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How to make your IDEA make MONEY – Evan & @SKellyCEO


i right everybody welcome to another

i right everybody welcome to another blog slash hangout super excited to have

blog slash hangout super excited to have

blog slash hangout super excited to have my friend and special guest Stephen

my friend and special guest Stephen

my friend and special guest Stephen Kelly CEO of sage to talk to us today

Kelly CEO of sage to talk to us today

Kelly CEO of sage to talk to us today about how to get your idea to make you

about how to get your idea to make you

about how to get your idea to make you money it’s great to have you back

money it’s great to have you back

money it’s great to have you back Stephen you’re you’re in your London

Stephen you’re you’re in your London

Stephen you’re you’re in your London office again yeah I’m in London today

office again yeah I’m in London today

office again yeah I’m in London today heading out to the US next week but I

heading out to the US next week but I

heading out to the US next week but I just hear today really good to be here

just hear today really good to be here

just hear today really good to be here haven’t really looking forward to this

haven’t really looking forward to this

haven’t really looking forward to this one the big idea and how that kind of

one the big idea and how that kind of

one the big idea and how that kind of makes money good I think this is the

makes money good I think this is the

makes money good I think this is the first time we’ve done back-to-back

first time we’ve done back-to-back

first time we’ve done back-to-back you’re actually in the same location

you’re actually in the same location

you’re actually in the same location because you’re always but somewhere else

because you’re always but somewhere else

because you’re always but somewhere else in the world so you got you got some

in the world so you got you got some

in the world so you got you got some time to be at home yeah it’s good well

time to be at home yeah it’s good well

time to be at home yeah it’s good well you know my my job like any

you know my my job like any

you know my my job like any entrepreneurs out there with customers

entrepreneurs out there with customers

entrepreneurs out there with customers colleagues connecting the two and that’s

colleagues connecting the two and that’s

colleagues connecting the two and that’s where the magic happens so that means I

where the magic happens so that means I

where the magic happens so that means I spend a lot of time out on the road cool

spend a lot of time out on the road cool

spend a lot of time out on the road cool well we got a ton of questions coming in

well we got a ton of questions coming in

well we got a ton of questions coming in but but before diving in on that I

but but before diving in on that I

but but before diving in on that I wanted to get kind of your high-level

wanted to get kind of your high-level

wanted to get kind of your high-level thoughts your single biggest piece of

thoughts your single biggest piece of

thoughts your single biggest piece of advice for entrepreneurs we’re trying to

advice for entrepreneurs we’re trying to

advice for entrepreneurs we’re trying to make money for their idea what would you

make money for their idea what would you

make money for their idea what would you tell them

tell them

tell them yeah actually I’m ironic is probably

yeah actually I’m ironic is probably

yeah actually I’m ironic is probably counterintuitive

counterintuitive

counterintuitive I’d say focus on your big idea think

I’d say focus on your big idea think

I’d say focus on your big idea think about who you serve in what difference

about who you serve in what difference

about who you serve in what difference is making to them and how it changes

is making to them and how it changes

is making to them and how it changes lives and money follows I would always

lives and money follows I would always

lives and money follows I would always say never kind of pursue this holy grail

say never kind of pursue this holy grail

say never kind of pursue this holy grail of money because that’s not real always

of money because that’s not real always

of money because that’s not real always kind of come back to what we said before

kind of come back to what we said before

kind of come back to what we said before be passionate about big idea believe in

be passionate about big idea believe in

be passionate about big idea believe in yourself really focus on the customer

yourself really focus on the customer

yourself really focus on the customer value and you’ll build a great business

value and you’ll build a great business

value and you’ll build a great business and we’ll get on to detail and some

and we’ll get on to detail and some

and we’ll get on to detail and some examples of that during this glad I’m

examples of that during this glad I’m

examples of that during this glad I’m sure but it’s really the key focus is

sure but it’s really the key focus is

sure but it’s really the key focus is what what problem you’re really trying

what what problem you’re really trying

what what problem you’re really trying to solve what value you’re gonna create

to solve what value you’re gonna create

to solve what value you’re gonna create and then scale that up really kind of

and then scale that up really kind of

and then scale that up really kind of come over any bumps in the road that you

come over any bumps in the road that you

come over any bumps in the road that you have enormous resilience that takes we

have enormous resilience that takes we

have enormous resilience that takes we know and and the great thing about the

know and and the great thing about the

know and and the great thing about the idea the idea changes on the journey and

idea the idea changes on the journey and

idea the idea changes on the journey and the more you test yet the better the

the more you test yet the better the

the more you test yet the better the idea becomes so and and then you pursue

idea becomes so and and then you pursue

idea becomes so and and then you pursue it you know we’ve talked about this so

it you know we’ve talked about this so

it you know we’ve talked about this so many times but it’s so true yeah you

many times but it’s so true yeah you

many times but it’s so true yeah you know pursue your passion and money is

know pursue your passion and money is

know pursue your passion and money is the byproduct of the fruits of your

the byproduct of the fruits of your

the byproduct of the fruits of your labor and you have delighted happy

labor and you have delighted happy

labor and you have delighted happy customers

customers

customers and a volunteer army out there I love it

and a volunteer army out there I love it

and a volunteer army out there I love it and I love the word value because for me

and I love the word value because for me

and I love the word value because for me you know business about providing value

you know business about providing value

you know business about providing value the more value provide the more money

the more value provide the more money

the more value provide the more money you’re gonna make you want to make a lot

you’re gonna make you want to make a lot

you’re gonna make you want to make a lot of money provide a lot of value want to

of money provide a lot of value want to

of money provide a lot of value want to make a lot of money quickly provide a

make a lot of money quickly provide a

make a lot of money quickly provide a lot of value quickly that that’s the

lot of value quickly that that’s the

lot of value quickly that that’s the endgame and I think you know starting

endgame and I think you know starting

endgame and I think you know starting the business around something that

the business around something that

the business around something that you’re also is valuable for you not just

you’re also is valuable for you not just

you’re also is valuable for you not just a customer’s like you’re scratching your

a customer’s like you’re scratching your

a customer’s like you’re scratching your own itch

own itch

own itch like a lot of successful business has

like a lot of successful business has

like a lot of successful business has been started that way and we’ll get into

been started that way and we’ll get into

been started that way and we’ll get into the details because there’s tons of

the details because there’s tons of

the details because there’s tons of questions coming in so so let’s dive in

questions coming in so so let’s dive in

questions coming in so so let’s dive in the first one came from a pal velov at

the first one came from a pal velov at

the first one came from a pal velov at pal the knob sorry said that everyone

pal the knob sorry said that everyone

pal the knob sorry said that everyone how do you validate the idea before

how do you validate the idea before

how do you validate the idea before spending time building it I think yeah

spending time building it I think yeah

spending time building it I think yeah first of all come up with an idea and

first of all come up with an idea and

first of all come up with an idea and it’s normally a pain point there’s a lot

it’s normally a pain point there’s a lot

it’s normally a pain point there’s a lot of examples where you in your lives will

of examples where you in your lives will

of examples where you in your lives will know a frustration of a consumer you

know a frustration of a consumer you

know a frustration of a consumer you look at actually which Richard Branson

look at actually which Richard Branson

look at actually which Richard Branson we’ve just announced emphasized summit

we’ve just announced emphasized summit

we’ve just announced emphasized summit he’s an innovator easy disruptor he’s

he’s an innovator easy disruptor he’s

he’s an innovator easy disruptor he’s probably one of the greatest worlds

probably one of the greatest worlds

probably one of the greatest worlds entrepreneurs and he’s tried a lot of

entrepreneurs and he’s tried a lot of

entrepreneurs and he’s tried a lot of ideas Sommerfeld and he’s left them

ideas Sommerfeld and he’s left them

ideas Sommerfeld and he’s left them behind he’s fell fast and then moved

behind he’s fell fast and then moved

behind he’s fell fast and then moved quickly but he always looks at kind of

quickly but he always looks at kind of

quickly but he always looks at kind of where’s the gap in the market whether

where’s the gap in the market whether

where’s the gap in the market whether it’s travel whether it’s music what is

it’s travel whether it’s music what is

it’s travel whether it’s music what is it that we can create with our idea that

it that we can create with our idea that

it that we can create with our idea that it’s gonna change the world and it comes

it’s gonna change the world and it comes

it’s gonna change the world and it comes back to what value we created who we

back to what value we created who we

back to what value we created who we serve in what problem we solve it and I

serve in what problem we solve it and I

serve in what problem we solve it and I think that the key thing is there’s a

think that the key thing is there’s a

think that the key thing is there’s a guy as well Richard Reid who I started a

guy as well Richard Reid who I started a

guy as well Richard Reid who I started a big smoothie company called innocent and

big smoothie company called innocent and

big smoothie company called innocent and he said you know all you need to do is

he said you know all you need to do is

he said you know all you need to do is be seventy percent sure of your idea and

be seventy percent sure of your idea and

be seventy percent sure of your idea and then just crack on and and get your idea

then just crack on and and get your idea

then just crack on and and get your idea out there as a business because you will

out there as a business because you will

out there as a business because you will evolve it and I think the worst thing

evolve it and I think the worst thing

evolve it and I think the worst thing you can do is sort of analysis paralysis

you can do is sort of analysis paralysis

you can do is sort of analysis paralysis try and come up with the best idea in

try and come up with the best idea in

try and come up with the best idea in the world and because that’s not real

the world and because that’s not real

the world and because that’s not real what you need to do is shape your ideas

what you need to do is shape your ideas

what you need to do is shape your ideas efficiently go and meet friends me

efficiently go and meet friends me

efficiently go and meet friends me buddies maybe angel investors what I’ve

buddies maybe angel investors what I’ve

buddies maybe angel investors what I’ve been to invest in a lot of companies

been to invest in a lot of companies

been to invest in a lot of companies people have said look I don’t want you

people have said look I don’t want you

people have said look I don’t want you to invest today but I’ve got an idea I

to invest today but I’ve got an idea I

to invest today but I’ve got an idea I might come back to you in six months

might come back to you in six months

might come back to you in six months time when I’ve got a kind of couple of

time when I’ve got a kind of couple of

time when I’ve got a kind of couple of trial customers and I ask you to invest

trial customers and I ask you to invest

trial customers and I ask you to invest but today I just want to test drive the

but today I just want to test drive the

but today I just want to test drive the and kind of you kind of had it around

and kind of you kind of had it around

and kind of you kind of had it around you reshape it and you let me think

you reshape it and you let me think

you reshape it and you let me think about it and then I’ll go away build a

about it and then I’ll go away build a

about it and then I’ll go away build a business based on that so I kind of

business based on that so I kind of

business based on that so I kind of think the key thing is think about those

think the key thing is think about those

think the key thing is think about those key questions those trends like what’s

key questions those trends like what’s

key questions those trends like what’s the audience you’re serving what value

the audience you’re serving what value

the audience you’re serving what value you’re providing how are you gonna make

you’re providing how are you gonna make

you’re providing how are you gonna make a difference and kind of what is the

a difference and kind of what is the

a difference and kind of what is the thing that about your idea that is gonna

thing that about your idea that is gonna

thing that about your idea that is gonna be life-changing and provide massive

be life-changing and provide massive

be life-changing and provide massive value for hopefully millions of people I

value for hopefully millions of people I

value for hopefully millions of people I love it I it’s never been easier to test

love it I it’s never been easier to test

love it I it’s never been easier to test drive an idea with with services like

drive an idea with with services like

drive an idea with with services like Kickstarter out there where all you need

Kickstarter out there where all you need

Kickstarter out there where all you need is an idea or a prototype and then make

is an idea or a prototype and then make

is an idea or a prototype and then make a video and tell people about it it’s

a video and tell people about it it’s

a video and tell people about it it’s never been easier to go out and get

never been easier to go out and get

never been easier to go out and get customers before actually having a

customers before actually having a

customers before actually having a launch and then go into manufacturing I

launch and then go into manufacturing I

launch and then go into manufacturing I just ordered a little nano drone that

just ordered a little nano drone that

just ordered a little nano drone that fits in the palm of your hand and that

fits in the palm of your hand and that

fits in the palm of your hand and that uses GPS to follow you around while

uses GPS to follow you around while

uses GPS to follow you around while you’re like running or skiing or

you’re like running or skiing or

you’re like running or skiing or whatever and it records it and then

whatever and it records it and then

whatever and it records it and then uploads it to the cloud and I bought

uploads it to the cloud and I bought

uploads it to the cloud and I bought that off of an IndieGoGo campaign and

that off of an IndieGoGo campaign and

that off of an IndieGoGo campaign and they raised over three million dollars

they raised over three million dollars

they raised over three million dollars to create this nano drone and they may

to create this nano drone and they may

to create this nano drone and they may not have known if it was a good idea or

not have known if it was a good idea or

not have known if it was a good idea or not they may have you know jumped in too

not they may have you know jumped in too

not they may have you know jumped in too soon they may have had the test and

soon they may have had the test and

soon they may have had the test and tweak along the way but this is

tweak along the way but this is

tweak along the way but this is validation and now they have the money

validation and now they have the money

validation and now they have the money they need you know that’s that’s all

they need you know that’s that’s all

they need you know that’s that’s all marketing dollars that’s not even

marketing dollars that’s not even

marketing dollars that’s not even getting investors into the business

getting investors into the business

getting investors into the business they’re not giving up any equity and

they’re not giving up any equity and

they’re not giving up any equity and they raised three million dollars in in

they raised three million dollars in in

they raised three million dollars in in money to be able to build their product

money to be able to build their product

money to be able to build their product and so it’s never been easier to use the

and so it’s never been easier to use the

and so it’s never been easier to use the technology today to test drive and see

technology today to test drive and see

technology today to test drive and see if there’s an appetite for your product

if there’s an appetite for your product

if there’s an appetite for your product if not then maybe you need to tweak it

if not then maybe you need to tweak it

if not then maybe you need to tweak it because rarely is the idea that you

because rarely is the idea that you

because rarely is the idea that you start with where you end up there’s

start with where you end up there’s

start with where you end up there’s always tweaks and changes and so having

always tweaks and changes and so having

always tweaks and changes and so having market feedback as soon as possible so

market feedback as soon as possible so

market feedback as soon as possible so I’m just creating a vacuum can be really

I’m just creating a vacuum can be really

I’m just creating a vacuum can be really helpful

helpful

helpful yeah I agree on Kickstarter you know

yeah I agree on Kickstarter you know

yeah I agree on Kickstarter you know what they’ve raised two billion two

what they’ve raised two billion two

what they’ve raised two billion two billion dollars ten ten million backers

billion dollars ten ten million backers

billion dollars ten ten million backers now one hundred thousand projects and I

now one hundred thousand projects and I

now one hundred thousand projects and I think you’re right but not only is

think you’re right but not only is

think you’re right but not only is there’s never been a better time to have

there’s never been a better time to have

there’s never been a better time to have an idea there’s never been a better idea

