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Cleantech Does Not Exist | David Casale | TEDxOxford


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I’d like to untangle cleantech I don’t

I’d like to untangle cleantech I don’t like to untangle clean technology i want

like to untangle clean technology i want

like to untangle clean technology i want to put clean over there and technology

to put clean over there and technology

to put clean over there and technology over there because technology changes

over there because technology changes

over there because technology changes everything duh we know that all

everything duh we know that all

everything duh we know that all technology is clean all technology is

technology is clean all technology is

technology is clean all technology is green all technology is smart and all

green all technology is smart and all

green all technology is smart and all technology is sustainable and it’s

technology is sustainable and it’s

technology is sustainable and it’s always been that way new technologies

always been that way new technologies

always been that way new technologies improve the efficiency or the workings

improve the efficiency or the workings

improve the efficiency or the workings of goods and services that we need and

of goods and services that we need and

of goods and services that we need and only the new technologies that do that

only the new technologies that do that

only the new technologies that do that come into the world so by classifying

come into the world so by classifying

come into the world so by classifying them in that way we don’t really take

them in that way we don’t really take

them in that way we don’t really take ourselves any further forward all

ourselves any further forward all

ourselves any further forward all technologies is clean and technology

technologies is clean and technology

technologies is clean and technology changes everything we need to clean up

changes everything we need to clean up

changes everything we need to clean up the byproducts of our human existence

the byproducts of our human existence

the byproducts of our human existence these are the solids liquids and wastes

these are the solids liquids and wastes

these are the solids liquids and wastes that we’re responsible for I don’t get

that we’re responsible for I don’t get

that we’re responsible for I don’t get into too much detail but yes I’m talking

into too much detail but yes I’m talking

into too much detail but yes I’m talking about sanitation and clean rivers clean

about sanitation and clean rivers clean

about sanitation and clean rivers clean seas and clean air and clean air does me

seas and clean air and clean air does me

seas and clean air and clean air does me a decarbonisation but it means other

a decarbonisation but it means other

a decarbonisation but it means other things as well which have been with us

things as well which have been with us

things as well which have been with us for a very long time so I like us to go

for a very long time so I like us to go

for a very long time so I like us to go on a journey we’re going to celebrate

on a journey we’re going to celebrate

on a journey we’re going to celebrate what we’ve achieved so far we’re going

what we’ve achieved so far we’re going

what we’ve achieved so far we’re going to look at some of the challenges we’re

to look at some of the challenges we’re

to look at some of the challenges we’re going to leap into the future to 2200

going to leap into the future to 2200

going to leap into the future to 2200 because it’s a lot easier and we’re

because it’s a lot easier and we’re

because it’s a lot easier and we’re going to really have a look at what

going to really have a look at what

going to really have a look at what could be a very clean future for us and

could be a very clean future for us and

could be a very clean future for us and I just like to bring up one example of

I just like to bring up one example of

I just like to bring up one example of how this world is quite difficult when

how this world is quite difficult when

how this world is quite difficult when you look at things without taking a

you look at things without taking a

you look at things without taking a generous technology view I heard only

generous technology view I heard only

generous technology view I heard only last week that in the North Sea we need

last week that in the North Sea we need

last week that in the North Sea we need to decommission are all in gas

to decommission are all in gas

to decommission are all in gas facilities over the next year’s and

facilities over the next year’s and

facilities over the next year’s and where they’re looking at that they

where they’re looking at that they

where they’re looking at that they looked at the pipeline’s that we’ve laid

looked at the pipeline’s that we’ve laid

looked at the pipeline’s that we’ve laid and they looked at how we’re going to

and they looked at how we’re going to

and they looked at how we’re going to clean up these pipelines and then

clean up these pipelines and then

clean up these pipelines and then discovered that actually around the

discovered that actually around the

discovered that actually around the pipeline’s where you’re not allowed to

pipeline’s where you’re not allowed to

pipeline’s where you’re not allowed to fish where rocks have been placed over

fish where rocks have been placed over

fish where rocks have been placed over the pipeline

the pipeline

the pipeline were in environments where fish were

were in environments where fish were

were in environments where fish were actually thriving and next to that way

actually thriving and next to that way

actually thriving and next to that way you were allowed to fish we’ve been

you were allowed to fish we’ve been

you were allowed to fish we’ve been hunting down the last herring for years

hunting down the last herring for years

hunting down the last herring for years so it is a complicated situation I hope

so it is a complicated situation I hope

so it is a complicated situation I hope to make it a little bit simpler and I

to make it a little bit simpler and I

to make it a little bit simpler and I just want to take you to your little

just want to take you to your little

just want to take you to your little perspective we’re going to try and

perspective we’re going to try and

perspective we’re going to try and prevent the crocodiles from winning here

prevent the crocodiles from winning here

prevent the crocodiles from winning here because the crocodiles have been around

because the crocodiles have been around

because the crocodiles have been around for 300 million years and I think they

for 300 million years and I think they

for 300 million years and I think they saw every now and again look up and see

saw every now and again look up and see

saw every now and again look up and see what we’re doing they see things like

what we’re doing they see things like

what we’re doing they see things like save the planet when actually in science

save the planet when actually in science

save the planet when actually in science the planets fine the planets going to be

