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so you might notice this is a little bit

so you might notice this is a little bit different format than what we’ve had

different format than what we’ve had

different format than what we’ve had throughout the rest of the conference

throughout the rest of the conference

throughout the rest of the conference and we wanted to kind of have a little

and we wanted to kind of have a little

and we wanted to kind of have a little bit more of an exchange between us

bit more of an exchange between us

bit more of an exchange between us around kind of some of the ideas that

around kind of some of the ideas that

around kind of some of the ideas that you know we’re shaping the the world at

you know we’re shaping the the world at

you know we’re shaping the the world at that time it’s kind of translate that

that time it’s kind of translate that

that time it’s kind of translate that into how it is affecting us all now so I

into how it is affecting us all now so I

into how it is affecting us all now so I guess my first question for you Leonard

guess my first question for you Leonard

guess my first question for you Leonard is that you know with the the Commodore

is that you know with the the Commodore

is that you know with the the Commodore pet which you worked on extensively and

pet which you worked on extensively and

pet which you worked on extensively and then later the vic-20 and the c64 and

then later the vic-20 and the c64 and

then later the vic-20 and the c64 and then later with Atari you know there was

then later with Atari you know there was

then later with Atari you know there was this huge explosion in the number of

this huge explosion in the number of

this huge explosion in the number of computers in the hands of people and

computers in the hands of people and

computers in the hands of people and that was really you know your father’s

that was really you know your father’s

that was really you know your father’s stated goal was how do we get this into

stated goal was how do we get this into

stated goal was how do we get this into as many hands as possible what effect do

as many hands as possible what effect do

as many hands as possible what effect do you think that had on that generation

you think that had on that generation

you think that had on that generation well it started an awful lot of careers

well it started an awful lot of careers

well it started an awful lot of careers I can’t imagine the number of people

I can’t imagine the number of people

I can’t imagine the number of people that have come up to me when they see my

that have come up to me when they see my

that have come up to me when they see my last name and go you started my career

last name and go you started my career

last name and go you started my career you gave me what became my life which is

you gave me what became my life which is

you gave me what became my life which is kind of a weird experience but yeah it

kind of a weird experience but yeah it

kind of a weird experience but yeah it there’s no question that personal

there’s no question that personal

there’s no question that personal computers would have happened without us

computers would have happened without us

computers would have happened without us but I don’t think there’s any question

but I don’t think there’s any question

but I don’t think there’s any question that there would been a lot fewer people

that there would been a lot fewer people

that there would been a lot fewer people with them as early as there were right

with them as early as there were right

with them as early as there were right right and I guess you know for folks

right and I guess you know for folks

right and I guess you know for folks that don’t know I mean one of the key

that don’t know I mean one of the key

that don’t know I mean one of the key developments was the creation of the

developments was the creation of the

developments was the creation of the 6502 microprocessor and if you didn’t

6502 microprocessor and if you didn’t

6502 microprocessor and if you didn’t know the 6502 is what powered the Apple

know the 6502 is what powered the Apple

know the 6502 is what powered the Apple 2 the Commodore 64 the Atari 8-bit

2 the Commodore 64 the Atari 8-bit

2 the Commodore 64 the Atari 8-bit computers a handful of others yeah

computers a handful of others yeah

computers a handful of others yeah including the Nintendo Entertainment

including the Nintendo Entertainment

including the Nintendo Entertainment System

System

System right exactly virtually everything at

right exactly virtually everything at

right exactly virtually everything at the time ran off for this one chip and I

the time ran off for this one chip and I

the time ran off for this one chip and I guess the interesting thing too is that

guess the interesting thing too is that

guess the interesting thing too is that your father acquired the company that

your father acquired the company that

your father acquired the company that created the 6502 right mas Tech so you

created the 6502 right mas Tech so you

created the 6502 right mas Tech so you know that gave them I guess a tremendous

know that gave them I guess a tremendous

know that gave them I guess a tremendous edge in terms of being able to pump out

edge in terms of being able to pump out

edge in terms of being able to pump out these chips and get them to a tremendous

these chips and get them to a tremendous

these chips and get them to a tremendous number of people yeah and it was

number of people yeah and it was

number of people yeah and it was completely accidental the so MOS

completely accidental the so MOS

completely accidental the so MOS technology

technology

technology made a couple of things at the time they

made a couple of things at the time they

made a couple of things at the time they my dad bought them because they produced