an idea there’s never been a better idea

an idea there’s never been a better idea to do things like crowdfunding and then

to do things like crowdfunding and then

to do things like crowdfunding and then the key thing is you need to own your

the key thing is you need to own your

the key thing is you need to own your idea you need to and it comes back to

idea you need to and it comes back to

idea you need to and it comes back to Evans tank life believe you you never

Evans tank life believe you you never

Evans tank life believe you you never want to add the key kind of

want to add the key kind of

want to add the key kind of responsibility for your idea but don’t

responsibility for your idea but don’t

responsibility for your idea but don’t be kind of too precious about your idea

be kind of too precious about your idea

be kind of too precious about your idea because

because

because feedback especially from early customers

feedback especially from early customers

feedback especially from early customers and improve your idea all the time

and improve your idea all the time

and improve your idea all the time improve your product improve your

improve your product improve your

improve your product improve your service because as Evan said I again I’m

service because as Evan said I again I’m

service because as Evan said I again I’m an angel investor in a lot of companies

an angel investor in a lot of companies

an angel investor in a lot of companies and what I’ve seen the first business

and what I’ve seen the first business

and what I’ve seen the first business plan and some of these companies are

plan and some of these companies are

plan and some of these companies are grown to like valuations over 100

grown to like valuations over 100

grown to like valuations over 100 million the first business plan and what

million the first business plan and what

million the first business plan and what they ended up with was pretty radically

they ended up with was pretty radically

they ended up with was pretty radically different but boy oh boy did they test

different but boy oh boy did they test

different but boy oh boy did they test drive and find out what worked before

drive and find out what worked before

drive and find out what worked before they really scaled it up and then they

they really scaled it up and then they

they really scaled it up and then they iterated it all the time and I think the

iterated it all the time and I think the

iterated it all the time and I think the world is perfectly tuned to that in

world is perfectly tuned to that in

world is perfectly tuned to that in terms of speed of execution the speed of

terms of speed of execution the speed of

terms of speed of execution the speed of now yeah you know you look at BMW they

now yeah you know you look at BMW they

now yeah you know you look at BMW they started as an airplane manufacturing

started as an airplane manufacturing

started as an airplane manufacturing company that’s why their logo is a

company that’s why their logo is a

company that’s why their logo is a propeller still Lamborghini started off

propeller still Lamborghini started off

propeller still Lamborghini started off in tractors yeah and then went into cars

in tractors yeah and then went into cars

in tractors yeah and then went into cars when he bought a Ferrari and Ferrari

when he bought a Ferrari and Ferrari

when he bought a Ferrari and Ferrari told him you know don’t tell me how to

told him you know don’t tell me how to

told him you know don’t tell me how to make a car you stick to making tractors

make a car you stick to making tractors

make a car you stick to making tractors and he said I’m gonna make a better car

and he said I’m gonna make a better car

and he said I’m gonna make a better car than you’ve gone to Lamborghinis and so

than you’ve gone to Lamborghinis and so

than you’ve gone to Lamborghinis and so it’s a great point and your business

it’s a great point and your business

it’s a great point and your business will change my business has changed I

will change my business has changed I

will change my business has changed I don’t know how much sage his business

don’t know how much sage his business

don’t know how much sage his business has changed from the start point to

has changed from the start point to

has changed from the start point to where it is now I know you just made

where it is now I know you just made

where it is now I know you just made that huge announcement and you’re all in

that huge announcement and you’re all in

that huge announcement and you’re all in on the cloud and you know business will

on the cloud and you know business will

on the cloud and you know business will change from the original idea to to

change from the original idea to to

change from the original idea to to where you end that point what will make

where you end that point what will make

where you end that point what will make you successful yeah the other thing I

you successful yeah the other thing I

you successful yeah the other thing I but you know relative to Sage they’ve

but you know relative to Sage they’ve

but you know relative to Sage they’ve started in the eighties and the problem

started in the eighties and the problem

started in the eighties and the problem we solved them was actually digitized in

we solved them was actually digitized in

we solved them was actually digitized in accounting records on the first

accounting records on the first

accounting records on the first generation of PC technology our personal

generation of PC technology our personal

generation of PC technology our personal computers you know the radical

computers you know the radical

computers you know the radical disruption in technology with four

disruption in technology with four

disruption in technology with four billion people around the world with

billion people around the world with

billion people around the world with smartphones means that all our apps are

smartphones means that all our apps are

smartphones means that all our apps are coming out now mobile first and and

coming out now mobile first and and

coming out now mobile first and and everything’s about real time accounting

everything’s about real time accounting

everything’s about real time accounting but it’s way more than that it’s about

but it’s way more than that it’s about

but it’s way more than that it’s about payments it’s about payroll about

payments it’s about payroll about

payments it’s about payroll about integration and the movement of money so

integration and the movement of money so

integration and the movement of money so entrepreneurs just don’t have to worry

entrepreneurs just don’t have to worry

entrepreneurs just don’t have to worry about kind of their back office but the

about kind of their back office but the

about kind of their back office but the next radical change we’re seeing is

next radical change we’re seeing is

next radical change we’re seeing is something called the back office or the

something called the back office or the

something called the back office or the front office where we’re smashing the

front office where we’re smashing the

front office where we’re smashing the walls that kind of used to exist where

walls that kind of used to exist where

walls that kind of used to exist where you had a little kind of back office

you had a little kind of back office

you had a little kind of back office accounted the barman and bookkeepers and

accounted the barman and bookkeepers and

accounted the barman and bookkeepers and accountants and then the sales guys at

accountants and then the sales guys at

accountants and then the sales guys at the front end never talk to the guys in

the front end never talk to the guys in

the front end never talk to the guys in the back office even in a company 20

the back office even in a company 20

the back office even in a company 20 people and I think technology today

people and I think technology today

people and I think technology today radically changes that so just like

radically changes that so just like

radically changes that so just like consumers as entrepreneurs we can run

consumers as entrepreneurs we can run

consumers as entrepreneurs we can run our business

our business

our business from the palm of our hand from

from the palm of our hand from

from the palm of our hand from smartphones we have all the stuff around

smartphones we have all the stuff around

smartphones we have all the stuff around our pipeline all the predictive

our pipeline all the predictive

our pipeline all the predictive analytics about what that will drive in

analytics about what that will drive in

analytics about what that will drive in terms of cash flow and you know you can

terms of cash flow and you know you can

terms of cash flow and you know you can do stuff like within three seconds get

do stuff like within three seconds get

do stuff like within three seconds get an increase on revolving credit and all

an increase on revolving credit and all

an increase on revolving credit and all that stuff through clever technologies

that stuff through clever technologies

that stuff through clever technologies like predictive analytics so again I

like predictive analytics so again I

like predictive analytics so again I think there’s two things one is your big

think there’s two things one is your big

think there’s two things one is your big idea and then always have your social

idea and then always have your social

idea and then always have your social antenna out there to the radical shifts

antenna out there to the radical shifts

antenna out there to the radical shifts both in technology and users and

both in technology and users and

both in technology and users and preferences in your marketplace and the

preferences in your marketplace and the

preferences in your marketplace and the people you serve to always innovate

people you serve to always innovate

people you serve to always innovate yourself always kind of disrupt yourself

yourself always kind of disrupt yourself

yourself always kind of disrupt yourself and the examples you quote like BMW and

and the examples you quote like BMW and

and the examples you quote like BMW and these great companies around the world

these great companies around the world

these great companies around the world really opens your eyes up to say that

really opens your eyes up to say that

really opens your eyes up to say that the star idea is never always the

the star idea is never always the

the star idea is never always the destination rise online was was asking

destination rise online was was asking

destination rise online was was asking and you you acted a little bit who’s

and you you acted a little bit who’s

and you you acted a little bit who’s asking how has sage improved their

asking how has sage improved their

asking how has sage improved their products over the years Wow I think this

products over the years Wow I think this

products over the years Wow I think this is just a relentless thing we measure

is just a relentless thing we measure

is just a relentless thing we measure something called Net Promoter scores of

something called Net Promoter scores of

something called Net Promoter scores of our customers the accountants harmless

our customers the accountants harmless

our customers the accountants harmless and every time and actually me and the

and every time and actually me and the

and every time and actually me and the whole of the ticket team actually

whole of the ticket team actually

whole of the ticket team actually measure ourselves on our Net Promoter

measure ourselves on our Net Promoter

measure ourselves on our Net Promoter scores so that drives a lot of

scores so that drives a lot of

scores so that drives a lot of innovation that drives a lot of

innovation that drives a lot of

innovation that drives a lot of connection with our customers and last

connection with our customers and last

connection with our customers and last year just give you a statistic from us

year just give you a statistic from us

year just give you a statistic from us in our R&D department we rolled out 250

in our R&D department we rolled out 250

in our R&D department we rolled out 250 significant product releases during the

significant product releases during the

significant product releases during the fiscal year and everything kind of you

fiscal year and everything kind of you

fiscal year and everything kind of you know you’d expect to be cloud based

know you’d expect to be cloud based

know you’d expect to be cloud based probably third of our customers now are

probably third of our customers now are

probably third of our customers now are on the cloud and exploiting the

on the cloud and exploiting the

on the cloud and exploiting the opportunity through through having their

opportunity through through having their

opportunity through through having their data up in the cloud also Mobile first

data up in the cloud also Mobile first

data up in the cloud also Mobile first is a real kind of radical shift because

is a real kind of radical shift because

is a real kind of radical shift because again ever new and I run our lives to

again ever new and I run our lives to

again ever new and I run our lives to smartphones whether it’s an iPhone

smartphones whether it’s an iPhone

smartphones whether it’s an iPhone Samsung or whatever we expect

Samsung or whatever we expect

Samsung or whatever we expect entrepreneurs especially the Millennials

entrepreneurs especially the Millennials

entrepreneurs especially the Millennials to be saying I just kind of want to run

to be saying I just kind of want to run

to be saying I just kind of want to run my business like I run my life so

my business like I run my life so

my business like I run my life so there’s a ton of innovation do we do

there’s a ton of innovation do we do

there’s a ton of innovation do we do enough I’m always frustrated I want to

enough I’m always frustrated I want to

enough I’m always frustrated I want to do more I want to do so much more but

do more I want to do so much more but

do more I want to do so much more but boy oh boy we’re doing a lot I love it

boy oh boy we’re doing a lot I love it

boy oh boy we’re doing a lot I love it all right let’s head to the next one

all right let’s head to the next one

all right let’s head to the next one from M be shocked and I hope I

from M be shocked and I hope I

from M be shocked and I hope I pronounced it

pronounced it

pronounced it does the idea really matter or the way

does the idea really matter or the way

does the idea really matter or the way you market it hey that’s a great

you market it hey that’s a great

you market it hey that’s a great question I think the idea matters but

question I think the idea matters but

question I think the idea matters but more importantly it’s kind of the

more importantly it’s kind of the

more importantly it’s kind of the relentless execution started with what

relentless execution started with what

relentless execution started with what is the value proposition and then go to

is the value proposition and then go to

is the value proposition and then go to market with it and again with the

market with it and again with the

market with it and again with the digital age you can get stuff out there

digital age you can get stuff out there

digital age you can get stuff out there in weeks they used to take years a good

in weeks they used to take years a good

in weeks they used to take years a good example actually of the shift in terms

example actually of the shift in terms

example actually of the shift in terms of market and I do you probably saw the

of market and I do you probably saw the

of market and I do you probably saw the film joy jailer at law and with joy

film joy jailer at law and with joy

film joy jailer at law and with joy Mangano in terms of what happened there

Mangano in terms of what happened there

Mangano in terms of what happened there was what was a mock company I used her

was what was a mock company I used her

was what was a mock company I used her life savings actually 70% of our

life savings actually 70% of our

life savings actually 70% of our customers used their life savings to

customers used their life savings to

customers used their life savings to fund their businesses but there was a

fund their businesses but there was a

fund their businesses but there was a pivotal moment when it just was not

pivotal moment when it just was not

pivotal moment when it just was not moving I don’t know it was like on QVC

moving I don’t know it was like on QVC

moving I don’t know it was like on QVC where we just couldn’t get any sales

where we just couldn’t get any sales

where we just couldn’t get any sales away and she she was gonna get dropped

away and she she was gonna get dropped

away and she she was gonna get dropped as a product on that channel and she

as a product on that channel and she

as a product on that channel and she persuaded them to give her the

persuaded them to give her the

persuaded them to give her the opportunity to pitch her own product and

opportunity to pitch her own product and

opportunity to pitch her own product and like within the next 20 minutes they

like within the next 20 minutes they

like within the next 20 minutes they sold 18,000 mops so just a product

sold 18,000 mops so just a product

sold 18,000 mops so just a product matter the idea it was a great idea but

matter the idea it was a great idea but

matter the idea it was a great idea but the sales and marketing was awesome and

the sales and marketing was awesome and

the sales and marketing was awesome and you know you can market your product

you know you can market your product

you know you can market your product better than anybody else and the

better than anybody else and the

better than anybody else and the Internet is a channel and YouTube and

Internet is a channel and YouTube and

Internet is a channel and YouTube and you know vines gives you a unique

you know vines gives you a unique

you know vines gives you a unique opportunity to market your product

opportunity to market your product

opportunity to market your product perfectly so that lady after 10 years

perfectly so that lady after 10 years

perfectly so that lady after 10 years and sold 200 million dollars worth of

and sold 200 million dollars worth of

and sold 200 million dollars worth of moths and you probably wouldn’t think

moths and you probably wouldn’t think

moths and you probably wouldn’t think there’s a lot of innovation in the world

there’s a lot of innovation in the world

there’s a lot of innovation in the world of mops but boy oh boy a hat tip and a

of mops but boy oh boy a hat tip and a

of mops but boy oh boy a hat tip and a salute to joy it’s a lot of marks yeah

salute to joy it’s a lot of marks yeah

salute to joy it’s a lot of marks yeah you know for me this is it’s both right

you know for me this is it’s both right

you know for me this is it’s both right you need the idea and you need the

you need the idea and you need the

you need the idea and you need the marketing if you were marketing a bad

marketing if you were marketing a bad

marketing if you were marketing a bad idea it’s not going to take off right

idea it’s not going to take off right

idea it’s not going to take off right especially in this era where

especially in this era where

especially in this era where word-of-mouth is so fast and people can

word-of-mouth is so fast and people can

word-of-mouth is so fast and people can talk about how bad your product is the

talk about how bad your product is the

talk about how bad your product is the best market in the world won’t save a

best market in the world won’t save a

best market in the world won’t save a terrible product the idea is also

terrible product the idea is also

terrible product the idea is also important because if you have crappy

important because if you have crappy

important because if you have crappy marketing then it’s not going to take

marketing then it’s not going to take

marketing then it’s not going to take off either so you need both I think also

off either so you need both I think also

off either so you need both I think also just even talked about the execution the

just even talked about the execution the

just even talked about the execution the the creation of the product because a

the creation of the product because a

the creation of the product because a lot of people have an idea but they

lot of people have an idea but they

lot of people have an idea but they don’t actually then create that product

don’t actually then create that product

don’t actually then create that product or creed that sir

or creed that sir

or creed that sir just sits there then well one day I’m

just sits there then well one day I’m

just sits there then well one day I’m gonna do this one day I’m gonna start

gonna do this one day I’m gonna start

gonna do this one day I’m gonna start and then never actually start and so the

and then never actually start and so the

and then never actually start and so the execution of actually creating the

execution of actually creating the

execution of actually creating the product or creating the service and then

product or creating the service and then

product or creating the service and then marketing it it’s both right it’s not

marketing it it’s both right it’s not

marketing it it’s both right it’s not just one or the other you need to have

just one or the other you need to have

just one or the other you need to have both if you’re gonna have success as

both if you’re gonna have success as

both if you’re gonna have success as entrepreneur yeah it interests me on

entrepreneur yeah it interests me on

entrepreneur yeah it interests me on yeah you know in terms of today I don’t

yeah you know in terms of today I don’t

yeah you know in terms of today I don’t think it’s just where you have the idea

think it’s just where you have the idea

think it’s just where you have the idea but I’d say now if you’ve got first

but I’d say now if you’ve got first

but I’d say now if you’ve got first mover advantage you can create a

mover advantage you can create a

mover advantage you can create a marketplace sometimes maybe 10-15 years

marketplace sometimes maybe 10-15 years

marketplace sometimes maybe 10-15 years ago if you had first movement Vantage

ago if you had first movement Vantage

ago if you had first movement Vantage you’d find your idea was too early for

you’d find your idea was too early for

you’d find your idea was too early for the marketplace and then one of the big

the marketplace and then one of the big

the marketplace and then one of the big guys would steal the idea and scale up

guys would steal the idea and scale up

guys would steal the idea and scale up and you’d sit there thinking I had that

and you’d sit there thinking I had that

and you’d sit there thinking I had that idea and they’d build a business out of

idea and they’d build a business out of

idea and they’d build a business out of it today I think through the digital age

it today I think through the digital age

it today I think through the digital age you can get an idea to market really

you can get an idea to market really

you can get an idea to market really quickly and you can scale it up evolve

quickly and you can scale it up evolve

quickly and you can scale it up evolve it improve it and build a really

it improve it and build a really

it improve it and build a really scalable successful business nice next

scalable successful business nice next

scalable successful business nice next Jared how can you prove your ideas have

Jared how can you prove your ideas have

Jared how can you prove your ideas have worth it worth – even if you don’t have

worth it worth – even if you don’t have

worth it worth – even if you don’t have a social fall in a very small one my

a social fall in a very small one my

a social fall in a very small one my dears and solutions have a lot to offer

dears and solutions have a lot to offer

dears and solutions have a lot to offer big brands but proving I’m a value is

big brands but proving I’m a value is

big brands but proving I’m a value is tough any suggestions yeah it sounds

tough any suggestions yeah it sounds

tough any suggestions yeah it sounds like the questioner is is thinking about

like the questioner is is thinking about

like the questioner is is thinking about maybe pitching the idea to a big brand

maybe pitching the idea to a big brand

maybe pitching the idea to a big brand to market it if that’s the strand I

to market it if that’s the strand I

to market it if that’s the strand I think you’ve got to stand out so you

think you’ve got to stand out so you

think you’ve got to stand out so you know if your drink’s company and you’ve

know if your drink’s company and you’ve

know if your drink’s company and you’ve got a big idea you want to go along to

got a big idea you want to go along to

got a big idea you want to go along to coca-cola to pitch an idea it’s probably

coca-cola to pitch an idea it’s probably

coca-cola to pitch an idea it’s probably good to start the business get the idea

good to start the business get the idea

good to start the business get the idea get some success and momentum but then

get some success and momentum but then

get some success and momentum but then how do you kind of stand out from the

how do you kind of stand out from the

how do you kind of stand out from the crowd one of the things is a different

crowd one of the things is a different

crowd one of the things is a different idea that jumps out to his success but

idea that jumps out to his success but

idea that jumps out to his success but again actually the company I mentioned

again actually the company I mentioned

again actually the company I mentioned before innocent

before innocent

before innocent they got acquired I think majority state

they got acquired I think majority state

they got acquired I think majority state by coca-cola for over almost hundred

by coca-cola for over almost hundred

by coca-cola for over almost hundred million dollars and that was an idea

million dollars and that was an idea

million dollars and that was an idea around smoothies they spent a lot of

around smoothies they spent a lot of

around smoothies they spent a lot of time months and months blending

time months and months blending

time months and months blending different smoothies all organic really

different smoothies all organic really

different smoothies all organic really appealing to help the health market that

appealing to help the health market that

appealing to help the health market that was evolving there about five years ago

was evolving there about five years ago

was evolving there about five years ago but they stood out so I think with your

but they stood out so I think with your

but they stood out so I think with your idea if you’re doing a pitch to some of

idea if you’re doing a pitch to some of

idea if you’re doing a pitch to some of these big companies and you want to have

these big companies and you want to have

these big companies and you want to have their market your idea or you want to

their market your idea or you want to

their market your idea or you want to sell you come

sell you come

sell you come to them then you’ve got to stand out but

to them then you’ve got to stand out but

to them then you’ve got to stand out but what I would argue is you’re much better