the planets fine the planets going to be

the planets fine the planets going to be here in three hundred million years

here in three hundred million years

here in three hundred million years floating around doing what it does

floating around doing what it does

floating around doing what it does spinning around it’s actually life on

spinning around it’s actually life on

spinning around it’s actually life on the planet that is a little bit more

the planet that is a little bit more

the planet that is a little bit more interesting and one that I want to

interesting and one that I want to

interesting and one that I want to demonstrate has a great future so we’re

demonstrate has a great future so we’re

demonstrate has a great future so we’re going to go on a journey from caveman

going to go on a journey from caveman

going to go on a journey from caveman Dave to space man Dave we’re going to

Dave to space man Dave we’re going to

Dave to space man Dave we’re going to look at some of the energy services that

look at some of the energy services that

look at some of the energy services that have been needed overtime and some of

have been needed overtime and some of

have been needed overtime and some of the technologies and how we’ve gone

the technologies and how we’ve gone

the technologies and how we’ve gone about cleaning up our act first and

about cleaning up our act first and

about cleaning up our act first and foremost obviously one of the issues

foremost obviously one of the issues

foremost obviously one of the issues around this that we need to debate a

around this that we need to debate a

around this that we need to debate a little bit more than we do at the moment

little bit more than we do at the moment

little bit more than we do at the moment is the number of Dave’s does make a

is the number of Dave’s does make a

is the number of Dave’s does make a difference and I recommend you look at a

difference and I recommend you look at a

difference and I recommend you look at a talk given by hands heads Rosling in

talk given by hands heads Rosling in

talk given by hands heads Rosling in 2012 called religion and babies I’m not

2012 called religion and babies I’m not

2012 called religion and babies I’m not going to give that talk now you’ll be

going to give that talk now you’ll be

going to give that talk now you’ll be relieved here but in summary hands shows

relieved here but in summary hands shows

relieved here but in summary hands shows that we are basically heading towards a

that we are basically heading towards a

that we are basically heading towards a plateauing of our population on the

plateauing of our population on the

plateauing of our population on the planet at around nine billion and the UN

planet at around nine billion and the UN

planet at around nine billion and the UN Population division have got three

Population division have got three

Population division have got three scenarios of one around the 9 10 billion

scenarios of one around the 9 10 billion

scenarios of one around the 9 10 billion which which maps with what hance is

which which maps with what hance is

which which maps with what hance is saying and one which is really quite

saying and one which is really quite

saying and one which is really quite large goes up 23 billion there’s one

large goes up 23 billion there’s one

large goes up 23 billion there’s one that goes down to three which seems to

that goes down to three which seems to

that goes down to three which seems to be a very credible this is quite an

be a very credible this is quite an

be a very credible this is quite an important difference if you’re an

important difference if you’re an

important difference if you’re an engineer wanting to clean up the world

engineer wanting to clean up the world

engineer wanting to clean up the world the graph you’re looking at is really

the graph you’re looking at is really

the graph you’re looking at is really the nine billion one that the three

the nine billion one that the three

the nine billion one that the three billion one really is exciting and but

billion one really is exciting and but

billion one really is exciting and but we’re going out to 2200 hit with this is

we’re going out to 2200 hit with this is

we’re going out to 2200 hit with this is it’s a long-term project projection

it’s a long-term project projection

it’s a long-term project projection these are always dangerous hands

these are always dangerous hands

these are always dangerous hands basically and it’s talk shows that in

basically and it’s talk shows that in

basically and it’s talk shows that in order to get a replacement fertility

order to get a replacement fertility

order to get a replacement fertility rate which is how you peek out a

rate which is how you peek out a

rate which is how you peek out a population growth you know a fertility

population growth you know a fertility

