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the refugee process first let’s look at

the refugee process first let’s look at it who is a refugee a refugee is someone

it who is a refugee a refugee is someone

it who is a refugee a refugee is someone who flees his or her country because of

who flees his or her country because of

who flees his or her country because of persecution because of violence and

persecution because of violence and

persecution because of violence and because of war the United States of

because of war the United States of

because of war the United States of America has the strongest vetting

America has the strongest vetting

America has the strongest vetting process in the world I will give you an

process in the world I will give you an

process in the world I will give you an insight of that process the process I

insight of that process the process I

insight of that process the process I went through when an individual flees

went through when an individual flees

went through when an individual flees his country he goes he or she goes to a

his country he goes he or she goes to a

his country he goes he or she goes to a nother country that country is

nother country that country is

nother country that country is considered the secondary country when

considered the secondary country when

considered the secondary country when they get into the secondary country they

they get into the secondary country they

they get into the secondary country they will have to register with the United

will have to register with the United

will have to register with the United Nations High Commission for Refugees

Nations High Commission for Refugees

Nations High Commission for Refugees UNHCR when they register with the UN the

UNHCR when they register with the UN the

UNHCR when they register with the UN the UN will have to obtain all the

UN will have to obtain all the

UN will have to obtain all the identifying biometrics the UN will get

identifying biometrics the UN will get

identifying biometrics the UN will get the bio-data that UN will interview them

the bio-data that UN will interview them

the bio-data that UN will interview them and of all the refugees that will go

and of all the refugees that will go

and of all the refugees that will go through that process

through that process

through that process less than 1% will come to the United

less than 1% will come to the United

less than 1% will come to the United States lucky me

States lucky me

States lucky me and only the strongest applicants will

and only the strongest applicants will

and only the strongest applicants will move forward to the various agencies of

move forward to the various agencies of

move forward to the various agencies of the United States government those

the United States government those

the United States government those agencies are the National

agencies are the National

agencies are the National Counterterrorism Center that’s the first

Counterterrorism Center that’s the first

Counterterrorism Center that’s the first agency the refugee will go and get

agency the refugee will go and get

agency the refugee will go and get interview by the officials of that

interview by the officials of that

interview by the officials of that Center they are specific to the area all

Center they are specific to the area all

Center they are specific to the area all the enquiries all the interviews will be

the enquiries all the interviews will be

the enquiries all the interviews will be specific to that area should their booth

specific to that area should their booth

specific to that area should their booth should they pass the screening they will

should they pass the screening they will

should they pass the screening they will move to the FBI the FBI will also be

move to the FBI the FBI will also be

move to the FBI the FBI will also be very specific and they’re lucky and go

very specific and they’re lucky and go

very specific and they’re lucky and go beyond that they go over to the

beyond that they go over to the

beyond that they go over to the Department of Homeland Security they

Department of Homeland Security they

Department of Homeland Security they will also do their screenings their

will also do their screenings their

will also do their screenings their interviews their biometrics their data

interviews their biometrics their data

interviews their biometrics their data whatever it is

after Homeland Security they will go to

after Homeland Security they will go to the State Department the State

the State Department the State

the State Department the State Department will conduct their interviews

Department will conduct their interviews

Department will conduct their interviews and their security checks after the

and their security checks after the

and their security checks after the State Department you go back to the

State Department you go back to the

State Department you go back to the Homeland Security but this time you’ll

Homeland Security but this time you’ll

Homeland Security but this time you’ll be interviewing with USCIS United States

be interviewing with USCIS United States

be interviewing with USCIS United States Immigration Services and they will

Immigration Services and they will

Immigration Services and they will interview you and go through their

interview you and go through their

interview you and go through their security checks and if you’re lucky then

security checks and if you’re lucky then

security checks and if you’re lucky then you go through medical and it’s grueling