what I would argue is you’re much better

what I would argue is you’re much better off putting your energy into your idea

off putting your energy into your idea

off putting your energy into your idea of building a business rather than

of building a business rather than

of building a business rather than worrying about selling your business

worrying about selling your business

worrying about selling your business never worry about selling your business

never worry about selling your business

never worry about selling your business run your business grow your business and

run your business grow your business and

run your business grow your business and you’ll get a lot of people knocking on

you’ll get a lot of people knocking on

you’ll get a lot of people knocking on your door to say I want you to be a

your door to say I want you to be a

your door to say I want you to be a bigger part of a bigger family you know

bigger part of a bigger family you know

bigger part of a bigger family you know a lot of I agree yes in the comments

a lot of I agree yes in the comments

a lot of I agree yes in the comments that you like it um you know for me this

that you like it um you know for me this

that you like it um you know for me this comes back to our last point of the idea

comes back to our last point of the idea

comes back to our last point of the idea is not enough I have tons of ideas for

is not enough I have tons of ideas for

is not enough I have tons of ideas for big companies right I could walk into

big companies right I could walk into

big companies right I could walk into McDonald’s and come up with a hundred

McDonald’s and come up with a hundred

McDonald’s and come up with a hundred ideas for them from how they treat

ideas for them from how they treat

ideas for them from how they treat people to what’s on their menu to the

people to what’s on their menu to the

people to what’s on their menu to the cleanliness of the place to their

cleanliness of the place to their

cleanliness of the place to their website you know the idea is good but

website you know the idea is good but

website you know the idea is good but it’s not enough you know is the are you

it’s not enough you know is the are you

it’s not enough you know is the are you can you provide execution to these big

can you provide execution to these big

can you provide execution to these big brands right McDonald’s is likely not

brands right McDonald’s is likely not

brands right McDonald’s is likely not going to pay you for an idea or whatever

going to pay you for an idea or whatever

going to pay you for an idea or whatever big brand that you want to try to

big brand that you want to try to

big brand that you want to try to connect with it’s the idea plus the

connect with it’s the idea plus the

connect with it’s the idea plus the execution if all you’re giving them is

execution if all you’re giving them is

execution if all you’re giving them is the idea then they have to execute on it

the idea then they have to execute on it

the idea then they have to execute on it they have a list of ideas to write you

they have a list of ideas to write you

they have a list of ideas to write you know you have a list of 10,000 ideas

know you have a list of 10,000 ideas

know you have a list of 10,000 ideas every big company has a list of 10,000

every big company has a list of 10,000

every big company has a list of 10,000 ideas – Stephen already mentioned today

ideas – Stephen already mentioned today

ideas – Stephen already mentioned today about he wants to get more done right

about he wants to get more done right

about he wants to get more done right he’s got a list of 10,000 ideas that he

he’s got a list of 10,000 ideas that he

he’s got a list of 10,000 ideas that he wants to move sage in the right

wants to move sage in the right

wants to move sage in the right direction and so the idea is not enough

direction and so the idea is not enough

direction and so the idea is not enough the only the only caveat in terms of in

the only the only caveat in terms of in

the only the only caveat in terms of in terms of that in my mind at least is if

terms of that in my mind at least is if

terms of that in my mind at least is if you have a patent if you can patent the

you have a patent if you can patent the

you have a patent if you can patent the idea and you can get it protected then

idea and you can get it protected then

idea and you can get it protected then all you’re gonna go is sell the patent

all you’re gonna go is sell the patent

all you’re gonna go is sell the patent to the company but then there has to be

to the company but then there has to be

to the company but then there has to be something to Stevens Point before are

something to Stevens Point before are

something to Stevens Point before are really unique really different something

really unique really different something

really unique really different something that people will recognize but otherwise

that people will recognize but otherwise

that people will recognize but otherwise if you can’t get it patented

if you can’t get it patented

if you can’t get it patented then just selling an idea to a company

then just selling an idea to a company

then just selling an idea to a company is not going to be enough you need to

is not going to be enough you need to

is not going to be enough you need to have the execution yeah on that as well

have the execution yeah on that as well

have the execution yeah on that as well I think it’s fair to say it’s all about

I think it’s fair to say it’s all about

I think it’s fair to say it’s all about execution and never ever kind of just

execution and never ever kind of just

execution and never ever kind of just stand still you got to win obey all the

stand still you got to win obey all the

stand still you got to win obey all the time and also just sometimes you get

time and also just sometimes you get

time and also just sometimes you get lucky or something happens in the

lucky or something happens in the

lucky or something happens in the marketplace that kind of shifts the dial

marketplace that kind of shifts the dial

marketplace that kind of shifts the dial and makes your idea irrelevant example a

and makes your idea irrelevant example a

and makes your idea irrelevant example a company a great company but Sir customer

company a great company but Sir customer

company a great company but Sir customer of ours called glowy in France back in

of ours called glowy in France back in

of ours called glowy in France back in kind of 2013 they were watching kind of

kind of 2013 they were watching kind of

kind of 2013 they were watching kind of marine biology and stuff and there’s

marine biology and stuff and there’s

marine biology and stuff and there’s this really cool like given off farm by

this really cool like given off farm by

this really cool like given off farm by creatures under sea just like a surreal

creatures under sea just like a surreal

creatures under sea just like a surreal idea in the air

idea in the air

idea in the air something called bioluminescence I can’t

something called bioluminescence I can’t

something called bioluminescence I can’t even pronounce it but basically it’s so

even pronounce it but basically it’s so

even pronounce it but basically it’s so kind of light that’s given off undersea

kind of light that’s given off undersea

kind of light that’s given off undersea and then the French legislators brought

and then the French legislators brought

and then the French legislators brought in some laws to stop shop Sampat Eisen

in some laws to stop shop Sampat Eisen

in some laws to stop shop Sampat Eisen with big neo science and stuff like that

with big neo science and stuff like that

with big neo science and stuff like that because it was bad for light pollution

because it was bad for light pollution

because it was bad for light pollution and these guys that glowy developed this

and these guys that glowy developed this

and these guys that glowy developed this kind of marine Lumino technology that’s

kind of marine Lumino technology that’s

kind of marine Lumino technology that’s environmentally very sensitive and

environmentally very sensitive and

environmentally very sensitive and compliant with the law and they built a

compliant with the law and they built a

compliant with the law and they built a business where they’re lighting up kind

business where they’re lighting up kind

business where they’re lighting up kind of advertising fur companies after dark

of advertising fur companies after dark

of advertising fur companies after dark in France so legislation change of

in France so legislation change of

in France so legislation change of regulations and and also change in terms

regulations and and also change in terms

regulations and and also change in terms of market requirements just be aware and

of market requirements just be aware and

of market requirements just be aware and always sensitive so not only is the idea

always sensitive so not only is the idea

always sensitive so not only is the idea got to evolve you’ve got a market test

got to evolve you’ve got a market test

got to evolve you’ve got a market test here but you and I know and this is so

here but you and I know and this is so

here but you and I know and this is so true now in 2016 the market is so

true now in 2016 the market is so

true now in 2016 the market is so different today than it was five years

different today than it was five years

different today than it was five years ago and you know Evan maybe you give us

ago and you know Evan maybe you give us

ago and you know Evan maybe you give us some example in terms of the gaming

some example in terms of the gaming

some example in terms of the gaming industry and and everything people like

industry and and everything people like

industry and and everything people like oculus you know how to add a bat but you

oculus you know how to add a bat but you

oculus you know how to add a bat but you know virtual reality it’s changing so

know virtual reality it’s changing so

know virtual reality it’s changing so quickly that you’ve got to be really

quickly that you’ve got to be really

quickly that you’ve got to be really attuned to the opportunities yeah

attuned to the opportunities yeah

attuned to the opportunities yeah there’s a follow-up question from Kim

there’s a follow-up question from Kim

there’s a follow-up question from Kim Yuna who’s saying Steven that’s really

Yuna who’s saying Steven that’s really

Yuna who’s saying Steven that’s really encouraging advice I love your idea

encouraging advice I love your idea

encouraging advice I love your idea execution the ideas execution for me

execution the ideas execution for me

execution the ideas execution for me execution is mine Mount Everest because

execution is mine Mount Everest because

execution is mine Mount Everest because I’m starting out on my own so you know

I’m starting out on my own so you know

I’m starting out on my own so you know what advice do you have for solo

what advice do you have for solo

what advice do you have for solo entrepreneurs we’re having trouble

entrepreneurs we’re having trouble

entrepreneurs we’re having trouble executing on their ideas because you

executing on their ideas because you

executing on their ideas because you have to do everything from CEO to

have to do everything from CEO to

have to do everything from CEO to janitor in their company yeah I think

janitor in their company yeah I think

janitor in their company yeah I think you know if you work in out of your home

you know if you work in out of your home

you know if you work in out of your home or whatever you’re an entrepreneur key

or whatever you’re an entrepreneur key

or whatever you’re an entrepreneur key thing is structure discipline and

thing is structure discipline and

thing is structure discipline and routine so kind of even get out of your

routine so kind of even get out of your

routine so kind of even get out of your pajamas get downstairs get your

pajamas get downstairs get your

pajamas get downstairs get your breakfast get up early get every day

breakfast get up early get every day

breakfast get up early get every day just almost imagine you’re working in an

just almost imagine you’re working in an

just almost imagine you’re working in an office creating a business from from the

office creating a business from from the

office creating a business from from the get-go so and then from that I think

get-go so and then from that I think

get-go so and then from that I think it’s all about the bass right execution

it’s all about the bass right execution

it’s all about the bass right execution bias traction so come up with your idea

bias traction so come up with your idea

bias traction so come up with your idea that’s good enough test drive it with

that’s good enough test drive it with

that’s good enough test drive it with the community that you want to market

the community that you want to market

the community that you want to market and sell it to you can do that you know

and sell it to you can do that you know

and sell it to you can do that you know a number of different ways you could

a number of different ways you could

a number of different ways you could gonna go down to the local coffee store

gonna go down to the local coffee store

gonna go down to the local coffee store if it’s kind of consumer idea you could

if it’s kind of consumer idea you could

if it’s kind of consumer idea you could do it with your friends but the most

do it with your friends but the most

do it with your friends but the most important thing is get your idea in the

important thing is get your idea in the

important thing is get your idea in the market

market

market if it’s a product or a service start

if it’s a product or a service start

if it’s a product or a service start actually getting your first customer and

actually getting your first customer and

actually getting your first customer and it’s almost like Evan when I go back and

it’s almost like Evan when I go back and

it’s almost like Evan when I go back and I was in a startup into California as an

I was in a startup into California as an

I was in a startup into California as an angel investor there’s momentous times

angel investor there’s momentous times

angel investor there’s momentous times especially if you’re on your own you

especially if you’re on your own you

especially if you’re on your own you need to celebrate because sometimes you

need to celebrate because sometimes you

need to celebrate because sometimes you can have down days it can be depressing

can have down days it can be depressing

can have down days it can be depressing so you know it’s like the first time you

so you know it’s like the first time you

so you know it’s like the first time you get your product to market celebrate it

get your product to market celebrate it

get your product to market celebrate it you know open up a bottle of spring

you know open up a bottle of spring

you know open up a bottle of spring water or something like that whatever

water or something like that whatever

water or something like that whatever you want to do when you win your first

you want to do when you win your first

you want to do when you win your first customer

customer

customer celebrate it savor the moment and

celebrate it savor the moment and

celebrate it savor the moment and remember those kind of masters when you

remember those kind of masters when you

remember those kind of masters when you get your hundred customer when you get

get your hundred customer when you get

get your hundred customer when you get you know a customer repeat referral

you know a customer repeat referral

you know a customer repeat referral where they recommend you to other

where they recommend you to other

where they recommend you to other customers celebrate these things because

customers celebrate these things because

customers celebrate these things because that gives you great spirit it

that gives you great spirit it

that gives you great spirit it galvanizes your energy and it reinforces

galvanizes your energy and it reinforces

galvanizes your energy and it reinforces your ideas and then once you’ve got

your ideas and then once you’ve got

your ideas and then once you’ve got customers I mean it’s all about test

customers I mean it’s all about test

customers I mean it’s all about test drive in their feedback build feedback

drive in their feedback build feedback

drive in their feedback build feedback into your model from day one so that

into your model from day one so that

into your model from day one so that you’re always innovating you’re your

you’re always innovating you’re your

you’re always innovating you’re your price almost like with people what I’d

price almost like with people what I’d

price almost like with people what I’d say I’m Evan this is pretty crazy there

say I’m Evan this is pretty crazy there

say I’m Evan this is pretty crazy there are people the minimum standard has got

are people the minimum standard has got

are people the minimum standard has got to be better than the best of our

to be better than the best of our

to be better than the best of our competitors and it’s the same with

competitors and it’s the same with

competitors and it’s the same with products so as soon as you see

products so as soon as you see

products so as soon as you see competitors trying to eat your lunch and

competitors trying to eat your lunch and

competitors trying to eat your lunch and catch up you’ve got a leapfrog to the

catch up you’ve got a leapfrog to the

catch up you’ve got a leapfrog to the next level and just think that will be

next level and just think that will be

next level and just think that will be good enough for the next 90 days because

good enough for the next 90 days because

good enough for the next 90 days because in 90 days time and guarantee you need

in 90 days time and guarantee you need

in 90 days time and guarantee you need to leapfrog to the next level again it’s

to leapfrog to the next level again it’s

to leapfrog to the next level again it’s just a constant relentless innovation I

just a constant relentless innovation I

just a constant relentless innovation I love it I love I love the passion come

love it I love I love the passion come

love it I love I love the passion come on it’s great thinking about you know

on it’s great thinking about you know

on it’s great thinking about you know being a solo entrepreneur one thing that

being a solo entrepreneur one thing that

being a solo entrepreneur one thing that I would encourage you to ask yourself

I would encourage you to ask yourself

I would encourage you to ask yourself every day is what’s the highest value I

every day is what’s the highest value I

every day is what’s the highest value I can bring to my business in carve out

can bring to my business in carve out

can bring to my business in carve out time for what I call CEO time where

time for what I call CEO time where

time for what I call CEO time where you’re not just putting out fires and

you’re not just putting out fires and

you’re not just putting out fires and reacting but you’re purposely planning

reacting but you’re purposely planning

reacting but you’re purposely planning what you want to do to grow your

what you want to do to grow your

what you want to do to grow your business at least 90 minutes every day

business at least 90 minutes every day

business at least 90 minutes every day of CEO time on big-picture stuff to help

of CEO time on big-picture stuff to help

of CEO time on big-picture stuff to help you grow otherwise you’re just going to

you grow otherwise you’re just going to

you grow otherwise you’re just going to stay on the treadmill and in terms of

stay on the treadmill and in terms of

stay on the treadmill and in terms of celebrate I love that point I remember

celebrate I love that point I remember

celebrate I love that point I remember when I was first starting out and it had

when I was first starting out and it had

when I was first starting out and it had you know eaten beans for lunch every day

you know eaten beans for lunch every day

you know eaten beans for lunch every day and making $300 a month when we had

and making $300 a month when we had

and making $300 a month when we had something big happened we would go to

something big happened we would go to

something big happened we would go to McDonald’s and we would celebrate with

McDonald’s and we would celebrate with

McDonald’s and we would celebrate with french fries not of not a whole meal

french fries not of not a whole meal

french fries not of not a whole meal because we didn’t have the budget

because we didn’t have the budget

because we didn’t have the budget but just french fries and that was our

but just french fries and that was our

but just french fries and that was our tradition of going out hey we got a new

tradition of going out hey we got a new

tradition of going out hey we got a new sale let’s go get some french fries so

sale let’s go get some french fries so

sale let’s go get some french fries so it doesn’t have to be a big expensive

it doesn’t have to be a big expensive

it doesn’t have to be a big expensive party celebration you know just just

party celebration you know just just

party celebration you know just just taking the time out to celebrate is

taking the time out to celebrate is

taking the time out to celebrate is super valuable important because it’s

super valuable important because it’s

super valuable important because it’s hard to stay motivated sometimes as an

hard to stay motivated sometimes as an

hard to stay motivated sometimes as an entrepreneur and those little things can

entrepreneur and those little things can

entrepreneur and those little things can make a big big impact I love it all

make a big big impact I love it all

make a big big impact I love it all right well we have we have Julianne

right well we have we have Julianne

right well we have we have Julianne calling in all right hey I love this hey

calling in all right hey I love this hey

calling in all right hey I love this hey every night Julie and I love it when you