population growth you know a fertility rate of two is what you’re looking at

rate of two is what you’re looking at

rate of two is what you’re looking at and that we are we see around the world

and that we are we see around the world

and that we are we see around the world where mortality rates are coming down

where mortality rates are coming down

where mortality rates are coming down but we are actually achieving that

but we are actually achieving that

but we are actually achieving that there’s really a lot of things to

there’s really a lot of things to

there’s really a lot of things to celebrate in that area I’m not going to

celebrate in that area I’m not going to

celebrate in that area I’m not going to talk more about that I’ve just taken the

talk more about that I’ve just taken the

talk more about that I’ve just taken the load curve from

load curve from

load curve from I talk okay so let’s go on this journey

I talk okay so let’s go on this journey

I talk okay so let’s go on this journey caveman Dave exists in the year thought

caveman Dave exists in the year thought

caveman Dave exists in the year thought the energy services that caveman Dave

the energy services that caveman Dave

the energy services that caveman Dave needed basically were food and heat he

needed basically were food and heat he

needed basically were food and heat he invented this thing which is a bit of

invented this thing which is a bit of

invented this thing which is a bit of cleantech or technology if you like you

cleantech or technology if you like you

cleantech or technology if you like you know but it was highly effective it was

know but it was highly effective it was

know but it was highly effective it was we’ve always done this from the

we’ve always done this from the

we’ve always done this from the beginning of time we pick things up we

beginning of time we pick things up we

beginning of time we pick things up we make them work we break them we put them

make them work we break them we put them

make them work we break them we put them to good use caveman dave was able to go

to good use caveman dave was able to go

to good use caveman dave was able to go really quite long distances around the

really quite long distances around the

really quite long distances around the world using that technology chamberpot

world using that technology chamberpot

world using that technology chamberpot Dave in the 1950s now that is really

Dave in the 1950s now that is really

Dave in the 1950s now that is really William Shakespeare to link brilliantly

William Shakespeare to link brilliantly

William Shakespeare to link brilliantly to the previous speech in 1850 the

to the previous speech in 1850 the

to the previous speech in 1850 the chamberpot basically was a technology

chamberpot basically was a technology

chamberpot basically was a technology where you threw it out the door and that

where you threw it out the door and that

where you threw it out the door and that drain going down the middle was the

drain going down the middle was the

drain going down the middle was the technology by which you these slides

technology by which you these slides

technology by which you these slides aren’t meant to be going forward behind

the the waste products from that

the the waste products from that literally washed into the River Thames

literally washed into the River Thames

literally washed into the River Thames and in 1850 the River Thames which

and in 1850 the River Thames which

and in 1850 the River Thames which declared dead in fact it was so dead

declared dead in fact it was so dead

declared dead in fact it was so dead it’s thanks so much that the houses of

it’s thanks so much that the houses of

it’s thanks so much that the houses of parliament on the banks the River Thames

parliament on the banks the River Thames

parliament on the banks the River Thames had to have a recess summer recess and

had to have a recess summer recess and

had to have a recess summer recess and they still have a summer recess but the

they still have a summer recess but the

they still have a summer recess but the Thames isn’t as dirty as it used to be

Thames isn’t as dirty as it used to be

Thames isn’t as dirty as it used to be but this problem is still with us around

but this problem is still with us around

but this problem is still with us around the world and loads of people on our

the world and loads of people on our

the world and loads of people on our planet are still living the life of the

planet are still living the life of the

planet are still living the life of the solid shank chamberpot Dave and we’ll

solid shank chamberpot Dave and we’ll

solid shank chamberpot Dave and we’ll have a look at what what the projections

have a look at what what the projections

have a look at what what the projections for that I like moving on dangerous Dave