my dad bought them because they produced

my dad bought them because they produced calculator chips and there was a an

calculator chips and there was a an

calculator chips and there was a an interesting shakeout in the in the

interesting shakeout in the in the

interesting shakeout in the in the industry Texas Instrument supplied the

industry Texas Instrument supplied the

industry Texas Instrument supplied the calculator chips for virtually every

calculator chips for virtually every

calculator chips for virtually every calculator that we sold in the US I

calculator that we sold in the US I

calculator that we sold in the US I don’t think anyone out there probably

don’t think anyone out there probably

don’t think anyone out there probably remembers the boom our brain the first I

remembers the boom our brain the first I

remembers the boom our brain the first I see one hand probably more used to word

see one hand probably more used to word

see one hand probably more used to word it there

it there

it there excellent the so an incredibly

excellent the so an incredibly

excellent the so an incredibly successful line of of calculators and

successful line of of calculators and

successful line of of calculators and then Texas Instrument changed the

then Texas Instrument changed the

then Texas Instrument changed the pricing drove boom are almost instantly

pricing drove boom are almost instantly

pricing drove boom are almost instantly out of business

out of business

out of business mmm my father who was a Holocaust

mmm my father who was a Holocaust

mmm my father who was a Holocaust survivor tells the story or told the

survivor tells the story or told the

survivor tells the story or told the story that he wasn’t so ready to die yet

story that he wasn’t so ready to die yet

story that he wasn’t so ready to die yet so he found a company that made

so he found a company that made

so he found a company that made calculator chips and bought it and they

calculator chips and bought it and they

calculator chips and bought it and they also had this microprocessor and the guy

also had this microprocessor and the guy

also had this microprocessor and the guy that designed that wanted to make

that designed that wanted to make

that designed that wanted to make personal computers so yeah what I’m you

personal computers so yeah what I’m you

personal computers so yeah what I’m you know a total coincidence and a meeting

know a total coincidence and a meeting

know a total coincidence and a meeting of the mind so that would have been

of the mind so that would have been

of the mind so that would have been trucked pedal I guess yeah yeah so you

trucked pedal I guess yeah yeah so you

trucked pedal I guess yeah yeah so you know here you have this processor that

know here you have this processor that

know here you have this processor that for its day was an incredibly advanced

for its day was an incredibly advanced

for its day was an incredibly advanced processor compared to say the z80 and

processor compared to say the z80 and

processor compared to say the z80 and you know in terms of like the amount of

you know in terms of like the amount of

you know in terms of like the amount of raw power sort of packed into a small

raw power sort of packed into a small

raw power sort of packed into a small die I guess the the the power per dollar

die I guess the the the power per dollar

die I guess the the the power per dollar right is where it absolutely excelled

right is where it absolutely excelled

right is where it absolutely excelled and they were selling them for like

and they were selling them for like

and they were selling them for like twenty twenty-five dollars something

twenty twenty-five dollars something

twenty twenty-five dollars something like that you have to like hobbyists and

like that you have to like hobbyists and

like that you have to like hobbyists and stuff and so this was incredible the

stuff and so this was incredible the

stuff and so this was incredible the notion that you could suddenly get a

notion that you could suddenly get a

notion that you could suddenly get a computer chip that would you know enable

computer chip that would you know enable

computer chip that would you know enable you to build effectively a whole home

you to build effectively a whole home

you to build effectively a whole home computer from mostly one chip it’s right

computer from mostly one chip it’s right

computer from mostly one chip it’s right it’s pretty incredible so that was what

it’s pretty incredible so that was what

it’s pretty incredible so that was what inspired Steve Wozniak and you know the

inspired Steve Wozniak and you know the

inspired Steve Wozniak and you know the other creators of these 6502 based

other creators of these 6502 based

other creators of these 6502 based machines to you know really see that

machines to you know really see that

machines to you know really see that there was a possibility of getting it

there was a possibility of getting it

there was a possibility of getting it into the hands of a lot of people yeah

into the hands of a lot of people yeah

into the hands of a lot of people yeah so tell me you know you were trained in

so tell me you know you were trained in

so tell me you know you were trained in astrophysics but also have a disability

astrophysics but also have a disability

astrophysics but also have a disability for computing and computers and you know

for computing and computers and you know

for computing and computers and you know you seem also to be really driven to you

you seem also to be really driven to you

you seem also to be really driven to you know educate people about science and

know educate people about science and

know educate people about science and critical thinking how do you see all

critical thinking how do you see all

critical thinking how do you see all those things as interrelated

those things as interrelated

those things as interrelated [Music]