after medical you go through what we

after medical you go through what we call the cultural orientation that is

call the cultural orientation that is

call the cultural orientation that is you’re almost there you almost able to

you’re almost there you almost able to

you’re almost there you almost able to come to the United States this process

come to the United States this process

come to the United States this process can take anywhere from eighteen months

can take anywhere from eighteen months

can take anywhere from eighteen months to two decades after you go through the

to two decades after you go through the

to two decades after you go through the culture orientation you have a final

culture orientation you have a final

culture orientation you have a final screening to go through and prior to

screening to go through and prior to

screening to go through and prior to coming to the u.s. that final screening

coming to the u.s. that final screening

coming to the u.s. that final screening will go will be done will be conducted

will go will be done will be conducted

will go will be done will be conducted by the US Customs and Border Protection

by the US Customs and Border Protection

by the US Customs and Border Protection national targeting center what is that

national targeting center what is that

national targeting center what is that have you all heard about it yeah

have you all heard about it yeah

have you all heard about it yeah refugees will have to go through that

refugees will have to go through that

refugees will have to go through that after all of that I’ll be honest with

after all of that I’ll be honest with

after all of that I’ll be honest with you with all the culture orientation and

you with all the culture orientation and

you with all the culture orientation and all it never prepared me for coming to

all it never prepared me for coming to

all it never prepared me for coming to Montana never did

Montana never did

Montana never did cuz I came here in February February 17

cuz I came here in February February 17

cuz I came here in February February 17 will make me 23 years here all of those

will make me 23 years here all of those

will make me 23 years here all of those the screening processes I just mentioned

the screening processes I just mentioned

the screening processes I just mentioned happen outside of the US in that

happen outside of the US in that

happen outside of the US in that secondary country that you fled to so

secondary country that you fled to so

secondary country that you fled to so none of it happens within here so it

none of it happens within here so it

none of it happens within here so it took me two years and seven months to go

took me two years and seven months to go

took me two years and seven months to go through my process and I thought that

through my process and I thought that

through my process and I thought that was terrible that was wrong they kept me

was terrible that was wrong they kept me

was terrible that was wrong they kept me away from my family’s for two years and

away from my family’s for two years and

away from my family’s for two years and seven months but guess what

seven months but guess what

seven months but guess what that was nothing

that was nothing

that was nothing I just learned if another guy who

I just learned if another guy who

I just learned if another guy who started the process at age 17 he finally

started the process at age 17 he finally

started the process at age 17 he finally came to the US last year at age 34 do

came to the US last year at age 34 do

came to the US last year at age 34 do you want to talk about extreme vetting

you want to talk about extreme vetting

you want to talk about extreme vetting 17 years of vetting which one of you are

17 years of vetting which one of you are

17 years of vetting which one of you are ready to go through that process there

ready to go through that process there

ready to go through that process there are other programs the u.s. that that we

are other programs the u.s. that that we

are other programs the u.s. that that we should be focusing on instead we don’t

should be focusing on instead we don’t

should be focusing on instead we don’t we focus only on and it’s been I don’t

we focus only on and it’s been I don’t

we focus only on and it’s been I don’t know why it’s been this way but there

know why it’s been this way but there

know why it’s been this way but there isn’t any evidence of refugees

isn’t any evidence of refugees

isn’t any evidence of refugees committing terrorism not one not in the

committing terrorism not one not in the

committing terrorism not one not in the US whenever you hear people talk about

US whenever you hear people talk about

US whenever you hear people talk about terrorism and refugee to always give you

terrorism and refugee to always give you

terrorism and refugee to always give you an example of where Europe the u.s. is

an example of where Europe the u.s. is

an example of where Europe the u.s. is not Europe the US has her own screening

not Europe the US has her own screening

not Europe the US has her own screening process vetting process that she puts

process vetting process that she puts

process vetting process that she puts her people through Europe has their own

there are several myths that we go

there are several myths that we go through you know I hear all the time one

through you know I hear all the time one

through you know I hear all the time one of them is refugees don’t pay taxes are

of them is refugees don’t pay taxes are

of them is refugees don’t pay taxes are you telling me I lived in Montana for 23

you telling me I lived in Montana for 23

you telling me I lived in Montana for 23 years and didn’t pay taxes there pay

years and didn’t pay taxes there pay

years and didn’t pay taxes there pay taxes refugees take jobs from US workers

taxes refugees take jobs from US workers

taxes refugees take jobs from US workers is that real did I take anybody’s job

is that real did I take anybody’s job

is that real did I take anybody’s job since I’ve been in this country for 23

since I’ve been in this country for 23

since I’ve been in this country for 23 years I’ve never had less than two jobs

that means that there are lots of jobs

that means that there are lots of jobs for everybody

refugees receives special money from the

refugees receives special money from the US government to purchase homes and cars