for that I like moving on dangerous Dave

for that I like moving on dangerous Dave are called him dangerous Dave in the

are called him dangerous Dave in the

are called him dangerous Dave in the 1950s because dangerous they’ve created

1950s because dangerous they’ve created

1950s because dangerous they’ve created this combination of coal and steel and

this combination of coal and steel and

this combination of coal and steel and was able to power himself across America

was able to power himself across America

was able to power himself across America and these fantastic machines that we

and these fantastic machines that we

and these fantastic machines that we created that enabled economic

created that enabled economic

created that enabled economic development enable us to clean up our

development enable us to clean up our

development enable us to clean up our sewer system for example that you know

sewer system for example that you know

sewer system for example that you know the Victorians had helped us out with an

the Victorians had helped us out with an

the Victorians had helped us out with an chamber pot days problems were at a

chamber pot days problems were at a

chamber pot days problems were at a large extent solved in London through

large extent solved in London through

large extent solved in London through the use of of the Victorian sewers

the use of of the Victorian sewers

the use of of the Victorian sewers coal-fired power stations enable people

coal-fired power stations enable people

coal-fired power stations enable people to have heat light throughout the

to have heat light throughout the

to have heat light throughout the developing work that the developing

developing work that the developing

developing work that the developing world obviously still in parts of the

world obviously still in parts of the

world obviously still in parts of the world we don’t have that service

world we don’t have that service

world we don’t have that service available to all and we really need to

available to all and we really need to

available to all and we really need to be able to do that

be able to do that

be able to do that were side effects of that and we had

were side effects of that and we had

were side effects of that and we had smoke in the 1950s and that’s when we

smoke in the 1950s and that’s when we

smoke in the 1950s and that’s when we saw the first Clean Air Act coming with

saw the first Clean Air Act coming with

saw the first Clean Air Act coming with the with a clean air act in the UK of

the with a clean air act in the UK of

the with a clean air act in the UK of 1956 i think it was disco dave was when

1956 i think it was disco dave was when

1956 i think it was disco dave was when the party really started you know it was

the party really started you know it was

the party really started you know it was gay life was good we had Earth Day in

gay life was good we had Earth Day in

gay life was good we had Earth Day in the 1970s we have Margaret Thatcher’s

the 1970s we have Margaret Thatcher’s

the 1970s we have Margaret Thatcher’s speech to the United Nations in 1989 a

speech to the United Nations in 1989 a

speech to the United Nations in 1989 a fantastic summary of the challenges that

fantastic summary of the challenges that

fantastic summary of the challenges that lie ahead 30 years later was still kind

lie ahead 30 years later was still kind

lie ahead 30 years later was still kind of arguing about it but the science is

of arguing about it but the science is

of arguing about it but the science is really now leveling out so it’s about

really now leveling out so it’s about

really now leveling out so it’s about the solutions and in 1992 we had the rio

the solutions and in 1992 we had the rio

the solutions and in 1992 we had the rio earth summit we also worked out the

earth summit we also worked out the

earth summit we also worked out the energy efficiency was a fantastic thing

energy efficiency was a fantastic thing

energy efficiency was a fantastic thing and we really are getting really

and we really are getting really

and we really are getting really exciting figures coming through on

exciting figures coming through on

exciting figures coming through on energy efficiency for example in today

energy efficiency for example in today

energy efficiency for example in today in the United Kingdom we use about the

in the United Kingdom we use about the

in the United Kingdom we use about the same amount of electricity as we did in

same amount of electricity as we did in

same amount of electricity as we did in 1995 and it’s somebody that used to as a

1995 and it’s somebody that used to as a

1995 and it’s somebody that used to as a job build power stations that’s quite

job build power stations that’s quite

job build power stations that’s quite terrifying because this upward sloping

terrifying because this upward sloping

terrifying because this upward sloping graph that we’ve had for years are

graph that we’ve had for years are

graph that we’ve had for years are always needing another power station

always needing another power station

always needing another power station every year has gone away and with energy

every year has gone away and with energy

every year has gone away and with energy efficiency with becoming a lot better

efficiency with becoming a lot better

efficiency with becoming a lot better efficient users of energy peak day where

efficient users of energy peak day where

efficient users of energy peak day where we all live peak dave where we’re living