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[Music] well computers are the the tools of

well computers are the the tools of

well computers are the the tools of science it’s really hard to get a degree

science it’s really hard to get a degree

science it’s really hard to get a degree in science these days or even back in

in science these days or even back in

in science these days or even back in the in the ancient past when I did

the in the ancient past when I did

the in the ancient past when I did without doing a lot of computer work so

without doing a lot of computer work so

without doing a lot of computer work so those are intimately connected and then

those are intimately connected and then

those are intimately connected and then as Carl Sagan said we have a culture

as Carl Sagan said we have a culture

as Carl Sagan said we have a culture that is exquisitely based on science and

that is exquisitely based on science and

that is exquisitely based on science and technology and a populace that knows

technology and a populace that knows

technology and a populace that knows almost nothing about science and

almost nothing about science and

almost nothing about science and technology and I think he said something

technology and I think he said something

technology and I think he said something along the lines of we might survive that

along the lines of we might survive that

along the lines of we might survive that way for a while but the combustible

way for a while but the combustible

way for a while but the combustible mixture of power and ignorance will blow

mixture of power and ignorance will blow

mixture of power and ignorance will blow up in our faces yeah I think that’s kind

up in our faces yeah I think that’s kind

up in our faces yeah I think that’s kind of a description of 2016 I’m not sure if

of a description of 2016 I’m not sure if

of a description of 2016 I’m not sure if that was what he had in mind but we’re

that was what he had in mind but we’re

that was what he had in mind but we’re getting there if not we’re getting there

getting there if not we’re getting there

getting there if not we’re getting there so question that we had discussed

so question that we had discussed

so question that we had discussed earlier and I think the audience would

earlier and I think the audience would

earlier and I think the audience would like to hear about is the idea of should

like to hear about is the idea of should

like to hear about is the idea of should everyone learn to code that certainly is

everyone learn to code that certainly is

everyone learn to code that certainly is something that we keep hearing right now

