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How Do You Market a Product that Customers HATE? – Evan & @SKellyCEO


gu Rob is asking this is an interesting

gu Rob is asking this is an interesting one uh how do you market products to

one uh how do you market products to

one uh how do you market products to customers who hate the products what’s

customers who hate the products what’s

customers who hate the products what’s your strategy um I think you probably

your strategy um I think you probably

your strategy um I think you probably need in that girl I think if they really

need in that girl I think if they really

need in that girl I think if they really hate the products you’ve got to find out

hate the products you’ve got to find out

hate the products you’ve got to find out why you got to put number one obviously

why you got to put number one obviously

why you got to put number one obviously upset go where the audience is put

upset go where the audience is put

upset go where the audience is put yourselves in their shoes ah and then

yourselves in their shoes ah and then

yourselves in their shoes ah and then there’s some great ways again through

there’s some great ways again through

there’s some great ways again through social media to find out exactly why

social media to find out exactly why

social media to find out exactly why they don’t like the product and then

they don’t like the product and then

they don’t like the product and then back to iteration test driving and the

back to iteration test driving and the

back to iteration test driving and the product development re-engineer the

product development re-engineer the

product development re-engineer the front to make sure they do like it and

front to make sure they do like it and

front to make sure they do like it and you know i think these days the product

you know i think these days the product

you know i think these days the product is so much more than just a practice the

is so much more than just a practice the

is so much more than just a practice the brand is the customer service is the

brand is the customer service is the

brand is the customer service is the partnership network is so many different

partnership network is so many different

partnership network is so many different things that are part of a pro at these

things that are part of a pro at these

things that are part of a pro at these days that um i think it’s really

days that um i think it’s really

days that um i think it’s really important that you kind of get a

important that you kind of get a

important that you kind of get a understanding of all the elements of the

understanding of all the elements of the

understanding of all the elements of the sort of pratt mix to make sure that you

sort of pratt mix to make sure that you

sort of pratt mix to make sure that you land it better and again I would know

land it better and again I would know

land it better and again I would know don’t beat yourselves up you know

don’t beat yourselves up you know

don’t beat yourselves up you know Garrett I I beat myself up probably too

Garrett I I beat myself up probably too

Garrett I I beat myself up probably too much and and with any company I you

much and and with any company I you

much and and with any company I you never should be satisfied you always

never should be satisfied you always

never should be satisfied you always want to do more but you should savor the

want to do more but you should savor the

want to do more but you should savor the moment of what you got and even if you

moment of what you got and even if you

moment of what you got and even if you got a product out there with customers

got a product out there with customers

got a product out there with customers the reality is you’ve probably done

the reality is you’ve probably done

the reality is you’ve probably done pretty well to get it to that stage but

pretty well to get it to that stage but

pretty well to get it to that stage but then the next stages get new customers

then the next stages get new customers

then the next stages get new customers to become raving fans so I think they

to become raving fans so I think they

to become raving fans so I think they are I don’t know you know reality your

are I don’t know you know reality your

are I don’t know you know reality your customers they’re just human beings they

customers they’re just human beings they

customers they’re just human beings they want to love your product to love your

want to love your product to love your

want to love your product to love your company and if you start believing that

company and if you start believing that

company and if you start believing that then you’re on a mission to let them be

then you’re on a mission to let them be

then you’re on a mission to let them be incredibly happy and big kind of net

incredibly happy and big kind of net