we all live peak dave where we’re living

we all live peak dave where we’re living in peak dave right now so we don’t need

in peak dave right now so we don’t need

in peak dave right now so we don’t need to talk about peak dave too much but we

to talk about peak dave too much but we

to talk about peak dave too much but we have had urbanisation we’ve seen talks

have had urbanisation we’ve seen talks

have had urbanisation we’ve seen talks and videos about urbanization and guess

and videos about urbanization and guess

and videos about urbanization and guess what chamberpot dave is still a problem

what chamberpot dave is still a problem

what chamberpot dave is still a problem in London we have one of the biggest

in London we have one of the biggest

in London we have one of the biggest infrastructure projects underway the

infrastructure projects underway the

infrastructure projects underway the Thames Tideway which is going to be

Thames Tideway which is going to be

Thames Tideway which is going to be stretching right across London it’s 66

stretching right across London it’s 66

stretching right across London it’s 66 meters deep it’s seven metres wide it’s

meters deep it’s seven metres wide it’s

meters deep it’s seven metres wide it’s connecting up with the Victorian sewer

connecting up with the Victorian sewer

connecting up with the Victorian sewer system so we’re still working on that

system so we’re still working on that

system so we’re still working on that issue that chamber pot Dave had or or

issue that chamber pot Dave had or or

issue that chamber pot Dave had or or William Shakespeare as we know from the

William Shakespeare as we know from the

William Shakespeare as we know from the past but the great news is is the Thames

past but the great news is is the Thames

past but the great news is is the Thames is not dead the Thames is alive it’s not

is not dead the Thames is alive it’s not

is not dead the Thames is alive it’s not alive in the way that it was a thousand

alive in the way that it was a thousand

alive in the way that it was a thousand years ago but it’s actually really quite

years ago but it’s actually really quite

years ago but it’s actually really quite healthy and so are some 2,000

healthy and so are some 2,000

healthy and so are some 2,000 tributaries that feed into the Thames

tributaries that feed into the Thames

tributaries that feed into the Thames would declare clean but that is not true

would declare clean but that is not true

would declare clean but that is not true for everyone around the world so we have

for everyone around the world so we have

for everyone around the world so we have lots of areas where people are living

lots of areas where people are living

lots of areas where people are living less well and we have some old friends

less well and we have some old friends

less well and we have some old friends come back to haunt us with smog in

come back to haunt us with smog in

come back to haunt us with smog in Beijing and smoke in London the future

Beijing and smoke in London the future

Beijing and smoke in London the future days of the world have been born and

they have fantastic technologies

they have fantastic technologies available to them I’m not ruling out any

available to them I’m not ruling out any

available to them I’m not ruling out any technologies here all of these

technologies here all of these

technologies here all of these technologies are viable and they really

technologies are viable and they really

technologies are viable and they really are like the axe they are really going

are like the axe they are really going

are like the axe they are really going to propagate across the world very

to propagate across the world very

to propagate across the world very rapidly they’re low cost they’re

rapidly they’re low cost they’re

rapidly they’re low cost they’re deliverable at scale you can put a solar

deliverable at scale you can put a solar

deliverable at scale you can put a solar power plant up a thousand megawatt power

power plant up a thousand megawatt power

power plant up a thousand megawatt power plant up in a matter of months and this

plant up in a matter of months and this

plant up in a matter of months and this is going to be transformed this is great

is going to be transformed this is great

is going to be transformed this is great news so I’m just going to hopefully just

news so I’m just going to hopefully just

news so I’m just going to hopefully just stop the graph a minute just have a look