something that we keep hearing right now

something that we keep hearing right now is learn to code learn to code what do

is learn to code learn to code what do

is learn to code learn to code what do you think that’s an easy one I don’t

you think that’s an easy one I don’t

you think that’s an easy one I don’t know it’s the I think the world would be

know it’s the I think the world would be

know it’s the I think the world would be an enormous ly better place if everyone

an enormous ly better place if everyone

an enormous ly better place if everyone had the humbling psychological

had the humbling psychological

had the humbling psychological experience of trying to make a computer

experience of trying to make a computer

experience of trying to make a computer do exactly what the heck you want it to

do exactly what the heck you want it to

do exactly what the heck you want it to do because they’re incredibly literal

do because they’re incredibly literal

do because they’re incredibly literal and unless you have very carefully

and unless you have very carefully

and unless you have very carefully thought things through it’s not gonna

thought things through it’s not gonna

thought things through it’s not gonna work and that’s so it’s a wonderful

work and that’s so it’s a wonderful

work and that’s so it’s a wonderful intellectual exercise and and it would

intellectual exercise and and it would

intellectual exercise and and it would be good if if people had that but I

be good if if people had that but I

be good if if people had that but I don’t know if that’s possible I don’t

don’t know if that’s possible I don’t

don’t know if that’s possible I don’t know what percentage of people will

know what percentage of people will

know what percentage of people will actually get there at some level I think

actually get there at some level I think

actually get there at some level I think it should be done like art and music

it should be done like art and music

it should be done like art and music education was used to be done people

education was used to be done people

education was used to be done people didn’t go to our class because they were

didn’t go to our class because they were

didn’t go to our class because they were going to become artists they went

going to become artists they went

going to become artists they went because they were going to be

because they were going to be

because they were going to be knowledgeable about what art was and why

knowledgeable about what art was and why

knowledgeable about what art was and why it was important

it was important

it was important and what art could do for culture at

and what art could do for culture at

and what art could do for culture at some level I think we should teach not

some level I think we should teach not

some level I think we should teach not only computers but math and science that

only computers but math and science that

only computers but math and science that way so people actually understand why

way so people actually understand why

way so people actually understand why math and science are beautiful and why

math and science are beautiful and why

math and science are beautiful and why they’re useful as opposed to how many

they’re useful as opposed to how many

they’re useful as opposed to how many loops in a block and tackle it takes to

loops in a block and tackle it takes to

loops in a block and tackle it takes to lift a certain number of pounds which

lift a certain number of pounds which

lift a certain number of pounds which isn’t always that fun yeah and we were

isn’t always that fun yeah and we were

isn’t always that fun yeah and we were talking about the idea of appreciating

talking about the idea of appreciating

talking about the idea of appreciating beauty and the idea of like appreciating

beauty and the idea of like appreciating

beauty and the idea of like appreciating a beautiful mathematical proof and yeah

a beautiful mathematical proof and yeah

a beautiful mathematical proof and yeah how that seems to be something that’s

how that seems to be something that’s

how that seems to be something that’s lost on a big chunk of the culture yeah

lost on a big chunk of the culture yeah

lost on a big chunk of the culture yeah I

I

I it’s some level I think it’s because the

it’s some level I think it’s because the

it’s some level I think it’s because the first introduction most people get to

first introduction most people get to

first introduction most people get to math is unavoidably in elementary school

math is unavoidably in elementary school

math is unavoidably in elementary school and very few elementary school teachers

and very few elementary school teachers

and very few elementary school teachers or math experts and they don’t feel the

or math experts and they don’t feel the

or math experts and they don’t feel the as Bertrand Russell called it the cold

as Bertrand Russell called it the cold

as Bertrand Russell called it the cold austere beauty of mathematics right

austere beauty of mathematics right

austere beauty of mathematics right ourselves can’t kind of convey it the

ourselves can’t kind of convey it the

ourselves can’t kind of convey it the cold austere beauty of mathematics is

cold austere beauty of mathematics is

cold austere beauty of mathematics is not a joke it’s a it’s a it’s a real

not a joke it’s a it’s a it’s a real

not a joke it’s a it’s a it’s a real thing and it’s a I can’t tell why you’re

thing and it’s a I can’t tell why you’re

thing and it’s a I can’t tell why you’re laughing that’s the but if you could I’m

laughing that’s the but if you could I’m

laughing that’s the but if you could I’m sure that as a percentage of you that

sure that as a percentage of you that

sure that as a percentage of you that are nodding your head and going yeah

are nodding your head and going yeah

are nodding your head and going yeah it’s really beautiful

it’s really beautiful

it’s really beautiful and there’s another almost certainly

and there’s another almost certainly

and there’s another almost certainly larger percentage going what is he

larger percentage going what is he

larger percentage going what is he talking about but there’s there’s

talking about but there’s there’s

talking about but there’s there’s something there that would make

something there that would make

something there that would make everyone’s life better right right now

everyone’s life better right right now

everyone’s life better right right now you were a peer of Steve Jobs you knew

you were a peer of Steve Jobs you knew

you were a peer of Steve Jobs you knew Steve I wondered if you had a favorite

Steve I wondered if you had a favorite

Steve I wondered if you had a favorite Steve story first time I met him was at

Steve story first time I met him was at

Steve story first time I met him was at a at a pool party at Chuck paddles house

a at a pool party at Chuck paddles house

a at a pool party at Chuck paddles house and Steve had arrived on his brand-new

and Steve had arrived on his brand-new

and Steve had arrived on his brand-new BMW motorcycle and all he would talk

BMW motorcycle and all he would talk

BMW motorcycle and all he would talk about was the elegance of BMW shaft

about was the elegance of BMW shaft

about was the elegance of BMW shaft drive motorcycles as opposed to everyone

drive motorcycles as opposed to everyone

drive motorcycles as opposed to everyone else

else

else is ridiculous chain drive and the the

is ridiculous chain drive and the the

is ridiculous chain drive and the the drive he had no pun intended for

drive he had no pun intended for

drive he had no pun intended for elegance and how design needs to be

elegance and how design needs to be

elegance and how design needs to be beautiful and functional and maximize

beautiful and functional and maximize

beautiful and functional and maximize those two together seem to be something

those two together seem to be something

those two together seem to be something that really drove him well and we

that really drove him well and we

that really drove him well and we certainly saw that later on and and the

certainly saw that later on and and the

certainly saw that later on and and the idea of something precision milled seems

idea of something precision milled seems

idea of something precision milled seems very Steve yeah yeah you know so I’m

very Steve yeah yeah you know so I’m

very Steve yeah yeah you know so I’m gonna bring up a anecdote from the fall

gonna bring up a anecdote from the fall

gonna bring up a anecdote from the fall of 1990 so we’re gonna go back a time I

of 1990 so we’re gonna go back a time I

of 1990 so we’re gonna go back a time I had written a piece about a Nestea book

had written a piece about a Nestea book

had written a piece about a Nestea book which was a laptop that you guys had

which was a laptop that you guys had

which was a laptop that you guys had designed and I was lamenting the

designed and I was lamenting the

designed and I was lamenting the omission of a floppy disk drive in this

omission of a floppy disk drive in this

omission of a floppy disk drive in this machine because at that time to me then

machine because at that time to me then

machine because at that time to me then it seemed very important and you called

it seemed very important and you called

it seemed very important and you called me up on the phone and said what are you

me up on the phone and said what are you

me up on the phone and said what are you doing you don’t know what you’re talking