every night Julie and I love it when you

every night Julie and I love it when you guys call in it’s kind of free way

guys call in it’s kind of free way

guys call in it’s kind of free way interact it’s good fun Julianne tell us

interact it’s good fun Julianne tell us

interact it’s good fun Julianne tell us tell us what you do and give us your

tell us what you do and give us your

tell us what you do and give us your question absolutely so what I do I own a

question absolutely so what I do I own a

question absolutely so what I do I own a dance studio kinda like Evan and yeah

dance studio kinda like Evan and yeah

dance studio kinda like Evan and yeah move Desson Fitness right that’s kind of

move Desson Fitness right that’s kind of

move Desson Fitness right that’s kind of our motto so excited company so maybe

our motto so excited company so maybe

our motto so excited company so maybe you want limitations from no one but

you want limitations from no one but

you want limitations from no one but recently what I started doing is is this

recently what I started doing is is this

recently what I started doing is is this blog called sleep sumo calm right which

blog called sleep sumo calm right which

blog called sleep sumo calm right which is pretty much just about helping

is pretty much just about helping

is pretty much just about helping entrepreneurs sleep better because I

entrepreneurs sleep better because I

entrepreneurs sleep better because I think you know I want to business myself

think you know I want to business myself

think you know I want to business myself you know and I know as entrepreneurs is

you know and I know as entrepreneurs is

you know and I know as entrepreneurs is extremely hard to sometimes shut it you

extremely hard to sometimes shut it you

extremely hard to sometimes shut it you know shut it down right and say the case

know shut it down right and say the case

know shut it down right and say the case it’s time to go to bed we can we can

it’s time to go to bed we can we can

it’s time to go to bed we can we can fight tomorrow again you know so so

fight tomorrow again you know so so

fight tomorrow again you know so so anyway that’s the blog that’s what it’s

anyway that’s the blog that’s what it’s

anyway that’s the blog that’s what it’s about but my question to you is when do

about but my question to you is when do

about but my question to you is when do you know when it’s time to kill a

you know when it’s time to kill a

you know when it’s time to kill a product so that you’re making money and

product so that you’re making money and

product so that you’re making money and maybe you have two or three making money

maybe you have two or three making money

maybe you have two or three making money when it’s time to you know to say you

when it’s time to you know to say you

when it’s time to you know to say you know what enough let’s just focus back

know what enough let’s just focus back

know what enough let’s just focus back on on this versus the two or three that

on on this versus the two or three that

on on this versus the two or three that we have I think it’s a great question

we have I think it’s a great question

we have I think it’s a great question and I think that the reality is the best

and I think that the reality is the best

and I think that the reality is the best sanity check is to sit in the shoes of

sanity check is to sit in the shoes of

sanity check is to sit in the shoes of the customer and go and you know you

the customer and go and you know you

the customer and go and you know you should have pick up the phone social

should have pick up the phone social

should have pick up the phone social media check how many customers you know

media check how many customers you know

media check how many customers you know it comes back to what Evan says what is

it comes back to what Evan says what is

it comes back to what Evan says what is the value that they derive it from your

the value that they derive it from your

the value that they derive it from your product or service how is it changing

product or service how is it changing

product or service how is it changing their lives how is it creating benefits

their lives how is it creating benefits

their lives how is it creating benefits how’s it saving them time how does it

how’s it saving them time how does it

how’s it saving them time how does it make them feel better all those sort of

make them feel better all those sort of

make them feel better all those sort of things you’ll know pretty quickly when

things you’ll know pretty quickly when

things you’ll know pretty quickly when you talk to your customers is it a

you talk to your customers is it a

you talk to your customers is it a product failure issue or idea failure or

product failure issue or idea failure or

product failure issue or idea failure or is it actually if I tweak it a little

is it actually if I tweak it a little

is it actually if I tweak it a little bit I could have the right answer

bit I could have the right answer

bit I could have the right answer and then you know what the great thing

and then you know what the great thing

and then you know what the great thing is if you actually said to the customer

is if you actually said to the customer

is if you actually said to the customer how about if I came back to you in 30

how about if I came back to you in 30

how about if I came back to you in 30 days time and I tweaked it to do what

days time and I tweaked it to do what

days time and I tweaked it to do what you’re telling me you need would you be

you’re telling me you need would you be

you’re telling me you need would you be interested and they were always going to

interested and they were always going to

interested and they were always going to say yeah they were always going to back

say yeah they were always going to back

say yeah they were always going to back you because also you’ve got a kind of

you because also you’ve got a kind of

you because also you’ve got a kind of relationship with them so I think it’s a

relationship with them so I think it’s a

relationship with them so I think it’s a great question what I would advocate

great question what I would advocate

great question what I would advocate though is you kind of when you do we’ve

though is you kind of when you do we’ve

though is you kind of when you do we’ve all failed let’s be honest we’ve all

all failed let’s be honest we’ve all

all failed let’s be honest we’ve all felt that entrepreneurs I mentioned by

felt that entrepreneurs I mentioned by

felt that entrepreneurs I mentioned by Richard Branson is coming to save some

Richard Branson is coming to save some

Richard Branson is coming to save some it loads of product failures company

it loads of product failures company

it loads of product failures company failures but you know he he’s awesome

failures but you know he he’s awesome

failures but you know he he’s awesome because he’s done so many projects what

because he’s done so many projects what

because he’s done so many projects what he’s been really smart and he started

he’s been really smart and he started

he’s been really smart and he started initially in music and then he’s got a

initially in music and then he’s got a

initially in music and then he’s got a massive travel company Virgin Atlantic

massive travel company Virgin Atlantic

massive travel company Virgin Atlantic he’s got all these other businesses

he’s got all these other businesses

he’s got all these other businesses Virgin Money what he did really well was

Virgin Money what he did really well was

Virgin Money what he did really well was test the market go out there kill the

test the market go out there kill the

test the market go out there kill the businesses that weren’t going to make it

businesses that weren’t going to make it

businesses that weren’t going to make it and scale up the businesses that were in

and scale up the businesses that were in

and scale up the businesses that were in the products it was and I think you’ve

the products it was and I think you’ve

the products it was and I think you’ve got to trust your instincts I think

got to trust your instincts I think

got to trust your instincts I think there’s a thing Evan says about belief

there’s a thing Evan says about belief

there’s a thing Evan says about belief but as entrepreneurs some days are dark

but as entrepreneurs some days are dark

but as entrepreneurs some days are dark days let’s be honest and you need to

days let’s be honest and you need to

days let’s be honest and you need to kind of give yourself a bit of spiritual

kind of give yourself a bit of spiritual

kind of give yourself a bit of spiritual uplifting and that’s when you go back

uplifting and that’s when you go back

uplifting and that’s when you go back and check in with your customers because

and check in with your customers because

and check in with your customers because yeah when you actually talk to your

yeah when you actually talk to your

yeah when you actually talk to your customers they’re the greatest people on

customers they’re the greatest people on

customers they’re the greatest people on the planet and they they want you to be

the planet and they they want you to be

the planet and they they want you to be successful they’re really rooting for

successful they’re really rooting for

successful they’re really rooting for you so you’ll find out very quickly from

you so you’ll find out very quickly from

you so you’ll find out very quickly from those customer conversations whether

those customer conversations whether

those customer conversations whether it’s a kill or it’s an enhance innovate

it’s a kill or it’s an enhance innovate

it’s a kill or it’s an enhance innovate and adapt Julie Oster me for me it would

and adapt Julie Oster me for me it would

and adapt Julie Oster me for me it would be when you lose your passion in what

be when you lose your passion in what

be when you lose your passion in what you’re doing because the stevens point

you’re doing because the stevens point

you’re doing because the stevens point about talking to people and getting

about talking to people and getting

about talking to people and getting feedback and having to twist your and

feedback and having to twist your and

feedback and having to twist your and tweak your offering when you lose the

tweak your offering when you lose the

tweak your offering when you lose the passion for that project you’re not

passion for that project you’re not

passion for that project you’re not going to be willing to put in the hours

going to be willing to put in the hours

going to be willing to put in the hours anymore you’re not gonna be willing to

anymore you’re not gonna be willing to

anymore you’re not gonna be willing to modify it and change it and put in the

modify it and change it and put in the

modify it and change it and put in the work anymore and so if you are though

work anymore and so if you are though

work anymore and so if you are though like if you still love this thing this

like if you still love this thing this

like if you still love this thing this is still your baby you’re still excited

is still your baby you’re still excited

is still your baby you’re still excited about it you know the dance thing or

about it you know the dance thing or

about it you know the dance thing or something else you’re talking about then

something else you’re talking about then

something else you’re talking about then you’ll find a way to make it work like

you’ll find a way to make it work like

you’ll find a way to make it work like with more hustle you know what you have

with more hustle you know what you have

with more hustle you know what you have may not work great yet but with more

may not work great yet but with more

may not work great yet but with more tweaking and more hustle be able to make

tweaking and more hustle be able to make

tweaking and more hustle be able to make it work but if you don’t have the

it work but if you don’t have the

it work but if you don’t have the passion you’re gonna quit and so that’s

passion you’re gonna quit and so that’s

passion you’re gonna quit and so that’s when you give it up the flip side as

when you give it up the flip side as

when you give it up the flip side as well as their

well as their

well as their who are making money and lose a passion

who are making money and lose a passion

who are making money and lose a passion in their business and they get bored and

in their business and they get bored and

in their business and they get bored and that’s how to the time to sell your

that’s how to the time to sell your

that’s how to the time to sell your company right it has value if you’re not

company right it has value if you’re not

company right it has value if you’re not passion about anymore it’s just gonna

passion about anymore it’s just gonna

passion about anymore it’s just gonna flatline and then start to decrease and

flatline and then start to decrease and

flatline and then start to decrease and a lot of people think well that’s

a lot of people think well that’s

a lot of people think well that’s passive income for me so I should keep

passive income for me so I should keep

passive income for me so I should keep it but really the guts of time go sell

it but really the guts of time go sell

it but really the guts of time go sell it move on to something else that you

it move on to something else that you

it move on to something else that you are excited about so for me as long as

are excited about so for me as long as

are excited about so for me as long as I’m excited by something as long as I

I’m excited by something as long as I

I’m excited by something as long as I believe in it then I’m doing it if not

believe in it then I’m doing it if not

believe in it then I’m doing it if not then move on to something else and

then move on to something else and

then move on to something else and everything that you put in has been kind

everything that you put in has been kind

everything that you put in has been kind of sunk cost you’ve grown you’ve learned

of sunk cost you’ve grown you’ve learned

of sunk cost you’ve grown you’ve learned you’ve gotten better and now you know

you’ve gotten better and now you know

you’ve gotten better and now you know focus on the future

focus on the future

focus on the future awesome so do you do you actually guys

awesome so do you do you actually guys

awesome so do you do you actually guys write down like okay this is some of the

write down like okay this is some of the

write down like okay this is some of the stuff that I’ve learned I’m okay with

stuff that I’ve learned I’m okay with

stuff that I’ve learned I’m okay with just deciding that I’m although I might

just deciding that I’m although I might

just deciding that I’m although I might still be making money from it right I

still be making money from it right I

still be making money from it right I feel like it’s not necessarily scaling

feel like it’s not necessarily scaling

feel like it’s not necessarily scaling or growing then I’m okay I’m just gonna

or growing then I’m okay I’m just gonna

or growing then I’m okay I’m just gonna kind of just journal this is what I’ve

kind of just journal this is what I’ve

kind of just journal this is what I’ve learned from it and just put it on the

learned from it and just put it on the

learned from it and just put it on the Shelf perhaps and just like move on to

Shelf perhaps and just like move on to

Shelf perhaps and just like move on to the next step

the next step

the next step yeah I think there’s a couple of things

yeah I think there’s a couple of things

yeah I think there’s a couple of things in terms of what I say which is a bit

in terms of what I say which is a bit

in terms of what I say which is a bit harsh actually but it’s true there’s

harsh actually but it’s true there’s

harsh actually but it’s true there’s only two types of companies in the world

only two types of companies in the world

only two types of companies in the world two types of businesses there’s growing

two types of businesses there’s growing

two types of businesses there’s growing a successful businesses and there’s

a successful businesses and there’s

a successful businesses and there’s dying businesses the only exception that

dying businesses the only exception that

dying businesses the only exception that is lifestyle businesses and some folks

is lifestyle businesses and some folks

is lifestyle businesses and some folks who might be out there would just say

who might be out there would just say

who might be out there would just say you know I’m happy I’ve got a great

you know I’m happy I’ve got a great

you know I’m happy I’ve got a great work-life balance

work-life balance

work-life balance I run a lifestyle business it kind of

I run a lifestyle business it kind of

I run a lifestyle business it kind of flatlines on revenues it gives me a good

flatlines on revenues it gives me a good

flatlines on revenues it gives me a good lifestyle I play golf or I dance or

lifestyle I play golf or I dance or

lifestyle I play golf or I dance or whatever I want to do three days a week

whatever I want to do three days a week

whatever I want to do three days a week and that’s okay but I think there’s sort

and that’s okay but I think there’s sort

and that’s okay but I think there’s sort of people the entrepreneurs in the world

of people the entrepreneurs in the world

of people the entrepreneurs in the world we’ve come from and the people who have

we’ve come from and the people who have

we’ve come from and the people who have a big idea and what it changed the world

a big idea and what it changed the world

a big idea and what it changed the world were low to passion to be have

were low to passion to be have

were low to passion to be have exponentially growing businesses so

exponentially growing businesses so

exponentially growing businesses so within that as I think you could look

within that as I think you could look

within that as I think you could look what you know if you’re down the road of

what you know if you’re down the road of

what you know if you’re down the road of three or four years you could say

three or four years you could say

three or four years you could say actually I’ve got a good business I’ll

actually I’ve got a good business I’ll

actually I’ve got a good business I’ll use as a funding vehicle to actually do

use as a funding vehicle to actually do

use as a funding vehicle to actually do my big idea and one of the businesses

my big idea and one of the businesses

my big idea and one of the businesses are actually want businesses I’ve

are actually want businesses I’ve

are actually want businesses I’ve invested in a great arm business of

invested in a great arm business of

invested in a great arm business of called cloud apps they’ve reinvented

called cloud apps they’ve reinvented

called cloud apps they’ve reinvented themselves three or four times and

themselves three or four times and

themselves three or four times and they’ve got good customers they’ve done

they’ve got good customers they’ve done

they’ve got good customers they’ve done a good job but they plateau with one

a good job but they plateau with one

a good job but they plateau with one product they use that as a cash vehicle

product they use that as a cash vehicle

product they use that as a cash vehicle to fund their next big idea and they

to fund their next big idea and they

to fund their next big idea and they started with sustainability then they

started with sustainability then they

started with sustainability then they started with really cool stuff around

started with really cool stuff around

started with really cool stuff around kind of gaming engagement and then they

kind of gaming engagement and then they

kind of gaming engagement and then they started with all the stuff around a lot

started with all the stuff around a lot

started with all the stuff around a lot of big companies use these products

of big companies use these products

of big companies use these products called customer relationship management

called customer relationship management

called customer relationship management but it’s really hard to get people to

but it’s really hard to get people to

but it’s really hard to get people to use those so they provided all these

use those so they provided all these

use those so they provided all these kind of incentives and gaming and fun

kind of incentives and gaming and fun

kind of incentives and gaming and fun things to actually really make it a lot

things to actually really make it a lot

things to actually really make it a lot more fun than them being in the

more fun than them being in the

more fun than them being in the workplace so just as an example I think

workplace so just as an example I think

workplace so just as an example I think if you’ve got a great product great

if you’ve got a great product great

if you’ve got a great product great customers you know double down and go

customers you know double down and go

customers you know double down and go through it but that could also spawn the

through it but that could also spawn the

through it but that could also spawn the opportunity to have other ideas you know