stop the graph a minute just have a look

stop the graph a minute just have a look at some math and I hope you’re all were

at some math and I hope you’re all were

at some math and I hope you’re all were paying attention during Joe’s great

paying attention during Joe’s great

paying attention during Joe’s great speech about math so you know get to

speech about math so you know get to

speech about math so you know get to challenged about this but basically this

challenged about this but basically this

challenged about this but basically this is an idea and it was it’s in sir david

is an idea and it was it’s in sir david

is an idea and it was it’s in sir david McCoy’s book unfortunately passed away

McCoy’s book unfortunately passed away

McCoy’s book unfortunately passed away last year sustainability without the hot

last year sustainability without the hot

last year sustainability without the hot air and that book had he been alive I

air and that book had he been alive I

air and that book had he been alive I would have tried to persuade him to call

would have tried to persuade him to call

would have tried to persuade him to call it energy without the hot air but never

it energy without the hot air but never

it energy without the hot air but never mind we’re just going to look at the

mind we’re just going to look at the

mind we’re just going to look at the daily energy services needs in

daily energy services needs in

daily energy services needs in kilowatt-hours a sort of energy unit

kilowatt-hours a sort of energy unit

kilowatt-hours a sort of energy unit don’t worry about it and the number of

don’t worry about it and the number of

don’t worry about it and the number of daves that we’ve got and look at what

daves that we’ve got and look at what

daves that we’ve got and look at what that means for world energy consumption

that means for world energy consumption

that means for world energy consumption so if we look at the day’s all these

so if we look at the day’s all these

so if we look at the day’s all these different days their energy use per

different days their energy use per

different days their energy use per capita per day they need food they need

capita per day they need food they need

capita per day they need food they need heat and light and they need transport

heat and light and they need transport

heat and light and they need transport and they need public services and some

and they need public services and some

and they need public services and some other stuff so what you see is caveman

other stuff so what you see is caveman

other stuff so what you see is caveman Dave you know there he is with his with

Dave you know there he is with his with

Dave you know there he is with his with his is food and is he inefficient use of

his is food and is he inefficient use of

his is food and is he inefficient use of heat I reckon going through to chamber

heat I reckon going through to chamber

heat I reckon going through to chamber pot Dave Shakespeare’s era and what

pot Dave Shakespeare’s era and what

pot Dave Shakespeare’s era and what we’ve really got is peak day but I don’t

we’ve really got is peak day but I don’t

we’ve really got is peak day but I don’t think these charts have come across as

think these charts have come across as

think these charts have come across as well as I’d like but but what we’ve got

well as I’d like but but what we’ve got

well as I’d like but but what we’ve got there is peak dave and future Dave to

there is peak dave and future Dave to

there is peak dave and future Dave to the right-hand side and then we’ve got

the right-hand side and then we’ve got

the right-hand side and then we’ve got this middle ground where I’m not dealing

this middle ground where I’m not dealing

this middle ground where I’m not dealing with the here and now issues I’m leaping

