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Interview: Tim Flannery | National Geographic


you could imagine my career has been a

you could imagine my career has been a series of jumps from one thing into

series of jumps from one thing into

series of jumps from one thing into another but actually there is a common

another but actually there is a common

another but actually there is a common thread linking them all together and it

thread linking them all together and it

thread linking them all together and it started when I was a little boy growing

started when I was a little boy growing

started when I was a little boy growing up in Melbourne in southern Australia

up in Melbourne in southern Australia

up in Melbourne in southern Australia and Port Phillip Bay is is the the water

and Port Phillip Bay is is the the water

and Port Phillip Bay is is the the water body that the city’s on and it was a

body that the city’s on and it was a

body that the city’s on and it was a wonderful natural playground and I

wonderful natural playground and I

wonderful natural playground and I discovered at the age of about eight or

discovered at the age of about eight or

discovered at the age of about eight or nine that there were fossils in the bay

nine that there were fossils in the bay

nine that there were fossils in the bay that were the bones of Wales and and a

that were the bones of Wales and and a

that were the bones of Wales and and a fish and so forth that had lived six

fish and so forth that had lived six

fish and so forth that had lived six million years ago in an ancient Bay that

million years ago in an ancient Bay that

million years ago in an ancient Bay that had long since vanished and so it was

had long since vanished and so it was

had long since vanished and so it was wonderful to be diving in the bay with

wonderful to be diving in the bay with

wonderful to be diving in the bay with my snorkel and flippers finding these

my snorkel and flippers finding these

my snorkel and flippers finding these remains of the ancient Bay in it somehow

remains of the ancient Bay in it somehow

remains of the ancient Bay in it somehow fired my imagination to become a

fired my imagination to become a

fired my imagination to become a paleontologist and so for a while I

paleontologist and so for a while I

paleontologist and so for a while I studied paleontology and then practiced

studied paleontology and then practiced

studied paleontology and then practiced as a professional and then became

as a professional and then became

as a professional and then became interested in modern mammals and did

interested in modern mammals and did

interested in modern mammals and did that for a while that grew out of a

that for a while that grew out of a

that for a while that grew out of a paleontological interests

paleontological interests

paleontological interests when I was in my late 20s I discovered

when I was in my late 20s I discovered

when I was in my late 20s I discovered the island of New Guinea and it’s an

the island of New Guinea and it’s an

the island of New Guinea and it’s an extraordinary place with amazing

extraordinary place with amazing

extraordinary place with amazing biodiversity I initially went there

biodiversity I initially went there

biodiversity I initially went there really cause of a interest in

really cause of a interest in

really cause of a interest in paleontology in some ways the New Guinea

paleontology in some ways the New Guinea

paleontology in some ways the New Guinea and rainforests represent an ancient

and rainforests represent an ancient

and rainforests represent an ancient living relic of environments that

living relic of environments that

living relic of environments that prospered in Australia four or five

prospered in Australia four or five

prospered in Australia four or five million years ago but as I went there to

million years ago but as I went there to

million years ago but as I went there to study I realized that the modern form of

study I realized that the modern form of

study I realized that the modern form of New Guinea was very poorly documented

New Guinea was very poorly documented

New Guinea was very poorly documented and the very first mountaintop that I

and the very first mountaintop that I

and the very first mountaintop that I went to we discovered a gigantic rat

went to we discovered a gigantic rat

went to we discovered a gigantic rat nearly a meter long and a wallaby which

nearly a meter long and a wallaby which

nearly a meter long and a wallaby which was medium-sized animal both of which

was medium-sized animal both of which

was medium-sized animal both of which were unknown to science and so that

were unknown to science and so that

were unknown to science and so that fired my imagination it’s a very

fired my imagination it’s a very

fired my imagination it’s a very difficult environment to work in malaria

difficult environment to work in malaria

difficult environment to work in malaria is a major problem I’ve had arrows

is a major problem I’ve had arrows

is a major problem I’ve had arrows pointed at me in anger from tribal

pointed at me in anger from tribal

pointed at me in anger from tribal people it can be really tough at times

people it can be really tough at times

people it can be really tough at times but the rewards are simply enormous and

but the rewards are simply enormous and

but the rewards are simply enormous and I suppose the high point of my whole

I suppose the high point of my whole

I suppose the high point of my whole career in New Guinea was in 1994 when we

career in New Guinea was in 1994 when we

career in New Guinea was in 1994 when we discovered a kind of tree kangaroo which