doing you don’t know what you’re talking

doing you don’t know what you’re talking about this thing doesn’t need a disk

about this thing doesn’t need a disk

about this thing doesn’t need a disk drive do you remember this at all no

that’s why I save it so now I’m sorry

that’s why I save it so now I’m sorry it’s quite all right you were right I

it’s quite all right you were right I

it’s quite all right you were right I mean looking back on it I mean come on

mean looking back on it I mean come on

mean looking back on it I mean come on you know we see now with the removal of

you know we see now with the removal of

you know we see now with the removal of the headphone jack and everything you

the headphone jack and everything you

the headphone jack and everything you know like it also didn’t go over well no

know like it also didn’t go over well no

know like it also didn’t go over well no it didn’t go over well but I suspect

it didn’t go over well but I suspect

it didn’t go over well but I suspect that you know looking back on it in few

that you know looking back on it in few

that you know looking back on it in few years we’re not going to worry too much

years we’re not going to worry too much

years we’re not going to worry too much about that so right I guess it’s

about that so right I guess it’s

about that so right I guess it’s interesting like looking back on that

interesting like looking back on that

interesting like looking back on that kind of an incident it’s funny now you

kind of an incident it’s funny now you

kind of an incident it’s funny now you know to have you call me oh because at

know to have you call me oh because at

know to have you call me oh because at the time I think I was all of 21 and you

the time I think I was all of 21 and you

the time I think I was all of 21 and you know like it’s interesting you know we

know like it’s interesting you know we

know like it’s interesting you know we sometimes lament you know like oh these

sometimes lament you know like oh these

sometimes lament you know like oh these changes in technology and why are they

changes in technology and why are they

changes in technology and why are they taking out these features but it does

taking out these features but it does

taking out these features but it does move forward and sometimes the right

move forward and sometimes the right

move forward and sometimes the right answer is to take stuff out so

answer is to take stuff out so

answer is to take stuff out so simplicity can be good yes exactly now

simplicity can be good yes exactly now

simplicity can be good yes exactly now on that score I have to ask you you know

on that score I have to ask you you know

on that score I have to ask you you know back in the day the big question was

back in the day the big question was

back in the day the big question was Commodore Atari you know Amiga you know

Commodore Atari you know Amiga you know

Commodore Atari you know Amiga you know whatever iPhone or Android

I will thing I will plead ignorance I

I will thing I will plead ignorance I don’t know enough about the Android my

don’t know enough about the Android my

don’t know enough about the Android my my older son is a technology junkie I

my older son is a technology junkie I

my older son is a technology junkie I have no idea where he would have gotten

have no idea where he would have gotten

have no idea where he would have gotten that

that

that entity but he has had an iPhone from I

entity but he has had an iPhone from I

entity but he has had an iPhone from I may be the first model as soon as they

may be the first model as soon as they

may be the first model as soon as they came out so I get his hand me downs oh I

came out so I get his hand me downs oh I

came out so I get his hand me downs oh I see it was huh so so you get it you just