US government to purchase homes and cars

US government to purchase homes and cars and all where is mine I’ve been waiting

and all where is mine I’ve been waiting

and all where is mine I’ve been waiting for mine for 23 years when I fled but we

for mine for 23 years when I fled but we

for mine for 23 years when I fled but we fled Liberia into Montana

fled Liberia into Montana

fled Liberia into Montana two weeks later I started my first job

two weeks later I started my first job

two weeks later I started my first job with Intermountain Children’s Home I

with Intermountain Children’s Home I

with Intermountain Children’s Home I didn’t even have time to get my feet wet

didn’t even have time to get my feet wet

didn’t even have time to get my feet wet I was up and moving and my situation

I was up and moving and my situation

I was up and moving and my situation it’s not unique

it’s not unique

it’s not unique another one that the refugees come to

another one that the refugees come to

another one that the refugees come to the US for economic reasons No what did

the US for economic reasons No what did

the US for economic reasons No what did I say about the definition of a refugee

I say about the definition of a refugee

I say about the definition of a refugee the first thing on their mind is safety

the first thing on their mind is safety

the first thing on their mind is safety they are flee for safety not to get rich

they are flee for safety not to get rich

they are flee for safety not to get rich when I fled Liberia 1994 when I entered

when I fled Liberia 1994 when I entered

when I fled Liberia 1994 when I entered this country and arrived at JFK Airport

this country and arrived at JFK Airport

this country and arrived at JFK Airport I had 25 cents in my pocket it wasn’t

I had 25 cents in my pocket it wasn’t

I had 25 cents in my pocket it wasn’t enough

enough

enough for a phone call I couldn’t even call my

for a phone call I couldn’t even call my

for a phone call I couldn’t even call my wife to tell her hey I’m in America so

wife to tell her hey I’m in America so

wife to tell her hey I’m in America so no if we were here for economic reasons

no if we were here for economic reasons

no if we were here for economic reasons I’m supposed to be rich right now

I’m supposed to be rich right now

I’m supposed to be rich right now because I’ve been here 23 years what am

because I’ve been here 23 years what am

because I’ve been here 23 years what am I waiting on

refugees do not contribute or

refugees do not contribute or participate in the communities where am

participate in the communities where am

participate in the communities where am i today is this not part of my community

i today is this not part of my community

i today is this not part of my community Grand Street

Grand Street

Grand Street it’s TEDx not part of my community am I

it’s TEDx not part of my community am I

it’s TEDx not part of my community am I not participating we do all of those

not participating we do all of those

not participating we do all of those things and of course refugees present

things and of course refugees present

things and of course refugees present health risk after going through the

health risk after going through the

health risk after going through the health screening you don’t want to know

health screening you don’t want to know

health screening you don’t want to know what we go through every part of you is

what we go through every part of you is

what we go through every part of you is screen look I’m from a country Liberia

screen look I’m from a country Liberia

screen look I’m from a country Liberia like there’s a small West African

like there’s a small West African

like there’s a small West African country it was established by slaves

country it was established by slaves

country it was established by slaves that were free from this country and

that were free from this country and

that were free from this country and sent back to Africa when the slaves got

sent back to Africa when the slaves got

sent back to Africa when the slaves got there to form the government they took

there to form the government they took

there to form the government they took with them what they have learned here

with them what they have learned here

with them what they have learned here and they were so honored by going back

and they were so honored by going back

and they were so honored by going back to Africa they decided to honor one

to Africa they decided to honor one

to Africa they decided to honor one person they honor your fifth our fifth

person they honor your fifth our fifth

person they honor your fifth our fifth president who was he

president who was he

president who was he Monroe didn’t name that capital city

Monroe didn’t name that capital city

Monroe didn’t name that capital city after Monroe because he was instrumental

after Monroe because he was instrumental

after Monroe because he was instrumental in sending the slaves back to Africa we

in sending the slaves back to Africa we