discovered a kind of tree kangaroo which

discovered a kind of tree kangaroo which lived on the highest mountains in the

lived on the highest mountains in the

lived on the highest mountains in the island of New Guinea it lived above the

island of New Guinea it lived above the

island of New Guinea it lived above the tree line in this creature so it’s in

tree line in this creature so it’s in

tree line in this creature so it’s in the alpine herb fields and so forth so

the alpine herb fields and so forth so

the alpine herb fields and so forth so it’s a tree kangaroo that doesn’t live

it’s a tree kangaroo that doesn’t live

it’s a tree kangaroo that doesn’t live in trees and even more enigmatic sort of

in trees and even more enigmatic sort of

in trees and even more enigmatic sort of thing and you would stand about that why

thing and you would stand about that why

thing and you would stand about that why it’s probably the size of a Labrador

it’s probably the size of a Labrador

it’s probably the size of a Labrador that’s sort of sized animal but looks

that’s sort of sized animal but looks

that’s sort of sized animal but looks like a small panda black and white very

like a small panda black and white very

like a small panda black and white very dense fur a very time because it lives

dense fur a very time because it lives

dense fur a very time because it lives in a habitat where this very few people

in a habitat where this very few people

in a habitat where this very few people and to think that that most

and to think that that most

and to think that that most extraordinary kangaroo had survived

extraordinary kangaroo had survived

extraordinary kangaroo had survived until almost the end of the 20th century

until almost the end of the 20th century

until almost the end of the 20th century before had been discovered by science

before had been discovered by science

before had been discovered by science was a humbling experience wonderful

was a humbling experience wonderful

was a humbling experience wonderful experience some tree kangaroos are

experience some tree kangaroos are

experience some tree kangaroos are considered sacred the beliefs varied

considered sacred the beliefs varied

considered sacred the beliefs varied from place to place across the island

from place to place across the island

from place to place across the island but in the case of dingy so that large

but in the case of dingy so that large

but in the case of dingy so that large black and white animal that is

black and white animal that is

black and white animal that is considered sacred by the money people up

considered sacred by the money people up

considered sacred by the money people up in that area and they say that when they

in that area and they say that when they

in that area and they say that when they come across the animal it raises its

come across the animal it raises its

come across the animal it raises its hands in the air like that and whistles

hands in the air like that and whistles

hands in the air like that and whistles goes that sort of noise and they say

goes that sort of noise and they say

goes that sort of noise and they say that’s a recognition of kinship and that

that’s a recognition of kinship and that

that’s a recognition of kinship and that it is saying I’m your ancestor and they

it is saying I’m your ancestor and they

it is saying I’m your ancestor and they very much respect that they say that

very much respect that they say that

very much respect that they say that even their hunting dogs creep past on

even their hunting dogs creep past on

even their hunting dogs creep past on the ground because they don’t want to

the ground because they don’t want to

the ground because they don’t want to of the very August ancestor animal but

of the very August ancestor animal but

of the very August ancestor animal but you know as a biologist I know that tree

you know as a biologist I know that tree

you know as a biologist I know that tree kangaroos do that when they meet another