see it was huh so so you get it you just

see it was huh so so you get it you just get whatever gets in I always have you

get whatever gets in I always have you

get whatever gets in I always have you know one or two generations back so you

know one or two generations back so you

know one or two generations back so you know I’ve got the seven plus I’m

know I’ve got the seven plus I’m

know I’ve got the seven plus I’m thinking you’ve got maybe a six I got a

thinking you’ve got maybe a six I got a

thinking you’ve got maybe a six I got a sick it’s a six yeah yeah there we go

sick it’s a six yeah yeah there we go

sick it’s a six yeah yeah there we go yeah so same side yeah it’s but note but

yeah so same side yeah it’s but note but

yeah so same side yeah it’s but note but note that no headphone jack so yeah but

note that no headphone jack so yeah but

note that no headphone jack so yeah but yes I don’t know enough about the

yes I don’t know enough about the

yes I don’t know enough about the Android everything I know it says it’s a

Android everything I know it says it’s a

Android everything I know it says it’s a they’re great phones but I I don’t have

they’re great phones but I I don’t have

they’re great phones but I I don’t have any personal experience gotcha

any personal experience gotcha

any personal experience gotcha yeah I it’s for those that don’t know I

yeah I it’s for those that don’t know I

yeah I it’s for those that don’t know I started a computer sales company as a

started a computer sales company as a

started a computer sales company as a teenager and I actually sold computers

teenager and I actually sold computers

teenager and I actually sold computers manufactured by the Tramel family for

manufactured by the Tramel family for

manufactured by the Tramel family for many years

many years

many years and went on to you know be one of the

and went on to you know be one of the

and went on to you know be one of the larger Atari dealers in the United

larger Atari dealers in the United

larger Atari dealers in the United States in the early 90s so this is kind

States in the early 90s so this is kind

States in the early 90s so this is kind of all coming for us full circle for me

of all coming for us full circle for me

of all coming for us full circle for me and we were excited to be able to bring

and we were excited to be able to bring

and we were excited to be able to bring Leonard here so my final question for

Leonard here so my final question for

Leonard here so my final question for you is are you optimistic about

you is are you optimistic about

you is are you optimistic about societies to kind of ability to increase

societies to kind of ability to increase

societies to kind of ability to increase its ability for critical thinking it

its ability for critical thinking it

its ability for critical thinking it seems like that’s something that is

seems like that’s something that is

seems like that’s something that is maybe missing right now and what do you

maybe missing right now and what do you

maybe missing right now and what do you think if you look at a lot of the talks

think if you look at a lot of the talks

think if you look at a lot of the talks that we’ve heard over the last day and a

that we’ve heard over the last day and a

that we’ve heard over the last day and a half many of those problems are the

half many of those problems are the

half many of those problems are the result of insufficient critical thinking

result of insufficient critical thinking

result of insufficient critical thinking understanding why these people make

understanding why these people make

understanding why these people make mistakes understanding what it is about

mistakes understanding what it is about

mistakes understanding what it is about the way human cognition works i I’m I’m

the way human cognition works i I’m I’m

the way human cognition works i I’m I’m optimistic because I’m involved in

optimistic because I’m involved in

optimistic because I’m involved in trying to fix that there are a couple of

trying to fix that there are a couple of

trying to fix that there are a couple of organizations that I’m involved with

organizations that I’m involved with

organizations that I’m involved with that actually actively promote these

that actually actively promote these

that actually actively promote these things and if we don’t get it right

things and if we don’t get it right

things and if we don’t get it right we’re all dead anyway so right it’ll be

we’re all dead anyway so right it’ll be

we’re all dead anyway so right it’ll be fine it’ll be fine

fine it’ll be fine

fine it’ll be fine yeah exactly alright well you know

yeah exactly alright well you know

yeah exactly alright well you know hopefully we managed to heal ourselves

hopefully we managed to heal ourselves

hopefully we managed to heal ourselves with this problem and I can’t thank you

with this problem and I can’t thank you

with this problem and I can’t thank you enough for coming if you want to check

enough for coming if you want to check

enough for coming if you want to check out the film I believe the website is

out the film I believe the website is

out the film I believe the website is 8-bit generation comm I believe that

8-bit generation comm I believe that

8-bit generation comm I believe that it’s there’s a Kickstarter for some

it’s there’s a Kickstarter for some

it’s there’s a Kickstarter for some other films in the series and you know

other films in the series and you know

other films in the series and you know check it

check it

check it it’s worth educating yourself on the

it’s worth educating yourself on the

it’s worth educating yourself on the subject I think you know with all the

subject I think you know with all the

subject I think you know with all the things going on with Raspberry Pi and

things going on with Raspberry Pi and

things going on with Raspberry Pi and whatnot right now we’re kind of going

whatnot right now we’re kind of going

whatnot right now we’re kind of going through another wave of this but it’s a

through another wave of this but it’s a

through another wave of this but it’s a little different so you know check that

little different so you know check that

little different so you know check that stuff out and learn what what this man’s

stuff out and learn what what this man’s

stuff out and learn what what this man’s incredible family has accomplished it’s

incredible family has accomplished it’s

incredible family has accomplished it’s worth worth learning about so thank you

worth worth learning about so thank you

worth worth learning about so thank you again thank you much you’re very welcome

again thank you much you’re very welcome

again thank you much you’re very welcome [Applause]

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