incredibly happy and big kind of net promoters a big advocates um and big

promoters a big advocates um and big

promoters a big advocates um and big ambassadors and they’re part of the

ambassadors and they’re part of the

ambassadors and they’re part of the volunteer army that you pray I think if

volunteer army that you pray I think if

volunteer army that you pray I think if you have products that customers hate

you have products that customers hate

you have products that customers hate you need to stop marketing and start

you need to stop marketing and start

you need to stop marketing and start listening and retool the product right

listening and retool the product right

listening and retool the product right that like you just stop spending money

that like you just stop spending money

that like you just stop spending money trying to get new customers in if your

trying to get new customers in if your

trying to get new customers in if your current customers are really unhappy

current customers are really unhappy

current customers are really unhappy just listen to your customers and make

just listen to your customers and make

just listen to your customers and make them happy make the product better hey

them happy make the product better hey

them happy make the product better hey actually having I’ll tell you those toys

actually having I’ll tell you those toys

actually having I’ll tell you those toys so um 1998 in my startup company

so um 1998 in my startup company

so um 1998 in my startup company and we built it we thought as an awesome

and we built it we thought as an awesome

and we built it we thought as an awesome product the engineers were great down in

product the engineers were great down in

product the engineers were great down in California and then we actually ship the

California and then we actually ship the

California and then we actually ship the product to a few customers out on the

product to a few customers out on the

product to a few customers out on the East Coast and one of the customers in

East Coast and one of the customers in

East Coast and one of the customers in Wilmington at Chuck they’re pretty big

Wilmington at Chuck they’re pretty big

Wilmington at Chuck they’re pretty big brand name I probably not appropriate to

brand name I probably not appropriate to

brand name I probably not appropriate to tell you who they are but they picked up

tell you who they are but they picked up

tell you who they are but they picked up the phone to me one day and said you

the phone to me one day and said you

the phone to me one day and said you know your product sucks and it was in

know your product sucks and it was in

know your product sucks and it was in the call center and and I said look I’ll

the call center and and I said look I’ll

the call center and and I said look I’ll fly there and fix whatever whatever it

fly there and fix whatever whatever it

fly there and fix whatever whatever it takes because it’s really important we

takes because it’s really important we

takes because it’s really important we get you home and make you really happy

get you home and make you really happy

get you home and make you really happy that we’ve done the right thing for your

that we’ve done the right thing for your

that we’ve done the right thing for your business and I met with him and dumb it

business and I met with him and dumb it

business and I met with him and dumb it is office in the big glass office

is office in the big glass office

is office in the big glass office there’s all these people of the contact

there’s all these people of the contact

there’s all these people of the contact center and when when the contact center

center and when when the contact center

center and when when the contact center went down in those days this is kind of

went down in those days this is kind of

went down in those days this is kind of pre-internet so this is when there was

pre-internet so this is when there was

pre-internet so this is when there was really old technology and we were

really old technology and we were

really old technology and we were pioneering but when our all these agents

pioneering but when our all these agents

pioneering but when our all these agents put their hand up it meant some part of

put their hand up it meant some part of

put their hand up it meant some part of the system had gone down and I’ll

the system had gone down and I’ll

the system had gone down and I’ll sydney’s office glass doors and all

sydney’s office glass doors and all

sydney’s office glass doors and all these people putting their hands up and

these people putting their hands up and

these people putting their hands up and actually it wasn’t related to our

actually it wasn’t related to our

actually it wasn’t related to our product that their systems had gone down

product that their systems had gone down

product that their systems had gone down but he said that’s what I’m dealing with