with the here and now issues I’m leaping

with the here and now issues I’m leaping forward to say that in 2200 spaceman

forward to say that in 2200 spaceman

forward to say that in 2200 spaceman Dave may not need to use that much

Dave may not need to use that much

Dave may not need to use that much energy because energy efficiency is

energy because energy efficiency is

energy because energy efficiency is going to make a difference in heat and

going to make a difference in heat and

going to make a difference in heat and it’s going to make a difference in

it’s going to make a difference in

it’s going to make a difference in transport so they’re all the Dave’s and

transport so they’re all the Dave’s and

transport so they’re all the Dave’s and their energy services needs on a daily

their energy services needs on a daily

their energy services needs on a daily basis if we look at the number of Dave’s

basis if we look at the number of Dave’s

basis if we look at the number of Dave’s then we’ve had this shot before it’s

then we’ve had this shot before it’s

then we’ve had this shot before it’s just replaying it but putting the Dave’s

just replaying it but putting the Dave’s

just replaying it but putting the Dave’s down so caveman Davis kind of

down so caveman Davis kind of

down so caveman Davis kind of disappearing from our world obviously

disappearing from our world obviously

disappearing from our world obviously although I would just like to make the

although I would just like to make the

although I would just like to make the point that

point that

point that the off-grid community out there that

the off-grid community out there that

the off-grid community out there that wishing to disconnect themselves in the

wishing to disconnect themselves in the

wishing to disconnect themselves in the grid they are going to have sort of

grid they are going to have sort of

grid they are going to have sort of energy services needs not totally

energy services needs not totally

energy services needs not totally dissimilar to caveman Dave chamber pot

dissimilar to caveman Dave chamber pot

dissimilar to caveman Dave chamber pot de ville William Shakespeare area we are

de ville William Shakespeare area we are

de ville William Shakespeare area we are fortunate fortunately looking at that

fortunate fortunately looking at that

fortunate fortunately looking at that disappearing completely by 2015 I think

disappearing completely by 2015 I think

disappearing completely by 2015 I think in that since 1990 something like 1.8

in that since 1990 something like 1.8

in that since 1990 something like 1.8 billion people have had improved

billion people have had improved

billion people have had improved sanitation services so we seem to be

sanitation services so we seem to be

sanitation services so we seem to be cleaning up our act they’re dangerous

cleaning up our act they’re dangerous

cleaning up our act they’re dangerous dave is you know he’s popular if you

dave is you know he’s popular if you

dave is you know he’s popular if you pick coal up and you could just shovel

pick coal up and you could just shovel

pick coal up and you could just shovel it up and put in a boiler it’s very

it up and put in a boiler it’s very

it up and put in a boiler it’s very effective at producing power and and and

effective at producing power and and and

effective at producing power and and and transport and that carries on into the

transport and that carries on into the

transport and that carries on into the 2050s and we’ll have we’ll have that for

2050s and we’ll have we’ll have that for

2050s and we’ll have we’ll have that for some time to come but coal is is

some time to come but coal is is

some time to come but coal is is probably going to see itself replaced by

probably going to see itself replaced by

probably going to see itself replaced by other fuels as has always happened over

other fuels as has always happened over

other fuels as has always happened over time disco dave that party is really

time disco dave that party is really

time disco dave that party is really starting to go it mainly in in asia and

starting to go it mainly in in asia and

starting to go it mainly in in asia and those kind of countries where you’re

those kind of countries where you’re

those kind of countries where you’re seeing those kind of lifestyles

seeing those kind of lifestyles

seeing those kind of lifestyles propagate many many more millions of

propagate many many more millions of

propagate many many more millions of people wanting to to travel money more

people wanting to to travel money more

people wanting to to travel money more people wanting to enjoy the benefits of

people wanting to enjoy the benefits of

people wanting to enjoy the benefits of that life and we what I’m really trying

that life and we what I’m really trying

that life and we what I’m really trying to suggest is we kind of stand on the

to suggest is we kind of stand on the

to suggest is we kind of stand on the shoulders all these people we progress

shoulders all these people we progress

shoulders all these people we progress through technology and we should

through technology and we should

through technology and we should celebrate that that’s a great thing we

celebrate that that’s a great thing we

celebrate that that’s a great thing we do make a mess but but maybe we can

do make a mess but but maybe we can

do make a mess but but maybe we can clean that mess up and then we’ve got

clean that mess up and then we’ve got

clean that mess up and then we’ve got the people that are the peak days that

the people that are the peak days that

the people that are the peak days that we have probably all peak days in this

we have probably all peak days in this

we have probably all peak days in this room moving out to trying to get to the

room moving out to trying to get to the

room moving out to trying to get to the Future days that we thoughts about so

Future days that we thoughts about so

Future days that we thoughts about so that by the time we get to space man

that by the time we get to space man

that by the time we get to space man Dave you know if we could have a

Dave you know if we could have a

Dave you know if we could have a population around three billion you know

population around three billion you know

population around three billion you know then then that would could make quite a

then then that would could make quite a

then then that would could make quite a big difference to this issue so space

big difference to this issue so space

big difference to this issue so space man Dave what’s the world energy

man Dave what’s the world energy

man Dave what’s the world energy consumption going to look like in 2200

consumption going to look like in 2200

consumption going to look like in 2200 do we really know we don’t really know

do we really know we don’t really know

do we really know we don’t really know I’m not really making that I’ll just

I’m not really making that I’ll just

I’m not really making that I’ll just saying this is interested sir I do that

saying this is interested sir I do that

saying this is interested sir I do that maybe we can do this and so let’s just