opportunity to have other ideas you know

opportunity to have other ideas you know like Evan said we probably three of us

like Evan said we probably three of us

like Evan said we probably three of us could come up with twenty different

could come up with twenty different

could come up with twenty different ideas so let’s pick the best one let’s

ideas so let’s pick the best one let’s

ideas so let’s pick the best one let’s start that but you want to build a

start that but you want to build a

start that but you want to build a company that could do three or four

company that could do three or four

company that could do three or four ideas if they’re related ideas that

ideas if they’re related ideas that

ideas if they’re related ideas that becomes really powerful in the venture

becomes really powerful in the venture

becomes really powerful in the venture capital world we would call them

capital world we would call them

capital world we would call them gazelles those are the high-growth you

gazelles those are the high-growth you

gazelles those are the high-growth you know lots of opportunities Boeing fast

know lots of opportunities Boeing fast

know lots of opportunities Boeing fast and then the walking wounded and the

and then the walking wounded and the

and then the walking wounded and the walking wounded you just like hobbling

walking wounded you just like hobbling

walking wounded you just like hobbling along but it never actually takes off

along but it never actually takes off

along but it never actually takes off right and as long as your focus on that

right and as long as your focus on that

right and as long as your focus on that walk and wound the business you can

walk and wound the business you can

walk and wound the business you can never be a gazelle and so if you’ve

never be a gazelle and so if you’ve

never be a gazelle and so if you’ve learned what you need to learn from it

learned what you need to learn from it

learned what you need to learn from it then then shut it down or sell it or

then then shut it down or sell it or

then then shut it down or sell it or give it to somebody else and focus on

give it to somebody else and focus on

give it to somebody else and focus on the next thing that you can be a gazelle

the next thing that you can be a gazelle

the next thing that you can be a gazelle with awesome well thank you so much for

with awesome well thank you so much for

with awesome well thank you so much for having me all right you’re like we move

having me all right you’re like we move

having me all right you’re like we move thank you hey Evan I love that it’s

thank you hey Evan I love that it’s

thank you hey Evan I love that it’s great when we get folks on it’s really

great when we get folks on it’s really

great when we get folks on it’s really good that’s great yeah not everybody’s

good that’s great yeah not everybody’s

good that’s great yeah not everybody’s set up popular but it was good okay next

set up popular but it was good okay next

set up popular but it was good okay next one is from Maria how do you approach

one is from Maria how do you approach

one is from Maria how do you approach the company or manufacturer without them

the company or manufacturer without them

the company or manufacturer without them taking your idea how do you protect

taking your idea how do you protect

taking your idea how do you protect yourself from this yes great question so

yourself from this yes great question so

yourself from this yes great question so I’m kind of one is if you can go to

I’m kind of one is if you can go to

I’m kind of one is if you can go to market and you can manufacture the

market and you can manufacture the

market and you can manufacture the product yourself that’d be great if

product yourself that’d be great if

product yourself that’d be great if that’s not possible and and it requires

that’s not possible and and it requires

that’s not possible and and it requires a significant capital investment then I

a significant capital investment then I

a significant capital investment then I think it’s definitely worth looking if

think it’s definitely worth looking if

think it’s definitely worth looking if is a unique idea with intellectual

is a unique idea with intellectual

is a unique idea with intellectual property look at it patterning you know

property look at it patterning you know

property look at it patterning you know I think great tehnology companies

I think great tehnology companies

I think great tehnology companies typically apply for patents and and then

typically apply for patents and and then

typically apply for patents and and then it’s all about speed because I think in

it’s all about speed because I think in

it’s all about speed because I think in reality if I see an entrepreneur and

reality if I see an entrepreneur and

reality if I see an entrepreneur and they do a pitch to me and they’ve got a

they do a pitch to me and they’ve got a

they do a pitch to me and they’ve got a good

good

good and they’ve got a real focus on

and they’ve got a real focus on

and they’ve got a real focus on execution then effectively your backup

execution then effectively your backup

execution then effectively your backup and it does come a lot about the belief

and it does come a lot about the belief

and it does come a lot about the belief the passion and the execution but if

the passion and the execution but if

the passion and the execution but if you’ve got the opportunity obviously

you’ve got the opportunity obviously

you’ve got the opportunity obviously file a patent and make sure you kind of

file a patent and make sure you kind of

file a patent and make sure you kind of got a got a safety net there safety

got a got a safety net there safety

got a got a safety net there safety valve

valve

valve yeah I agree patent is the way to go I

yeah I agree patent is the way to go I

yeah I agree patent is the way to go I mean patents can be expensive you can do

mean patents can be expensive you can do

mean patents can be expensive you can do a provisional patent which gives you

a provisional patent which gives you

a provisional patent which gives you protection for a short amount of time

protection for a short amount of time

protection for a short amount of time and then you can decide whether you want

and then you can decide whether you want

and then you can decide whether you want to do the patent the full-blown patent

to do the patent the full-blown patent

to do the patent the full-blown patent that you have to have you know you have

that you have to have you know you have

that you have to have you know you have to pay for a patent in every country

to pay for a patent in every country

to pay for a patent in every country that you want to have it protected every

that you want to have it protected every

that you want to have it protected every year on top of the legal fees to kind of

year on top of the legal fees to kind of

year on top of the legal fees to kind of get it set up so it can be expensive but

get it set up so it can be expensive but

get it set up so it can be expensive but it gives you in if you get a provisional

it gives you in if you get a provisional

it gives you in if you get a provisional patent it gives you a little bit of

patent it gives you a little bit of

patent it gives you a little bit of space to play with the see if the idea

space to play with the see if the idea

space to play with the see if the idea can can work or not I’d also like you’re

can can work or not I’d also like you’re

can can work or not I’d also like you’re worried about a manufacturer taking the

worried about a manufacturer taking the

worried about a manufacturer taking the idea I I believe in building strong

idea I I believe in building strong

idea I I believe in building strong relations with my suppliers and I would

relations with my suppliers and I would

relations with my suppliers and I would I wouldn’t just give this to any guy who

I wouldn’t just give this to any guy who

I wouldn’t just give this to any guy who is the lowest cost provider to make this

is the lowest cost provider to make this

is the lowest cost provider to make this idea for you I want to work with the

idea for you I want to work with the

idea for you I want to work with the company that likes what I’m doing we get

company that likes what I’m doing we get

company that likes what I’m doing we get we have similar values wants to be part

we have similar values wants to be part

we have similar values wants to be part of my growth and my success and I

of my growth and my success and I

of my growth and my success and I wouldn’t worry as much about them could

wouldn’t worry as much about them could

wouldn’t worry as much about them could potentially ripping off my idea so you

potentially ripping off my idea so you

potentially ripping off my idea so you can have the legal protection if that

can have the legal protection if that

can have the legal protection if that happens with the patent but I think also

happens with the patent but I think also

happens with the patent but I think also maybe doing a little more due diligence

maybe doing a little more due diligence

maybe doing a little more due diligence upfront to find partners that you want

upfront to find partners that you want

upfront to find partners that you want to work with you know Sage has their

to work with you know Sage has their

to work with you know Sage has their accounting network and they work with

accounting network and they work with

accounting network and they work with you know they’re their customers might

you know they’re their customers might

you know they’re their customers might be small businesses entrepreneurs who

be small businesses entrepreneurs who

be small businesses entrepreneurs who are growing their companies but the

are growing their companies but the

are growing their companies but the accountants then refer a lot of the

accountants then refer a lot of the

accountants then refer a lot of the customers in and they do a ton of work

customers in and they do a ton of work

customers in and they do a ton of work say chose an insane amount of work

say chose an insane amount of work

say chose an insane amount of work trying to work with accountants and

trying to work with accountants and

trying to work with accountants and recognize them as as key partners and so

recognize them as as key partners and so

recognize them as as key partners and so I try to find that kind of connection to

I try to find that kind of connection to

I try to find that kind of connection to where you feel like you’re working

where you feel like you’re working

where you feel like you’re working side-by-side and it’s not just a

side-by-side and it’s not just a

side-by-side and it’s not just a transactional relationship

transactional relationship

transactional relationship yeah jayven one one on say we took

yeah jayven one one on say we took

yeah jayven one one on say we took various on other labs but find companies

various on other labs but find companies

various on other labs but find companies and partners and suppliers and

and partners and suppliers and

and partners and suppliers and manufacturers who share your your values

manufacturers who share your your values

manufacturers who share your your values I think it’s really important and part

I think it’s really important and part

I think it’s really important and part of the values you want to work with is

of the values you want to work with is

of the values you want to work with is is integrity and Trust because I think

is integrity and Trust because I think

is integrity and Trust because I think that that’s in companies with a half a

that that’s in companies with a half a

that that’s in companies with a half a companies you want to work with

companies you want to work with

companies you want to work with and that you’ll be successful with so I

and that you’ll be successful with so I

and that you’ll be successful with so I you know if you know a company a

you know if you know a company a

you know if you know a company a manufacturer has bad ethics don’t go

manufacturer has bad ethics don’t go

manufacturer has bad ethics don’t go there just don’t don’t don’t compromise

there just don’t don’t don’t compromise

there just don’t don’t don’t compromise yourself don’t never sell your soul so

yourself don’t never sell your soul so

yourself don’t never sell your soul so focus on the the individuals with our

focus on the the individuals with our

focus on the the individuals with our high ethics if you’re pitching good at

high ethics if you’re pitching good at

high ethics if you’re pitching good at some of these there’s so many both web

some of these there’s so many both web

some of these there’s so many both web base and real time pitching operations

base and real time pitching operations

base and real time pitching operations there’s something tomorrow our theme is

there’s something tomorrow our theme is

there’s something tomorrow our theme is called hashtag release IT where 10

called hashtag release IT where 10

called hashtag release IT where 10 companies go along and pitch their ideas

companies go along and pitch their ideas

companies go along and pitch their ideas travel companies there who instead of

travel companies there who instead of

travel companies there who instead of say what do you want they say how much

say what do you want they say how much

say what do you want they say how much money you got and they’ll come up with

money you got and they’ll come up with

money you got and they’ll come up with kind of despo k– packages search

kind of despo k– packages search

kind of despo k– packages search through the web around what will fit

through the web around what will fit

through the web around what will fit your needs so there’s loads of ways for

your needs so there’s loads of ways for

your needs so there’s loads of ways for you to get the idea I think again

you to get the idea I think again

you to get the idea I think again traditionally it’s very binary about

traditionally it’s very binary about

traditionally it’s very binary about kind of its we’ve got a big capital

kind of its we’ve got a big capital

kind of its we’ve got a big capital investment you go to manufactures I

investment you go to manufactures I

investment you go to manufactures I think in today’s world there’s much

think in today’s world there’s much

think in today’s world there’s much cleverer ways to actually start your

cleverer ways to actually start your

cleverer ways to actually start your business get your idea to market and

business get your idea to market and

business get your idea to market and then scale it up but most of all I’d

then scale it up but most of all I’d

then scale it up but most of all I’d always say Evan you know we’re the same

always say Evan you know we’re the same

always say Evan you know we’re the same in this I think always have companies

in this I think always have companies

in this I think always have companies you work with that share your values

you work with that share your values

you work with that share your values values and culture are really

values and culture are really

values and culture are really fundamental I love it

fundamental I love it

fundamental I love it next one coming in from cuchara my son

next one coming in from cuchara my son

next one coming in from cuchara my son is very creative and intelligent has

is very creative and intelligent has

is very creative and intelligent has come up with amazing ideas and I know

come up with amazing ideas and I know

come up with amazing ideas and I know we’re not out there how do you go about

we’re not out there how do you go about

we’re not out there how do you go about getting the money to do this

getting the money to do this

getting the money to do this so trying to support an entrepreneurial

so trying to support an entrepreneurial

so trying to support an entrepreneurial son what advice would you give I love

son what advice would you give I love

son what advice would you give I love that I’ve set them up in the garage and

that I’ve set them up in the garage and

that I’ve set them up in the garage and I’d say let’s let’s let’s pick your top

I’d say let’s let’s let’s pick your top

I’d say let’s let’s let’s pick your top ten ideas let’s get a few your buddies

ten ideas let’s get a few your buddies

ten ideas let’s get a few your buddies in in terms of you know maybe sort of

in in terms of you know maybe sort of

in in terms of you know maybe sort of simulate customers sort of focus groups

simulate customers sort of focus groups

simulate customers sort of focus groups pick pick one just pick one don’t try

pick pick one just pick one don’t try

pick pick one just pick one don’t try and you know spread yourself too thin li

and you know spread yourself too thin li

and you know spread yourself too thin li and then go to market with that idea and

and then go to market with that idea and

and then go to market with that idea and then you can always scale up or come

then you can always scale up or come

then you can always scale up or come back to the second idea I think in terms

back to the second idea I think in terms

back to the second idea I think in terms of if you need finance to start it you

of if you need finance to start it you

of if you need finance to start it you know 70% of our customers actually use

know 70% of our customers actually use

know 70% of our customers actually use their own life savings or remor which

their own life savings or remor which

their own life savings or remor which they’re at their homes that it’s a good

they’re at their homes that it’s a good

they’re at their homes that it’s a good way you know if you really have passion

way you know if you really have passion

way you know if you really have passion about your business is to back it with

about your business is to back it with

about your business is to back it with some of your own kind of life savings

some of your own kind of life savings

some of your own kind of life savings but all set is a great idea then there’s

but all set is a great idea then there’s

but all set is a great idea then there’s fo

fo

fo around the world people I have earned me

around the world people I have earned me

around the world people I have earned me or your friendship group who are

or your friendship group who are

or your friendship group who are prepared to invest a little bit in the

prepared to invest a little bit in the

prepared to invest a little bit in the idea now I’ll give you an example

idea now I’ll give you an example

idea now I’ll give you an example another guy I invested in about 12 years

another guy I invested in about 12 years

another guy I invested in about 12 years ago called Mike he had so much energy so

ago called Mike he had so much energy so

ago called Mike he had so much energy so much passion I honestly I wasn’t sure

much passion I honestly I wasn’t sure

much passion I honestly I wasn’t sure about the idea but I I backed the

about the idea but I I backed the

about the idea but I I backed the individual and I said no you’re asking

individual and I said no you’re asking

individual and I said no you’re asking like four hundred thousand or something

like four hundred thousand or something

like four hundred thousand or something like that I said I’ll give you twenty

like that I said I’ll give you twenty

like that I said I’ll give you twenty five thousand if we hit these or you go

five thousand if we hit these or you go

five thousand if we hit these or you go away and hit these kind of milestones in

away and hit these kind of milestones in

away and hit these kind of milestones in the next six months I’m happy to double

the next six months I’m happy to double

the next six months I’m happy to double down with you but I’m not sure about the

down with you but I’m not sure about the

down with you but I’m not sure about the idea and it’s kind of when you get

idea and it’s kind of when you get

idea and it’s kind of when you get people like that and I that was me in

people like that and I that was me in

people like that and I that was me in that case it it keeps you honest so it

that case it it keeps you honest so it

that case it it keeps you honest so it actually says that yeah I’ve got to hit

actually says that yeah I’ve got to hit

actually says that yeah I’ve got to hit these kind of goals I’ve got to make

these kind of goals I’ve got to make

these kind of goals I’ve got to make these 90-day goals 180 day goals and if

these 90-day goals 180 day goals and if

these 90-day goals 180 day goals and if I do there’s a number of customers

I do there’s a number of customers

I do there’s a number of customers reference ability of those customers all

reference ability of those customers all

reference ability of those customers all those sort of things then you’re going

those sort of things then you’re going

those sort of things then you’re going to attract money honestly

to attract money honestly

to attract money honestly it’s like not only never worry about

it’s like not only never worry about

it’s like not only never worry about making money but also never chase money

making money but also never chase money

making money but also never chase money to fund your business because great

to fund your business because great

to fund your business because great businesses will have a wealth of

businesses will have a wealth of

businesses will have a wealth of investors out there was just making sure

investors out there was just making sure

investors out there was just making sure you find them through the best channels

you find them through the best channels

you find them through the best channels and sequence of time when you need them

and sequence of time when you need them

and sequence of time when you need them but for your son setting them up near

but for your son setting them up near

but for your son setting them up near garage find his best idea get it to

garage find his best idea get it to

garage find his best idea get it to market quickly back a scale it up and

market quickly back a scale it up and

market quickly back a scale it up and make sure it’s all focused on providing

make sure it’s all focused on providing

make sure it’s all focused on providing value so you know I’d support him

value so you know I’d support him

value so you know I’d support him totally yeah and I would say don’t let

totally yeah and I would say don’t let

totally yeah and I would say don’t let the lack of money be the restriction

the lack of money be the restriction

the lack of money be the restriction because it’s not because right now you

because it’s not because right now you

because it’s not because right now you want to invest your hustle your energy

want to invest your hustle your energy

want to invest your hustle your energy your your ideas your enthusiasm I like I

your your ideas your enthusiasm I like I

your your ideas your enthusiasm I like I like I love you do picking one idea and

like I love you do picking one idea and

like I love you do picking one idea and setting it up in your garage or basement

setting it up in your garage or basement

setting it up in your garage or basement or tree house or whatever and just start