kangaroos do that when they meet another

kangaroos do that when they meet another tree kangaroo particularly males they

tree kangaroo particularly males they

tree kangaroo particularly males they protecting their territory and you know

protecting their territory and you know

protecting their territory and you know if you don’t move on you get scratched

if you don’t move on you get scratched

if you don’t move on you get scratched and the whistle presumably is a similar

and the whistle presumably is a similar

and the whistle presumably is a similar sort of a thing a territorial marker

working with the people of Papua New

working with the people of Papua New Guinea has been one of the greatest

Guinea has been one of the greatest

Guinea has been one of the greatest privileges of my life because I’m I’m a

privileges of my life because I’m I’m a

privileges of my life because I’m I’m a biologist I’m interested in nature and

biologist I’m interested in nature and

biologist I’m interested in nature and when you go into a village with those

when you go into a village with those

when you go into a village with those people and they start talking to you

people and they start talking to you

people and they start talking to you about nature you realize what you’re

about nature you realize what you’re

about nature you realize what you’re getting is not just that man’s life

getting is not just that man’s life

getting is not just that man’s life experience of a particular species but

experience of a particular species but

experience of a particular species but his father’s experience in his

his father’s experience in his

his father’s experience in his grandfather’s experience way way back

grandfather’s experience way way back

grandfather’s experience way way back being built on because the stories are

being built on because the stories are

being built on because the stories are told over and over again and the the

told over and over again and the the

told over and over again and the the best of the hunters in New Guinea are

best of the hunters in New Guinea are

best of the hunters in New Guinea are like walking encyclopedia of knowledge

like walking encyclopedia of knowledge

like walking encyclopedia of knowledge about natural systems now of course

about natural systems now of course

about natural systems now of course their culture is different in the way

their culture is different in the way

their culture is different in the way things are expressed is different and it

things are expressed is different and it

things are expressed is different and it often takes time to work your way

often takes time to work your way

often takes time to work your way through that and sometimes is very

through that and sometimes is very

through that and sometimes is very challenging that he knows religious

challenging that he knows religious

challenging that he knows religious because they’re very different from

because they’re very different from

because they’re very different from western lifestyle but nevertheless some

western lifestyle but nevertheless some

western lifestyle but nevertheless some it was one of the great privileges ever

it was one of the great privileges ever

it was one of the great privileges ever to to sit at the feet of those

to to sit at the feet of those

to to sit at the feet of those professors really and learn what they

professors really and learn what they

professors really and learn what they knew you know I should have understood

knew you know I should have understood

knew you know I should have understood the threat that climate change

the threat that climate change

the threat that climate change represents earlier than I did because

represents earlier than I did because

represents earlier than I did because when I was working in New Guinea through

when I was working in New Guinea through

when I was working in New Guinea through the 1980s and 90s every mountain summer

the 1980s and 90s every mountain summer

the 1980s and 90s every mountain summer I climbed I saw evidence of the tree

I climbed I saw evidence of the tree

I climbed I saw evidence of the tree line advancing so there was as good a

line advancing so there was as good a

line advancing so there was as good a fingerprint as you could have ever want

fingerprint as you could have ever want

fingerprint as you could have ever want to see of the warming of the planet you

to see of the warming of the planet you

to see of the warming of the planet you know because the tree lines he’ll grow

know because the tree lines he’ll grow

know because the tree lines he’ll grow it is by climatic constraint but it was

it is by climatic constraint but it was

it is by climatic constraint but it was only really when i finished my fieldwork

only really when i finished my fieldwork

only really when i finished my fieldwork and I’ve been at Harvard for a year came

and I’ve been at Harvard for a year came

and I’ve been at Harvard for a year came back to Australia and was asked to

back to Australia and was asked to

back to Australia and was asked to advise a state government on scientific

advise a state government on scientific

advise a state government on scientific issues that i SAT back and read the

issues that i SAT back and read the

issues that i SAT back and read the periodicals scientific periodicals for

periodicals scientific periodicals for

periodicals scientific periodicals for the last few years and realized that I

the last few years and realized that I

the last few years and realized that I had missed just what a major threat this

had missed just what a major threat this

had missed just what a major threat this climate issue was and it was at that

climate issue was and it was at that

climate issue was and it was at that moment I realized everything and I

moment I realized everything and I

moment I realized everything and I helped precious all of the biodiversity

helped precious all of the biodiversity

helped precious all of the biodiversity that the even perhaps the security of a

that the even perhaps the security of a

that the even perhaps the security of a civilization was under threat by this

civilization was under threat by this

civilization was under threat by this was then I decided to write a book about

was then I decided to write a book about

was then I decided to write a book about the problem and wrote the weather makers

the problem and wrote the weather makers

the problem and wrote the weather makers and since then I that’s been my life i

and since then I that’s been my life i

and since then I that’s been my life i guess i’ve been involved with the

guess i’ve been involved with the

guess i’ve been involved with the climate issue ever since

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