in sending the slaves back to Africa we have places in Liberia I’m from Maryland

have places in Liberia I’m from Maryland

have places in Liberia I’m from Maryland in Liberia I went to school in Virginia

in Liberia I went to school in Virginia

in Liberia I went to school in Virginia we have Louisiana Georgia Mississippi

we have Louisiana Georgia Mississippi

we have Louisiana Georgia Mississippi those were places the slaves lived and

those were places the slaves lived and

those were places the slaves lived and when they went back didn’t name places

when they went back didn’t name places

when they went back didn’t name places like that but I’m sure what some of you

like that but I’m sure what some of you

like that but I’m sure what some of you have heard of Charles teal and Samuel do

have heard of Charles teal and Samuel do

have heard of Charles teal and Samuel do we when we fled like deer were fled

we when we fled like deer were fled

we when we fled like deer were fled because of one of Africa’s most brutal

because of one of Africa’s most brutal

because of one of Africa’s most brutal civil war when I finally have my wife

civil war when I finally have my wife

civil war when I finally have my wife and I finally fled the country

and I finally fled the country

and I finally fled the country I was 90 pounds she was 87 we were dying

I was 90 pounds she was 87 we were dying

I was 90 pounds she was 87 we were dying of starvation

we’re looking to seek economic wealth we

we’re looking to seek economic wealth we were thinking about terrorism all we

were thinking about terrorism all we

were thinking about terrorism all we were thinking about survival the second

were thinking about survival the second

were thinking about survival the second air country we went to was Ghana who got

air country we went to was Ghana who got

air country we went to was Ghana who got into Ghana my wife said hey I got family

into Ghana my wife said hey I got family

into Ghana my wife said hey I got family in Montana I said where is that she said

in Montana I said where is that she said

in Montana I said where is that she said oh it’s in America I know America know

oh it’s in America I know America know

oh it’s in America I know America know Montana in America she so yes I do and

Montana in America she so yes I do and

Montana in America she so yes I do and she called her my wife was an exchange

she called her my wife was an exchange

she called her my wife was an exchange student and she went to hell in a high

student and she went to hell in a high

student and she went to hell in a high and she lived with her family and she

and she lived with her family and she

and she lived with her family and she called the family out and told them we

called the family out and told them we

called the family out and told them we fled the country and we were in Ghana

fled the country and we were in Ghana

fled the country and we were in Ghana and we were seeking help of course they

and we were seeking help of course they

and we were seeking help of course they were excited we would get you all over

were excited we would get you all over

were excited we would get you all over here soon don’t worry it was easy for my

here soon don’t worry it was easy for my

here soon don’t worry it was easy for my wife because all they did was they went

wife because all they did was they went

wife because all they did was they went to Karen Carroll College awarded her a

to Karen Carroll College awarded her a

to Karen Carroll College awarded her a scholarship to do nursing so boom she

scholarship to do nursing so boom she

scholarship to do nursing so boom she came to Montana not me

came to Montana not me

came to Montana not me I had to go through that process and

I had to go through that process and

I had to go through that process and that process was grueling

that process was grueling

that process was grueling in fact when I got to the fifth step I

in fact when I got to the fifth step I

in fact when I got to the fifth step I called my wife and said I’m done these

called my wife and said I’m done these

called my wife and said I’m done these people will never let me get in don’t

people will never let me get in don’t

people will never let me get in don’t worry about it let’s forget it I’ll stay

worry about it let’s forget it I’ll stay

worry about it let’s forget it I’ll stay here you stay there it’s over and she

here you stay there it’s over and she

here you stay there it’s over and she said she’d give me after I told her such

said she’d give me after I told her such

said she’d give me after I told her such a speech I mean after I made such a

a speech I mean after I made such a

a speech I mean after I made such a speech and told I’m done this she gave

speech and told I’m done this she gave

speech and told I’m done this she gave me one line they know what they’re doing

me one line they know what they’re doing

me one line they know what they’re doing become they know what to do and I’m like