but he said that’s what I’m dealing with

but he said that’s what I’m dealing with every day and he said and I’ll

every day and he said and I’ll

every day and he said and I’ll confiscate he gave me he said every one

confiscate he gave me he said every one

confiscate he gave me he said every one second we lose on call costs us three

second we lose on call costs us three

second we lose on call costs us three hundred thousand dollars so what did I

hundred thousand dollars so what did I

hundred thousand dollars so what did I do I went back to California I got all

do I went back to California I got all

do I went back to California I got all the engineers together I said guys we

the engineers together I said guys we

the engineers together I said guys we got a big problem we built something we

got a big problem we built something we

got a big problem we built something we thought with high integrity was an

thought with high integrity was an

thought with high integrity was an awesome product but it’s kind of not

awesome product but it’s kind of not

awesome product but it’s kind of not it’s not it’s ro tested we tested the

it’s not it’s ro tested we tested the

it’s not it’s ro tested we tested the quality all that stuff but it but it’s

quality all that stuff but it but it’s

quality all that stuff but it but it’s not doing the job we expected to do if

not doing the job we expected to do if

not doing the job we expected to do if so what I said was who’s up for going

so what I said was who’s up for going

so what I said was who’s up for going out to the east coast giving up their

out to the east coast giving up their

out to the east coast giving up their lives I’m making that product work and

lives I’m making that product work and

lives I’m making that product work and we had 20 engineers 20 engineers put

we had 20 engineers 20 engineers put

we had 20 engineers 20 engineers put their hand out most sense they said the

their hand out most sense they said the

their hand out most sense they said the dirt and literally I’m not kidding you

dirt and literally I’m not kidding you

dirt and literally I’m not kidding you we put him on a plane they went out

we put him on a plane they went out

we put him on a plane they went out there and they just camped with the

there and they just camped with the

there and they just camped with the customer in their IT department and they

customer in their IT department and they

customer in their IT department and they got that product working now reason why

got that product working now reason why

got that product working now reason why I’m telling you that it’s number one

I’m telling you that it’s number one

I’m telling you that it’s number one kind of a core belief I’ve always had

kind of a core belief I’ve always had

kind of a core belief I’ve always had from a baby really when I was watching

from a baby really when I was watching

from a baby really when I was watching my dad in the business you never let a

my dad in the business you never let a

my dad in the business you never let a customer Dale number to that customer

customer Dale number to that customer

customer Dale number to that customer became a raven advocate fan and he said

became a raven advocate fan and he said

became a raven advocate fan and he said you know in the world of technology

you know in the world of technology

you know in the world of technology technology never works away suppliers

technology never works away suppliers

technology never works away suppliers say it well but the great companies make

say it well but the great companies make

say it well but the great companies make it work according to what we as the

it work according to what we as the

it work according to what we as the customer once and then the third thing

customer once and then the third thing

customer once and then the third thing wow what a light bulb moment for those

wow what a light bulb moment for those

wow what a light bulb moment for those engineers when they came back to

engineers when they came back to

engineers when they came back to California number one there were rock

California number one there were rock

California number one there were rock stars but they said that was the best

stars but they said that was the best

stars but they said that was the best thing we ever did we could never have

thing we ever did we could never have

thing we ever did we could never have imagined how a customer would have used

imagined how a customer would have used

imagined how a customer would have used our product we back here in California

our product we back here in California

our product we back here in California general these clever sort of business

general these clever sort of business

general these clever sort of business analysis data flow diagram building

analysis data flow diagram building

analysis data flow diagram building product but when you actually see how

product but when you actually see how

product but when you actually see how customers use your product you’ve got no

customers use your product you’ve got no

customers use your product you’ve got no appreciation of how they use your

appreciation of how they use your

appreciation of how they use your product until you actually go out there

product until you actually go out there

product until you actually go out there and you’re sitting in the trenches next

and you’re sitting in the trenches next

and you’re sitting in the trenches next to customers seeing it so that comes

to customers seeing it so that comes

to customers seeing it so that comes back to you know that was an extreme

back to you know that was an extreme

back to you know that was an extreme example but off the back of that heaven

example but off the back of that heaven

example but off the back of that heaven we built 100 million dollar company in

we built 100 million dollar company in

we built 100 million dollar company in four years I’m sold that product to all

four years I’m sold that product to all

four years I’m sold that product to all the great institutions Canadian Tire um

the great institutions Canadian Tire um

the great institutions Canadian Tire um you know CIBC MetLife Barclays Bank all

you know CIBC MetLife Barclays Bank all

you know CIBC MetLife Barclays Bank all these great companies ah and the product

these great companies ah and the product

these great companies ah and the product won awards and those engineers they were

won awards and those engineers they were

won awards and those engineers they were the proudest people in the company and

the proudest people in the company and

the proudest people in the company and they they they put a fire out for a

they they they put a fire out for a

they they they put a fire out for a customer and they build a company

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