on Twitter
Twitter and you can find a me on Twitter you can find me on Twitter and Facebook
you can find me on Twitter and Facebook
you can find me on Twitter and Facebook and all the other social media out there
and all the other social media out there
and all the other social media out there so thanks a lot bye
so thanks a lot bye
so thanks a lot bye thanks everyone bye bye Amy bye
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