or tree house or whatever and just start

or tree house or whatever and just start and give him the motivation

and give him the motivation

and give him the motivation encouragement that you believe in his

encouragement that you believe in his

encouragement that you believe in his ideas even if you know he hasn’t had

ideas even if you know he hasn’t had

ideas even if you know he hasn’t had success yet in the marketplace my

success yet in the marketplace my

success yet in the marketplace my parents did that with me when I was

parents did that with me when I was

parents did that with me when I was selling baseball cards you know 12 years

selling baseball cards you know 12 years

selling baseball cards you know 12 years old 13 years old setting up shop on my

old 13 years old setting up shop on my

old 13 years old setting up shop on my driveway selling baseball cards every

driveway selling baseball cards every

driveway selling baseball cards every weekend and that taught me a lot of the

weekend and that taught me a lot of the

weekend and that taught me a lot of the entrepreneurial hustle and skills and

entrepreneurial hustle and skills and

entrepreneurial hustle and skills and maybe your son’s ideas were bigger than

maybe your son’s ideas were bigger than

maybe your son’s ideas were bigger than that

that

that and that’s great but you don’t you don’t

and that’s great but you don’t you don’t

and that’s great but you don’t you don’t need money yet to start it go out and

need money yet to start it go out and

need money yet to start it go out and get customers yet I get some

get customers yet I get some

get customers yet I get some feedback from the market the people like

feedback from the market the people like

feedback from the market the people like this and if you really need it then you

this and if you really need it then you

this and if you really need it then you can go launch a Kickstarter campaign

can go launch a Kickstarter campaign

can go launch a Kickstarter campaign once you’ve created your idea once you

once you’ve created your idea once you

once you’ve created your idea once you have some momentum once you know what

have some momentum once you know what

have some momentum once you know what people want and then before you go I

people want and then before you go I

people want and then before you go I hate the idea of luxury mortgaging your

hate the idea of luxury mortgaging your

hate the idea of luxury mortgaging your house to bet on an idea and then it

house to bet on an idea and then it

house to bet on an idea and then it doesn’t work that it’s just a big maybe

doesn’t work that it’s just a big maybe

doesn’t work that it’s just a big maybe that’s my own thing I’m just I’m so

that’s my own thing I’m just I’m so

that’s my own thing I’m just I’m so scared of entrepreneurs to do that

scared of entrepreneurs to do that

scared of entrepreneurs to do that there’s always a smaller way to get

there’s always a smaller way to get

there’s always a smaller way to get started you don’t need to fill your

started you don’t need to fill your

started you don’t need to fill your basement with 5000 t-shirts you can go

basement with 5000 t-shirts you can go

basement with 5000 t-shirts you can go to teespring and do it one at a time and

to teespring and do it one at a time and

to teespring and do it one at a time and yes it’s not as profitable but you can

yes it’s not as profitable but you can

yes it’s not as profitable but you can prove that it works like just prove that

prove that it works like just prove that

prove that it works like just prove that you can sell one thing before you go out

you can sell one thing before you go out

you can sell one thing before you go out and start spending a lot of money and

and start spending a lot of money and

and start spending a lot of money and investing you know your life savings or

investing you know your life savings or

investing you know your life savings or his life savings into it or going on the

his life savings into it or going on the

his life savings into it or going on the credit card I know that’s how

credit card I know that’s how

credit card I know that’s how entrepreneurs do it and it just scares

entrepreneurs do it and it just scares

entrepreneurs do it and it just scares me because I don’t want you to make a

me because I don’t want you to make a

me because I don’t want you to make a financial decision that then impacts you

financial decision that then impacts you

financial decision that then impacts you for the you know potentially the rest of

for the you know potentially the rest of

for the you know potentially the rest of your life

your life

your life so don’t let money be the limiting

so don’t let money be the limiting

so don’t let money be the limiting factor just put your energy your heart

factor just put your energy your heart

factor just put your energy your heart your hustle into a go get some customers

your hustle into a go get some customers

your hustle into a go get some customers get feedback on the idea make a

get feedback on the idea make a

get feedback on the idea make a prototype and get get some order so it

prototype and get get some order so it

prototype and get get some order so it may not be as fast as you want to grow

may not be as fast as you want to grow

may not be as fast as you want to grow it but there’s nothing wrong with

it but there’s nothing wrong with

it but there’s nothing wrong with bootstrapping a business and seeing

bootstrapping a business and seeing

bootstrapping a business and seeing success every step along the way yeah

success every step along the way yeah

success every step along the way yeah even some of the phrases I use around

even some of the phrases I use around

even some of the phrases I use around here is kind of we want to run some you

here is kind of we want to run some you

here is kind of we want to run some you want to run a bootstrap business you run

want to run a bootstrap business you run

want to run a bootstrap business you run it on fumes

it on fumes

it on fumes you really do because if you throw money

you really do because if you throw money

you really do because if you throw money a business you’ve seen in loads of BC

a business you’ve seen in loads of BC

a business you’ve seen in loads of BC back businesses they just waste millions

back businesses they just waste millions

back businesses they just waste millions and tens or hundreds of millions of

and tens or hundreds of millions of

and tens or hundreds of millions of dollars if you actually running on fumes

dollars if you actually running on fumes

dollars if you actually running on fumes and focus on what do we need to do to

and focus on what do we need to do to

and focus on what do we need to do to provide value for customers and start

provide value for customers and start

provide value for customers and start with the first few customers and a lot

with the first few customers and a lot

with the first few customers and a lot of businesses actually I’ve invested in

of businesses actually I’ve invested in

of businesses actually I’ve invested in the customers have funded the businesses

the customers have funded the businesses

the customers have funded the businesses and then there’s a second way where they

and then there’s a second way where they

and then there’s a second way where they really need to scale up and then when

really need to scale up and then when

really need to scale up and then when they do that the other things we kind of

they do that the other things we kind of

they do that the other things we kind of say around here is always keep a chair

say around here is always keep a chair

say around here is always keep a chair in every meeting free for a customer and

in every meeting free for a customer and

in every meeting free for a customer and ask you so I closed in brown called Ted

ask you so I closed in brown called Ted

ask you so I closed in brown called Ted Baker they said what is Ted one well

Baker they said what is Ted one well

Baker they said what is Ted one well then in Ted’s a fictional character but

then in Ted’s a fictional character but

then in Ted’s a fictional character but he the brand is Ted Baker and he’s a

he the brand is Ted Baker and he’s a

he the brand is Ted Baker and he’s a fictional character they said what would

fictional character they said what would

fictional character they said what would tell what would the customer how would

tell what would the customer how would

tell what would the customer how would the customer feel about you know that

the customer feel about you know that

the customer feel about you know that design or that that lapel oh you know so

design or that that lapel oh you know so

design or that that lapel oh you know so you’re always putting yourself in the

you’re always putting yourself in the

you’re always putting yourself in the shoes of the customer if you do that

shoes of the customer if you do that

shoes of the customer if you do that and you really kind of other words like

and you really kind of other words like

and you really kind of other words like treat the company’s money as if it’s

treat the company’s money as if it’s

treat the company’s money as if it’s your own because it is and then really

your own because it is and then really

your own because it is and then really think where would I invest that extra $1

think where would I invest that extra $1

think where would I invest that extra $1 and and think one dollar at a time $10 a

and and think one dollar at a time $10 a

and and think one dollar at a time $10 a $500 time because the worst thing you

$500 time because the worst thing you

$500 time because the worst thing you can do honestly is give your shown a lot

can do honestly is give your shown a lot

can do honestly is give your shown a lot of money because you might not see him

of money because you might not see him

of money because you might not see him you might go traveling around the world

you might go traveling around the world

you might go traveling around the world for the next year but if you wants to

for the next year but if you wants to

for the next year but if you wants to really grow his business the smart thing

really grow his business the smart thing

really grow his business the smart thing to do is say let’s take one idea what

to do is say let’s take one idea what

to do is say let’s take one idea what would it take to win the first customer

would it take to win the first customer

would it take to win the first customer let’s go and do that scale it up to the

let’s go and do that scale it up to the

let’s go and do that scale it up to the next hundred stay connected to those

next hundred stay connected to those

next hundred stay connected to those customers to get feedback innovate

customers to get feedback innovate

customers to get feedback innovate improve the product and then when you’re

improve the product and then when you’re

improve the product and then when you’re confident its scalable think about the

confident its scalable think about the

confident its scalable think about the next idea yeah I love it it’s a classic

next idea yeah I love it it’s a classic

next idea yeah I love it it’s a classic give a man a fish or teach him how to

give a man a fish or teach him how to

give a man a fish or teach him how to fish Yeah right like the best investment

fish Yeah right like the best investment

fish Yeah right like the best investment you can make into your Sinus to teach

you can make into your Sinus to teach

you can make into your Sinus to teach him how to fish instead of giving in the

him how to fish instead of giving in the

him how to fish instead of giving in the fish I love it okay Irene I’m selling

fish I love it okay Irene I’m selling

fish I love it okay Irene I’m selling and recommending health beauty and

and recommending health beauty and

and recommending health beauty and weight management products how do I make

weight management products how do I make

weight management products how do I make it make money because it’s picking up

it make money because it’s picking up

it make money because it’s picking up rather slowly yeah and I guess in this

rather slowly yeah and I guess in this

rather slowly yeah and I guess in this world is that you could argue it’s a

world is that you could argue it’s a

world is that you could argue it’s a crowded market so I think the first

crowded market so I think the first

crowded market so I think the first thing you probably you’ve got to think

thing you probably you’ve got to think

thing you probably you’ve got to think about back to what we talked about you

about back to what we talked about you

about back to what we talked about you know what’s the need you serving why is

know what’s the need you serving why is

know what’s the need you serving why is it different where’s the value and how

it different where’s the value and how

it different where’s the value and how you differentiate it from all the other

you differentiate it from all the other

you differentiate it from all the other noisy products out there so and then I

noisy products out there so and then I

noisy products out there so and then I think fundamentally it comes back to

think fundamentally it comes back to

think fundamentally it comes back to find a really strong reference group of

find a really strong reference group of

find a really strong reference group of customers that you can and I guess

customers that you can and I guess

customers that you can and I guess you’re selling your product through the

you’re selling your product through the

you’re selling your product through the internet and how you actually once

internet and how you actually once

internet and how you actually once you’ve established a good customer base

you’ve established a good customer base

you’ve established a good customer base start expanding that customer base so it

start expanding that customer base so it

start expanding that customer base so it might be things like loyalty it might be

might be things like loyalty it might be

might be things like loyalty it might be things I think with that sort of product

things I think with that sort of product

things I think with that sort of product as well you probably need a broader

as well you probably need a broader

as well you probably need a broader offering in terms of health Beauty not

offering in terms of health Beauty not

offering in terms of health Beauty not just the product but the whole kind of

just the product but the whole kind of

just the product but the whole kind of lifestyle so you might kind of feature

lifestyle so you might kind of feature

lifestyle so you might kind of feature stuff on your website around lifestyle

stuff on your website around lifestyle

stuff on your website around lifestyle health beauty even back to sleep and

health beauty even back to sleep and

health beauty even back to sleep and stuff like that so you’ve got to provide

stuff like that so you’ve got to provide

stuff like that so you’ve got to provide more value than just the product to

more value than just the product to

more value than just the product to stand out and then the key thing with

stand out and then the key thing with

stand out and then the key thing with all in a crowded noisy marketplace where

all in a crowded noisy marketplace where

all in a crowded noisy marketplace where there’s a sea of products you’ve got a

there’s a sea of products you’ve got a

there’s a sea of products you’ve got a absent

absent

absent you always think how I stand there how

you always think how I stand there how

you always think how I stand there how do I differentiate how do people come to

do I differentiate how do people come to

do I differentiate how do people come to my brand because it is special unique

my brand because it is special unique

my brand because it is special unique and it really meets their needs

and it really meets their needs

and it really meets their needs yeah the tag on what Steve was saying I

yeah the tag on what Steve was saying I

yeah the tag on what Steve was saying I always try to focus on what your story

always try to focus on what your story

always try to focus on what your story is why is it so interesting for you did

is why is it so interesting for you did

is why is it so interesting for you did this help you like have you lost weight

this help you like have you lost weight

this help you like have you lost weight using these things do you feel more

using these things do you feel more

using these things do you feel more healthy you’re beautiful because of

healthy you’re beautiful because of

healthy you’re beautiful because of using it I think a lot of people jump in

using it I think a lot of people jump in

using it I think a lot of people jump in the industry just saying they can make a

the industry just saying they can make a

the industry just saying they can make a lot of money and they’ve never actually

lot of money and they’ve never actually

lot of money and they’ve never actually used the products and it would never

used the products and it would never

used the products and it would never actually recommend it to their friends

actually recommend it to their friends

actually recommend it to their friends that’s not something like if you if you

that’s not something like if you if you

that’s not something like if you if you don’t believe in your product and you

don’t believe in your product and you

don’t believe in your product and you don’t use it and have insane success

don’t use it and have insane success

don’t use it and have insane success with it you can’t expect to get results

with it you can’t expect to get results

with it you can’t expect to get results selling it and so I think just even this

selling it and so I think just even this

selling it and so I think just even this point about there’s so many different

point about there’s so many different

point about there’s so many different products on the market the thing that

products on the market the thing that

products on the market the thing that will make you stand out is your story

will make you stand out is your story

will make you stand out is your story and why you’re so passionate about it

and why you’re so passionate about it

and why you’re so passionate about it and I would use that to open up doors

and I would use that to open up doors

and I would use that to open up doors and instead of kind of target one at a

and instead of kind of target one at a

and instead of kind of target one at a time at a time at a time I’d be looking

time at a time at a time I’d be looking

time at a time at a time I’d be looking at who can i partner with to reach my

at who can i partner with to reach my

at who can i partner with to reach my customers so instead of I can find

customers so instead of I can find

customers so instead of I can find someone who has a thousand customers

someone who has a thousand customers

someone who has a thousand customers that I can talk to them instead of one

that I can talk to them instead of one

that I can talk to them instead of one at a time and it also be try to get to

at a time and it also be try to get to

at a time and it also be try to get to the media I have stories written about

the media I have stories written about

the media I have stories written about me what if my story like the media is

me what if my story like the media is

me what if my story like the media is always they always want story so give

always they always want story so give

always they always want story so give them a good story they’re not gonna

them a good story they’re not gonna

them a good story they’re not gonna write about your new product that was

write about your new product that was

write about your new product that was just launched they care about the human

just launched they care about the human

just launched they care about the human side of it and so those two things I

side of it and so those two things I

side of it and so those two things I think could be really helpful if you

think could be really helpful if you

think could be really helpful if you have a really powerful story to tell hey

have a really powerful story to tell hey

have a really powerful story to tell hey Evan you can’t believe it was two days

Evan you can’t believe it was two days

Evan you can’t believe it was two days ago

ago

ago up a big operation we’ve got a new cast

up a big operation we’ve got a new cast

up a big operation we’ve got a new cast of about 1800 people we’ve got an

of about 1800 people we’ve got an

of about 1800 people we’ve got an entrepreneur a lady called Nikki got in

entrepreneur a lady called Nikki got in

entrepreneur a lady called Nikki got in and we’re celebrating International

and we’re celebrating International

and we’re celebrating International Women’s Day on women in technology we

Women’s Day on women in technology we

Women’s Day on women in technology we started loads of stuff we’re doing a big

started loads of stuff we’re doing a big

started loads of stuff we’re doing a big thing next month for female

thing next month for female

thing next month for female entrepreneurs to come in and do pitches

entrepreneurs to come in and do pitches

entrepreneurs to come in and do pitches and improve their pictures and get fund

and improve their pictures and get fund

and improve their pictures and get fund and you get mentoring all those of this

and you get mentoring all those of this

and you get mentoring all those of this but there is why I’m telling you this

but there is why I’m telling you this

but there is why I’m telling you this Nikki got she just told her story she

Nikki got she just told her story she

Nikki got she just told her story she told us about you know the days when it

told us about you know the days when it

told us about you know the days when it was deeply depressing and she’s build an

was deeply depressing and she’s build an

was deeply depressing and she’s build an awesome business in event management and