become they know what to do and I’m like

become they know what to do and I’m like what that process took two years and

what that process took two years and

what that process took two years and seven months when I was finally cleared

seven months when I was finally cleared

seven months when I was finally cleared after I went through the border custom

after I went through the border custom

after I went through the border custom targeting center I called them up and

targeting center I called them up and

targeting center I called them up and said I’m coming

said I’m coming

said I’m coming tell me about Montana and my wife’s oh

tell me about Montana and my wife’s oh

tell me about Montana and my wife’s oh it’s nice you’ll love it it’s pretty

it’s nice you’ll love it it’s pretty

it’s nice you’ll love it it’s pretty warm too

warm too

warm too in February so what’s the temperature

in February so what’s the temperature

in February so what’s the temperature she’s always 29 degrees I said but water

she’s always 29 degrees I said but water

she’s always 29 degrees I said but water freezes at 32 so how can it be 29 and

freezes at 32 so how can it be 29 and

freezes at 32 so how can it be 29 and she said but yeah that’s I said no you

she said but yeah that’s I said no you

she said but yeah that’s I said no you don’t understand it

don’t understand it

don’t understand it let me talk to someone who understands

let me talk to someone who understands

let me talk to someone who understands the temperature and she calls her host

the temperature and she calls her host

the temperature and she calls her host mom and she comes home hi how are you

mom and she comes home hi how are you

mom and she comes home hi how are you you’ll soon be here yes I said what’s

you’ll soon be here yes I said what’s

you’ll soon be here yes I said what’s the temperature she said what’s 29 it’s

the temperature she said what’s 29 it’s

the temperature she said what’s 29 it’s very warm today I said what is it when

very warm today I said what is it when

very warm today I said what is it when it’s cold she sold 30 below I said the

it’s cold she sold 30 below I said the

it’s cold she sold 30 below I said the little what she said below zero now

little what she said below zero now

little what she said below zero now imagine I’m coming from a country the

imagine I’m coming from a country the

imagine I’m coming from a country the average temperature is 80 degrees and

average temperature is 80 degrees and

average temperature is 80 degrees and they’re telling me it’s warm at 29

they’re telling me it’s warm at 29

they’re telling me it’s warm at 29 it gives cold at 30 below and I went

it gives cold at 30 below and I went

it gives cold at 30 below and I went through that Cultural Center and it

through that Cultural Center and it

through that Cultural Center and it never told me about that so the crazy

never told me about that so the crazy

never told me about that so the crazy thing I had a sister here and I called

thing I had a sister here and I called

thing I had a sister here and I called her and told her I’m coming to America

her and told her I’m coming to America

her and told her I’m coming to America she said okay I’ll meet you at JFK

she said okay I’ll meet you at JFK

she said okay I’ll meet you at JFK whatever I bring you wear it all you’re

whatever I bring you wear it all you’re

whatever I bring you wear it all you’re going to Montana you wear it okay she

going to Montana you wear it okay she

going to Montana you wear it okay she brought two sets of long johns a

brought two sets of long johns a

brought two sets of long johns a turtleneck went to jacket everything

turtleneck went to jacket everything

turtleneck went to jacket everything what she didn’t tell me I had to go

what she didn’t tell me I had to go

what she didn’t tell me I had to go through the airports I had to be on the

through the airports I had to be on the

through the airports I had to be on the plane and everything that night I put on

plane and everything that night I put on

plane and everything that night I put on two sets so I mean I’m morning put on

two sets so I mean I’m morning put on

two sets so I mean I’m morning put on two sets of Long John put on my

two sets of Long John put on my

two sets of Long John put on my turtleneck put on the vest and then I

turtleneck put on the vest and then I

turtleneck put on the vest and then I got on the plane and I’m the only one

got on the plane and I’m the only one

got on the plane and I’m the only one sweating I am the only one sweating and

sweating I am the only one sweating and

sweating I am the only one sweating and the guy next to me it’s looking at me

the guy next to me it’s looking at me

the guy next to me it’s looking at me like what the heck is going on so of

like what the heck is going on so of

like what the heck is going on so of course I took off my first layer

Koff ii and he turned how many laters

Koff ii and he turned how many laters are you wearing you don’t want to know

are you wearing you don’t want to know

are you wearing you don’t want to know man and then I when we were landing

man and then I when we were landing

man and then I when we were landing descending into Helena the pilot said is

descending into Helena the pilot said is

descending into Helena the pilot said is sunny and warm at 32 degrees I’m like

sunny and warm at 32 degrees I’m like

sunny and warm at 32 degrees I’m like these guys are crazily in this place

these guys are crazily in this place

these guys are crazily in this place what piqued my interest most was the

what piqued my interest most was the

what piqued my interest most was the fact when I got down

fact when I got down

fact when I got down I actually saw people in shorts at 32

I actually saw people in shorts at 32

I actually saw people in shorts at 32 degrees people were wearing shorts

ladies and gentlemen the process we have

ladies and gentlemen the process we have in place works the process we have in

in place works the process we have in

in place works the process we have in place is extreme it took me 2 years or 7

place is extreme it took me 2 years or 7

place is extreme it took me 2 years or 7 months it took the other guy 17 years

months it took the other guy 17 years

months it took the other guy 17 years and there isn’t any evidence of

and there isn’t any evidence of

and there isn’t any evidence of terrorism from refugees you make your

terrorism from refugees you make your

terrorism from refugees you make your own conclusions

own conclusions

own conclusions thanks for having

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