maybe we can do this and so let’s just

maybe we can do this and so let’s just look at world energy consumption and how

look at world energy consumption and how

look at world energy consumption and how that would be affected if if those

that would be affected if if those

that would be affected if if those projections for energy use of future

projections for energy use of future

projections for energy use of future Dave and peak dave and spaceman Dave

Dave and peak dave and spaceman Dave

Dave and peak dave and spaceman Dave turn out to be correct and we get any

turn out to be correct and we get any

turn out to be correct and we get any more energy efficiency coming in and we

more energy efficiency coming in and we

more energy efficiency coming in and we don’t don’t create a new service I mean

don’t don’t create a new service I mean

don’t don’t create a new service I mean if we create space travel or something

if we create space travel or something

if we create space travel or something then that’s going to be outside the plan

then that’s going to be outside the plan

then that’s going to be outside the plan anyway so I’m not sure how to put that

anyway so I’m not sure how to put that

anyway so I’m not sure how to put that on the graph but if we just look at the

on the graph but if we just look at the

on the graph but if we just look at the lifestyles we have at the moment at peak

lifestyles we have at the moment at peak

lifestyles we have at the moment at peak it looks like that might be all we need

it looks like that might be all we need

it looks like that might be all we need and the people were happy that we could

and the people were happy that we could

and the people were happy that we could propagate that more widely so world

propagate that more widely so world

propagate that more widely so world energy consumption caveman Dave

energy consumption caveman Dave

energy consumption caveman Dave disappears chamber pot Dave doesn’t

disappears chamber pot Dave doesn’t

disappears chamber pot Dave doesn’t exist very much going out to 2200

exist very much going out to 2200

exist very much going out to 2200 dangerous dave has disappeared we still

dangerous dave has disappeared we still

dangerous dave has disappeared we still have quite a lot of people looking at

have quite a lot of people looking at

have quite a lot of people looking at disco de peak dave so we have peaked

disco de peak dave so we have peaked

disco de peak dave so we have peaked Dave’s in 2200 and we have future days

Dave’s in 2200 and we have future days

Dave’s in 2200 and we have future days in 2200 and that energy consumption is

in 2200 and that energy consumption is

in 2200 and that energy consumption is something like sixty percent lower than

something like sixty percent lower than

something like sixty percent lower than we currently have and if you look at the

we currently have and if you look at the

we currently have and if you look at the technologies that we’ve got available to

technologies that we’ve got available to

technologies that we’ve got available to us today then I think as an engineer

us today then I think as an engineer

us today then I think as an engineer working in this industry that is a very

working in this industry that is a very

working in this industry that is a very achievable goal something we should be

achievable goal something we should be

achievable goal something we should be very excited about that we’re going to

very excited about that we’re going to

very excited about that we’re going to disappoint those crocodiles and we’re

disappoint those crocodiles and we’re

disappoint those crocodiles and we’re going to be around for a long time to

going to be around for a long time to

going to be around for a long time to come and we’ve kind of always done it

come and we’ve kind of always done it

come and we’ve kind of always done it this way we do make messes we do have to

this way we do make messes we do have to

this way we do make messes we do have to nobles and we do have the River Thames

nobles and we do have the River Thames

nobles and we do have the River Thames but like the River Thames we can clean

but like the River Thames we can clean

but like the River Thames we can clean it up and like Chernobyl sometimes it’s

it up and like Chernobyl sometimes it’s

it up and like Chernobyl sometimes it’s not as bad I’m not recommending that we

not as bad I’m not recommending that we

not as bad I’m not recommending that we do that but but it’s not as bad as we

do that but but it’s not as bad as we

do that but but it’s not as bad as we sometimes think it’s going to be and I

sometimes think it’s going to be and I

sometimes think it’s going to be and I don’t think the situation we are in now

don’t think the situation we are in now

don’t think the situation we are in now with regards to technology and making a

with regards to technology and making a

with regards to technology and making a world of clean place is anywhere near as

world of clean place is anywhere near as

world of clean place is anywhere near as bad as some of the stories are out that

bad as some of the stories are out that

bad as some of the stories are out that I think we’ve got a great chance of

I think we’ve got a great chance of

I think we’ve got a great chance of reaching this goal the good news is in

reaching this goal the good news is in

reaching this goal the good news is in the work that I do for the energy

the work that I do for the energy

the work that I do for the energy research partnership looking at the

research partnership looking at the

research partnership looking at the utility of 2050 which is relatively

utility of 2050 which is relatively

utility of 2050 which is relatively nearby yeah we do have all the tools we

nearby yeah we do have all the tools we

nearby yeah we do have all the tools we need to do this you know so that’s

need to do this you know so that’s

need to do this you know so that’s that’s great news so I would just like

that’s great news so I would just like

that’s great news so I would just like to leave you with one thought about

to leave you with one thought about

to leave you with one thought about space man Dave and I have with me a two

space man Dave and I have with me a two

space man Dave and I have with me a two pound coin and round the two pound coin

pound coin and round the two pound coin

pound coin and round the two pound coin it says standing on the shoulders of

it says standing on the shoulders of

it says standing on the shoulders of Dave’s actually doesn’t say that it says

Dave’s actually doesn’t say that it says

Dave’s actually doesn’t say that it says standing on the shoulders of giants and

standing on the shoulders of giants and

standing on the shoulders of giants and I think we are standing on the shoulders

I think we are standing on the shoulders

I think we are standing on the shoulders of giants we have come a very long way

of giants we have come a very long way

of giants we have come a very long way and I believe that we got a very good

and I believe that we got a very good

and I believe that we got a very good and clean future thank you very much

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