awesome business in event management and

awesome business in event management and she personalized it completely to her

she personalized it completely to her

she personalized it completely to her the adversities she’s faced how she’s

the adversities she’s faced how she’s

the adversities she’s faced how she’s overcome them and you know it was

overcome them and you know it was

overcome them and you know it was inspirational it was probably about 400

inspirational it was probably about 400

inspirational it was probably about 400 of our colleagues there and

of our colleagues there and

of our colleagues there and for a moment there wasn’t a dry eye in

for a moment there wasn’t a dry eye in

for a moment there wasn’t a dry eye in the house honestly and it was less about

the house honestly and it was less about

the house honestly and it was less about the product it was more about the story

the product it was more about the story

the product it was more about the story and it was about the emotional

and it was about the emotional

and it was about the emotional connection and I think what you’re doing

connection and I think what you’re doing

connection and I think what you’re doing for your product in this instance is

for your product in this instance is

for your product in this instance is changing lives you know you if it’s

changing lives you know you if it’s

changing lives you know you if it’s around weight loss well-being avoiding

around weight loss well-being avoiding

around weight loss well-being avoiding depression all those sort of things it’s

depression all those sort of things it’s

depression all those sort of things it’s really connecting individuals with a

really connecting individuals with a

really connecting individuals with a life that they may not have even known

life that they may not have even known

life that they may not have even known as possible and if you can bring them

as possible and if you can bring them

as possible and if you can bring them the narrative around your own story and

the narrative around your own story and

the narrative around your own story and the beauty of that and how’s it impacted

the beauty of that and how’s it impacted

the beauty of that and how’s it impacted you and maybe friends and it’s they’re

you and maybe friends and it’s they’re

you and maybe friends and it’s they’re happy your customers who have actually

happy your customers who have actually

happy your customers who have actually had huge success and completely

had huge success and completely

had huge success and completely reimagine themselves and rebuilt their

reimagine themselves and rebuilt their

reimagine themselves and rebuilt their own self-esteem then I think that’s

own self-esteem then I think that’s

own self-esteem then I think that’s awesome and and you could feature that

awesome and and you could feature that

awesome and and you could feature that on your website because I think it is a

on your website because I think it is a

on your website because I think it is a very personal story and it’s very

very personal story and it’s very

very personal story and it’s very emotional of it I love it next question

emotional of it I love it next question

emotional of it I love it next question is kind of similar the difference here

is kind of similar the difference here

is kind of similar the difference here is though I says the customers find it

is though I says the customers find it

is though I says the customers find it Costas isn’t the same industry but he’s

Costas isn’t the same industry but he’s

Costas isn’t the same industry but he’s finding a the biggest rejection from

finding a the biggest rejection from

finding a the biggest rejection from customers is cost it’s too costly so how

customers is cost it’s too costly so how

customers is cost it’s too costly so how does it pass the this is too expensive

does it pass the this is too expensive

does it pass the this is too expensive objection in in selling his idea yeah

objection in in selling his idea yeah

objection in in selling his idea yeah it’s great I think it comes back to what

it’s great I think it comes back to what

it’s great I think it comes back to what we said what is the value typically you

we said what is the value typically you

we said what is the value typically you know if customer says too costly they’re

know if customer says too costly they’re

know if customer says too costly they’re probably saying there’s something else

probably saying there’s something else

probably saying there’s something else we used to call it there’s a hidden

we used to call it there’s a hidden

we used to call it there’s a hidden objection rarely do customers if you’ve

objection rarely do customers if you’ve

objection rarely do customers if you’ve got it which all about ideas we’re not

got it which all about ideas we’re not

got it which all about ideas we’re not just producing widgets if you’ve got an

just producing widgets if you’ve got an

just producing widgets if you’ve got an idea it’s probably gonna be unique it’s

idea it’s probably gonna be unique it’s

idea it’s probably gonna be unique it’s gonna solve a real pain point for

gonna solve a real pain point for

gonna solve a real pain point for consumers or businesses and it’s gonna

consumers or businesses and it’s gonna

consumers or businesses and it’s gonna either save them bucket loads of cash

either save them bucket loads of cash

either save them bucket loads of cash it’s gonna save a lot of time it’s gonna

it’s gonna save a lot of time it’s gonna

it’s gonna save a lot of time it’s gonna improve their well-being there’s got to

improve their well-being there’s got to

improve their well-being there’s got to be something that just jumps out in

be something that just jumps out in

be something that just jumps out in terms of improving their whole user

terms of improving their whole user

terms of improving their whole user experience of your product or service

experience of your product or service

experience of your product or service and and that’s you know I’m not going to

and and that’s you know I’m not going to

and and that’s you know I’m not going to say it’s priceless

say it’s priceless

say it’s priceless but but people will drive value and cost

but but people will drive value and cost

but but people will drive value and cost becomes a second consideration so if

becomes a second consideration so if

becomes a second consideration so if you’re getting hit by costs and you have

you’re getting hit by costs and you have

you’re getting hit by costs and you have what you consider to be a unique

what you consider to be a unique

what you consider to be a unique proposition to a problem you’re trying

proposition to a problem you’re trying

proposition to a problem you’re trying to solve your customers

to solve your customers

to solve your customers then I’d say we’re probably not focusing

then I’d say we’re probably not focusing

then I’d say we’re probably not focusing enough on the value and really

enough on the value and really

enough on the value and really accentuated the value of what you’ve

accentuated the value of what you’ve

accentuated the value of what you’ve provided because if they get the value

provided because if they get the value

provided because if they get the value and how it makes a difference to their

and how it makes a difference to their

and how it makes a difference to their lives then cost is always a secondary

lives then cost is always a secondary

lives then cost is always a secondary factor yeah I think the biggest thing is

factor yeah I think the biggest thing is

factor yeah I think the biggest thing is people don’t know why you’re different

people don’t know why you’re different

people don’t know why you’re different you know prices always it’s always a one

you know prices always it’s always a one

you know prices always it’s always a one of the concerns there are very few

of the concerns there are very few

of the concerns there are very few people said I don’t care about price

people said I don’t care about price

people said I don’t care about price right price is always a concern but it’s

right price is always a concern but it’s

right price is always a concern but it’s almost never the only concern because

almost never the only concern because

almost never the only concern because they want some kind of value in return

they want some kind of value in return

they want some kind of value in return but if I can’t tell the difference

but if I can’t tell the difference

but if I can’t tell the difference between you and somebody else I’m gonna

between you and somebody else I’m gonna

between you and somebody else I’m gonna go with the cheapest one right you know

go with the cheapest one right you know

go with the cheapest one right you know I went to Tim Hortons this morning to

I went to Tim Hortons this morning to

I went to Tim Hortons this morning to get a coffee because I liked him Hortons

get a coffee because I liked him Hortons

get a coffee because I liked him Hortons you know I use sage software because I

you know I use sage software because I

you know I use sage software because I like sage right and so you know if

like sage right and so you know if

like sage right and so you know if people cannot tell that this is your job

people cannot tell that this is your job

people cannot tell that this is your job to help me understand the difference

to help me understand the difference

to help me understand the difference between what you’re offering and

between what you’re offering and

between what you’re offering and everything else are in the market

everything else are in the market

everything else are in the market because if I can’t make that connection

because if I can’t make that connection

because if I can’t make that connection then I’m just gonna go for the cheapest

then I’m just gonna go for the cheapest

then I’m just gonna go for the cheapest option yeah and it could be you know if

option yeah and it could be you know if

option yeah and it could be you know if you’re trying to build a brand like Tim

you’re trying to build a brand like Tim

you’re trying to build a brand like Tim Hall it’s a great example I’d always go

Hall it’s a great example I’d always go

Hall it’s a great example I’d always go to my local coffee provider and I’d

to my local coffee provider and I’d

to my local coffee provider and I’d never go to Starbucks why because I like

never go to Starbucks why because I like

never go to Starbucks why because I like to go in a local guy who gets up every

to go in a local guy who gets up every

to go in a local guy who gets up every morning at 5 o’clock and builds you know

morning at 5 o’clock and builds you know

morning at 5 o’clock and builds you know builds their dreams and just use their

builds their dreams and just use their

builds their dreams and just use their passions so I declare yeah I’m put a

passions so I declare yeah I’m put a

passions so I declare yeah I’m put a prejudice I don’t want to go to the big

prejudice I don’t want to go to the big

prejudice I don’t want to go to the big multinational guys I want to get the

multinational guys I want to get the

multinational guys I want to get the little guys all our all our suppliers

little guys all our all our suppliers

little guys all our all our suppliers for Sage they’re all the small and

for Sage they’re all the small and

for Sage they’re all the small and medium businesses will actively not go

medium businesses will actively not go

medium businesses will actively not go to the big guys so do we consider that

to the big guys so do we consider that

to the big guys so do we consider that we always get the lowest cost no but we

we always get the lowest cost no but we

we always get the lowest cost no but we think we get quality relationships and

think we get quality relationships and

think we get quality relationships and great products and services from

great products and services from

great products and services from companies we deal with so I think so it

companies we deal with so I think so it

companies we deal with so I think so it kind of comes back to Evans point but it

kind of comes back to Evans point but it

kind of comes back to Evans point but it might be that you focused on the wrong

might be that you focused on the wrong

might be that you focused on the wrong community is selling to if they don’t

community is selling to if they don’t

community is selling to if they don’t get the value they don’t get the

get the value they don’t get the

get the value they don’t get the differentiation of what the magic you

differentiation of what the magic you

differentiation of what the magic you can provide then obviously kind of pitch

can provide then obviously kind of pitch

can provide then obviously kind of pitch it differently first of all but if they

it differently first of all but if they

it differently first of all but if they still don’t get it

still don’t get it

still don’t get it and it’s just purely a cosplay then

and it’s just purely a cosplay then

and it’s just purely a cosplay then they’re missing the value and you you

they’re missing the value and you you

they’re missing the value and you you probably want to move on to the next

probably want to move on to the next

probably want to move on to the next idea yeah or the next customer right

idea yeah or the next customer right

idea yeah or the next customer right like yeah I know ideal customers

like yeah I know ideal customers

like yeah I know ideal customers absolutely you can be what customers are

absolutely you can be what customers are

absolutely you can be what customers are just too cheap so let’s move on there’s

just too cheap so let’s move on there’s

just too cheap so let’s move on there’s other customers who who would be well

other customers who who would be well

other customers who who would be well to pay you if you provide in the volume

KRC Katie what’s the best way to

KRC Katie what’s the best way to monetize a website my brother has just

monetize a website my brother has just

monetize a website my brother has just set up a website that provides rolling

set up a website that provides rolling

set up a website that provides rolling tennis coverage

tennis coverage

tennis coverage he’s been frustrated at the BBC sport as

he’s been frustrated at the BBC sport as

he’s been frustrated at the BBC sport as very patchy tennis coverage and other

very patchy tennis coverage and other

very patchy tennis coverage and other sports as a knock on BBC here

sports as a knock on BBC here

sports as a knock on BBC here that’s great content how can he turn it

that’s great content how can he turn it

that’s great content how can he turn it into a viable business so he’s trying to

into a viable business so he’s trying to

into a viable business so he’s trying to create this website talking about tennis

create this website talking about tennis

create this website talking about tennis upset at the BBC how does he make it

upset at the BBC how does he make it

upset at the BBC how does he make it into a business so I think he probably

into a business so I think he probably

into a business so I think he probably again it comes back to a little bit

again it comes back to a little bit

again it comes back to a little bit having differentiate ourselves there’s a

having differentiate ourselves there’s a

having differentiate ourselves there’s a lot of content on the web I think

lot of content on the web I think

lot of content on the web I think there’s about four billion hits on

there’s about four billion hits on

there’s about four billion hits on YouTube every every day it’s just crazy

YouTube every every day it’s just crazy

YouTube every every day it’s just crazy so again well why is this different and

so again well why is this different and

so again well why is this different and then how are we attract the inbound how

then how are we attract the inbound how

then how are we attract the inbound how do we actually get ourselves so when

do we actually get ourselves so when

do we actually get ourselves so when people search on tennis content we

people search on tennis content we

people search on tennis content we actually pop up on the Google search and

actually pop up on the Google search and

actually pop up on the Google search and although some of its so the first thing

although some of its so the first thing

although some of its so the first thing is to have brilliant content so question

is to have brilliant content so question

is to have brilliant content so question what what what mark will be trying to

what what what mark will be trying to

what what what mark will be trying to serve what’s our big idea if our big

serve what’s our big idea if our big

serve what’s our big idea if our big idea is to give incredible tennis

idea is to give incredible tennis

idea is to give incredible tennis content and maybe some added value

content and maybe some added value

content and maybe some added value around commentary or insight or you know

around commentary or insight or you know

around commentary or insight or you know what why you know what what’s the view

what why you know what what’s the view

what why you know what what’s the view on share up over at the moment and all

on share up over at the moment and all

on share up over at the moment and all the kind of stuff in the news around

the kind of stuff in the news around

the kind of stuff in the news around drugs totally different angle you

drugs totally different angle you

drugs totally different angle you wouldn’t get that from the BBC up are

wouldn’t get that from the BBC up are

wouldn’t get that from the BBC up are from the BBC News but you wouldn’t get

from the BBC News but you wouldn’t get

from the BBC News but you wouldn’t get it from kind of the sports commentary

it from kind of the sports commentary

it from kind of the sports commentary piece so what is the angle what is the

piece so what is the angle what is the

piece so what is the angle what is the difference and then build on that and

difference and then build on that and

difference and then build on that and then obviously I think through the

then obviously I think through the

then obviously I think through the websites all about creating the

websites all about creating the

websites all about creating the volunteer army get it to go viral get

volunteer army get it to go viral get

volunteer army get it to go viral get loads of fun and the other thing you

loads of fun and the other thing you

loads of fun and the other thing you could do I think you’ve got to make

could do I think you’ve got to make

could do I think you’ve got to make stuff on the web pretty fun these days

stuff on the web pretty fun these days

stuff on the web pretty fun these days so run competitions run surveys if

so run competitions run surveys if

so run competitions run surveys if you’re going off to Flushing Meadow is

you’re going off to Flushing Meadow is

you’re going off to Flushing Meadow is you going off to Wimbledon get a big

you going off to Wimbledon get a big

you going off to Wimbledon get a big community build a community build that

community build a community build that

community build a community build that volunteer army of people who love tennis

volunteer army of people who love tennis

volunteer army of people who love tennis as much as you do and give them

as much as you do and give them

as much as you do and give them something different give them another

something different give them another

something different give them another angle get them engaged through

angle get them engaged through

angle get them engaged through competition surveys maybe get them a

competition surveys maybe get them a

competition surveys maybe get them a couple of tickets to Flushing Meadows if

couple of tickets to Flushing Meadows if

couple of tickets to Flushing Meadows if they do amazing stuff for you thank you

they do amazing stuff for you thank you

they do amazing stuff for you thank you creativity to act when I say in terms of

creativity to act when I say in terms of

creativity to act when I say in terms of website business models one is you’re

website business models one is you’re

website business models one is you’re gonna go mass market you want to get

gonna go mass market you want to get

gonna go mass market you want to get tons of you know millions of views

tons of you know millions of views

tons of you know millions of views you’re gonna then sell average

you’re gonna then sell average

you’re gonna then sell average and have partnerships and sponsorships

and have partnerships and sponsorships

and have partnerships and sponsorships on your site because they’re buying the

on your site because they’re buying the

on your site because they’re buying the eyeballs the second way is that you’re

eyeballs the second way is that you’re

eyeballs the second way is that you’re building an intimate community where

building an intimate community where

building an intimate community where they know you like you trust you and

they know you like you trust you and

they know you like you trust you and then you’re gonna sell premium access to

then you’re gonna sell premium access to

then you’re gonna sell premium access to stuff if you access the content or your

stuff if you access the content or your

stuff if you access the content or your ideas or your opinions or gear you know

ideas or your opinions or gear you know

ideas or your opinions or gear you know swag whatever it is because they are are

swag whatever it is because they are are

swag whatever it is because they are are tagged to your brain you can do both you

tagged to your brain you can do both you

tagged to your brain you can do both you can be challenging but typically the

can be challenging but typically the

can be challenging but typically the websites that start do one first so

websites that start do one first so

websites that start do one first so either I’m gonna go big mark and get

either I’m gonna go big mark and get

either I’m gonna go big mark and get millions of people in still advertising

millions of people in still advertising

millions of people in still advertising or I’m going to focus on a really niche

or I’m going to focus on a really niche

or I’m going to focus on a really niche play and have a really loyal community

play and have a really loyal community

play and have a really loyal community and then start selling them products so

and then start selling them products so

and then start selling them products so two different kinds of models play

two different kinds of models play

two different kinds of models play around see was more in line with what he

around see was more in line with what he

around see was more in line with what he wants to do hey just a crazy one I Evan

wants to do hey just a crazy one I Evan

wants to do hey just a crazy one I Evan and it’s not related it is related to

and it’s not related it is related to

and it’s not related it is related to this but a wider point and like crazy

this but a wider point and like crazy

this but a wider point and like crazy believes the leave belief I live in a

believes the leave belief I live in a

believes the leave belief I live in a tennis players

tennis players

tennis players yeah I actually Roger Federer met him in

yeah I actually Roger Federer met him in

yeah I actually Roger Federer met him in Dubai the nicest person you could ever

Dubai the nicest person you could ever

Dubai the nicest person you could ever ever me now if I was building this

ever me now if I was building this

ever me now if I was building this website around tennis content I would

website around tennis content I would

website around tennis content I would never believe I could walk up to read

never believe I could walk up to read

never believe I could walk up to read Roger Federer pull out a microphone or

Roger Federer pull out a microphone or

Roger Federer pull out a microphone or an iPhone and just take a selfie or do

an iPhone and just take a selfie or do

an iPhone and just take a selfie or do an interview with him or Djokovic these

an interview with him or Djokovic these

an interview with him or Djokovic these guys are really nice guys you know

guys are really nice guys you know

guys are really nice guys you know Serena whips so maybe you do crazy stuff

Serena whips so maybe you do crazy stuff

Serena whips so maybe you do crazy stuff maybe you turn up at Flushing Meadows

maybe you turn up at Flushing Meadows

maybe you turn up at Flushing Meadows when they’re doing a practice session at

when they’re doing a practice session at

when they’re doing a practice session at 7:00 in the morning

7:00 in the morning

7:00 in the morning and maybe you say hey Serena can I just

and maybe you say hey Serena can I just

and maybe you say hey Serena can I just have 30 seconds with you I’ve got to ask

have 30 seconds with you I’ve got to ask

have 30 seconds with you I’ve got to ask this real burning question then post it

this real burning question then post it

this real burning question then post it yeah just be disruptive do different

yeah just be disruptive do different

yeah just be disruptive do different stuff do do stuff that no one would ever

stuff do do stuff that no one would ever

stuff do do stuff that no one would ever think of so but but my point is believe

think of so but but my point is believe

think of so but but my point is believe you will in your head we all have it we

you will in your head we all have it we

you will in your head we all have it we all have these kind of voices tell us we

all have these kind of voices tell us we

all have these kind of voices tell us we can’t do that we can’t go and talk to

can’t do that we can’t go and talk to

can’t do that we can’t go and talk to these famous people they’re

these famous people they’re

these famous people they’re unapproachable they’ve got 50,000

unapproachable they’ve got 50,000

unapproachable they’ve got 50,000 security guards they come in bulletproof

security guards they come in bulletproof

security guards they come in bulletproof limousines and they get dropped off and

limousines and they get dropped off and

limousines and they get dropped off and no they don’t they’re just normal people

no they don’t they’re just normal people

no they don’t they’re just normal people they were just like you and I you know

they were just like you and I you know

they were just like you and I you know they’re no different just because they

they’re no different just because they

they’re no different just because they play tennis and there are hundreds of

play tennis and there are hundreds of

play tennis and there are hundreds of billions of dollars they’re still normal

billions of dollars they’re still normal

billions of dollars they’re still normal people and they still love fans they

people and they still love fans they

people and they still love fans they love their fans so if you’re a fan you

love their fans so if you’re a fan you

love their fans so if you’re a fan you love them just go up and get selfies

love them just go up and get selfies

love them just go up and get selfies publish it on your website do something

publish it on your website do something

publish it on your website do something different do something again to stand

different do something again to stand

different do something again to stand out if

out if

out if you can get interviews with them and

you can get interviews with them and

you can get interviews with them and then you can build up a following you

then you can build up a following you

then you can build up a following you know I kind of think around this sport

know I kind of think around this sport

know I kind of think around this sport series it’s just like bloggers and

series it’s just like bloggers and

series it’s just like bloggers and vloggers they’ve come from nowhere in

vloggers they’ve come from nowhere in

vloggers they’ve come from nowhere in five years and now they’ve got massive

five years and now they’ve got massive

five years and now they’ve got massive followings that’s what you need to

followings that’s what you need to

followings that’s what you need to aspire to when I was 12 years old 12 and

aspire to when I was 12 years old 12 and

aspire to when I was 12 years old 12 and 13 the Blue Jays had won the World

13 the Blue Jays had won the World

13 the Blue Jays had won the World Series so they were like the height of

Series so they were like the height of

Series so they were like the height of baseball stardom and I would go to

baseball stardom and I would go to

baseball stardom and I would go to Florida I would they do their spring

Florida I would they do their spring

Florida I would they do their spring training that’s part of why I go to

training that’s part of why I go to

training that’s part of why I go to Orlando a year and I would sit in the

Orlando a year and I would sit in the

Orlando a year and I would sit in the parking lots as they showed up to spring

parking lots as they showed up to spring

parking lots as they showed up to spring training and and talk to them and take

training and and talk to them and take

training and and talk to them and take pictures with them we didn’t have

pictures with them we didn’t have

pictures with them we didn’t have cameras you know cell phone cameras back

cameras you know cell phone cameras back

cameras you know cell phone cameras back then but I would take pictures or get

then but I would take pictures or get

then but I would take pictures or get them to autograph their cards and

them to autograph their cards and

them to autograph their cards and baseballs and super coachable if you

baseballs and super coachable if you

baseballs and super coachable if you just likes even sadly put in the effort

just likes even sadly put in the effort

just likes even sadly put in the effort go out and and try to make contact with

go out and and try to make contact with

go out and and try to make contact with them it it’s a lot easier than you think

them it it’s a lot easier than you think

them it it’s a lot easier than you think and not many people are willing to put

and not many people are willing to put

and not many people are willing to put in the effort to go and do it Rishi I’ve

in the effort to go and do it Rishi I’ve

in the effort to go and do it Rishi I’ve been a Steven he’s back he’s back with a

been a Steven he’s back he’s back with a

been a Steven he’s back he’s back with a cup what’s one of the first ideas to

cup what’s one of the first ideas to

cup what’s one of the first ideas to make money from and what did you learn

make money from and what did you learn

make money from and what did you learn from that first idea I made money from

from that first idea I made money from

from that first idea I made money from was actually when I when I was about 16

was actually when I when I was about 16

was actually when I when I was about 16 I had about five different jobs and you

I had about five different jobs and you

I had about five different jobs and you know two in hotels we deliver papers but

know two in hotels we deliver papers but

know two in hotels we deliver papers but one of the ideas I made money from was

one of the ideas I made money from was

one of the ideas I made money from was actually with a hotel I took so I

actually with a hotel I took so I

actually with a hotel I took so I checked this out with the owner and they

checked this out with the owner and they

checked this out with the owner and they said some of the stuff that they didn’t

said some of the stuff that they didn’t

said some of the stuff that they didn’t actually in terms of the food and all

actually in terms of the food and all

actually in terms of the food and all the goodies that they had for their

the goodies that they had for their

the goodies that they had for their customers if they had a quiet season

customers if they had a quiet season

customers if they had a quiet season they said I was okay to just take out

they said I was okay to just take out

they said I was okay to just take out and if I could resell them that’s fine

and if I could resell them that’s fine

and if I could resell them that’s fine because otherwise they were just gonna

because otherwise they were just gonna

because otherwise they were just gonna throw it away so there’s little bit of

throw it away so there’s little bit of

throw it away so there’s little bit of market was a seaside town so we just set

market was a seaside town so we just set

market was a seaside town so we just set ourselves up on the seafront and just

ourselves up on the seafront and just

ourselves up on the seafront and just sell stuff and you know how about you

sell stuff and you know how about you

sell stuff and you know how about you you you create enough money to go on to

you you create enough money to go on to

you you create enough money to go on to the next idea so I just think it was

the next idea so I just think it was

the next idea so I just think it was allowed to get out there there’s loads

allowed to get out there there’s loads

allowed to get out there there’s loads of opportunities and for me personally

of opportunities and for me personally

of opportunities and for me personally at 16 that was a moment where I kind of

at 16 that was a moment where I kind of

at 16 that was a moment where I kind of knew it’s a great way did I do it well

knew it’s a great way did I do it well

knew it’s a great way did I do it well no it was our good salesman you know all

no it was our good salesman you know all

no it was our good salesman you know all these sort

these sort

these sort things but it’s a great start from that

things but it’s a great start from that

things but it’s a great start from that you know those little acorns great oak

you know those little acorns great oak

you know those little acorns great oak trees get formed I love it my very first

trees get formed I love it my very first

trees get formed I love it my very first business venture was when I was five I

business venture was when I was five I

business venture was when I was five I convinced my three-year-old little

convinced my three-year-old little

convinced my three-year-old little sister to to paint pictures with me and

sister to to paint pictures with me and

sister to to paint pictures with me and we went around the neighborhood and

we went around the neighborhood and

we went around the neighborhood and tried to sell them and we sold one to

tried to sell them and we sold one to

tried to sell them and we sold one to our neighbor for ten cents I had my

our neighbor for ten cents I had my

our neighbor for ten cents I had my first sale and I guess I just learned

first sale and I guess I just learned

first sale and I guess I just learned that from that you’ll create something

that from that you’ll create something

that from that you’ll create something and then go out in and market it and in

and then go out in and market it and in

and then go out in and market it and in all throughout school I had different

all throughout school I had different

all throughout school I had different businesses none of them ever did

businesses none of them ever did

businesses none of them ever did insanely well but you’re learning you’re

insanely well but you’re learning you’re

insanely well but you’re learning you’re getting the hustle skills you’re

getting the hustle skills you’re

getting the hustle skills you’re understanding the salesmanship I

understanding the salesmanship I

understanding the salesmanship I baseball cards I did for a long time

baseball cards I did for a long time

baseball cards I did for a long time throughout high school and at the end of

throughout high school and at the end of

throughout high school and at the end of grade school and I would make more money

grade school and I would make more money

grade school and I would make more money at a garage sale than the rest of my

at a garage sale than the rest of my

at a garage sale than the rest of my family combined and when they were

family combined and when they were

family combined and when they were selling couches and whatever I was

selling couches and whatever I was

selling couches and whatever I was seldom my baseball cards and they could

seldom my baseball cards and they could

seldom my baseball cards and they could understand how a piece of paper you know

understand how a piece of paper you know

understand how a piece of paper you know piece of cardboard would sell for $40 or

piece of cardboard would sell for $40 or

piece of cardboard would sell for $40 or $60 or $100 and how I was making more

$60 or $100 and how I was making more

$60 or $100 and how I was making more money than them at like 10 12 years old

money than them at like 10 12 years old

money than them at like 10 12 years old doing garage sales and so I think I

doing garage sales and so I think I

doing garage sales and so I think I think just taking idea I think as kids

think just taking idea I think as kids

think just taking idea I think as kids were willing to work may be willing to

were willing to work may be willing to

were willing to work may be willing to take more risk we’re willing to just try

take more risk we’re willing to just try

take more risk we’re willing to just try stuff we’re not as afraid of failure as

stuff we’re not as afraid of failure as

stuff we’re not as afraid of failure as when we get older and so yeah I’ll go

when we get older and so yeah I’ll go

when we get older and so yeah I’ll go dog knock door to door and ask somebody

dog knock door to door and ask somebody

dog knock door to door and ask somebody to try to sell my art but imagine doing

to try to sell my art but imagine doing

to try to sell my art but imagine doing that now people would have like a heart

that now people would have like a heart

that now people would have like a heart attack

attack

attack who would door to door some AR what if

who would door to door some AR what if

who would door to door some AR what if they rejected what if they don’t like it

they rejected what if they don’t like it

they rejected what if they don’t like it where I don’t know why that kind of that

where I don’t know why that kind of that

where I don’t know why that kind of that creativity in that self-confidence maybe

creativity in that self-confidence maybe

creativity in that self-confidence maybe or I guess as much as caring about other

or I guess as much as caring about other

or I guess as much as caring about other people’s opinions would that become so

people’s opinions would that become so

people’s opinions would that become so strong that it crushes our will and so I

strong that it crushes our will and so I

strong that it crushes our will and so I think as an entrepreneur you those are

think as an entrepreneur you those are

think as an entrepreneur you those are super important lessons we to learn

super important lessons we to learn

super important lessons we to learn young so that it was able to help me

young so that it was able to help me

young so that it was able to help me grow to the person I am now yeah and you

grow to the person I am now yeah and you

grow to the person I am now yeah and you get you know as and we’ve all had it we

get you know as and we’ve all had it we

get you know as and we’ve all had it we you get knocks you get people who say no

you get knocks you get people who say no

you get knocks you get people who say no you get people turn you crazy but that’s

you get people turn you crazy but that’s

you get people turn you crazy but that’s why you have to believe in your idea and

why you have to believe in your idea and

why you have to believe in your idea and that gives you such tremendous

that gives you such tremendous

that gives you such tremendous you you gotta have a few not to you know

you you gotta have a few not to you know

you you gotta have a few not to you know if you’re an actor or act or you go off

if you’re an actor or act or you go off

if you’re an actor or act or you go off and you do a thousand auditions you can

and you do a thousand auditions you can

and you do a thousand auditions you can probably get no callbacks but that gives

probably get no callbacks but that gives

probably get no callbacks but that gives you tremendous emotional resilience and

you tremendous emotional resilience and

you tremendous emotional resilience and and as entrepreneurs you know it’s not

and as entrepreneurs you know it’s not

and as entrepreneurs you know it’s not life’s not all sunshine it’s all about

life’s not all sunshine it’s all about

life’s not all sunshine it’s all about taking the knocks taking the punches

taking the knocks taking the punches

taking the knocks taking the punches being a ring with Mike Tyson getting

being a ring with Mike Tyson getting

being a ring with Mike Tyson getting thrown out onto the gangplanks getting

thrown out onto the gangplanks getting

thrown out onto the gangplanks getting back in there just getting out and

back in there just getting out and

back in there just getting out and believe in yourself believe in your idea

believe in yourself believe in your idea

believe in yourself believe in your idea and I think it’s kids actually you’re

and I think it’s kids actually you’re

and I think it’s kids actually you’re right Evan just there are way more

right Evan just there are way more

right Evan just there are way more emotional resilience because they just

emotional resilience because they just

emotional resilience because they just step back and they just just love it and

step back and they just just love it and

step back and they just just love it and they’re it’s fun and I think back to the

they’re it’s fun and I think back to the

they’re it’s fun and I think back to the business idea it’s always got to be fun

business idea it’s always got to be fun

business idea it’s always got to be fun so you’ve got your idea you believe in

so you’ve got your idea you believe in

so you’ve got your idea you believe in it you’re passionate about it it’s fun

it you’re passionate about it it’s fun

it you’re passionate about it it’s fun every day and when the fun goes out of

every day and when the fun goes out of

every day and when the fun goes out of it that’s when you need to change what

it that’s when you need to change what

it that’s when you need to change what you’re doing but one you’ve got fun

you’re doing but one you’ve got fun

you’re doing but one you’ve got fun you’ve got belief you’ve got tremendous

you’ve got belief you’ve got tremendous

you’ve got belief you’ve got tremendous emotional resilience and therefore you

emotional resilience and therefore you

emotional resilience and therefore you can absolutely be successful I love it

can absolutely be successful I love it

can absolutely be successful I love it that’s the shirt of the day this is the

that’s the shirt of the day this is the

that’s the shirt of the day this is the little man so it’s triumph over the

little man so it’s triumph over the

little man so it’s triumph over the little man and that the little man is

little man and that the little man is

little man and that the little man is the hater the hater who just is knocking

the hater the hater who just is knocking

the hater the hater who just is knocking on your business and telling you all the

on your business and telling you all the

on your business and telling you all the reasons why it’s not gonna work out and

reasons why it’s not gonna work out and

reasons why it’s not gonna work out and rise online was on this call designed

rise online was on this call designed

rise online was on this call designed this shirt so I like the message of the

this shirt so I like the message of the

this shirt so I like the message of the day trying for the little man it’s great

day trying for the little man it’s great

day trying for the little man it’s great see we’re already bumping up against the

see we’re already bumping up against the

see we’re already bumping up against the clock thank you so much for the time and

clock thank you so much for the time and

clock thank you so much for the time and you have a final message for the

you have a final message for the

you have a final message for the audience and maybe how they can reach

audience and maybe how they can reach

audience and maybe how they can reach you as well or how they can learn more

you as well or how they can learn more

you as well or how they can learn more about Sage yeah on Twitter is handle s

about Sage yeah on Twitter is handle s

about Sage yeah on Twitter is handle s Kelly see ya I kind of think the the

Kelly see ya I kind of think the the

Kelly see ya I kind of think the the thing we sort of always talk about is

thing we sort of always talk about is

thing we sort of always talk about is either and money I think the thing I’d

either and money I think the thing I’d

either and money I think the thing I’d leave you with is follow your dreams

leave you with is follow your dreams

leave you with is follow your dreams again come up with an idea where you’re

again come up with an idea where you’re

again come up with an idea where you’re really gonna really change the lives of

really gonna really change the lives of

really gonna really change the lives of people and think about how it does that

people and think about how it does that

people and think about how it does that for people and focus on the value and

for people and focus on the value and

for people and focus on the value and their money follows you know if you look

their money follows you know if you look

their money follows you know if you look at the branches you look at Oprah

at the branches you look at Oprah

at the branches you look at Oprah Winfrey all these great people they all

Winfrey all these great people they all

Winfrey all these great people they all say they never ever thought about making

say they never ever thought about making

say they never ever thought about making money they thought of the idea and they

money they thought of the idea and they

money they thought of the idea and they thought about how it changed the world

thought about how it changed the world

thought about how it changed the world and how it would make the world better

and how it would make the world better

and how it would make the world better for the community of people they serve

for the community of people they serve

for the community of people they serve and then obviously money follows that

and then obviously money follows that

and then obviously money follows that and

and

and and and you know comes back to the

and and you know comes back to the

and and you know comes back to the message evan gives every time is believe

message evan gives every time is believe

message evan gives every time is believe believe believe and beach hugely

believe believe and beach hugely

believe believe and beach hugely resilient because with the idea once you

resilient because with the idea once you

resilient because with the idea once you translate it you get a lot of momentum

translate it you get a lot of momentum

translate it you get a lot of momentum you’re gonna have a great business and

you’re gonna have a great business and

you’re gonna have a great business and you’re gonna be you’re gonna be

you’re gonna be you’re gonna be

you’re gonna be you’re gonna be absolutely celebrating your successes i

absolutely celebrating your successes i

absolutely celebrating your successes i love it will see would thank you so much

love it will see would thank you so much

love it will see would thank you so much for joining us again thank you all guys

for joining us again thank you all guys

for joining us again thank you all guys for watching and we will see you next

for watching and we will see you next

for watching and we will see you next month

month

month great step guys thanks very much thanks

great step guys thanks very much thanks

great step guys thanks very much thanks Evan

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